[00:19] <rk4> hi, am i correct in the assumption that the ubuntu installer will be able to recreate the EFI partitions on a thinkpad if i wipe the disk?
[00:20] <rk4> all signs point to yes, but there are sometimes catches.
[00:21] <uRock> I believe that is the case as long as the partition table is GPT
[00:24] <rk4> which since it'll be a blank disk I'll be able to create such a table :)
[00:25] <uRock> Yup
[00:25] <uRock> The Debian install documentation goes into detail on it.
[00:26] <OerHeks> rk4, it does, make sure you choose GPT
[00:26] <OerHeks> !uefi
[00:30] <rk4> interesting, arch wiki mentions 'Lenovo T480 is tied in with Microsoft and will only boot to Windows EFI file or default EFI fallback file. Verified on firmware version 1.14.
[00:36] <uRock> "Secure boot is often enabled by default on systems that come preinstalled with a 64-bit version of Windows 8 and there is unfortunately no standard way to disable it in the UEFI setup"
[00:37] <uRock> That could be a problem.
[00:37] <OerHeks> secureboot is not a problem, fastboot is
[00:52] <Oderus> Hi trying to install ubuntu server and it does not recognise my wifi card. This is fine, because i can ssh to it later and configure it, but I cannot proceed with the install without co figuring the network. Is there a way to bypass this?
[00:57] <sarnold> Oderus: is your goal to install without a network at all?
[00:58] <AngelKde> sarnold, for my no
[01:02] <Oderus> Sarnold: preferably not
[01:05] <sarnold> Oderus: there's two different server installers; if one forces you to configure a network before continuing, the other one may work: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installation.html
[01:05] <sarnold> the debian-installer option has been around for a lot longer, it's probably more amenable to installing without network
[01:05] <Oderus> Sarnold: okay thanks I will try that. Appreciate it
[01:16] <Oderus> Sarnold: id like to install with network, but it does not recognise my wifi card at lease the live iso disnt
[01:17] <Oderus> Sarnold: about to try the other version
[01:17] <sarnold> Oderus: hmm. you said "bypass" earlier so I assumed you wanted to skip configuring the network entirelyu..
[01:35] <Oderus> Sarnold: sorry my client crahed
[01:36] <sarnold> Oderus: the last was: < Oderus> Sarnold: about to try the other version < sarnold> Oderus: hmm. you said "bypass" earlier so I assumed you wanted to skip configuring the network entirelyu..
[01:36] <sarnold> (complete with typos :)
[02:36] <BuffaloWingVapor> Just realized I have a LAMP server that's still on 16.04 LTS. The main website sitting on top of it is just using WordPress. I know I should backup everything (including the DB) before upgrading, but is it pretty safe to make the upgrade to 18.04 LTS, under these circumstances. Trying to avoid much downtime, if possible.
[02:41] <sarnold> BuffaloWingVapor: I think that's going from php7.0 to php7.2; make sure your applications run on the newer php first
[02:42] <sarnold> BuffaloWingVapor: most upgrades ought to go smoothly by now
[02:45] <Oderus> Sarnold: i think i have my wifi card selected but I need to figure out how to connect to a wireleaa network from command line now heh
[02:46] <sarnold> Oderus: why not use a wired nic?
[02:46] <Oderus> Sarnold: i dont have a long enough ethernet cable
[02:46] <sarnold> ahhhhhh. dang :/
[02:46] <sarnold> Oderus: iwlist, iwconfig, wpa_supplicant may all help
[02:47] <sarnold> Oderus: nm-cli or nmcli isn't too terrible if you'd rather go the network-manager route, but .. I've never used it to *create* settings, only ever switch between them
[02:47] <Oderus> Sarnold ok great.  Unsure what all is installed, and if it isnt, i will have to chroot
[02:48] <Oderus> Sarnold: at least I am having a great time doing it :)
[02:49] <sarnold> Oderus: haha, nice :D
[02:52] <Oderus> Sarnold: taking a break now. I wonder if nmcli is a default package in 18.04.2 server
[02:52] <BuffaloWingVapor> @sarnold: thx. I'll ck my php version.
[02:52] <sarnold> Oderus: almost certainly not, networkmanage risn't on the server discs
[03:15] <jml2> maybe the config can be set in netplan
[03:21] <Gallomimia> what's the replacement for ifconfig anyway? i can't seem to figure out how to use command line to give me my IP and router
[03:21] <sarnold> ip
[03:22] <guiverc> Gallomimia, ip addr will show ip address; ip route will show routing ...
[03:22] <Gallomimia> okay thanks. i'm still pretty lost about that command
[03:38] <ekaj> I've installed ubuntu server 18.04 on a pi, and followed this guide to get pi camera tools installed. ( https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/37359/how-to-use-raspistill-on-ubuntu ) However, the files it installed in /opt/vc/bin are 32 bit, and the pi is 64 bit, which leads to the OS saying the file isn't there.
[03:38] <ekaj> I've tried to follow this post to add support for 32 bit binaries, but most of the packages don't exist. Anyone know of a more up-to-date guide for that compatibility? https://askubuntu.com/questions/454253/how-to-run-32-bit-app-in-ubuntu-64-bit
[03:48] <mutantspew> Hi, I'm running a radeon rx 580 card hdmi to my monitor, when I run the live usb (for lubuntu lxde or lxqt), at 1920x1080 I can't see the full screen. if I go the next size lower I can see everything, is this a driver problem? #lubuntu suggested I ask here. Monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster B2430.
[03:49] <zette> hi, i am user of mate dekstop environment, but when can i change square workspace dekstop?
[03:50] <zette> but how*
[03:52] <zette> hello? any want help me?
[04:53] <macroprep> how do i get asm/errno.h
[04:56] <Gambit-> Howdy folks
[04:56] <Gambit-> I've got a laptop that's a real PITA which I can boot up on a livecd with some boot options, but post-install it hangs.  How do I edit the boot parameters on the installed partition from the live cd?
[04:57] <Gambit-> (I haven't been able to get to a boot menu during boot, neither with holding/pressing a shift key nor with pressing escape a whole lot)
[05:13] <Gallomimia> Gambit-, i've a similar problem. i'm not precisely sure, but a hint for you is to edit some default grub options. specifically the kernel and boot parameters given by grub to the kernel during bootup. they're stored on the initrd i believe. editing them, then doing a grub-update is needed. usually from inside a chroot
[05:14] <Gambit-> I wasn't able to get the grub-update from inside the chroot to work
[05:14] <Gambit-> it complained about /cow
[05:17] <Gallomimia> then you haven't built a proper chroot
[05:18] <Gambit-> I don't doubt :)
[05:28] <abbiya> i added these lines to my .profile in $HOME
[05:28] <abbiya>  export XDG_DATA_DIRS="${GUIX_PROFILE}/share:${XDG_DATA_DIRS}"
[05:28] <abbiya>  export XDG_DATA_DIRS=$HOME/.nix-profile/share:$XDG_DATA_DIRS
[05:28] <abbiya> After logging out
[05:29] <abbiya> i dont see these appended to xdg
[05:29] <abbiya> do i need to restart ?
[05:29] <Gallomimia> Gambit-, you have to mount --bind in /proc /sys /dev and something else. i forget exactly.... i'm going to give it a go tomorrow
[05:30] <Gambit-> Got it working
[05:30] <Gambit-> turned out to be sys, dev, and umount /cow
[05:30] <Gambit-> that let me do a successful chroot
[05:46] <abbiya> my .profile changes are not reflecting
[05:46] <abbiya> what do i do
[05:46] <Gallomimia> usually close terminal and open a new one is enough
[05:47] <abbiya> i restarted too
[05:47] <abbiya> https://paste.gnome.org/p69lepmkq
[05:47] <abbiya> all these lines are reflected
[05:48] <Gallomimia> # This file is not read by bash(1), if ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login
[05:50] <chieta> how to know that process running from which directory?
[05:51] <abbiya> thanks Gallomimia
[05:51] <abbiya> that must be the case
[05:52] <Gallomimia> chieta, there's two ways to look into that. using the command "which" will tell you what process will run if you call a command with no path. the ps command also gives options for looking up the command path of a running process.
[05:52] <Gallomimia> for example. ps -ax | less
[05:53] <Gallomimia> (the path is truncated if you don't pipe it to something)
[06:01] <abort_aba> yeians, yeis
[06:34] <cixx> hi.
[06:36] <cixx> i can't login using Gnome login screen. if i boot Ubuntu in normal mode, Ubuntu freeze before listing users. if i boot Ubuntu in recovery mode and then choose "resume" on menu, it lists users and i can choose any of them but after typed password, screen flickers and it doesn't login
[06:36] <cixx> i do ctrl+alt+f2 and login using terminal
[06:36] <cixx> how can fix gnome problem?
