| Fudge | man still getting this from live build | 01:20 |
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| Fudge | [2019-07-19 11:13:18] lb_binary_syslinux | 01:20 |
| Fudge | P: Begin installing syslinux... | 01:20 |
| Fudge | E: Unable to locate package syslinux-themes-ubuntu-oneiric | 01:20 |
| sarnold | where did *that* come from? oneiric reached end of life in 2013 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases | 01:23 |
| Fudge | everytime i try to build an image I get that, building for disco amd64 | 01:26 |
| Fudge | built the package form livecdroot-fs git | 01:27 |
| Fudge | I am just building this inside a directory, not a chroot or vm, maybe that is my error | 01:32 |
| jamesh | Fudge: which git repo? | 01:35 |
| jamesh | (i.e. is it possible you've picked some abandoned repo?) | 01:36 |
| duflu | Or have some old package installed | 01:44 |
| Fudge | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VjRfJzD8n9/ | 02:36 |
| Fudge | jamesh: yeah maybe im not, i thought lb was part of livecdroot-fs but i havent installed live-build from git, it's from archives | 02:40 |
| Fudge | does that actually help | 03:17 |
| Fudge | ill try with binary-images as iso and not iso-hybrid | 04:50 |
| Fudge | jamesh: where is the live-build git repo ? | 05:07 |
| didrocks | good morning | 06:00 |
| duflu | Morning didrocks | 06:13 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 06:18 |
| marcustomlinson | morning duflu and didrocks | 07:14 |
| duflu | Hi marcustomlinson | 07:14 |
| didrocks | hey marcustomlinson | 07:16 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 07:29 |
| Wimpress | o/ | 07:29 |
| didrocks | salut oSoMoN, hey Wimpress | 07:31 |
| oSoMoN | hey didrocks, Wimpress | 07:32 |
| marcustomlinson | hey oSoMoN and Wimpress | 07:35 |
| duflu | Hi oSoMoN and Wimpress | 07:38 |
| Fudge | morning guys | 07:54 |
| marcustomlinson | morning Fudge | 07:55 |
| didrocks | hey Fudge | 07:55 |
| Fudge | sorry I was saying morning to you guys loL. It's still evening here. | 07:56 |
| Fudge | my bad | 07:57 |
| Trevinho | morning! | 07:58 |
| Fudge | Hi Trevinho | 08:00 |
| Trevinho | Fudge: hey | 08:00 |
| Fudge | so bit of an update for anyone who i've chatted with. I for quite some time have been trying to learn live build and thought i'd checked out the right git repository but first was debian, then i packaged livecd-rootfs but realised i was still using live-build from repos. So I am trying to find where live-build is maintained so I can build from master. Hopefully resolve some of the problems i'm | 08:03 |
| Fudge | having. | 08:03 |
| Laney | hi there | 08:03 |
| didrocks | hey Trevinho, Laney | 08:04 |
| willcooke | oopsm, forgot to open IRC | 08:07 |
| willcooke | morning all | 08:07 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 08:07 |
| Laney | hi didrocks willcooke | 08:07 |
| marcustomlinson | morning Trevinho Laney and willcooke | 08:08 |
| Fudge | Hi Laney did you have a restful sleep | 08:08 |
| duflu | Morning Trevinho, Laney, willcooke | 08:13 |
| seb128 | happy friday desktopers! | 08:16 |
| Laney | hey marcustomlinson Fudge duflu seb128! | 08:18 |
| Laney | Fudge: yeah pretty good thanks | 08:18 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? | 08:18 |
| Laney | not bad! | 08:18 |
| marcustomlinson | morning seb128 | 08:19 |
| Laney | got to get ready to leave in a bit | 08:19 |
| Laney | you? | 08:19 |
| seb128 | Fudge, that's bug #1739790, the fix is trivial see comment #3 but seems foundations doesn't want to support those kinds of build so aren't interested to upload a fix, I will probalby end up doing that | 08:20 |
| ubot5 | bug 1739790 in live-build (Ubuntu) "live-build fails to build" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1739790 | 08:20 |
| seb128 | Laney, I'm ok, my summerflu is getting better, but now my gf got it and she is with the little one on fridays so I acted backups for some hours, it feels like it's going to be a busy day | 08:22 |
