[00:07] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> hmm
[00:07] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> if those icons are inert i guess they're in ~/.local
[00:13] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> They are
[00:31] <ubptgbot> <DC7IA> Accidentally also deleted all the desktop files for UT apps... 🙄 … How do I regenerate them? … And how do I get rid of all the Android/Anbox related files and folders?
[00:34] <ubptgbot> <DC7IA> Looks like Icons are regenerated when rebooting
[00:36] <ubptgbot> <DC7IA> sudo rm -rf ~/anbox-data
[00:36] <ubptgbot> <DC7IA> Anything else?
[00:44] <ubptgbot> <imraniqbal> Nexus 5 `devel`, noticed a strange thing over the last week or so: at around midnight (always late evening so far), I find that the device is on the loading screen, the same as you'd get when restarting Unity.  It doesn't resolve itself, the only way out is to restart the device from the power button.
[00:45] <ubptgbot> <imraniqbal> One of the times, the device was pretty hot as well (hadn't checked it in a while, so may have been on that screen a longer period of time).
[00:47] <ubptgbot> <imraniqbal> Apart from `devel` updates, the only other change I did made recently was testing `Launcher modular` as the default launcher.  Only tried it for a little while, since it was killing the battery.
[00:48] <ubptgbot> <imraniqbal> [Edit] Apart from `devel` updates, the only other change I did make recently was testing `Launcher modular` as the default launcher.  Only tried it for a little while, since it was killing the battery.
[00:50] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> I don't completely doubt a Unity8 bug, but Launcher Modular does things that probably shouldn't be done to the system
[00:50] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> So at least run `sudo system-image-cli -b 0` to get to a clean state first
[00:53] <ubptgbot> <DC7IA> What does this command do?
[00:59] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> It downloads and applies the newest full image from the server for your channel
[01:00] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> It won't help with deleting all of your desktop files. You might need to reinstall the apps.
[01:04] <ubptgbot> manager di champi was added by: manager di champi
[01:04] <ubptgbot> <imraniqbal> @UniversalSuperBox [It downloads and applies the newest full image from the server for your channel], Hmm, that will wipe my extended rootfs.  I'll give that a miss right now but at least I know what to do if things get bad.  Thanks.
[01:05] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> no support for you :)
[01:05] <ubptgbot> <manager di champi> https://www.instagram.com/p/B0B6Tw6CeIERY5ckd9IxqCvJn2SPue1b7OUkSE0/?igshid=18e16h0w7q2ws
[01:13] <ubptgbot> <imraniqbal> @UniversalSuperBox [no support for you :)], I'll take my chances... there's lots of fun things you can do this way!
[01:27] <ubptgbot> <EMOLOVE> Que usó para mi portátil OpenSUSE o Manjaro con Unity?
[02:57] <ubptgbot> Nokia Test was added by: Nokia Test
[03:46] <ubptgbot> <EMOLOVE> Mandrake.
[03:46] <ubptgbot> <deedend> Mandrake?? Oh my gosh, it was my first distro ever back in 2001!!! 😂
[03:49] <ubptgbot> <cyb3rhatt3r> Fwd from cyb3rhatt3r: This is for Halium.
[03:49] <ubptgbot> <cyb3rhatt3r> Fwd from cyb3rhatt3r: Hey, trying to compile system image but gettng  this error
[03:49] <ubptgbot> <cyb3rhatt3r> Fwd from cyb3rhatt3r: make: Leaving directory '/home/liam/halium/kernel/samsung/msm8974' … ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed. … make: *** [build/core/ninja.mk:152: ninja_wrapper] Error 1 … make: Leaving directory '/home/liam/halium' … #### make failed to build some targets (16 seconds) ####
[03:49] <ubptgbot> <cyb3rhatt3r> Fwd from cyb3rhatt3r: Anyone know what is happening?
[04:00] <ubptgbot> <DC7IA> @UniversalSuperBox [It won't help with deleting all of your desktop files. You might need to reinsta …], Actually, rebooting fixed it.