[07:22] <tomreyn> cixx: i have to leave but please also discuss this for others to respond: has it ever worked with this ubuntu version on this computer? if so, what may have changed between then and now? if not, is this a new installation? which ubuntu version is this? which grpahics card / chipset is this (this command tells what you have:  lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999 )
[07:30] <emOne> Honestly I feel like ditching Ubuntu for Centos on my dedicated server. I am comfortable and happy with ubuntu in ever way apart from one. There are no good web panels for it
[07:30] <lag> Which version of Mesa will Eoan be released with?
[07:34] <emOne> Is there a simple and nice open source web panel out there for ubuntu?
[07:36] <emOne> I have been using ubuntu since the very early versions. I don't feel comfortable moving away from the distro.
[07:36] <cixx> tomreyn: it is not fresh installation, it was working without problem. it is ubuntu 18.04 and installed via virtualbox. it uses vmware svga II adapter
[07:40] <Ben64> emOne: web panel?
[07:41] <emOne> Ben64: a web panel is a website that lets you configure important settings of your server
[07:42] <emOne> it also shows you an overview of important server statistics like cpu load, cpu temperature and other information
[07:42] <emOne> Ubuntu doesn't come with one by default
[07:44] <Ben64> emOne: well, you could learn how to configure things without one
[07:44] <Ben64> and information is available through landscape, or htop or something like that
[07:46] <emOne> Ben64: Thank you. I have always been using Terminal only to set things up. This time around I am looking for something more automated
[08:00] <ramsub07> Hello, my nautilus doesn't start anymore. I just tried to start it as sudo nautilus, yet doesn't work. Did a $killall nautilus and tried to start again, yet doesn't work. Any help?
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> ramsub07: errors on launching?
[08:00] <ramsub07> lotuspsychje: precisely
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> ramsub07: wich ones please, can you pastebin to the channel? wich ubuntu version?
[08:01] <anonymip> anyone got rar2fs working on Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS, and like to share how to install it, I've tried various guides without success
[08:01] <ramsub07> lotuspsychje: Linux la-fabrica 4.15.0-54-generic #58~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jun 24 13:21:41 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:02] <ramsub07> (pasted directly as it's just a line)
[08:03] <akem-lnvo> ramsub07, i think he meant if nautilus displays any errors when you start it from the terminal.
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> ramsub07: journalctl -f and launch nautilus from terminal please, then pastebin us the output of the errors you get
[08:04] <ramsub07> akem-lnvo: unfortunately no errors
[08:05] <ramsub07> it just.... hangs in when i type nautilus on my termina
[08:05] <ramsub07> lotuspsychje: the  journalctl -f command doesn't seem to stop execution.
[08:06] <ramsub07> did you mean I should open in another tty?
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> ramsub07: one terminal journal and one other terminal launch nautilus yes
[08:08] <ramsub07> lotuspsychje: nothing at all again in the window where I try to open nautilus
[08:09] <ramsub07> ...and finally it opens after approx a minute since i entered the command
[08:09] <ramsub07> (and still i could see "loading" icon at the bottom)
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> ramsub07: try creating another user and test nautilus from there
[08:10] <ramsub07> lotuspsychje: http://dpaste.com/3568SVE the log from terminal
[08:13] <ramsub07> lotuspsychje: from another user : http://dpaste.com/0S35B7T (I didn't log my current session off, just did an su)
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> ramsub07: are you on ubuntu 16.04 with unity?
[08:14] <ramsub07> lotuspsychje: yes
[08:15] <Gallomimia> i feel it is unlikely to work at all under any circumstances if you switch-user to another user with no permissions to interact with your desktop environment
[08:15] <Gallomimia> by design. not a bug
[08:15] <Gallomimia> the suggestion was to try it in another user's login.
[08:16] <Gallomimia> lock the screen and log in as if someone else was using the computer
[08:33] <Gallomimia> oh good you came back ramsub07
[08:35] <rk4> thanks for the help, the install went fine :). ubuntu did manage to recreate all the efi partition contents fine (disk was zeroed with blkdiscard). only thing i had to do was delete old entries in the nvram with efibootmgr
[08:48] <ramsub07> Gallomimia: had to restart my system. everything is fine now. the one solution to solve them all!
[08:51] <ramsub07> i understood it wasn't something to do with nautilus in itself, but was a problem with some file system
[09:26] <garo> I'm going to install an extra user in ubuntu using the shell, but i want to remain as close as possible to the way a user was installed during the installation of bionic
[09:26] <garo> What should i use ? useradd or adduser ? and with which options ?
[09:27] <garo> (I'll handle groups later manually in /etc/group), but i want a similar homedir and things like that
[09:27] <ayekat> adduser is an interactive tool that asks you questions - might be more convenient
[09:28] <garo> Will it do 'too much' ?
[09:28] <garo> or the better question, is this how the installer did it ?
[09:29] <ayekat> probably? creating a user is not much more than adding an entry in the /etc/{passwd,shadow} files, and maybe creating a home directory
[09:29] <ayekat> (plus a user-specific group and adding the user there)
[09:29] <hans_> any plans to upgrade lm-sensors to 3.5 for 18.04?  (i kinda want 3.5's new `--json` argument)
[09:30] <brahmana> Hi.. I have a 18.04.2 server on which I am trying to install libssl1.0
[09:30] <ayekat> garo: the one thing I know that adduser does additionaly is to populate the comments field with information like real name, phone number and whatnot
[09:30] <brahmana> But turns out installing libssl1.0.0 package is actually installing openssl 1.1
[09:30] <garo> k, thanks
[09:30] <brahmana> Here is what I see : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Hn3gZvkGxP/
[09:31] <brahmana> Can I install openssl 1.0 on Ubuntu 18.04 at all?
[09:31] <garo> If you want a specifc version you can use the '=version' option
[09:32] <garo> Take a look in packages.ubuntu.org if the version you want is available
[09:33] <brahmana> Ok.. rephrasing the question. This is the package I am talking about : https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libssl1.0.0  - Does this have openssl 1.0 or openssl 1.1 ?
[09:33] <ayekat> brahmana: libssl is just the library portion of openssl, and 1.0 only exists for compatibility reasons for outdated software - openssl (the command line tool) uses libssl 1.1
[09:34] <ayekat> so you can have both libssl 1.0 and 1.1 installed, but the `openssl` command uses 1.1
[09:34] <brahmana> ayekat : makes sense. Thank you. sudo apt-cache policy libssl1.1 confirms what you are saying
[09:35] <brahmana> ayekat : Next question is probably more applicable to the application I am building (Ruby 2.2.10), nevertheless : How do I specify which of the libssl versions has to be used?
[09:36] <brahmana> i.e. while building
[09:37] <ayekat> brahmana: probably depends on what the ruby package/bundle/whatever is using - but I'd be surprised if the Ruby bindings for OpenSSL still require 1.0
[09:38] <brahmana> ayekat: This is an older version of Ruby (2.2.10). Ruby before 2.4 doesn't work with openssl 1.1. openssl 1.0 is needed for those versions.
[09:39] <ayekat> ah, I see
[09:39] <ayekat> I'm not familiar enough with Ruby to help, though :-/ (I don't know how it interacts with OpenSSL, that is)
[09:39] <tomreyn> garo: when the installer creates a user, it also adds it to the sudo group, since it's the first, and the administrative user.
[09:43] <tomreyn> garo: other than that i agree that adduser creates a standard user (using a UID in the proper human user range, i.e. a non system user UID) and a group, and adds the user to this group, and makes it his primary group, creates a home directory, copies the files from /etc/skel to it, and asks for the details (and some others) the installer would also prompt for (you could skip entering those using --gecos '' ).
[09:44] <brahmana> ayekat :  No worries. You have been very helpful. Thank you.
[09:45] <tomreyn> brahmana: if you find out that a version of ruby available in ubuntu does not work with the (only?) ubuntu packaged libssl-dev version available on this same ubuntu release, i'd consider this a bug. (i'm not sure that's what you're seeing, though).
[09:46] <brahmana> tomreyn: I am not installing Ruby from a ubuntu package. I am building from the source.
[09:46] <tomreyn> i see, you're on your own then, i'm afraid (as you probably assumed).
[09:47] <tomreyn> !latest | hans_
[09:49] <tomreyn> hans_: you can download the latest sensors-detect script from hgroeckx' git repo, though, often this already helps with making sensors work on newer platforms.
[09:50] <brahmana> tomreyn : I know. However in this case I am actually looking for an older version than the one available with ubuntu packages.. :-)
[09:50] <auser0> hey everyone, i am trying to mount an iso on ubu 18.0 and it keeps giving me that error can't read superblock on /dev/loop0
[09:50] <brahmana> oh sorry .. the latest message was meant for someone else.. !!
