[20:41] <Unit193> jphilipz: I think you're comparing Xubuntu to the wrong OSes.  As an Xfce user, I'd have no interest in using GNOME and some might point out that Win 7 is going EOL in Jan, perhaps Manjaro Xfce or Fedora Xfce could be of more interest? :>
[20:42] <Unit193> But perhaps others disagree with me, so there's that.
[20:45] <jphilipz> Unit193: i've listed possibly 7 other xfce distros other than xubuntu in my initial email
[20:47] <jphilipz> manjaro, linux mint xfce, linux lite, MX, Enso, GalliumOS, Galore, Swag Arch
[20:47] <Unit193> Ah right, so you did.  27px, that's an interesting choice...
[20:48] <jphilipz> yep i found 27px that to be quite strange
[20:48] <Unit193> And might be better off ignoring Fedora Xfce, I think they might be pretty clsoe to defaults (looking at screenshots)
[20:49] <jphilipz> never heard people recommending fedora as a good xfce implementation to check out else i could have tested it as well
[20:50] <Unit193> https://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/ no, it looks pretty close to Xfce defaults to me.
[20:53] <jphilipz> is the xfce default 24?
[20:55] <jphilipz> i am aware that fedora had an xfce spin, just saying that i never heard people recommend their xfce implementation
[20:56] <Unit193> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tree/migrate/default.xml.in#n13 ...Well that's, huh.
[20:57] <Unit193> jphilipz: I may only know it exists because former Xubuntu contributors moved on to there, or at least one did.
[20:57] <jphilipz> Unit193: so xubuntu is lower than xfce default. lol.
[20:58] <jphilipz> tested galore and gallium as i recently heard that they were based on xubuntu
[20:58] <jphilipz> but hadnt heard about them before that
[20:58] <Unit193> Manjaro is the other one that's entirely unrelated to Xubuntu and has a good setup.
[20:59] <jphilipz> yep i was hearing about manjaro's setup on podcasts and youtube videos
[21:00] <jphilipz> heard lots of hype behind MX and wanted to try it out
[21:00] <brainwash> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tree/migrate/default.xml.in?h=xfce-4.12#n12
[21:01] <brainwash> used to be 30
[21:02] <jphilipz> well linux lite is using 4.12, so maybe thats why its on 30px
[21:03] <Unit193> (I personally like a small panel)
[21:03] <jphilipz> so the current default?
[21:03] <jphilipz> 28px is still small
[21:04] <jphilipz> what screen rez are you on?
[21:07] <brainwash> 32 is the minimum I'd say
[21:07] <brainwash> if one still has a small screen or just wants a slim panel, simply lower it
[21:10] <brainwash> from my experience the average user wants slightly bigger panels, fonts, icons, etc.
[21:11] <brainwash> comparable to how websites work
[21:14] <ondondil> I always increase the panel size to 30 px. Even tabs in Firefox have 28px in compact mode.
[21:21] <Spass[m]> yeah, I typically have my panel set to 28-30px (but I also have it on the bottom, not top, if that's relevant)
[21:23] <Spass[m]> I guess Ubuntu Budgie screenshots could be a reference on how the bigger top panel looks - https://ubuntubudgie.org/portfolio/screenshots
[21:24] <Spass[m]> from what I can see it's 34px, so little too much imho
[21:25] <jphilipz> Spass[m]: mine also on the bottom :D
[21:25] <jphilipz> Windows refugee
[21:26] <Spass[m]> but keeping that comparison with ubuntu budgie, their panel isn't even used for window buttons / taskbar, Xubuntu panel is, so probably we have a bigger reason to make it slightly bigger than 24px to make the system more "usable"
[21:27] <Spass[m]> I know that many will disagree with that statement
[21:27] <jphilipz> ubuntu mate uses 28px for top and bottom - https://ubuntu-mate.org/gallery/Screenshots/01_familiar.png
[21:28] <Spass[m]> I would be happy even with 26px in Xubuntu 19.10 tbh :) I'd call it a step in the right direction
[21:28] <jphilipz> unfortunately with the new panel algo, 26px has 16x16 icons
[21:29] <jphilipz> with the old algo in 18.04, 26px would have 22x22 icons
[21:29] <Spass[m]> hmm, you can set the icon size, within the plugins' settings
[21:30] <Spass[m]> I think it's 22 by default, no matter what panel size you set
[21:30] <Spass[m]> am I missing something?
[21:30] <jphilipz> yep thats true, but then people adjusting the panel height would never see the icons increase
[21:31] <Spass[m]> well, I think that tray icons shouldn't be bigger than 22px
[21:31] <Spass[m]> even on 32px panel
[21:32] <Spass[m]> big tray / status icons look baaad
[21:33] <ondondil> at 40px panel small icons look bad
[21:33] <ondondil> it's all opinions
[21:33] <Spass[m]> true
[21:34] <Spass[m]> I mean, I would still prefer 22px tray even at 40px panel ;) but like you said, just an opinion
[21:34] <jphilipz> here are mine with a 32px panel - http://i.imgur.com/5AXqzgt.png
[21:35] <jphilipz> 22px look fine in my opinion. i think windows with its 40px panel also has small tray icons
[21:36] <Spass[m]> yeah
[21:36] <ondondil> i'm fine with either as long as there is an option to change it
[21:37] <Spass[m]> I'm just the type of guy who has an OCD about the tray icons, they all have to me 22px max and monochrome :) https://i.imgur.com/kWt2Y8T.png
[21:38] <Spass[m]> otherwise it looks ugly and "unprofessional", for me
[21:38] <Unit193> So, no eyes in your panel.
[21:39] <Spass[m]> heh, nope
[21:39] <jphilipz> monochorome looks quite nice
[21:39] <jphilipz> is there a way to force that?
[21:39] <Spass[m]> I had them for a while on Debian Lenny tho.... good times
[21:40] <Spass[m]> it's the icon theme job, and unfortunately there are many applications that have hard-coded panel icons :/
[21:41] <Spass[m]> so yeah, fight with the windmills
[21:42] <Spass[m]> but so far elementary-xfce icon set is making pretty good job with "monochromifying" the tray
[21:43] <Spass[m]> so that's great
[21:44] <ondondil> unless you set statusnotifier icon size > 24px
[21:46] <jphilipz> windows 7 notification icons are 16x16
[21:47] <Spass[m]> well, I think nobody here wants to make them smaller than 22px on Xubuntu
[21:48] <Spass[m]> no reason to do so imho, 22px is a good value
[21:52] <jphilipz> 22px definitely is good
[21:57] <jphilipz> though the battery and notification icons seem quite big compared to the rest - https://i.imgur.com/FabVpJ1.png
[22:01] <jphilipz> Unit193: what size do you have yours at?
[22:09] <Unit193> 22
[22:11] <jphilipz> interesting. what resolution are you on?
[22:14] <Unit193> Depends, unfortunately the netbook for example is at 1366x768.
[22:37] <jphilipz> Unit193: do you use 22 also on high resolutions like 1440x900 or 1080p?