[07:17] <enyc> valorie: but, I don't see why this change-of-version mention notification is appearing at all
[07:17] <enyc> This case, could do with somebody from ubuntu to maintain...
[07:26] <enyc> would make a lot of sense to move 5.2.x version up, without the jump to 6.0.x   ,  needed for newer kernel nad a pile of other bugfixes
[07:42] <LocutusOfBorg> enyc, do you want to test virtualbox?
[07:42] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/%7Ecostamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+delete-packages
[07:42] <LocutusOfBorg> here you are
[07:42] <LocutusOfBorg> enyc, you can talk with me wrt virtualbox, but please move to #-devel
[07:43] <LocutusOfBorg> anyway, I uploaded yesterday the new 5.2.32 in the archive, but needs to be approved by an archive admin. You can test it and help with you testing on bug: #1835576 if you want it to eventually reach the archive
[07:44] <enyc> LocutusOfBorg: aha well i don't know where i'm going you see... nor do i know _WHY_ these messages appear in -release channel if nobody in ubuntu maintaining apparently
[07:44] <LocutusOfBorg> enyc, why should myself being considered "nobody"?
[07:44] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[07:45] <enyc> LocutusOfBorg: ys read your second message ;p
[07:45] <enyc> LocutusOfBorg: but thats contrary to somebody elses comment which is why confused
[07:45] <LocutusOfBorg> no enyc "enyc: that means that no flavor of ubuntu maintains that package"
[07:45] <LocutusOfBorg> no packageset means: "it is not included on any ubuntu flavour ISO"
[07:46] <LocutusOfBorg> so if you donwload the iso of whichever ubuntu-* you won't have it installed, but it is maintained in the archive, for people who manually install it
[07:47] <enyc> aah, undestand packageset now
[07:48] <LocutusOfBorg> if you want to help maintaining it, please move on #ubuntu-devel, but for now, since the work is already done, testing is needed and appreciated a lot
[07:49] <Ukikie> There's some packagesets unrelated to being shipped on the ISO.
[07:58] <enyc> LocutusOfBorg: I've idefintied with nitckeserv, but not sure if you can see me writing in #ubuntu-devel
[08:21] <tkamppeter> sil21000, it is about the Bionic SRU for network-manager, bug 1754671, due to regressions the SRU was withdrawn from -updates, but the reporters of the regressions do not provide the info which I have asked them for and so I got stuck with them. As there are not many regression reports (3, no duplicates) I asked bdmurray on Tuesday whether one could roll out the SRU anyway and he told not to do so and asked me to ask for hel
[08:21] <tkamppeter> p on mailing lists (ubuntu-quality and canonical-tech) and I got no answer there so far.
[08:23] <tkamppeter> sil2100, there is also now a comment of the original poster of bug 1754671 that he is eagerly waiting for the SRU as it is fixing his problem.
[08:24] <infinity> tkamppeter: So you're hoping another member of the team will give you a different answer because you didn't like the first one?
[08:29] <tkamppeter> infinity, not really, probably I am simply out of ideas because I get no feedback from bug reporters and also no answers on mailing lists.
[08:37] <infinity> tkamppeter: I'm not sure what feedback you're hoping to get that wil resolve this.  On LP: #1829566, it ends with asking them to use a different config.  On other bugs, the claim is that things work, *if* they set a few new config options.  Neither of those is acceptable for an SRU, IMO.
[08:37] <infinity> Making people change their configs to avoid regression *is* a regression.
[08:38] <infinity> Even the guy asking for the SRU to be released is someone who had to change his configs to accomodate the SRU.
[08:38] <infinity> He just now seems to be stuck in a weird spot where he can't seem to use the old package anymore (likely due to automating the new configs eveywhere).
[08:40] <RikMills> sil2100: thank you for plasma SRU :)
[09:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected mesa [source] (bionic-proposed) [19.0.8-0ubuntu0~18.04.1]
[09:26] <tkamppeter> seb128, WDYT about perhaps replace the NM SRU for Bionic by the original NM with selected patches?