[09:50] <auser0>  while on ubun 16.04, the exact same iso gets mounted just fine
[09:51] <auser0> any idea what could be wrong?
[09:52] <tomreyn> hans_: i meant to write groeck's, but the repository is actually runs under the lm-sensors name (and there are other contributors) https://github.com/lm-sensors/lm-sensors
[09:52] <brahmana> ayekat / tomreyn : libssl1.0 and libssl1.1 - both packages seem to be present. However libssl1.0-dev exists but libssl1.1-dev does not. Why so?
[09:54] <tomreyn> brahmana: i'm not sure. what i know is that openssl 1.1 was introduced in 18.04.2 post-release to support TLSv1.3 in bionic.
[09:54] <brahmana> ok.. that is mostly taken care by the unnumbered  libssl-dev package
[09:54] <auser0> anyone have any clue..?
[09:54] <brahmana> Yup.. https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libssl-dev - that is the dev package for libssl 1.1
[09:55] <tomreyn> i think it's the default now, so this would make sense
[09:55] <ayekat> it's weird that libssl1.1 is numbered at all
[09:56] <ayekat> I can see why one would number 1.0, as it's for compatibility, but... why number the default version?
[09:56] <tomreyn> auser0: how are you mounting it exactly, which graphical desktop (or server?) are you running there?
[10:00] <tomreyn> auser0: i suspect it may just be a permission / file system mounting issue.
[10:00] <auser0> ty tomreyn
[10:00] <auser0> somehow now i checked the iso and it has some problem but oddly when mounting it in ubu 16, it showed no errors
[10:00] <auser0> but the iso itself is corrupted, i can confirm that now
[10:01] <tomreyn> ah, well, that'd explain it, i guess.
[10:02] <tomreyn> maybe the newer loop mount utility now does more thorough sanity checks.
[10:03] <tomreyn> !YY.MM | auser0: a side note (for next time)
[10:04] <auser0> ty tomreyn
[10:04] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[10:07] <stevenm> hey I think I'm dealing with a very oddly behaving APT repository here... or just odd apt error messages...
[10:08] <stevenm> if I add in 'deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Apps:/pidgin-sipe/xUbuntu_18.04/ /' I get... Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[10:08] <stevenm> so fine I then add [trusted=yes]
[10:09] <stevenm> then i get The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 65A86F31629FF0C2
[10:09] <stevenm> so fine I grab that via keyserver.ubuntu.com
[10:10] <stevenm> and I get The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 65A86F31629FF0C2 GNOME OBS Project <GNOME@build.opensuse.org> D3CAF5135D0A8F97AB539ED365A86F31629FF0C2
[10:10] <stevenm> so OK I'll not grab it from the keyserver and instead grab it from the repo's own 'Release.key' file instead (making sure to delete the existing key i imported first)
[10:11] <stevenm> and I'm finally left with... The following signatures were invalid: D3CAF5135D0A8F97AB539ED365A86F31629FF0C2
[10:11] <stevenm> "Invalid" how?!
[10:17] <_RadioHead> hi.
[10:17] <tomreyn> stevenm: if you're having trouble using a 3rd party repository, i recommend you discuss with the party providing this repository.
[10:17] <_RadioHead> i setup simple samba share but i get this message : session setup failed: NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
[10:17] <_RadioHead> ubuntu 18.04
[10:18] <tomreyn> stevenm: this repository is obviously not in good shape, so for them to fix it up for you and everyone else, it'll be good to ensure they're aware
[10:18] <RiverLi> hello
[10:19] <RiverLi> noboday
[10:19] <tomreyn> _RadioHead: please ask in #ubuntu-server
[10:19] <RiverLi> ok
[10:19] <tomreyn> hello RiverLi: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[10:19] <_RadioHead> tomreyn, thx , but i am using ubuntu desktop
[10:22] <tomreyn> _RadioHead: this can be a result of violating an apparmor profile, or just a samba configuration issue. check your logs for more context.
[10:25] <_RadioHead> tomreyn, i disabled apparmor for a test same thing ,
[10:26] <_RadioHead> testparm is ok. only syslog warning message is diplayed that option is depricated
[10:27] <Mathisen> _RadioHead, can you pastebin your smb.conf ?
[10:27] <_RadioHead> Mathisen,
[10:27] <_RadioHead> yes
[10:30] <_RadioHead> https://pastebin.com/cjkn9Mkw Mathisen
[10:34] <coffeecow> I just bought a microsd card and I'm trying to format it and I'm getting this: "mmc0: Card stuck in wrong state! mmcblk0 card_busy_detect status: 0xd00"
[10:35] <Mathisen> _RadioHead, check logs, like he sugested.. need more infp
[10:35] <Mathisen> *info
[11:22] <Vonor> hi all. with cinnamon desktop i had my keyboard layout switcher set to the scroll lock key as it is unused anyway. Now in Budgie I want to do the same but in settings > keyboard I can't use that key as a shortcut. printscreen is recognized though
[11:31] <kittykitty> in dejadup, if you change the folder in storage location when the storage location is an external drive, it doesnt change the folder and just uses the hostname? Any solutions??
[12:06] <tomreyn> Vonor: maybe try asking in #ubuntu-budgie as well
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:13] <amcsi> Hi, I'm running a bash script with -v. It's outputting each command, which is great, but apparently it's not outputting the outputs of the commands. It is outputting their stderr messages though.
[12:14] <amcsi> How can I get the standard output of the commands output?
[12:20] <EoflaOEViceCity> hi BluesKaj.
[12:20] <pcworld> amcsi: does your script redirect the output? Because it works for me: $ bash -v -c 'echo test'
[12:20] <pcworld> echo test
[12:20] <pcworld> test
[12:21] <BluesKaj> hi EoflaOEViceCity
[12:24] <jetsaredim> I seem to be having an issue with 19.04 where the HDMI audio won't work as the configuration menus say the cable is unplugged - meanwhile the HDMI video is working perfectly fine
[12:25] <amcsi> pcworld, thanks. The situation is a bit complicated
[12:25] <amcsi> I'll mess around some more
[12:31] <BluesKaj> jetsaredim, using a pcie gpu, or onboard?
[12:34] <jetsaredim> BluesKaj onboard
[12:35] <jetsaredim> so the HDMI audio device doesn't even show up in the main sound control settings, but if i install pavucontrol I can see the device but it's saying the cable is unplugged
[12:35] <jetsaredim> which I guess is why its not listed in the main settings
[12:37] <BluesKaj> jetsaredim, open alsamixer and make sure your automute is disabled and s/pdif is set to 00 not mute MM
[12:39] <jetsaredim> BluesKaj S/PDIF is 00, and I just disabled Auto-Mute but that doesn't seem to have changed the unplugged status
[12:43] <BluesKaj> jetsaredim, what audio chip does alsamixer show in the upper left?
[12:43] <Evil-Bob> hello!
[12:45] <jetsaredim> BluesKaj I think that's part of the issue. It's showing Realtek ALC892, but it should be an ATI Radeon-based chip (onboard).  If I change the card to the ATI card (ATI RS690/780 HDMI) the only option I get is the S/PDIF.  There's no other sound settings in alsacontrol shown.
[12:45] <Evil-Bob> I need help with a little bash script i'm trying to get working.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> s/pdif connects the audio thru your hdmi cable, jetsaredim
[12:49] <jetsaredim> BluesKaj right but there's no volume controls being shown or anything when I switch to that card in alsacontrol - just allows me to mute/unmute the S/PDIF - nothing else
[12:49] <jetsaredim> Evil-Bob post the details
[12:50] <Evil-Bob> ok well don't kick me for flooding lol
[12:50] <jetsaredim> use a paste
[12:50] <jetsaredim> Evil-Bob paste.ubuntu.com
[12:50] <jetsaredim> Evil-Bob https://paste.ubuntu.com
[12:53] <Evil-Bob> so i have a ds4 controller hooked up when i turn it on if functions like a mouse that's cool i want that some times.  when i play for a while and the battery dies and i plug it in it changes id's on xinput.
[12:53] <Evil-Bob> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jXs5DC8kHy/
[12:54] <BluesKaj> jetsaredim, run lsmod | grep snd and pastebin the result
[12:55] <Evil-Bob> heres what i have so far and it works i have another script that is the same thing that uses device='Sony Interactive Entertainment Wireless Controller' when plugged in that works two but can i do it with one file?
[13:08] <Evil-Bob> any ideas jetsaredim?
[13:11] <jetsaredim> Evil-Bob so you're just using this to toggle on/off?
[13:12] <Evil-Bob> yes sir and it works!  but i want to toggle on and off both states
[13:13] <jetsaredim> both devices you mean?