| seb128 | also we leave for Spain tomorrow for 2 weeks but didn't start packing yet :-/ | 08:22 |
| Laney | oh I forgot you were off! | 08:23 |
| Laney | :S | 08:23 |
| Laney | hope you both get well enough to enjoy that | 08:23 |
| seb128 | thx | 08:25 |
| seb128 | I hope you have a good flight | 08:27 |
| seb128 | is that a direct one? how long? | 08:27 |
| didrocks | hey seb128 | 08:28 |
| Trevinho | seb128: oh... Hey! sorry to hear you had flu | 08:28 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks, en forme ? | 08:28 |
| didrocks | ça va, et toi ? | 08:28 |
| seb128 | hey Trevinho! yeah, in summer, wth :/ | 08:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ça va un peu mieux :) | 08:29 |
| Laney | 2 flights, 11:55 + 6 hour wait + 01:00 | 08:30 |
| oSoMoN | that's a long journey | 08:31 |
| Laney | yeah :( | 08:32 |
| oSoMoN | (I know du_flu would disagree) | 08:32 |
| seb128 | :-/ | 08:34 |
| seb128 | 6 hours wait for the 1hour also sucks :/ | 08:34 |
| Laney | hope there's a place to shower / sleep | 08:34 |
| Fudge | seb128: thanks I noticed the same bug , but must have missed comment 3 with a fix. I will look again | 08:44 |
| Fudge | seb128: awesome that is great thank you for pointing that out for me. | 08:45 |
| seb128 | np | 08:46 |
| oSoMoN | Trevinho, I manage to reliably crash gnome-shell by creating a symlink to a folder on my desktop, and then using the context menu to send it to the trash. Can't reproduce in a clean disco/eoan VM though. Does that ring a bell? | 08:46 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, hum, I saw something like that yesterday...bug #1832124 | 08:47 |
| ubot5 | bug 1832124 in gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons (Ubuntu) "Right-click file on desktop > Move to Trash frequently crashes gnome-shell" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1832124 | 08:47 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, ah, thanks, I'll attach my crash file to the report | 08:48 |
| seb128 | thx! | 08:48 |
| seb128 | journal log gnome-shell extracts would be useful as well | 08:48 |
| oSoMoN | sure | 08:48 |
| seb128 | also send it using ubuntu-bug, easier to review things from the error tracker than from a dump attached to a comment | 08:49 |
| Fudge | is there anyone running accessibility team currently? | 08:50 |
| seb128 | I don't think so | 08:50 |
| Fudge | seb128: I'm using Version: 3.0~a57-1ubuntu38 | 08:54 |
| Fudge | but don't see the code for LB_SYSLINUX_THEME in the function/defaults.she file | 08:54 |
| seb128 | Fudge, live-build-3.0~a57/functions/defaults.sh:1220:LB_SYSLINUX_THEME="${LB_SYSLINUX_THEME:-ubuntu-oneiric}" | 08:56 |
| seb128 | grepping on that same version here | 08:56 |
| Fudge | seb128: sorry but I can't find it with grep or search | 09:23 |
| seb128 | Fudge, can you pastebin the log from those commands | 09:25 |
| seb128 | $ dget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcefiles/live-build/3.0~a57-1ubuntu38/live-build_3.0~a57-1ubuntu38.dsc | 09:25 |
| Fudge | root@rob:/usr/share/live/build/functions# cat defaults.sh |grep -i theme | 09:25 |
| seb128 | $ dpkg-source -x live-build_3.0~a57-1ubuntu38.dsc | 09:25 |
| Fudge | root@rob:/usr/share/live/build/functions# | 09:25 |
| seb128 | $ grep -n oneiric live-build-3.0~a57/* -r | 09:26 |
| seb128 | (or without the '/*' that's not needed) | 09:26 |
| seb128 | ah, you are speaking installed system | 09:26 |
| Fudge | yes | 09:27 |
| seb128 | $ grep oneiric * -r | 09:27 |
| seb128 | usr/share/live/build/functions/defaults.sh:LB_SYSLINUX_THEME="${LB_SYSLINUX_THEME:-ubuntu-oneiric}" | 09:27 |
| seb128 | in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/3.0~a57-1ubuntu38/+build/16902755/+files/live-build_3.0~a57-1ubuntu38_all.deb | 09:28 |
| seb128 | Fudge, md5sum /usr/share/live/build/functions/defaults.sh ? | 09:29 |
| Fudge | ok now i see it | 09:30 |
| Fudge | dpkg: warning: downgrading live-build from 1:20190315 to 3.0~a57-1ubuntu38 | 09:30 |
| seb128 | what did you change? | 09:30 |
