=== brainwash_ is now known as brainwash === jphilips is now known as jphilipz [20:41] jphilipz: I think you're comparing Xubuntu to the wrong OSes. As an Xfce user, I'd have no interest in using GNOME and some might point out that Win 7 is going EOL in Jan, perhaps Manjaro Xfce or Fedora Xfce could be of more interest? :> [20:42] But perhaps others disagree with me, so there's that. [20:45] Unit193: i've listed possibly 7 other xfce distros other than xubuntu in my initial email [20:47] manjaro, linux mint xfce, linux lite, MX, Enso, GalliumOS, Galore, Swag Arch [20:47] Ah right, so you did. 27px, that's an interesting choice... [20:48] yep i found 27px that to be quite strange [20:48] And might be better off ignoring Fedora Xfce, I think they might be pretty clsoe to defaults (looking at screenshots) [20:49] never heard people recommending fedora as a good xfce implementation to check out else i could have tested it as well [20:50] https://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/ no, it looks pretty close to Xfce defaults to me. [20:53] is the xfce default 24? [20:55] i am aware that fedora had an xfce spin, just saying that i never heard people recommend their xfce implementation [20:56] https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tree/migrate/default.xml.in#n13 ...Well that's, huh. [20:57] jphilipz: I may only know it exists because former Xubuntu contributors moved on to there, or at least one did. [20:57] Unit193: so xubuntu is lower than xfce default. lol. [20:58] tested galore and gallium as i recently heard that they were based on xubuntu [20:58] but hadnt heard about them before that [20:58] Manjaro is the other one that's entirely unrelated to Xubuntu and has a good setup. [20:59] yep i was hearing about manjaro's setup on podcasts and youtube videos [21:00] heard lots of hype behind MX and wanted to try it out [21:00] https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tree/migrate/default.xml.in?h=xfce-4.12#n12 [21:01] used to be 30 [21:02] well linux lite is using 4.12, so maybe thats why its on 30px [21:03] (I personally like a small panel) [21:03] so the current default? [21:03] 28px is still small [21:04] what screen rez are you on? [21:07] 32 is the minimum I'd say [21:07] if one still has a small screen or just wants a slim panel, simply lower it [21:10] from my experience the average user wants slightly bigger panels, fonts, icons, etc. [21:11] comparable to how websites work [21:14] I always increase the panel size to 30 px. Even tabs in Firefox have 28px in compact mode. [21:21] yeah, I typically have my panel set to 28-30px (but I also have it on the bottom, not top, if that's relevant) [21:23] I guess Ubuntu Budgie screenshots could be a reference on how the bigger top panel looks - https://ubuntubudgie.org/portfolio/screenshots [21:24] from what I can see it's 34px, so little too much imho [21:25] Spass[m]: mine also on the bottom :D [21:25] Windows refugee [21:26] but keeping that comparison with ubuntu budgie, their panel isn't even used for window buttons / taskbar, Xubuntu panel is, so probably we have a bigger reason to make it slightly bigger than 24px to make the system more "usable" [21:27] I know that many will disagree with that statement [21:27] ubuntu mate uses 28px for top and bottom - https://ubuntu-mate.org/gallery/Screenshots/01_familiar.png [21:28] I would be happy even with 26px in Xubuntu 19.10 tbh :) I'd call it a step in the right direction [21:28] unfortunately with the new panel algo, 26px has 16x16 icons [21:29] with the old algo in 18.04, 26px would have 22x22 icons [21:29] hmm, you can set the icon size, within the plugins' settings [21:30] I think it's 22 by default, no matter what panel size you set [21:30] am I missing something? [21:30] yep thats true, but then people adjusting the panel height would never see the icons increase [21:31] well, I think that tray icons shouldn't be bigger than 22px [21:31] even on 32px panel [21:32] big tray / status icons look baaad [21:33] at 40px panel small icons look bad [21:33] it's all opinions [21:33] true [21:34] I mean, I would still prefer 22px tray even at 40px panel ;) but like you said, just an opinion [21:34] here are mine with a 32px panel - http://i.imgur.com/5AXqzgt.png [21:35] 22px look fine in my opinion. i think windows with its 40px panel also has small tray icons [21:36] yeah [21:36] i'm fine with either as long as there is an option to change it [21:37] I'm just the type of guy who has an OCD about the tray icons, they all have to me 22px max and monochrome :) https://i.imgur.com/kWt2Y8T.png [21:38] otherwise it looks ugly and "unprofessional", for me [21:38] So, no eyes in your panel. [21:39] heh, nope [21:39] monochorome looks quite nice [21:39] is there a way to force that? [21:39] I had them for a while on Debian Lenny tho.... good times [21:40] it's the icon theme job, and unfortunately there are many applications that have hard-coded panel icons :/ [21:41] so yeah, fight with the windmills [21:42] but so far elementary-xfce icon set is making pretty good job with "monochromifying" the tray [21:43] so that's great [21:44] unless you set statusnotifier icon size > 24px [21:46] windows 7 notification icons are 16x16 [21:47] well, I think nobody here wants to make them smaller than 22px on Xubuntu [21:48] no reason to do so imho, 22px is a good value [21:52] 22px definitely is good [21:57] though the battery and notification icons seem quite big compared to the rest - https://i.imgur.com/FabVpJ1.png [22:01] Unit193: what size do you have yours at? [22:09] 22 [22:11] interesting. what resolution are you on? [22:14] Depends, unfortunately the netbook for example is at 1366x768. [22:37] Unit193: do you use 22 also on high resolutions like 1440x900 or 1080p?