[13:13] <jetsaredim> what if they are different states?
[13:13] <jetsaredim> just create a wrapper script that calls both
[13:13] <jetsaredim> or just put both sets of code in the same file and use device1/device2
[13:14] <jetsaredim> BluesKaj https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YHG4c69QGb
[13:16] <Evil-Bob> ok... so like this device1='Wireless Controller'
[13:17] <BluesKaj> looks like you have a dedicated pcie audio card, jetsaredim?
[13:18] <jetsaredim> BluesKaj its an onboard ATI Radeon card
[13:18] <BluesKaj> odd
[13:19] <BluesKaj> jetsaredim, try a reboot to see if the hdmi shows up, now that it's connected
[13:20] <jetsaredim> BluesKaj it was never not connected
[13:20] <jetsaredim> I'm suspecting the mobo might be going bad at this point
[13:20] <BluesKaj> hmm
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> jetsaredim: you dualboot or singleboot ubuntu?
[13:21] <jetsaredim> lotuspsychje single
[13:21] <jetsaredim> I haven't used windows for like 15+ years
[13:21] <jetsaredim> thankfully
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> jetsaredim: can you pastebin your full dmesg please, maybe we can find something there
[13:23] <jetsaredim> getting a ton of "HDMI ATI/AMD: no speaker allocation for ELD" messages in dmesg
[13:25] <jetsaredim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bxkK99WMYp/
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> jetsaredim: we had a user with kodi issues on ati last night, there were updates yesterday on amd packages right?
[13:27] <jetsaredim> i see a couple udev updates
[13:27] <jetsaredim> is it in proposed or stable?
[13:27] <Evil-Bob> jetsaredim, i'd assume they are different states.  it's the same piece of hardware just with a usb cable plugged in
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> jetsaredim: an old bug about here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1371919
[13:33] <jetsaredim> i guess i can try a different cable
[13:39] <cjoke> whats the difference btw xserver-xorg-video-intel and xserver-xorg-video-intel-hwe ?
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> cjoke: hwe is for the hwe kernel
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> !hwe | cjoke
[13:40] <Arethusa> my mouse/pointer kind of jitters in place when I have some light pressure over the touchpad - how do I troubleshoot it?
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> cjoke: wich ubuntu version/kernel are you on?
[13:40] <Evil-Bob> ok so i've made a breakthrough i think.  when i turn the controller on THEN plug it in it stays Wireless Controller. instead of Sony Interactive Entertainment Wireless Controller
[13:41] <cjoke> lotuspsychje: 4.15.0-54-lowlatency #58-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT
[13:41] <Evil-Bob> and i can toggle it with my first script
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> cjoke: ubuntu studio 18.04?
[13:41] <cjoke> yes
[13:42] <_RadioHead> tomreyn, i found what is blocking samba ,
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> cjoke: ok right now you still on 18.04 start kernel, its your choice if you move towards 4.18 HWE
[13:42] <_RadioHead> after installing virtualmin  nobody cant conect to samba shares
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> _RadioHead: you solved it?
[13:43] <_RadioHead> lotuspsychje, not yet , just found what is blocking
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[13:44] <cjoke> lotuspsychje: I had some tearing when moving windows around, but did put a 20-intel.conf in xorg.conf.d with Option TearFree = "1" seems too fixed problem, I have been afk for some years, and just want to check if im missing something :)
[13:44] <user_name> hi
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> _RadioHead: think tomreyn is afk atm, i will ping him for you when he returns
[13:45] <_RadioHead> lotuspsychje, nah no prob. i thnik that firewalld is blocking smb ports
[13:45] <user_name> I need software that is simular to neodownloader for kubuntu
[13:45] <user_name> neodownloader is not the same as grep or curl
[13:46] <user_name> works differently
[13:46] <cjoke> lotuspsychje: but , boot is slow, I have a 256GB SSD , its about 15sec boot time after bios, guess, I have to read some bootlogs. Thanks for response :)
[13:46] <user_name> in how they detect images
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> cjoke: ssd boot speed will be alot faster on 4.18 kernel, i tested that, but i had to fresh install here
[13:46] <jetsaredim> lotuspsychje there's gotta be something up with my mobo as I rebooted and now I have no networking
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> jetsaredim: i was thinking uefi, when i asked if you dualboot, as uefi settings can influence, graphics, network and sound for example
[13:47] <jetsaredim> lotuspsychje pretty sure my mobo pre-dates uefi
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> jetsaredim: ah allright
[13:48] <user_name> anyone here
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> !patience | user_name
[13:49] <leftyfb> user_name: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:49] <user_name> -_- literally the opposite of patience
[13:49] <user_name> doesn't one of the 1181 users know how to help me
[13:49] <leftyfb> user_name: also, grep and curl are 2 completely different applications that are nothing alike
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> cjoke: feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-discuss about it
[13:49] <leftyfb> user_name: you're asking for recommendations for software. This is a support channel.
[13:50] <cfhowlett> user_name, focus your query.  details about the end goal would help.  finally, be patient or be ignored.
[13:50] <user_name> I need to detect and download images from web pages
[13:51] <user_name> but cant code and some pages use lazy scrolling which breaks just about every image crawler ive tried
[13:52] <leftyfb> user_name: your issue is beyond the scope of this channel. Try #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:52] <user_name> except for neodownloader maybe, I paid for it to get around the file restricton trailversion limit but it sucked. so yesterday it got an update
[13:52] <user_name> but now you gotta pay for that as well
[13:53] <user_name> and im stuck with the trail of the new update cause it replaced the full version of the older version
[13:59] <Evil-Bob> so yeah i'm stuck.  i could use two separate bash scripts but that's ugly
[13:59] <_RadioHead> lotuspsychje, i found solution  :)
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> _RadioHead: feel free to feedback
[14:00] <_RadioHead> i just added samba in allow default firewalld list :)
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx _RadioHead
[14:01] <user_name> no other channel can help me. there are channels and they are all dead
[14:01] <user_name> I know this channel can
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> user_name: did you see the channel reccomends voluntteers did for you?
[14:02] <user_name> yes and I must be realistic though
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> user_name: #ubuntu-offtopic is a pretty active channel, you just need to patient a bit
[14:31] <Mead> sooo... has there been any scuttle about an update to 18.04 breaking kodi?  C
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> Mead: why, are you experiencing errors?
[14:32] <lordcirth> Mead, I believe someone was here yesterday with a kodi issue
[14:33] <leftyfb> Mead: also, there is #kodi
[14:34] <Mead> lotuspsychje: yes, I just updated my lubuntu 18.04 system and now kodi simply closes (crashes?) when I attempt to play a video file
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> Mead: yes, as lordcirth we had a user with same symptons yesterday
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> Mead: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kodi/+bug/1836828
[14:35] <Mead> did he say what version of kodi he was using?
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> Mead: 17.6
[14:37] <Mead> yup, I'm using the same version
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> Mead: if you feel the same bug occurs to you, please add yourself affected ontop
[14:41] <uRock> If I recall correctly, the person having the issue yesterday said the folks at #kodi didn't want to help him due to the version being older than their current one.
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> !latest | uRock
[14:42] <uRock> I know. Just mentioning that they brushed him off.
[14:46] <Mead> Yeah, I've been running Kodi installed from the Kodi repo instead of the ubuntu repo for a couple years now. I butted heads with them when Leia rolled out and didn't work for me, although someone helped me downgrade back to krypton and uninstall the repo so that it wouldn't upgrade back to Leia when I ran apt upgrade
[14:46] <uRock> kool
[14:47] <Mead> reading through the bug report it looks like I've got the exact same problem
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> Mead: affect yourself to the bug then, that will speed up attention to the bug
[14:49] <Mead> yeah, I'll do that. working doing it.  I don't think I've used launchpad.net before so there is a slight learning curve going on.
[14:56] <MeiR> Hi, I have issues with ntp, probably connectivity
[14:56] <MeiR> # ntpq -p
[14:56] <MeiR> ntpq: write to localhost failed: Operation not permitted
[14:56] <MeiR> I added the needed INPUT and OUTPUT rules in iptables
[14:57] <sarashina> I installed Ubuntu 19.04 on my HP Pavilion x360 14-dh0003tx one month ago, everything went good, but the built-in speaker goes no sound after a system update (I guess). How do I solve this?
[14:57] <sarashina> I've tested on Windows 10, hardware has no problem
[14:57] <uRock> sarashina, Is it still selected in Settings > Sound
[14:58] <sarashina> There's no other device to choose except for "built-in"
[14:58] <Mead> lotuspsychje:  I added myself to the affected list, what else can I do to contribute to the bug issue?
[14:59] <MeiR> It's Ubuntu 14.04. Can someone please guide me what to check?