[09:27] <seb128> tkamppeter, -1 from we, the new version includes security fixes and improvements customers asked for, we need to sort out the regressions and move forward
[09:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debian-installer (bionic-proposed/main) [20101020ubuntu543.8 => 20101020ubuntu543.9] (core)
[09:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debian-installer [source] (bionic-proposed) [20101020ubuntu543.9]
[09:53] <sil2100> tkamppeter: hey! I would have to read up and get more context on this, but so far I must say that I do agree with infinity here - of course it all depends on how big of an impact the changes have, but for a big package like this it feels bad
[09:53] <sil2100> RikMills: yw!
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[14:13] <seb128> tjaalton, bug #1836721 , I'm not sure it's the best plan of action to handle a SRU-in-update regression that let users wtihout a working graphical session with a new version update
[14:13] <seb128> imho we should fast track the regression fix through (and maybe delete the current version from bionic-updates meanwhile)
[14:13] <seb128> ^ SRU team, opinions?
[14:14] <tjaalton> 19.0.8 fixes at least two other regressions
[14:15] <tjaalton> and it sat on the queue for two weeks
[14:15] <seb128> k, then should we delete the current SRU meanwhile at least? sounds like it has a least 3 regressions so it would probably be best off updates?
[14:15] <seb128> what that on the queue?
[14:15] <tjaalton> 19.0.8
[14:16] <seb128> when we knew it was fixing regressions that happened in a LTS update?
[14:17] <tjaalton> no, these were new
[14:17] <tjaalton> I uploaded it when 19.0.2 was moved to updates
[14:17] <seb128> you should directly ping SRU-reviewer-of-duty when you have a priority upload
[14:17] <seb128> k
[14:17] <seb128> well anyway it sounds like we have an annoying -updates regression if some users are left without a session
[14:17] <seb128> so we should do something about it now
[14:18] <tjaalton> and I have uploaded 19.0.8 plus that revert for bionic, dropped the old upload
[14:18] <seb128> k
[14:18] <tjaalton> no-one complained that meson build dropped symbols from libosmesa, until it hit the lts
[14:18] <seb128> well let's see when some other SRU team members are around to discuss the best thing to do
[14:19] <tjaalton> I pinged RAOF but it was past his EOD already
[14:19] <seb128> yeah, non LTS don't have as many users...
[14:19] <tjaalton> I was off the last week
[14:19] <seb128> right
[14:20] <tjaalton> anyway, my wish was to push the last point release of the series (19.0.8) to proposed first before moving anything to updates, but I lost ;)
[14:20] <tjaalton> that wouldn't have caught the 32bit regression though
[14:22] <seb128> well, you could have verification-failed the previous SRU to block it
[14:22] <seb128> that's a wish easy to get :)
[14:22] <tjaalton> withouth knowing it had any regressions?
[14:22] <tjaalton> -h
[14:22] <tjaalton> there were none filed while it was in proposed for six weeks
[14:22] <seb128> "my wish was to push the last point release of the series (19.0.8) to proposed first before moving anything to updates"
[14:22] <seb128> maybe I misread that
[14:22] <tjaalton> yes, and I was overruled
[14:23] <seb128> ah ok
[14:23] <seb128> oh well
[14:23] <seb128> We are not going to change the past now, let's focus on what we do next
[14:24] <seb128> bdmurray, apw, vorlon, ^ any opinion on what to do there?
[14:24] <tjaalton> I can upload a fix with just the revert too, and fast-track that asap
[14:24] <seb128> let's wait if any of the pinged people is around and want to comment
[14:24] <tjaalton> and then let the new upstream fix virgl, libosmesa etc
[14:28] <tjaalton> I'll check back later, now afk for a bit
[14:29]  * apw tries to understand the question ..
[14:30] <apw> do we have fixes for the reported regressions?  if so if we coudl get an upload with just those on top; that would seems like a quick to test/release combo ?
[14:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.4.0-156.183]
[14:37] <seb128> apw, from what I understood the 32bits regression has an understood "restore a patch that got dropped too early" fix but what is the queue is also a stable version update fixing some other regressions
[14:38] <seb128> apw, also do you think we should remove/block the current version from -updates meanwhile?
