[00:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9acac55de408: Add link to command line tutroail] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9acac55de408
[00:32] <wxl> ooh calamares is in release
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: tags after successfully built on launchpad (i.e. on proposed) o …], Proposed
 As soon as it's accepted into proposed
 It doesn't have to build even
[01:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1449
[03:00] <guiverc> wxl, fyi:  calamares 3.2.11 install (on live), something-else into partition (no encryption) worked flawlessly
[03:02] <wxl> horray!
[03:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1451
[03:15] <guiverc> wxl, do you want me to try encrypted or other variations (unwilling to use entire disk sorry)
[03:18] <wxl> yes please guiverc 
[03:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1453
[03:19] <wxl> hey everyone: ( you'll appreciate this @The_LoudSpeaker ) fyi: LXQt session can restart services including lxqt-globalkeys. 
[03:43] <guiverc> observation: second install; on completion calamares has "restart now" box but I'm not getting the "eject disk/media" prior to reboot so it reboots into 'live' again... has this changed? (though i'll look again after next to ensure I'm not missing it)
[03:44] <wxl> i've heard rumours about that
[03:56] <wxl> guiverc: i just did one that wasn't FDE and i got the eject prompt
[03:59] <guiverc> wxl, just completed third on dell optiplex 780 (bios), NO eject prompt
[03:59] <wxl> guiverc: was that FDE?
[04:01] <guiverc> no full disk, replace-partition encrypted
[04:01] <wxl> i did a simple erase disk, no encryption
[04:02] <guiverc> my tests today have been manual-partition (partition), and replace-partition (no encrypt & encrypt)
[04:13] <wxl> can someone explain to me the exact differences between the four ppas in ~lubuntu-ci?
 @wxl [<wxl> can someone explain to me the exact differences between the four ppas in ~ …], The two -proposed PPAs are the raw output from the CI. stable is the latest version according to the changelog and unstable is the tip of upstream master.
 The two non-proposed PPAs are after Britney evaluates them.
 Take packages from the "release pocket" PPAs.
[04:32] <wxl[m]> Hm ok
 @wxl [<wxl> he's a support powerhouse], +1
 @wxl [<wxl> hey everyone: ( you'll appreciate this @The_LoudSpeaker ) fyi: LXQt sessio …], Noted. Thanks!
 Also, Sorry wasn't there for meet. Slept at 12. Woke up now.  … I don't have anything to say except that I tried the theme on my tv screen. It looks good imo. But I will run some more tests with different resolution settings.
 @wxl [<wxl> hey everyone: ( you'll appreciate this @The_LoudSpeaker ) fyi: LXQt sessio …], Wait you mean restarting the lxqt session i.e logging out and back in?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Wait you mean restarting the lxqt session i.e logging out and back in?], I think he means that if you go to the session "app" you can restart it from there, stop, start, disable autostart
[12:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1454
[13:12] <guiverc2> wxl, fyi: just shutdown (menu leave->shutdown) thinkpad [sl510] using 'live 19.10', no press.enter.to eject message; it just shutdown
 @HMollerCl [I think he means that if you go to the session "app" you can restart it from the …], Ack
 @lynorian there is a new papirus icon theme (from today)
[15:39] <wxl[m]> @tsimonq2 back to ci so stable is the latest release from upstream, even if our packages are behind? Also, why offer the pre-Britney PPAs publicly?
 @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> @tsimonq2 back to ci so stable is the latest release from upstream, eve …], stable is the latest release according to the changelog in the packaging. We can't *not* have those PPAs public
[17:47] <wxl> @tsimonq2: then what makes those any different from what we have in the archive? just that there may be packages in there that haven't been uploaded?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: then what makes those any different from what we have in the ar …], Right. Sometimes we bump the changelog in the stable branch when we want to test the new release but not the tip of master
[17:50] <wxl> ok what about the raw
[17:50] <wxl> ?
 unstable-ci-proposed is to unstable-ci as devel-proposed is to devel
 Why don't we just make devel-proposed private? :P
 We have the exact same tooling running minus the autopkgtests
[17:51] <wxl> ok well i would only see really practical use for one of those 4 PPA 99% of the time
 Two of those PPAs are never meant to be used
 The -proposed ones
 stable and unstable exist for staging
[17:52] <wxl> then we shouldn't make them public XD
 That wouldn't be in the spirit of free software
[17:53] <wxl> oh you mean like private channels
[17:53]  * wxl ducks
 That should only be used for non-public matters anyway
 The -proposed PPAs should stay public because there's nothing to hide there
 We should just very much encourage people to use the regular PPAs instead
[17:56] <wxl> there should be some documentation as such
[17:56] <wxl> as honestly i don't see the value of really using stable. you're not going to get much.