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> Mead: you can also test things, reproduce situations and keep that bug updated
[15:00] <uRock> Ubuntu 14.04 is no longer supported
[15:01] <MeiR> uRock: ok, but I believe that this issue with ntp isn't related to the Ubuntu version
[15:01] <leftyfb> MeiR: install a supported version, then we can troubleshoot
[15:02] <leftyfb> MeiR: also, you sure you don't need sudo?
[15:02] <MeiR> leftyfb: it's a VPS on DO of a production website with lots of dependencies
[15:02] <uRock> leftyfb, I was starting to think the same thing
[15:02] <MeiR> leftyfb: it's from root user, same results also with "sudo"
[15:03] <leftyfb> MeiR: ok, so don't test on production
[15:04] <MeiR> it's a wider issue. we have PHP app that uses Amazon AWS API, and we suddenly started receiving this error today:
[15:04] <MeiR> AWS was not able to validate the provided access credentials
[15:04] <MeiR> after some googling and reading, I found out that the possible cause can be unsynced server clock
[15:05] <uRock> MeiR, did you allow port 123 for tcp and udp?
[15:05] <MeiR> then I checked "timedatectl status" and saw that there's 5 minues diff b/w universal and RTC time
[15:05] <MeiR> Universal time: Thu 2019-07-18 14:58:05 UTC
[15:05] <MeiR>         RTC time: Thu 2019-07-18 14:53:03
[15:05] <uRock> https://community.hpe.com/t5/Networking/Help-ntpq-write-to-localhost-failed-Operation-not-permitted/td-p/2949822#.XTCKXnVKjjs
[15:05] <leftyfb> MeiR: contact DO/run a supported version of Ubuntu
[15:06] <MeiR> and from what I saw, Amazon can be sensitive even to 2 mins diff
[15:07] <MeiR> leftyfb we already tried to upgrade to 16.04 last year with no success, and we cannot afford any long maintenance time
[15:07] <leftyfb> MeiR: there are proper ways to do system administration.
[15:08] <MeiR> uRock: as of iptables, I grabbed the ruled from here: https://ixnfo.com/en/iptables-rules-for-ntp-and-sntp.html
[15:08] <leftyfb> MeiR: either way, you are running an unsupported version of Ubuntu
[15:08] <leftyfb> MeiR: or you could pay for ESR and get support for it through Canonical
[15:08] <MeiR> -A OUTPUT -p udp -m udp -m multiport --dports 123 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT
[15:08] <MeiR> -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -p udp --dport 123 -j ACCEPT
[15:08] <MeiR> leftyfb, I see your point, but I truly believe this has nothing to do with the branch version
[15:09] <leftyfb> MeiR: a good way to test is to run 16.04 on a test environment and try the same setup
[15:09] <uRock> MeiR, allow tcp also
[15:09] <leftyfb> MeiR: you know, like sysadmins typically do
[15:10] <leftyfb> MeiR: also, if you feel it's an iptables issue, flush iptables and test. Again, not in production
[15:10] <MeiR> Unfortunately, I ain't a sysadmin. Just a PHP developer who is new to the linux world
[15:11] <MeiR> There's no easy way for me to duplicate the enviroment
[15:11] <leftyfb> MeiR: ok, so maybe you should contact your organizations sysadmin?
[15:12] <MeiR> heh leftyfb, we're a small business with about 10 workers. There was a CTO which deployed the enviroment in the past, but he left few months ago
[15:13] <MeiR> I was hired last year, and got the responsibilty for that. Therefore maintain the servers as much as I can
[15:13] <MeiR> after the AWS SDK issue today, I found out that there's no proper time sync
[15:14] <MeiR> timedatectl showed "NTP enabled: yes" but "NTP synchronized: no"
[15:14] <lordcirth> MeiR, you said it's a VPS? Can you get another VPS, put 16.04 on it, and try to get it working in parallel? That way you don't have much downtime
[15:14] <uRock> MeiR, Check out this one. https://serverfault.com/questions/879164/using-host-as-ntp-client-and-lxc-router-as-ntp-server
[15:15] <MeiR> So i stopped the service, uninstalled ntpdate and installed ntpd
[15:16] <MeiR>  <uRock> MeiR, allow tcp also
[15:16] <MeiR> shouldn’t I first try that?
[15:17] <leftyfb> MeiR: did you test with iptabels flushed as I suggested?
[15:19] <MeiR> leftyfb, as I said, there’s no test env atm. is it recommended to flush iptables in production? even for 1 minute?
[15:19] <leftyfb> MeiR: not from a proper administration/security standpoint
[15:19] <leftyfb> MeiR: but you said you're not a sysadmin :)
[15:19] <leftyfb> and you're running an unsupported version of ubuntu
[15:19] <leftyfb> on a VPS (also unsupported)
[15:19] <MeiR> heh, but i’m still in charge on this server’s security
[15:20] <leftyfb> droplets are typically modified images of ubuntu
[15:20] <MeiR> ok, flushed and it’s working
[15:21] <leftyfb> ok, so it's just a matter of you getting the right iptables rule
[15:24] <MeiR> leftyfb, after syncing, should the differnece b/w Universal and RTC time be 0?
[15:25] <MeiR> because I did “ntpd -gq” and “timedatectl status” still shows a difference
[15:25] <MeiR> (with FW off)
[16:33] <tomreyn> is there some way to trigger whoopsie to re-check whether it needs to create and submit a crash report?
[16:35] <tomreyn> i have a _usr_bin_gnome-shell.1000.crash (but no _usr_bin_gnome-shell.1000..upload*) sitting there for 7 hours now.
[16:38] <tomreyn> and the "Error reports sent from this system" page on errors.ubuntu.com doesn't list it either.
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: i had the same experience on a wayland session once, crash happened and nothing to find or bug after
[16:39] <tomreyn> right, this was indeed on wayland
[16:43] <ioria> !info apport-retrace | tomreyn
[16:45] <OerHeks> tomreyn, was display off ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1792643
[16:46]  * byt3c0de greet the channel
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> nice find OerHeks
[16:47] <byt3c0de> good afternoon ladies and gentlemen
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> welcome byt3c0de what can we do for you?
[16:47] <byt3c0de> just chilling like a villain, first time here...
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> byt3c0de: this is the ubuntu support channel, for chat you can join #ubuntu-offtopic for example
[16:48] <tomreyn> OerHeks: good guess, and the right guess.
[16:49] <byt3c0de> gotcha, thanks lotus!
[16:49] <tomreyn> thanks ioria, too
[16:49] <ioria> ok
[17:15] <c0mrade> So I've discovered a critical bug in a system that we use, turned out that, that system is not ours but something that is owned by another company and we just use it and turns out again from their client list that many major companies are affected.
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> c0mrade: and its related to ubuntu how exactly?
[17:19] <Rochvellon> I've got a problem. there is somewhere a trigger in my system (desktop, xfce, 16.04) that let crackle my audio periodically and if xfce4-volumed is active the osd volume appears then. what could it be? this behaviour appeared the first time as I pressed the volume up or down on my old keyboard but after changing the keyboard the trigger still exists
[17:30] <tomreyn> Rochvellon: Xubuntu 16.04 (the X in Xubuntu part of it) is EOL since April 21 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL
[17:31] <Rochvellon> aso :D
[18:00] <brenster21> So what is the best program for moving multiple files across my system's drives via ssh (preferable in background with status updates)
[18:17] <ryuo> brenster21: sftp ?
[18:18] <brenster21> havent used it before ryuo
[18:18] <brenster21> i am only moving the files to a different location same computer.
[18:18] <ryuo> it's included with ssh client.
[18:18] <ryuo> then why use sftp?
[18:18] <ryuo> you could just move or copy them with regular commands.
[18:18] <brenster21> I control the computer via ssh.
[18:18]  * brenster21 is a noob
[18:19] <sarnold> if you're moving data between two hard drives on one computer, rsync is the usual best choice. but cp can be wasy easier
[18:19] <ryuo> ssh can be used, but it's not the most ideal way to copy data on the same system.
[18:20] <ryuo> i could only see it being used if you have two accounts and no shared disk area they can write to.
[18:20] <ryuo> but can use ssh.
[18:20] <ryuo> (and also no root access)
[18:20] <brenster21> ryuo i mean i am using ssh since i don't have physical access to it.
[18:21] <ryuo> ok..
[18:21] <brenster21> sarnold how does rsync work?