[14:38] <apw> seb128, potentially, it is rather drastic to rip it out
[14:39] <apw> seb128, i assume we would have to put the older one back in the short term
[14:39] <apw> knowing that would not help people already affected
[14:39] <seb128> right, best way out is to land a fixed version asap
[14:39] <apw> tjaalton, of the three regressions is hte revert one the only one which causes headless-ness ?
[14:40] <apw> if so we should rip the current one out of propsoed, and throw the revert only in there
[14:43] <apw> test it and get it out asap
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[15:37] <tjaalton> apw: yes
[15:38] <tjaalton> there's no version in proposed atm
[15:38] <tjaalton> but on the queue for disco/bionic
[15:40] <apw> tjaalton, is that one useful for this, or something more significant
[15:41] <tjaalton> apw: it's a new point-release as well
[15:41] <tjaalton> bionic has 19.0.2 plus a patch from 19.0.4
[15:44] <tjaalton> I can upload 19.0.2-1ubuntu1.1~18.04.2 with just the revert
[15:45] <tjaalton> but would like to land 19.0.8 with better ice lake support soon
[15:45] <tjaalton> (icl support as a patch of several cherry-picks from upstream)
[15:50] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, hello, can you please hint ddcci-driver-linux/all/s390x? LP: #1837073
[15:52] <tjaalton> apw, seb128: I've uploaded mesa_19.0.2-1ubuntu1.1~18.04.2 to the queue
[15:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mesa (bionic-proposed/main) [19.0.2-1ubuntu1.1~18.04.1 => 19.0.2-1ubuntu1.1~18.04.2] (core, xorg)
[15:53] <tjaalton> whichever is chosen, the other one should be dropped
[16:11]  * RAOF is just finishing two weeks of holiday, so pinging someone else will get a quicker response.
[16:19] <apw> tjaalton, i assume the safest is to take the newer one, then the moral equivalent of the previous one
[16:36] <tjaalton> RAOF: sorry, had no idea :)
[16:38] <tjaalton> apw: safest yes, it's a oneliner which was there for five months in the previous version
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[16:53] <Laney> that is replacing something already in the queue
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[17:48] <RikMills> Hi, could baloo please be removed fron Eoan. LP: #1837093
[17:53] <RikMills> oh, and remove kate4 as well LP: #1837096
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[18:57] <vorlon> teward: I'm not thrilled with the 'N/A' test case on LP: #1836366.  It's true that regressions might've been introduced the next time nginx was rebuild in bionic for some other reason, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have tests to verify that nginx actually works with openssl following the rebuild
[19:22] <vorlon> RikMills: kate4 should be removed from Debian first (at least from unstable), currently there's only a wishlist bug (874932) and if I remove it now from eoan, a newer version will just be synced
[19:24] <ahasenack> teward: vorlon: maybe a "nmap -Pn --script ssl-enum-ciphers -p <port> <host>" run before and after and compare the results?