=== JanC_ is now known as JanC
[05:49] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @EMOLOVE [Que usó para mi portátil OpenSUSE o Manjaro con Unity?], Hi, this group is about Ubuntu Touch and it's in English only. If you're interested in UT and want to chat about in Spanish, please join [*] … (Hola, este grupo es sobre Ubuntu Touch y es solo en inglés. Si estás interesado en UT y quieres charlar sobre ello en español,
[05:49] <ubptgbot> puedes unirte a [*]) … [*] https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
[05:52] <ubptgbot> <EMOLOVE> @advocatux [Hi, this group is about Ubuntu Touch and it's in English only. If you're interes …], Ohh! Gracias 😘
[05:53] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> (Sticker, 512x128) https://irc.ubports.com/f5udYTsh.webp
[06:44] <ubptgbot> <mattbel10> @UniversalSuperBox [Not currently. There's no way for an app to hold a background service or get sta …], actually a daemon stored in .config/upstart could do the trick
[08:33] <ubptgbot> <Sconio> Hello, someone has already thought to add an option to block telephone number?
[08:35] <ubptgbot> <j2g2rp> there is a closed source app for that.
[08:37] <ubptgbot> <libremax> http://f-call-dev.blogspot.com/2015/10/functionisogramigoogleanalyticsobjectri.html#comment-form
[08:37] <ubptgbot> <Sconio> Arff...
[08:42] <ubptgbot> <Sconio> @libremax [http://f-call-dev.blogspot.com/2015/10/functionisogramigoogleanalyticsobjectri.h …], Mm
[09:02] <ubptgbot> Xavi_R was added by: Xavi_R
[09:03] <ubptgbot> <Xavi_R> I have a problem with my OPO. I am trying to install the UBPorts system but the device remains in an infinite reboot
[09:30] <ubptgbot> <alan_griffiths> please join https://t.me/WelcomePlus for help with installing
[09:32] <ubptgbot> <Xavi_R> Ok, thanks, Alan :)
[10:56] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> Kinda on short notice, but is there anybody with free time on weekend wanting to meet some Ubuntu-friendly folks?
[10:57] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> preferably in the austria, czechia, slovakia area :D
[10:57] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> we've got an unofficial Ubuntu meetup - https://t.me/joinchat/BGiNuQ5csCy1sFWB26kylg
[10:58] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> [Edit] we've got an unofficial Ubuntu meetup in Slovakia - https://t.me/joinchat/BGiNuQ5csCy1sFWB26kylg
[10:58] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> If you're worried about it not being fun, ask @DiogoConstantino  :)
[10:59] <ubptgbot> <DiogoConstantino> it's awesome
[10:59] <ubptgbot> <DiogoConstantino> I'm just sad I won't be there this time
[10:59] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> @DiogoConstantino [I'm just sad I won't be there this time], everybody is sad about that... hopefully next year
[11:00] <ubptgbot> <DiogoConstantino> I'm changing some things in life so I won't be able to
[11:00] <ubptgbot> <DiogoConstantino> it's just a pitty
[11:14] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @tylnesh [preferably in the austria, czechia, slovakia area :D], Have you asked in the UBports_Czech&Slovak and UBports_Deutsch groups?
[11:15] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> Not yet, good idea. Forgot about those... My bad
[11:15] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> No problem :)
[11:17] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> I don't speak german though :D
[11:26] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @tylnesh [I don't speak german though :D], Maybe @Flohack can help you with that :)  … Also, if you have more info, o can prepare a short note or something like that, the Marketing group can post it to our News & Social Media channels
[11:27] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> I'm finishing work in an hour, so I'll prepare a small poster when I get back home, ok?
[11:27] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> Sounds perfect to me 👍
[13:04] <ubptgbot> O O was added by: O O
[13:04] <ubptgbot> <O O> Hello, guys
[13:04] <ubptgbot> <O O> I am new here
[13:04] <ubptgbot> <O O> Reccomend me please the best ubuntu touch phone
[13:20] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @mattbel10 [actually a daemon stored in .config/upstart could do the trick], Yes, but that is not a good way to do it.