| Fudge | i installed the package you linked me to | 09:30 |
| seb128 | ah, unsure where you got the previous version you had? | 09:30 |
| Fudge | ive been looking for the git repo, but I thought live-build was in the armine archive | 09:31 |
| Fudge | ermine oops | 09:32 |
| Fudge | seb128: running now, let you know how it goes. Thank you for the help | 09:35 |
| Fudge | hope you feel better soon and have a great trip, binge some Netflix | 09:36 |
| seb128 | thanks! :) | 09:36 |
| seb128 | let us know how the build goes | 09:37 |
| Fudge | do I just drop the -oneiric off the package name? | 09:41 |
| Fudge | this is the build if you scroll to the end https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6s9jVpmQqW/ | 09:43 |
| Fudge | oh you said xenial on your post | 09:44 |
| Fudge | i didnt repalce oneiriric with xenial, just removed -oneiric | 09:45 |
| Fudge | will retry | 09:45 |
| Trevinho | oSoMoN: mh, no bell... Can you check journalctl /usr/bin/gnome-shell -b0 if there are reports related to js dumpstack? | 09:49 |
| Trevinho | it should mention the crash signal | 09:51 |
| seb128 | Fudge, the non versioned should depends on -xenial so be equivalent | 09:51 |
| seb128 | so I guess more fixes are needed :-/ | 09:52 |
| Fudge | seb128: takes me a while to pick things up, i'm not a devloper. But i've been cracking on with this when time has availed itself for a long time. | 09:53 |
| oSoMoN | Trevinho, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CktKzBvSR7/ | 09:54 |
| oSoMoN | gotta go on a quick errand, bbiab | 09:54 |
| Fudge | seb128: well I have an iso so i'd call that success 538M binary.hybrid.iso | 09:56 |
| seb128 | Fudge, there is one problem still with the theme though | 09:57 |
| Fudge | oh? | 09:57 |
| seb128 | Fudge, ah, you need to use -xenial indeed | 10:00 |
| seb128 | well your log has 'cp: cannot stat '/usr/share/syslinux/themes/ubuntu/isolinux-live': No such file or directory' | 10:00 |
| seb128 | so the syslinux theme copy failed | 10:00 |
| seb128 | which means your menu/theme might not look right | 10:00 |
| Fudge | this is for blind ppl ;) | 10:00 |
| seb128 | but it should be only cosmectic | 10:01 |
| seb128 | k | 10:01 |
| seb128 | so you don't care much I guess :) | 10:01 |
| Fudge | this is the build I just finished though https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TPmhgH5ymF/ | 10:01 |
| Fudge | this is the easy part sadly, I still have to learn how to incorporate our seeds and how to merge them with upstream ubuntu | 10:02 |
| Fudge | themuso gave me small tid bits here and there but managed it himself, so I hadn'nt really learned from him. | 10:02 |
| seb128 | I don't know if commented things somewhere sorry | 10:03 |
| Fudge | all good | 10:03 |
| seb128 | bah, where are the ppc64el builders? | 10:04 |
| Fudge | :D | 10:05 |
| seb128 | changing location, brb | 10:06 |
| Fudge | seb128: wb, so you're on a holiday soon? | 10:28 |
| seb128 | Fudge, yes, tonight :) | 10:32 |
| Fudge | where from and to seb128 | 10:49 |
| seb128 | Europe to Europe, easy one :p | 10:51 |
| seb128 | going to Spain for 2 weeks | 10:51 |
| Fudge | what attracts you there? | 10:55 |
| Fudge | seb128: Tasmania is a great place to tour | 11:01 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, seb128: no luck on this chromium snap CSD theming bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1800260/comments/7 | 14:05 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1800260 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "[snap] with CSD and Yaru, background color of the header bar is incorrect" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:05 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, :-( | 14:05 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, I don't know what you tried yet but random $whatIwouldtry is to strace -e open | grep css it and start deleting files listed there to see what difference they make | 14:10 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, I listed everything I tried in comments on the bug report, for future reference | 14:10 |