 Not it
 XD
 The value of stable is very much right-before-archive testing
 It'll be useful when I need to e.g. upload a new LXQt release
 It's to make sure it all builds
[17:57] <wxl> that's fair
 I can see times where we may want to test a newer version than what is in the archive but not the latest git version.
[18:09] <wxl> @tsimonq2 how often does the CI build? is it triggered upon new upload?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2 how often does the CI build? is it triggered upon new upload?], Triggered by Lugito on push to packaging and nightly at midnight Central US
 Britney runs six times a day
[18:10] <wxl> so if i land something, boom, it starts building immediately
 Yes
 It should, at least
[18:10] <wxl> build times seem a wee bit long but maybe that's just me
 It's all in the publisher
 It could probably be optimized to ensure binaries are just built and not published as well
 Building *maybe* takes 5 minutes depending on the package
[18:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALde0adb450c9b: Move input/codecs to proper position in prefrences] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALde0adb450c9b
[18:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9171210fc3f0: Add input/codecs screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9171210fc3f0
[18:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf83497469a0b: Add searching for shortcuts in vlc] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf83497469a0b
[18:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8da7c33ce313: Add vlc plugins extensions screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8da7c33ce313
[19:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALedc1af1fdfc8: Rm unnesecary :] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALedc1af1fdfc8
[19:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8c5adc364846: Add keyboard shortcut to clear playlist] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8c5adc364846
[19:24] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i guess to be fair i was looking at the times listed at ci.l.m
[19:28] <wxl> @tsimonq2: oh and the nightly building is for unstable i'm assuming? or is that also triggered by upstream git pushes?
[19:28] <wxl> @tsimonq2: lastly, what are the britney times?
[19:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALde6a67750891: Fix styling] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALde6a67750891
[19:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1455
[19:48] <wxl> fantastic testcase for the CVE fix https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1454
[19:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1454
[20:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] Tj (Tj) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1456
[20:16] <TJ-> see what happens when non-crypto people dabble in crypto code and configuration!
[20:38] <wxl> hey they didn't roll their own TJ- 
[20:39] <TJ-> wxl: they configured it insecurely because they didn't understand what *not* to do nor what hidden implications are.
[20:40] <wxl> true
[20:40] <TJ-> the art of systems configuration is to know the known unknowns :)
[20:42] <TJ-> they assumed that encrypted /boot/ was sufficient, only thinking of an off-line cold-boot attack
[20:52] <wxl> @tsimonq2: ^ see my questions above re: the ci? maybe point me where i can find it?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: oh and the nightly building is for unstable i'm assuming? or is …], Just for unstable
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: lastly, what are the britney times?], See the job config or the run times
[20:53] <wxl> where at?
 Jenkins
[20:54] <wxl> is that in the repo?
[20:54] <kc2bez> CI.lubuntu.me
[20:55] <kc2bez> You should be able to fire off a build if you log in. 
[20:55] <wxl> does a git push to upstream trigger an unstable build?
[20:55] <wxl> or it's only going to be at mignight?
[20:55] <kc2bez> That I don't know. 
[20:55] <wxl> @tsimonq2: ?
 Pushes to upstream doesn't trigger it
[20:57] <wxl> kthx
 You're documenting all of this right? 😂😂
[20:57] <wxl> yep
[20:58] <kc2bez> I think wxl meant "ack"
[20:58] <kc2bez> XD
 XD
[20:59] <wxl> ugh calculating everything from cdt lame
[20:59] <kc2bez> Center of the universe.
[21:00] <kc2bez> :D
[21:48] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/ci/
[21:59] <kc2bez> wxl: Thank you.
[21:59] <wxl> np
[22:36] <wxl> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-flavors/2019-July/000001.html
[22:38] <kc2bez> Thanks again wxl 
[22:38] <wxl> np²