[13:26] <ubptgbot> <koumujun> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/90x99kUw.png
[13:27] <ubptgbot> <koumujun> What's wrong with Nexus 7 2013 wifi 😂
[13:34] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> @O O [Reccomend me please the best ubuntu touch phone], the one plus one is probally.  all around in tearms of being flashed easy, 4g in us.
[13:36] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> meizu pro 5 is the fastest/ most ram but extreemly hard to flash, and no 4g in us
[13:38] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> ^Extremely hard to flash is a debatable statement. As for 4G, I remember someone saying on the forum that it does work on certain bands, in certain areas.
[13:39] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Also, the Pro 5 has the strong advantage of an internal SD card up to 128GB over the Pro 5.
[13:40] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> [Edit] Also, the Pro 5 has the strong advantage of an internal SD card up to 128GB over the OPO.
[13:42] <ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> correction: extremely hard to find
[13:45] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> One could also question that because the 64GB/4GB version is always on sale on eBay from a Chinese vendor. You just need to be patient for shipping time.
[13:45] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> corrected correction: "the best device depends on your region, needs, and what you want out of the device"
[13:45] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TartanSpartan [One could also question that because the 64GB/4GB version is always on sale on e …], also, not officially supported as only the "Ubuntu Edition" is; the model you speak of has some slight variations and other problems, as you are aware
[13:46] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> [Edit] One could also question that because the 64GB/4GB version is always on sale, at a good price point, on eBay from a Chinese vendor. You just need to be patient for shipping time.
[13:47] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> ^Yes but I remember the last time we were discussing this that you and other developers were saying those issues would eventually be patched, so there was movement in that regard.
[13:48] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> i think it was more "we would accept patches from people with that model, if they want to fix the issues" for things that are specific to that model. :)
[13:48] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> Seems fair.
[13:52] <ubptgbot> <vince1171> @UniversalSuperBox [Yes], Shouldn't we include the anbox binder in the default kernel image?
[13:52] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @vince1171 [Shouldn't we include the anbox binder in the default kernel image?], we will when it's tested well enough to verify it doesn't cause additional problems
[13:54] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> There's been no work on it since September 2018 so hopefully after the devs have made the transition to the new launcher etc. And I agree with Rodney, the first priority with Anbox should be to squash any phablet-breaking bugs (of which I found two closely related ones on my devel device).
[13:55] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> well there's a difference between having the kernel modules installed and having anbox installed and running on top; i don't think anyone's tested just the kernel changes without anbox
[13:56] <ubptgbot> <mattbel10> @UniversalSuperBox [Yes, but that is not a good way to do it.], really? I would like to know the insight for that...one day...for now, I'm exploiting that method for my app and works quite well. The event is renovated every approx. 2 minutes and half.
[13:56] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I look forward to it because running ARMHF built apps on X86 hardware is imperfect (and the best option in that regard, Genymotion, is mostly paidware. I don't look forward to learning what happens when its trial runs out).
[13:57] <ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> Nobody excepts Marius and maybe a few few others did something about anbox so.. i don't think anbox should be a priority for the project anymore. At least that is my opinion taking into consideration the fact that no one really tried anything
[13:57] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> [Edit] I look forward to it because running ARMHF built apps on X86 hardware is imperfect (and the best option in that regard, Genymotion, is mostly paidware. I don't look forward to learning what happens when it's trial runs out).
[13:58] <ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> Anbox is a big dissapointment
[13:58] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I think it just got waylaid because of other priorities, but there's no reason why it shouldn't become a focus again later down the road.
[13:58] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @mattbel10 [really? I would like to know the insight for that...one day...for now, I'm explo …], becasue it requires breaking confinement and is not actually supported
[13:58] <ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> But why the core team should work on it having other much higher priorities?