| oSoMoN | I'll try that | 14:11 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, | 14:12 |
| seb128 | > it locates and opens the expected css file (~/snap/chromium/current/.local/share/themes/Yaru/gtk-3.20/gtk.css) | 14:12 |
| seb128 | would be interesting to replace that one by the one from another theme which is quite different | 14:12 |
| seb128 | to see if that leads to a different result | 14:12 |
| oSoMoN | yes, and this CSS file is actually bind-mounted from gtk-common-themes, so can't easily delete it | 14:13 |
| seb128 | ah | 14:13 |
| seb128 | I guess you could cp -r that directory | 14:13 |
| seb128 | disconnect the theme | 14:13 |
| seb128 | and copy manually the content to ~/snap | 14:14 |
| oSoMoN | in comment #6 I modified the CSS to change the headerbar colors, and the unfocused one was picked up correctly, but not the focused one | 14:14 |
| seb128 | that's really puzzling :/ | 14:14 |
| oSoMoN | in other news, LP librarian being down is pretty annoying | 14:14 |
| seb128 | indeed | 14:15 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, did you try under xfce just to see if the shell in use makes a difference? | 14:18 |
| oSoMoN | I didn't, let me do that now | 14:18 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: argh :/ I'm quite out of idea with this now… | 14:21 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: you didn't check the gtk3 vs gtk3.20 thingy, though, no? | 14:22 |
| didrocks | just to check if removing one doesn't kick some internal behavior for chromium | 14:22 |
| didrocks | ah, it yeah, basically what seb128 says was the last element we discussed about as a workaroud, to ensure the right files are really used | 14:23 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, nope, but I double-checked the strace and only the gtk3.20 css is read | 14:24 |
| didrocks | (but indeed, not easily to do) | 14:24 |
| didrocks | weird weird weird… | 14:24 |
| seb128 | disconnecting the theming and copying the content manually shouldn't be too difficult? | 14:24 |
| oSoMoN | yeah, I can do that | 14:24 |
| oSoMoN | testing a xubuntu session now | 14:24 |
| oSoMoN | oh, interesting, in an XFCE/Xubuntu session with Yaru, the chromium snap is correctly themed | 14:29 |
| didrocks | c r a z y | 14:32 |
| didrocks | wondering if they don't have a XDG_CURRENT_SESSION or whatsover hardcoded value… | 14:32 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, interesting... | 14:33 |
| oSoMoN | and librarian is back \o/ | 14:34 |
| seb128 | didrocks, but the deb is the same source code and doesn't have the same issue in the same session | 14:34 |
| seb128 | crazyness | 14:34 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, not just the deb, also the snap unconfined | 14:34 |
| didrocks | seb128: right, the deb would be impacted… or it's the session + try to find some files at a particular place | 14:35 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, do you know if there any magic in gnome-shell for decorations that could impact confined snaps? | 14:35 |
| oSoMoN | (presumably because it's using the system-wide theme, instead of the one from gtk-common-themes) | 14:35 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, or more specifically the chromium one | 14:35 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: have you tried locally the snap as a classic one? (with the rest of the libs local?) | 14:36 |
| didrocks | like, giving it access to system-wide theme | 14:36 |
| Trevinho | seb128: mhmh, don't think so... it's just server-side decorated when using native borders. | 14:37 |
| Trevinho | otherwise not sure if they check something outside X to do any magic... | 14:37 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, I unpacked the snap in a folder and ran it from there, unconfined, and it got the right color | 14:38 |