[18:25] <sarnold> brenster21: rsync is the most amazing swiss army knife tool ever, it's wonderful for moving data around. on a single machine, rsync -avP /path/to/source/ /path/to/destination/   is pretty great. (The -P makes the output pretty crazy; if you want less output, -av is fine, but lacks the ability to be quickly restarted)
[18:26] <PuercoPop> Hi after updating my pc, it can no longer connect to the WiFi network. Network manager is stuck 'getting IP configuration' and from journalctl log I'm getting DHCPNAK from the router/dhcp server time and time again. Any idea what is causing that issue? I can connect to the same WiFi network from laptop which has Ubuntu 16.04
[18:26] <brenster21> thank you sarnold
[18:28] <sarnold> brenster21: when it comes time to move directories from machine to machine, you can also use -z to compress everything while moving data between machines! it's pretty awesome. it's useless on a single machine thuogh :)
[18:29] <brenster21> sarnold good to know and thank you.
[18:30] <brenster21> I am trying to reorganize my movie and tv downloads since i broken sonarr/radarr due to how much of a mess it was.
[18:44] <brenster21> one more question, what is the best way to check the health of an external drive?
[18:45] <brli_> hi, is there kde user around?
[18:45] <brli_> who also uses firefox and enabled client side decoration?
[18:48] <tomreyn> !smart | brenster21
[18:48] <tomreyn> brenster21: if smart data can't be read while it's an external device, remove its enclosure and connect it directly.
[18:49] <Gallomimia> most external drives have smart enabled too. in fact an external drive these days is usually just a USB-SATA bridge and a pretty case.
[18:50] <brenster21> I keep getting this error smartcl1 requires a device name. command i am using is sudo smartctl -d /dev/sdf any ideas?
[18:50] <sarnold> brenster21: I'd try smartctl -x /dev/disk/by-id/...
[18:51] <sarnold> brenster21: aha, remove the -d
[18:51] <sarnold> -a and -x are more common
[18:51] <brenster21> when i dont use the d. i get an error
[18:52] <tomreyn> feel free to tell us which error you get
[18:52] <brenster21> unkown usb bridge please specify with -d
[18:53] <tomreyn> try -d test
[18:54] <ioria> afaik not all the usb devices are supported by smart
[18:54] <brenster21> so sudo smartctl -d test /dev/sdf? that gives unknown bridge
[18:55] <tomreyn> yes that's what i meant. you may need to try with a newer smartmontools version
[18:55] <brenster21> will go update it
[18:55] <brenster21> tomreyn is there an alternative to smart?
[18:56] <tomreyn> not that i know of
[18:56] <brenster21> :(
[18:56] <brenster21> so i update drive database?
[18:56] <becool> anyone using elasticsearch for log storage and mining?
[18:56] <tomreyn> yes, but i think this effectively means upgrading smartmontools
[18:56] <tomreyn> brenster21: ^
[18:57] <brenster21> how do i update the smartmontools?
[18:57] <tomreyn> !server | becool: please don't poll, ask specific questions. also
[18:58] <tomreyn> brenster21: which ubuntu version are you running there?
[18:58] <brenster21> 16.04
[18:59] <tomreyn> there doesn't seem to be a !snap, look for a !ppa then
[19:00] <brenster21> !ppa ?
[19:00] <ioria> https://launchpad.net/~cematinla/+archive/ubuntu/bisnext
[19:01] <ioria> 6.4 > 6.5 not worth it maybe
[19:01] <tomreyn> !ppa | brenster21
[19:01] <tomreyn> you can also use the 18.04.2 desktop live iso.
[19:02] <tomreyn> or 19.04's
[19:02] <brenster21> installing now
[19:02] <tomreyn> here's a 7.0 backport https://launchpad.net/~bo-vircio/+archive/ubuntu/backports?field.series_filter=xenial
[19:03] <brenster21> thank you just installed the one ioria gave me
[19:03] <ioria> brenster21, you can try badblocks but what tomreyn looks better
[19:04] <ioria> *posted
[19:04] <brenster21> okay i installed it tomreyn now i try the command again?
[19:05] <PuercoPop> Why would networkmanager request the to be assigned the same IP even after it has received DHCPNAK from the router?
[19:05] <tomreyn> brenster21: sudo smartctl -x /dev/disk/by-id/...
[19:05] <brenster21> do i write by-id and then the number or just the number?
[19:06] <tomreyn> brenster21: write "/dev/disk/by-id/" then press tab twice, find the correct target, type it.
[19:08] <BuffaloWingVapor> Let say I've added additional mounts to fstab but left existing mounts the same. If I now run "sudo mount -a", will it disrupt an active rsync on a volume that's already mounted?
[19:11] <tomreyn> BuffaloWingVapor: possibly, why woud you need to run "mount -a"?
[19:12] <lapidary> I upgraded to ubuntu 19.04; but I want to run the old version of myth; as my server is not upgraded yet.  how should I do that?
[19:12] <BuffaloWingVapor> @tomreyn: well I've added four more mounts to fstab. I suppose I could mount them individually from CLI, for now.
[19:13] <tomreyn> PuercoPop: it may assume that the server thinks that the lease has expired or it may have moved to a different subnet, where this address would be suiotable.
[19:14] <tomreyn> BuffaloWingVapor: this sounds like an acceptable effort to me if it ensures you'll prevent such and other risks.
[19:15] <BuffaloWingVapor> @tomreyn: Would it cause problems if I suspend the rsync, run "mount -a", and then resume the (rsync) job?
[19:17] <tomreyn> BuffaloWingVapor: it may try to mount already mounted file systems. i wouldn't recommend it.
[19:17] <tomreyn> BuffaloWingVapor: the time you are spending here to ask these questions is probably greater than manually mounting four file systems.
[19:18] <ioria> BuffaloWingVapor, don't you think that depends on the mount points ?
[19:19] <tomreyn> lapidary: i don't know what "myth" is, is it not backwards-compatible?
[19:19] <BuffaloWingVapor> @tomreyn: True--LOL. I wasn't just asking to be lazy, though: I was trying to understand better.
[19:21] <lapidary> mythbuntu is a DVR package, the front end needs to be the same version as the backend.  I had hoped I could snap install the older version but no luck
[19:22] <lapidary> tomreyn, I think I need to download the source for the version I want
[19:22] <tomreyn> lapidary: maybe there's a backport for the client version you can install on the server. generally, we only support software in ubuntu here.
[19:23] <PuercoPop> tomreyn: is there a way to make dhclient ask for a different instead?
[19:24] <lapidary> tomreyn, I'll accept your anser and try to upgrade the server rahter than downgrade my dekstop
[19:24] <lapidary> ty
[19:25] <tomreyn> PuercoPop: what'S the issue you're actually trying to solve there? is dhclient, as initiated by network manager, constantly requesting the same ip address?
[19:25] <tomreyn> lapidary: good luck!
[19:27] <PuercoPop> tomreyn: yes, and for some reason starting today I'm getting DHCPNAK consistently so NetworkManager gets stuck 'Configuring IP Address' and I can't connect to the internet
[19:29] <ioria> PuercoPop, set it static
[19:29] <tomreyn> lapidary: see the official flavours for 19.04 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseNotes#Official_flavours  and 18.04 LTS https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Official_flavours  (both of which do not list Mythbuntu - there are also no Mythbuntu installers newer than 16.04)
[19:30] <tomreyn> PuercoPop: i'd personally just remove the NM profile and recreate it. that's not proper debugging but it may be a fast solution.
[19:30] <lapidary> humm... Guess it's time to make it ubuntu :-)  that makes me more comofrtable about messing with it
[19:31] <PuercoPop> tomreyn: what do you mean? Where are profiles stored? I've tried deleting the information in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[19:32] <BuffaloWingVapor> @tomreyn: essentially, the more general question is how the "-a" switch for the "mount" command affects in-process file operations involving existing mounts (when changes have been made to fstab that don't involve the existing mounts). The man is unclear on this.
[19:32] <ioria> PuercoPop, NM it's a gui app
[19:33] <PuercoPop> ioria: there is nm-applet, nm-cli, afaik
[19:34] <ioria> PuercoPop, yes, use that
[19:34] <noln> BuffaloWingVapor, a prog asks for a handle to the file (called file descriptor), then it reads/writes through the handle, then asks for disposing the handle.
[19:34] <ioria> PuercoPop, or nm-connection-editor
[19:34] <tomreyn> PuercoPop: there are system connections and there are per user connections. system connections are stored in files in the location you discovered, user connections are stored in a gconf DB
[19:35] <noln> BuffaloWingVapor, Therefore, in your case, when a prog tries to access a file again  through the pathname (asking a file descriptor) it will see the new file. Otherwise it works with the already existing descriptor, pointing to the old mount.
[19:36] <tomreyn> BuffaloWingVapor: i'm not sure whether -a may attempt to mount already mounted file systems. i think it can (at least in some situations), and i would therefore not recommend using it when those file systems are already mounted. your mileage may differ, and this is the most precise answer i am personally able to provide.