[19:24] <ahasenack> (for nginx)
[19:24] <vorlon> that would be a very shallow unit test
[19:24] <vorlon> maybe we're confident that the autopkgtests exercise nginx ssl enough to not need anything else
[19:24] <vorlon> but in that case the bug should say that
[19:25] <teward> vorlon: To do that I'd have to ship a dummy cert with the test
[19:25] <teward> the autopkgtest envs don't have enough entropy go generate the ssl-cert certs it seems
[19:25] <teward> AND it'd have to ship a custom configuration to do that
[19:25] <teward> this said
[19:25] <teward> we already KNOW TLS 1.3 works with the package
[19:25] <vorlon> and also that doesn't account for why the nginx autopkgtests pass fine but LP: #1833476 is reported
[19:25] <teward> this is simply to let us *control* it
[19:26] <vorlon> teward: ah right
[19:26] <teward> vorlon: I tried replicating those tests even on Eoan
[19:26] <vorlon> don't have enough entropy> where/when was that determination made? we have plenty of packages that are using entropy at autopkgtest time
[19:26] <teward> and an upstream from-source build
[19:26] <teward> it still failed
[19:26] <teward> vorlon: well the second consideration is
[19:26] <teward> we don't *ship* SSL enabled, we could write a test to do an SSL test but an nmap or a cipher enumeration wouldn't help
[19:27] <teward> TLS1.3 *works* it's the nonenabled tests that're the tricky part
[19:27] <teward> which according to upstream to let us control 1.3 and let it be 'disabled' or set ciphers it needs to build against 1.3
[19:27] <vorlon> I hope you can appreciate that none of this is giving me any more warm fuzzies than I already had
[19:27] <ahasenack> :)
[19:27] <teward> vorlon: i haven't had any warm fuzzies about this eiter
[19:27] <teward> either*
[19:27] <teward> especially when I learned that -securtiy doesn't ship 1.1.1 even
[19:28] <teward> which means that Bionic is 'diverged' in SSL support
[19:28] <teward> i know WHY security doesn't ship it
[19:28] <teward> but until it's shipped in -security we're in a diverged repository state
[19:28] <vorlon> it basically tells me that if there are any ssl-related regressions introduced as a result of a rebuild, we are confident that the autopkgtests /won't/ catch them because none of the autopkgtests test ssl
[19:28] <teward> vorlon: let me propose an alternative consideration:
[19:28] <teward> if TLS1.3 is "always on" currently
[19:28] <teward> as it is
[19:29] <teward> wouldn't the SSL 'regressions' have already been caught with 1.3 support?
[19:29] <teward> because CURRENTLY the case is 1.3 is already by-default enabled the way OpenSSL is in-built configured
[19:29] <teward> the tests we NEED to run are to make sure of the following:
[19:29] <teward> (1) that if we don't specify TLS1.3 in the ssl_protocols line that it doesn't enable TLS1.3
[19:30] <teward> (2) that if we do specify TLS1.3 in the ssl_protocols line but selectively choose TLS 1.3 ciphers in ssl_ciphers it honors the cipherstring we provide
[19:30] <teward> neither option tests for TLS1.3 *regressions* already introduced by OpenSSL which has been in the repos AND had TLS1.3 for nginx, etc. enabled out of the box already
[19:30] <teward> because CURRENTLY TLS1.3 is already enabled
[19:30] <teward> so testing to make sure TLS1.3 "works" is a moot point
[19:31] <teward> the moment anyone pulls a libssl update in it enables TLS1.3
[19:31] <ahasenack> we have had regressions in tls 1.2 in other packages due to openssl 1.1.1, fwiw
[19:31] <teward> postfix, nginx, apache2, etc.
[19:31] <teward> ahasenack: then I think we need to be clear on *what* exactly we're testing in terms of regressions
[19:31] <teward> ahasenack: vorlon: the nginx test suites I don't think were written against OpenSSL 1.1.1
[19:31] <teward> any failures there can be considered an openssl related one based on the SSL bits that've failed
[19:32] <teward> if I pull from *upstream* sources I get the same problem on an 18.04 env.
[19:32] <vorlon> teward: all of this assumes that the only changes in openssl 1.1.1 headers that nginx is sensitive to are the bits needed for controlling tls1.3 protocol / cipher negotiation.  Is there an informed basis for assuming that?
[19:33] <teward> vorlon: this is based on the trac bug I linked
[19:33] <teward> whereby it can't control TLS1.3 without relying on the relevant constants
[19:33] <teward> which it needs to build against to know the constants
[19:33] <vorlon> no
[19:33] <teward> vorlon: i have no other basis for the rest
[19:33] <teward> but i have a question
[19:34] <teward> which releases have had TLS1.3 by default in the development branches?
[19:34] <vorlon> that answers why it /does/ change behavior on a rebuild; it does not confirm that there are no /other/ behavior changes we need to pay attention to
[19:34] <teward> vorlon: then NACK this
[19:34] <teward> but consider we're going to have this problem when:
[19:35] <teward> (1) -security gets 1.1.1.
