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| Unit193 | jphilipz: I think you're comparing Xubuntu to the wrong OSes. As an Xfce user, I'd have no interest in using GNOME and some might point out that Win 7 is going EOL in Jan, perhaps Manjaro Xfce or Fedora Xfce could be of more interest? :> | 20:41 |
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| Unit193 | But perhaps others disagree with me, so there's that. | 20:42 |
| jphilipz | Unit193: i've listed possibly 7 other xfce distros other than xubuntu in my initial email | 20:45 |
| jphilipz | manjaro, linux mint xfce, linux lite, MX, Enso, GalliumOS, Galore, Swag Arch | 20:47 |
| Unit193 | Ah right, so you did. 27px, that's an interesting choice... | 20:47 |
| jphilipz | yep i found 27px that to be quite strange | 20:48 |
| Unit193 | And might be better off ignoring Fedora Xfce, I think they might be pretty clsoe to defaults (looking at screenshots) | 20:48 |
| jphilipz | never heard people recommending fedora as a good xfce implementation to check out else i could have tested it as well | 20:49 |
| Unit193 | https://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/ no, it looks pretty close to Xfce defaults to me. | 20:50 |
| jphilipz | is the xfce default 24? | 20:53 |
| jphilipz | i am aware that fedora had an xfce spin, just saying that i never heard people recommend their xfce implementation | 20:55 |
| Unit193 | https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tree/migrate/default.xml.in#n13 ...Well that's, huh. | 20:56 |
| Unit193 | jphilipz: I may only know it exists because former Xubuntu contributors moved on to there, or at least one did. | 20:57 |
| jphilipz | Unit193: so xubuntu is lower than xfce default. lol. | 20:57 |
| jphilipz | tested galore and gallium as i recently heard that they were based on xubuntu | 20:58 |
| jphilipz | but hadnt heard about them before that | 20:58 |
| Unit193 | Manjaro is the other one that's entirely unrelated to Xubuntu and has a good setup. | 20:58 |
| jphilipz | yep i was hearing about manjaro's setup on podcasts and youtube videos | 20:59 |
| jphilipz | heard lots of hype behind MX and wanted to try it out | 21:00 |
| brainwash | https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tree/migrate/default.xml.in?h=xfce-4.12#n12 | 21:00 |
| brainwash | used to be 30 | 21:01 |
| jphilipz | well linux lite is using 4.12, so maybe thats why its on 30px | 21:02 |
| Unit193 | (I personally like a small panel) | 21:03 |
| jphilipz | so the current default? | 21:03 |
| jphilipz | 28px is still small | 21:03 |
| jphilipz | what screen rez are you on? | 21:04 |
| brainwash | 32 is the minimum I'd say | 21:07 |
| brainwash | if one still has a small screen or just wants a slim panel, simply lower it | 21:07 |
| brainwash | from my experience the average user wants slightly bigger panels, fonts, icons, etc. | 21:10 |
| brainwash | comparable to how websites work | 21:11 |
| ondondil | I always increase the panel size to 30 px. Even tabs in Firefox have 28px in compact mode. | 21:14 |
| Spass[m] | yeah, I typically have my panel set to 28-30px (but I also have it on the bottom, not top, if that's relevant) | 21:21 |
| Spass[m] | I guess Ubuntu Budgie screenshots could be a reference on how the bigger top panel looks - https://ubuntubudgie.org/portfolio/screenshots | 21:23 |
| Spass[m] | from what I can see it's 34px, so little too much imho | 21:24 |
| jphilipz | Spass[m]: mine also on the bottom :D | 21:25 |
| jphilipz | Windows refugee | 21:25 |
| Spass[m] | but keeping that comparison with ubuntu budgie, their panel isn't even used for window buttons / taskbar, Xubuntu panel is, so probably we have a bigger reason to make it slightly bigger than 24px to make the system more "usable" | 21:26 |
| Spass[m] | I know that many will disagree with that statement | 21:27 |
| jphilipz | ubuntu mate uses 28px for top and bottom - https://ubuntu-mate.org/gallery/Screenshots/01_familiar.png | 21:27 |
| Spass[m] | I would be happy even with 26px in Xubuntu 19.10 tbh :) I'd call it a step in the right direction | 21:28 |
| jphilipz | unfortunately with the new panel algo, 26px has 16x16 icons | 21:28 |
| jphilipz | with the old algo in 18.04, 26px would have 22x22 icons | 21:29 |
| Spass[m] | hmm, you can set the icon size, within the plugins' settings | 21:29 |
| Spass[m] | I think it's 22 by default, no matter what panel size you set | 21:30 |
| Spass[m] | am I missing something? | 21:30 |
| jphilipz | yep thats true, but then people adjusting the panel height would never see the icons increase | 21:30 |
| Spass[m] | well, I think that tray icons shouldn't be bigger than 22px | 21:31 |
| Spass[m] | even on 32px panel | 21:31 |
| Spass[m] | big tray / status icons look baaad | 21:32 |
| ondondil | at 40px panel small icons look bad | 21:33 |
| ondondil | it's all opinions | 21:33 |
| Spass[m] | true | 21:33 |
| Spass[m] | I mean, I would still prefer 22px tray even at 40px panel ;) but like you said, just an opinion | 21:34 |
| jphilipz | here are mine with a 32px panel - http://i.imgur.com/5AXqzgt.png | 21:34 |
| jphilipz | 22px look fine in my opinion. i think windows with its 40px panel also has small tray icons | 21:35 |
| Spass[m] | yeah | 21:36 |
| ondondil | i'm fine with either as long as there is an option to change it | 21:36 |
| Spass[m] | I'm just the type of guy who has an OCD about the tray icons, they all have to me 22px max and monochrome :) https://i.imgur.com/kWt2Y8T.png | 21:37 |
| Spass[m] | otherwise it looks ugly and "unprofessional", for me | 21:38 |
| Unit193 | So, no eyes in your panel. | 21:38 |
| Spass[m] | heh, nope | 21:39 |
| jphilipz | monochorome looks quite nice | 21:39 |
| jphilipz | is there a way to force that? | 21:39 |
| Spass[m] | I had them for a while on Debian Lenny tho.... good times | 21:39 |
| Spass[m] | it's the icon theme job, and unfortunately there are many applications that have hard-coded panel icons :/ | 21:40 |
| Spass[m] | so yeah, fight with the windmills | 21:41 |
| Spass[m] | but so far elementary-xfce icon set is making pretty good job with "monochromifying" the tray | 21:42 |
| Spass[m] | so that's great | 21:43 |
| ondondil | unless you set statusnotifier icon size > 24px | 21:44 |
| jphilipz | windows 7 notification icons are 16x16 | 21:46 |
| Spass[m] | well, I think nobody here wants to make them smaller than 22px on Xubuntu | 21:47 |
| Spass[m] | no reason to do so imho, 22px is a good value | 21:48 |
| jphilipz | 22px definitely is good | 21:52 |
| jphilipz | though the battery and notification icons seem quite big compared to the rest - https://i.imgur.com/FabVpJ1.png | 21:57 |
| jphilipz | Unit193: what size do you have yours at? | 22:01 |
| Unit193 | 22 | 22:09 |
| jphilipz | interesting. what resolution are you on? | 22:11 |
| Unit193 | Depends, unfortunately the netbook for example is at 1366x768. | 22:14 |
| jphilipz | Unit193: do you use 22 also on high resolutions like 1440x900 or 1080p? | 22:37 |
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