[19:39] <BuffaloWingVapor> @noln: interesting. Thanks for the description. @tomreyn: no worries--I appreciate your help.
[19:40] <tomreyn> brenster21: any luck on smartmontools?
[19:40] <tomreyn> you're welcome, BuffaloWingVapor
[19:40] <noln> man 2 open
[19:40] <brenster21> none
[19:40] <brenster21> probably going to give up
[19:41] <tomreyn> brenster21: so did you verify you hve v7.0 installed now, and what happened when you accessed your external storage with it?
[19:41] <PuercoPop> ioria: tomreyn: I tried deleting the connection with nm-connection-editor and it didn't work. However I saw I could configure it manually there. So I did that and it works now. Thanks! It is good enough for now. Do you have any recommendation of what I should look into for a long term solution?
[19:42] <ioria> PuercoPop, reset your router
[19:42] <brenster21> tomreyn how do I verify it?
[19:42] <tomreyn> PuercoPop: if it happens again, inspect the profile you have there before deleting it. it sounds like this profile came with a static ip address assignment
[19:43] <tomreyn> brenster21: smartctl --version
[19:44] <brenster21> hm stuck on 6.5
[19:45] <tomreyn> brenster21: !pastebin this:   sudo apt update && apt policy smartmontools
[19:45] <brenster21> will do
[19:47] <brenster21> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dcB3ByVJ4M/
[19:47] <PuercoPop> it may be possible that it is the router to blame. I remember having to configure my wife's windows machine to use static assignment as well a while back.
[19:48] <ioria> brenster21, different issue there
[19:49] <tomreyn> brenster21: that's the output from the first command only, the second one did not run because && ensures it won't be if the first one returned errors. and it did. those write errors need to be examined further.
[19:50] <tomreyn> brenster21: does     df -h /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/    suggest that this file system has run full?
[19:50] <brenster21> i got 84 percent used
[19:52] <ioria> brenster21, you might need to rm  /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*  and run sudo apt update
[19:53]  * tomreyn concurs
[19:53] <ioria> brenster21, sudo apt-get clean  too
[19:54]  * uRock abstains
[19:56] <tomreyn> brenster21: does this help then?
[19:56] <brenster21> trying it now
[19:56] <brenster21> no such file or directory for var lib
[19:57] <tomreyn> please show the exact command you ran and the output that was returned
[19:57] <brenster21> sudo rm  /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*
[19:57] <brenster21> rm: cannot remove '/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*': No such file or directory
[19:57] <tomreyn> maybe you ran it twice?
[19:58] <brenster21> maybe, then i ran clean.
[19:59] <tomreyn> brenster21: now:   sudo apt update |& pastebinit
[20:00] <tomreyn> this should return a http address you can post here
[20:00] <tomreyn> or an error message saying that pastebinit is not installed.
[20:00] <brenster21> probably the error message
[20:01] <tomreyn> then do this:   sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[20:05] <ioria> brenster21, if sudo does not work, use  'sudo -i' and then rm and update
[20:05] <brenster21> https://termbin.com/171a
[20:06] <tomreyn> "483 [packages to be] upgraded, 6 [packages to be] newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not [needing to be] upgraded."
[20:07] <tomreyn> you're very much behind on updates
[20:07] <brenster21> damn
[20:07] <tomreyn> but you can solve this later
[20:07] <tomreyn> brenster21:   sudo apt-cache policy smartmontools 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:08] <tomreyn> actually no need for sudo there, but it also doesn't hurt
[20:09] <brenster21> ran
[20:10] <tomreyn> and returned a http address?
[20:10] <brenster21> https://termbin.com/hgt0
[20:10] <tomreyn> hmm you have a mix of ubuntu xenial and debian jessie package sources there
[20:10] <brenster21> i do?
[20:10] <tomreyn> search for "jessie" on https://termbin.com/171a
[20:11] <brenster21> what does jessie mean?
[20:11] <tomreyn> brenster21: sudo apt purge smartmontools && sudo apt install smartmontools=7.0-0ubuntu1~vircio~xenial~ppa1 && sudo apt-cache policy smartmontools 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:12] <tomreyn> this is to replace your current smartmontools version by 7.0
[20:13] <tomreyn> brenster21: "jessie" is the code name of a debian gnu/linux release. a different linux distribution.
[20:13] <tomreyn> !debian
[20:14] <tomreyn> there are rare exceptions for 3rd party repositories where this is actually acceptable. but you'd need to check this for yourself, we only support ubuntu's repositories here.
[20:15] <brenster21> i think there is a reason for it, just cant remember why
[20:15] <brenster21> might have eben for sonarr/radarr/ombi/ rutorrent or something
[20:15]  * brenster21 shrugs
[20:16] <tomreyn> did you finish upgrading smartmontools, yet?
[20:16] <brenster21> no
[20:16] <brenster21> 50
[20:18] <tomreyn> i assume %? ok, type tomreyn when you're done.
[20:18] <brenster21> tomreyn https://termbin.com/uv9g
[20:19] <tomreyn> brenster21: so smartmontools 7.0 is now installed.    sudo smartctl -x /dev/disk/by-id/       then press tab twice, find the correct target, type it, press enter. when it ran, show the full output on a pastebin.
[20:20] <tomreyn> (and type my name again here)
[20:20] <brenster21> now to find the target
[20:21] <tomreyn> is this a question?
[20:23] <brenster21> tomreyn unable to detect device type
[20:23] <brenster21> no
[20:23] <tomreyn> brenster21: that's certainly not the full output
[20:24] <tomreyn> also show the command you were running, please
[20:24] <brenster21> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/BBwwKTDRgd/
[20:25] <tomreyn> brenster21: what does this return?   readlink -f /dev/disk/by-id/usb-WD_easystore_25FB_564A47524B355858-0
[20:26] <brenster21>  this /dev/disk/by-id/usb-WD_easystore_25FB_564A47524B355858-0
[20:27] <tomreyn> hmm okay, i guess it works different on 16.04 than on 18.04 then.
[20:27] <brenster21> guess so
[20:28] <tomreyn> brenster21: what's the reason you want to check the health of this drive? did it behave unreliably lately?
[20:28] <brenster21> just to be safe, I was planning on moving all my tv shows there so i could have a dedicated tv drive and do it with movies since sonarr/radarr are giving me hiccups
[20:29] <tomreyn> brenster21: also disconnect this drive off this usb port, disconnect all other usb devices you do not strictly need right now, then connect this usb device to a different usb port - as far away as possible from the one it was in. then try smartctl again
[20:29] <brenster21> cant do that
[20:29] <brenster21> no physical access :(
[20:29] <OerHeks> smartmon depends on the controller in the usb device, AFAIK, not all all sane/transparant
[20:29] <brenster21> ah i did not know that
[20:30] <tomreyn> the usb bridge seems to be the issue, but it's also possible that its just underpowered and would work better on a different usb port
[20:30] <tomreyn> are you able to write files to it and read them back?
[20:30] <brenster21> alright then, i will give that a try
[20:31] <brenster21> i believe so
[20:31]  * brenster21 is honestly trying to put off sorting 7 tb worth of tv shows :P
[20:31] <tomreyn> if you can transfer files fine in and out then it's probably realyl the usb bridge.
[20:32] <tomreyn> nothing we can do then unless you'll disassemble the storage off the enclosure and it happens to have a sata connector and you connect it to a sata bus.
[20:32] <brenster21> alright then
[20:32] <brenster21> cant do that right now, thank you for your help today
[20:33] <tomreyn> on many modern drives, removing drives from enclosures is not reversable.
[20:33] <tomreyn> and some have proprietary connectors on the storage which you won't be able to fit on the sata bus
[20:34] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[20:35] <brenster21> bye
[20:35] <brenster21> :)
[20:35] <OerHeks> have fun!
[20:35] <brenster21> i will keep that in mind
[21:09] <[rg]> hello, where can I find the service file for emacs?
[21:11] <OerHeks> as user, ~/.config/systemd/user/emacs.service
[21:12] <OerHeks> easy to find with bing, google i do not know https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsAsDaemon
[21:13] <[rg]> OerHeks: it says if installed normally it should be already on the system, it was on fedora
[21:13] <[rg]> just wodnering if it was in another package
[21:15] <OerHeks> fedora?
[21:39] <vimar> Hi
[21:39] <uRock> !hi
[21:40] <vimar> how You doing uRock ?
[21:41] <uRock> !hello
[21:41] <uRock> Alive.... What's up?
[21:42] <jeremy31> vimar: This chat is for Ubuntu support, do you have a support issue?
[21:43] <saor> I like beans
[21:44] <uRock> on tacos?