[19:35] <teward> (2) -security ends up pushing any changes that patch and rebuild against 1.1.1
[19:35] <vorlon> I am not arguing that this SRU should be thrown out
[19:35] <vorlon> I am arguing that the SRU needs to be more rigorous
[19:36] <teward> vorlon: not disagreeing, but also not in a place at the moment where I can dig for additional TLS1.3 headaches.
[19:36] <vorlon> and I would never accept an SRU that had "N/A" as the test case
[19:36]  * teward is currently busy dealing with dependency hell on an 16.04 box
[19:36] <vorlon> ok, understood
[19:36] <teward> vorlon: i think we ALSO need to be careful here going forward then
[19:36] <teward> and with respect to -security
[19:36] <teward> and though security has its own processes
[19:36] <teward> if this was a concern NOW
[19:36] <teward> this should have been an earlier concern during the OpenSSL SRU
[19:37] <teward> and the moment -security gets 1.1.1 pushed out via it
[19:37] <teward> you're going to be basically ahving these SRUs *anyways* but done by Security next time they push a patch for nginx
[19:37] <teward> so i think there's a broader problem and discussion that needs to happen
[19:37] <teward> related to this
[19:37] <teward> not just because of the SRU
[19:37] <teward> but because of OpenSSL being the evil it is regardless
[19:38] <teward> ... not to mention we're already 'SSL libraries diverged' wrt Security and Updates
[19:38] <teward> ... qhixh arill ro rhia sY IEEIRRwa mw
[19:38] <teward> which still to this day irritates me*
[19:38] <teward> *kicks keyboard out into the river*
[19:41] <vorlon> I don't understand why you're concerned about updates vs security being "diverged"
[19:41] <vorlon> every package introduced in an updates pocket needs to take care of its own versioned dependencies to make sure that it pulls in any other deps it needs
[19:41] <vorlon> SRUs must not break as a result of partial upgrades
[19:46] <RikMills> vorlon: fair enough on kate4. I thought I saw somewhere that manually removed things would not autosync again unless synced deliberately again. I must misremember or have misunderstood.
[19:47] <vorlon> RikMills: that may have been a bug that I fixed in recent memory ;)
[19:47] <RikMills> aha. that makes sense!
[20:19] <ddstreet> vorlon if you have a sec, me and kenvandine collided on our uploads of modemmanager to disco...they are identical, so if you could just reject one of them, it shouldn't matter which
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[20:22] <ddstreet> wow, looking at the backscroll, the upload msgs from queuebot are 1 second apart, that's some crazy coincidence in timing on our uploads
[20:25] <vorlon> ddstreet: there is some batching involved in the messages :)
[20:25] <vorlon> anyway, rejected the second of the uploads, whoever's that was
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[20:30] <ddstreet> vorlon awesome thanks!
[20:33] <kenvandine> vorlon: thanks
[21:12] <doko> dpkg-deb: error: failed to read archive 'zfs-dkms_*.deb': No such file or directory
[21:12] <doko> make: *** [debian/rules.d/2-binary-arch.mk:220: install-generic] Error 2
[21:13] <doko> sforshee, apw: ^^^ linux autopkg test regression
[21:14] <sforshee> doko: probably means a new zfs landed, though I thought apw had made that so it would download them from the librarian if removed from the archive
[21:15] <sforshee> hmm, no that does not seem to be the case
[21:15] <vorlon> zfs-dkms 0.8.1-1ubuntu5 is stale, current version is 0.8.1-1ubuntu7
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[21:16] <apw> sforshee, hmmm, no we expected to avoid that by by copying the old versions into the PPA for builds; but adt is a wrinkle
[21:16] <apw> sforshee, as they are not in the PPA, sigh.
[21:17] <vorlon> what does the ppa have to do with it?  this failure is visible on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/l/linux/eoan/amd64 and shows downloads from ftpmaster.internal
[21:19] <sforshee> I think that was wrt our builds, and the problem of autopkgtest build tests was missed
[21:29] <vorlon> ah
[21:30] <apw> i suspect a rebuild should not build the dkms packages ... in dt
[21:30] <apw> adt
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