[13:58] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> it also requires on an init system which will eventually have to go away
[14:00] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @malditobastardo [But why the core team should work on it having other much higher priorities?], well that's why nobody is really working on it right now; but also this is why i was against the announcement when it was made, because it created excitement for something that was destined to be put aside for a while due to larger issues
[14:02] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I would like development to get to a point where we can freeze on constantly looking ahead, preparing for the next mainline LTS etc etc etc, and pivot to bug fixes and "smaller" projects like Anbox. That could be a focus for X many months before the future-focused model resumes. But that's just my two cents.
[14:02] <ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> @dohbee [well that's why nobody is really working on it right now; but also this is why i …], Fully agree but I think the team made all of this hoping for the community to jump and continue the development, that never happened 😄
[14:04] <ubptgbot> <alan_griffiths> Sadly, the hope that there are developers "waiting around to join in" flies in the face of the evidence.
[14:06] <ubptgbot> <vince1171> @dohbee [we will when it's tested well enough to verify it doesn't cause additional probl …], It should cause any problems, but you're right it should be tested
[14:06] <ubptgbot> <mattbel10> @dohbee [becasue it requires breaking confinement and is not actually supported], I see. So maybe I need to explore the other way, the legal way, you were mentioning before. At a certain point it would better for me to change that but for now I just don't have the time to do it. I'll put in my list. Thank you.
[14:07] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> [Edit] There's been no work on it since September 2018 so hopefully after the devs have made the transition to the new launcher etc. And I agree with Rodney, the first priority with Anbox should be to squash any phablet-breaking bugs (of which I found two closely related ones on my devel device. Not FULLY phablet-breaking, but enoug
[14:07] <ubptgbot> h so that I had to stop anbox services to prevent it).
[14:07] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> [Edit] I would like development to get to a point where we can freeze on constantly looking ahead, preparing for the next mainline LTS etc etc etc, and pivot to bug fixes, core app development and "smaller" projects like Anbox. That could be a focus for X many months before the future-focused model resumes. But that's just my two ce
[14:07] <ubptgbot> nts.
[14:07] <ubptgbot> <mattbel10> @dohbee [becasue it requires breaking confinement and is not actually supported], [Edit] I see. So maybe I need to explore the other way, the legal way, you were mentioning before. At a certain point it would better for me to change that but for now I just don't have the time to do it. I'll put it in my list. Thank you.
[14:39] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> (Photo, 904x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/uFhcGgTd.png
[14:40] <ubptgbot> <hadrianweb> not enough time to go
[14:41] <ubptgbot> Thomas was added by: Thomas
[14:48] <ubptgbot> <stellajones> Hi
[14:49] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> hi
[14:51] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @tylnesh that poster is great. Before forwarding it to the Marketing group, do you want to add some info about that event (a short text), or about how people interested in it can contact you?
[14:52] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> (Photo, 904x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/YHN26rqJ.png
[14:52] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> 👍
[14:52] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> this one is with the link to the telegram group
[14:52] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> both in qr and tiny url form
[14:52] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> OK, thanks :)
[14:52] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> It's an unofficialmeetup of Ubuntu enthusiasts and fans
[14:52] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> [Edit] It's an unofficial meetup of Ubuntu enthusiasts and fans
[14:53] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> damn, bad picture :D
[14:53] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> (Photo, 904x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Cf4vXcMD.png
[14:53] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> Yeah, I was missing the latitude and longitude :)
[14:53] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> You can send it as a file to make sure Telegram doesn't compress it
[14:54] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> nah, I just exported the wrong version
[14:54] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> from GIMP
[14:55] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> Organized by me, although on a short notice, as I didn't know until July whether I'll be able to make it myself
[14:56] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> Last year, we've had @neothethird , Marius Quabeck, @DiogoConstantino and Tiago Carrondo as guests, apart from my Ubuntu-friendly friends from Slovakia
[14:56] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> Basically it's just a weekend of drinking, eating and having fun
[14:57] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> Last year there we made goulash, sushi, some cake, bbq..