[21:44] <Atomix26> Hey, so I've been having an issue with HDMI audio for a while. My HDMI audio displays as a device when I use aplay, but it isn't listed through alsamixer
[21:45] <OerHeks> alsamixer > F6 device
[21:45] <Atomix26> no, like
[21:45] <Atomix26> its not there in alsamixer
[21:45] <Atomix26> hold on, lemme make some screenshots
[21:46] <OerHeks> just one of the F6 menu
[21:48] <Atomix26> https://i.imgur.com/eKYGDuD.png
[21:48] <Atomix26> apologies, what you want is in the very middle
[21:49] <Atomix26> ok something really super weird happened
[21:50] <Atomix26> long story short, my laptop decided to go into sleep mode because of power things
[21:50] <Atomix26> and when it came back on, I had audio mounted on my tv
[21:50] <Atomix26> like I already had HDMI audio selected in audio, but nothing was coming out
[21:53] <Atomix26> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75985
[21:53] <Atomix26> I think I've been having this bug
[21:54] <Atomix26> approximately
[21:55] <Atomix26> no
[21:55] <Atomix26> eh. I have a solution now, time to science it
[22:06] <popsch> is there a way to use xmodmap to bind a key to two modifiers? I want the capslock key to be like pressing ctrl_l + shift_l
[22:18] <sarnold> popsch: hmm, I can't recall ever seeing that before, and I'm not seeing any references to that in the xkbcomp, setxkbmap, xmodmap, xkeyboard-config manpages..
[22:32] <pragmaticenigma> popsch: I can't find any documentation either for setting one key to emulate the pushing of two/multiple keys. The best I can can think of is maybe assigning the key press to a macro
[22:35] <popsch> what I now did is that I assigned it the Hyper_L key and made Mod3 to be Hyper_L
[22:35] <popsch> this way I can at least bind some unique combos to it
[22:40] <Evil-Bob> hello there, i need a little help I"m trying to put together a script that calls on xinput.  I have a ps4 controller.  when i plug it in it has a diffent Name in xinput then it does when it's on blue tooth.  what i'm trying to accomplish is to have it not fuction as a mouse after i run this script but to resume if it's ran again.  i've come up with something that works.  but it only works for the "bluetooth mode"
[22:41] <Evil-Bob> this is what i have so far https://pastebin.com/DZ7F6Fij like i said it works but only for the "Wireless controller" I wrote another one calling he sony name in xinput --list how can i combine them?
[22:43] <Sven_vB> are there other efficient methods except inotify, to have a process that sleeps until a certain file is deleted?
[22:44] <tomreyn> the other option is checking whether it exists in regular intervals.
[22:44] <Sven_vB> thanks!
[22:44] <Gerowen> I would think you could use an if statement in conjunction with a sleep timer to check if a file exists, and if it doesn't, do something.  So check if it exists, if it does, wait X time, check again, if it doesn't, do something.
[22:45] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, oh wait, did you mean the "only" other option?
[22:45] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: the only other option besidesinotify that i personally know of.
[22:45] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, ok. :) then I'll stay around in case someone else knows another.
[22:48] <pragmaticenigma> Evil-Bob: There is no way to really "cobime" them as the state flag only has two possible outputs. What you would need to do is figure out which device is active. Using the state check to set another variable that could hold a more meaningful value.
[22:48] <pragmaticenigma> Then use the variable with the more meaningful value to run your disable scripts
[22:48] <Sven_vB> maybe I can use processes instead. can a child process whose stdin is a pipe to its parent, detect when its parent closed the parent side of the pipe, even if it doesn't send actual input data?
[22:49] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: Pipes are typically one way... the send, no recieve
[22:50] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, yeah the only thing I want to signal is the parent closing its pipe. I don't need any input data so far.
[22:50] <Sven_vB> the parent process keeps running after that btw
[22:50] <Evil-Bob> thanks. well I know the device active depends on rather or not the controller is plugged in. if it's not and running off bluetooth it's the 'Wireless Controller" if it's plugged in it's Sony Interactive Entertainment Wireless Controller
[22:51] <Sven_vB> maybe I should just spawn a netcat shell and observe /proc/sekf
[22:51] <Sven_vB> */proc/self/fd
[22:52] <Evil-Bob> so what i have now is two copys of that pasted script one with device="Wireless Contoller" and the other device='Sony Interactive Entertainment Wireless Controller'
[22:53] <Evil-Bob> I should be able to have device1 and 2 right?
[22:53] <Evil-Bob> could i use a wild card or something to get pull Wireless controler out of xinput --list?
[22:54] <pragmaticenigma> Evil-Bob: make one script, and create two variables state_wireless and state_sony... using the correct "device" to set each one... then you can read those states and determine the appropriate action you would like to send to xinput for disabling and enabling
[22:54] <sarnold> Sven_vB: I believe that if you've got a unix socket between two processes, it will return as "won't block" on reads or writes on select() or poll() -- double-check before going too far down this route, but I'm pretty sure I've read that it would work :)
[22:55] <Evil-Bob> thanks for the help! i'll give it a shot and let you know if the thing toggles the way i want. i shall combime them yet!
[22:57] <Sven_vB> sarnold, oh right I think with select() there's a difference between no data and close.
[22:57] <Sven_vB> sarnold, thanks!
[22:58] <truexfan81> on 19.04 if i create an xorg.conf.d directory in /etc/X11 will it use configs that i put in there?
[23:00] <sarnold> Sven_vB: I think I read it in the context of "don't assume that select() returning your fd means it has data to read, it just meant that there was a moment when it wouldn't *block*"
[23:01] <pragmaticenigma> Evil-Bob: Take a look at this: https://pastebin.com/56KwAHf4 NOTE!!! I have not tested or verified this code, use at your own risk
[23:03] <OerHeks> truexfan81, that is the idea, yes.
[23:05] <Evil-Bob> thanks a lot.
[23:10] <Bashing-om> truexfan81: Think the docs now point to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ .
[23:10] <Ryvius> Has anyone else experienced that your Firefox theme gets disabled on every restart?
[23:13] <Evil-Bob> damnit i keep getting almost there
[23:18] <sarnold> Bashing-om: /etc/X11 is mentioned like a dozen times before /usr/share/X11/ is mentioned: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man5/xorg.conf.5.html
[23:19] <Moule_Noir> Whats up everyone?
[23:19] <tomreyn> also on http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/disco/man5/xorg.conf.5.html ( truexfan81 was asking about disco )
[23:20] <Evil-Bob> hello Moule_Noir!
[23:20] <Moule_Noir> You use i3wm?
[23:21] <Evil-Bob> I do not. i'm assuming that it's a windows manager?
[23:21] <Moule_Noir> I can't get burp suite to work with i3wm, but works if i sign in to Ubuntu
[23:21] <Moule_Noir> yeah a windows manager
[23:21] <tomreyn> truexfan81: be sure to call these files .conf, or they might be ignored
[23:22] <Evil-Bob> sorry bro not very helpful in that regard
[23:22] <Moule_Noir> no worries
[23:26] <Evil-Bob> Moule_Noir, i've googled a bit, it should just work. whats wrong?
[23:29] <Evil-Bob> all you need is java from what i've read
[23:30] <truexfan81> turns out my xorg.conf setup was correct, my issue was a gnome-settings problem, all is as good as it can be for now
[23:31] <Bashing-om> truexfan81: :D
[23:32] <truexfan81> only thing i can do now that would improve the display stuff would be to spend $400 or so and switch from nvidia to amd
[23:32] <pragmaticenigma> truexfan81: I had to sign out for a moment, would you mind repeating the issue you're experiencing?
[23:33] <truexfan81> issue i'm experiencing is the well known one when running nvidia and more than one display, having to choose between video tearing or video judder
[23:34] <truexfan81> pipeline off = video tearing, pipeline on= video judder
[23:34] <truexfan81> to me both are equally annoying
[23:35] <pragmaticenigma> truexfan81: hmm, not familiar with that one...
[23:36] <pragmaticenigma> !pm | saor
[23:36] <saor> I didnt ask you a question related to this channel you weirdo
[23:38] <pragmaticenigma> saor: I don't read or accept PMs...
[23:38] <Evil-Bob> it's not often you hear weirdo,  but now  i really want to know what was asked
[23:38] <saor> I literally just asked if he was the same person who uses that nick in another net
[23:38] <saor> lol
[23:38] <Evil-Bob> pragmaticenigma, by the way with your help i've fixed my issue.thank you
[23:39] <pragmaticenigma> you're welcome Evil-Bob
[23:40] <Evil-Bob> i abondoned the whole name thing and just used xinput id. i realized that doesn't change rather or not the controller is plugged in.
[23:41] <pragmaticenigma> Evil-Bob: Probably a better plan, names can and do change as developers work on drivers or better identification methods for the device. Typically the hardware IDs don't
[23:42] <Evil-Bob> sudo mow my lawn