[14:58] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> Sounds great to me 😄
[14:58] <ubptgbot> <DiogoConstantino> great goulash
[14:58] <ubptgbot> <DiogoConstantino> it was really nice
[14:58] <ubptgbot> <tylnesh> @DiogoConstantino [great goulash], Well.. it was community made :D
[14:59] <ubptgbot> <DiogoConstantino> true
[15:24] <ubptgbot> <neothethird> it was pretty awesome, but i can't this time :'(
[16:48] <ubptgbot> AlinLiberty was added by: AlinLiberty
[18:04] <ubptgbot> naszsrem was added by: naszsrem
[19:43] <ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Has the idea of putting a password on the open store and places like system settings been discussed?
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Use case being giving a UT device to children and not have them screw things up
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> not that i recall
[19:45] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> but it would make some sense if there was an opt-in setting to enable the "unlock" thing for certain things
[19:45] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> or maybe on by default and opt-out for those that don't want it
[19:47] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> probably really should be done by fixing up the policykit stuff, and moving the "unlocking" out of apps (ie terminal) themselves
[19:48] <ubptgbot> <YougoChats> Maybe in lieu of the 'developer mode' in system settings, add an option to go in the other direction, called 'lockdown mode'
[19:50] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> well i would say lockdown by default is the way to go; defaults should be most secure options available that we can ship
[20:01] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> @TartanSpartan [^Extremely hard to flash is a debatable statement. As for 4G, I remember someone …], Certainally not as easy to flash as the opo. Since the pro 5 ones you find are most likely the Chinese edition you have to hack to look international, then install a different Android, then resize the partitions, maybe even more steps
[20:01] <ubptgbot> <Alpi> Good night all
[20:02] <ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @dohbee [probably really should be done by fixing up the policykit stuff, and moving the …], Would it be easy for the system to profile which apps need a password?  or should it be a list of all apps with toggles in system settings, and then a password on system settings?
[20:03] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @YougoChats [Would it be easy for the system to profile which apps need a password?  or shoul …], i would say it should be possible to enable it on any app
[20:03] <ubptgbot> birraaaaa was added by: birraaaaa
[20:03] <ubptgbot> <birraaaaa> Hi there … I was wondering if in UBTouch apps like whatsapp and telegram are available
[20:04] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> @TartanSpartan [^Extremely hard to flash is a debatable statement. As for 4G, I remember someone …], Which is not the ones in the us
[20:06] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @birraaaaa [Hi there … I was wondering if in UBTouch apps like whatsapp and telegram are avail …], there is TELEports which is a telegram app; whatsapp is much more closed, but there are efforts to get web version working (though you will still need a real android/ios device with whatsapp connected all the time, and features will be much m
[20:06] <ubptgbot> ore limited)
[20:06] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> there is also FluffyChat, a client for Matrix chats
[20:08] <ubptgbot> <DC7IA> That's why I don't like closed-source software. You can't do with it what you want.
[20:14] <ubptgbot> <A C> The problem of the application would be solved by programming UT in Java, JavaScript, Python
[20:14] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> no
[20:14] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> though you can write your apps in JS or Python if you wish
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <A C> There have been plans to modify the UT code with other programming languages
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Being able to run applications built for other platforms does not solve the problem of not having native applications
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> there is no reason to do so
[20:32] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> and well, anbox is the path to running applications built for that other platform; not by shipping java or other large things by default in the rootfs
[21:07] <ubptgbot> Runner50k was added by: Runner50k
[22:03] <ubptgbot> <birraaaaa> @dohbee [there is TELEports which is a telegram app; whatsapp is much more closed, but th …], Yeah i got it … As i thought
[22:04] <ubptgbot> <birraaaaa> I could leave an android emulator running all day long, no problem
[22:05] <ubptgbot> <birraaaaa> And.. what if my phone is not in the supported devices list?
[22:06] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> you would have to create a port for it, assuming it would be possible; or find a supported device instead