| Trevinho | ah... mhmh so.. reading the gsettings maybe? but looks weird it can't | 14:38 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: with all other libs referencing local snap version? (but the theme?) | 14:38 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, what gsettings? it seems to parse the css | 14:39 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, see comments on bug #1800260 | 14:39 |
| ubot5 | bug 1800260 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "[snap] with CSD and Yaru, background color of the header bar is incorrect" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1800260 | 14:39 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, no, it was fully unconfined, so using system-wide libs only | 14:39 |
| didrocks | seb128: hum, maybe a mix of the 2, with some LD_LIBRARY_PATH magic, would worth a try? | 14:40 |
| Trevinho | ooh OK, then out of context. | 14:40 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, read the bug please in case you have an idea, Olivier is banging his head on that one for some weeks and could use help | 14:46 |
| Trevinho | oSoMoN: I remember that using GTK_DEBUG=interactive I was able to get some infos... but actually the best way to debug style issues three was to use a ld-preload that was debugging style calls... | 14:46 |
| seb128 | didrocks, oSoMoN, well the snap works confined with yaru from gtk-common-theme on xubuntu if I understood correctly the comment a bit earlier? | 14:46 |
| Trevinho | let me see if I can find my snippet | 14:46 |
| seb128 | that would rule out any confinement/gsettings issue | 14:46 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, yes, that's correct | 14:46 |
| oSoMoN | Trevinho, yeah I also tried GTK_DEBUG=interactive a while back | 14:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: the idea was: files confined with other env variables (like XDG_* differing), but that may be unlikely | 14:47 |
| seb128 | yeah, I guess it's not impossible, still weird :/ | 14:48 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: maybe try overriding some env variable before launching the snap in the mate session to see if there is an imapct? | 14:48 |
| didrocks | impact* | 14:48 |
| Trevinho | Mhmh I can't find the specific. but something based on this acting on the style context printing the widget path maybe | 14:51 |
| Trevinho | https://cloud.trevi.me/index.php/s/7kb52AspQDcr4Hs | 14:51 |
| oSoMoN | interestingly, I'm observing that the headerbar color for other themes isn't always correct. I thought only yaru was affected, but it seems adwaita is, too. ambiance isn't | 14:57 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, it would make sense for it to not being theme specific... | 15:03 |
| oSoMoN | yeah, at least it opens up more doors, as I was kind of going in circles focusing on yaru only | 15:04 |
| oSoMoN | oh, and it's not just chromium, actually… the gnome-calculator snap with adwaita doesn't get the right background color for the headerbar when focused | 15:12 |
| Trevinho | mhmhmh... IIRC they check an atom set on the window to verify the focused state... but don't know if things changed now to use a mode for Wayland too; need to check gtk | 15:14 |
| Trevinho | oSoMoN: are the other widgets using the active / backdrop state too? or just the headerbar | 15:15 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, win, you are off the hook now! :) | 15:15 |
| oSoMoN | heh, just in time for beer o'clock :) | 15:15 |
| oSoMoN | Trevinho, there are other widgets using active/backdrop, but afaict only the headerbar is getting the wrong color, and only in the active state, backdrop is fine | 15:16 |
| oSoMoN | I'll take a couple of screenshots and stitch them together to demonstrate the issue with gnome-calculator | 15:18 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, but it's fine on xubuntu? | 15:24 |
| seb128 | start looking like a gnome-shell bug... | 15:24 |
| oSoMoN | nope | 15:25 |
| oSoMoN | not fine on xubuntu, for adwaita | 15:25 |
| oSoMoN | I wonder if the version of adwaita that's shipped in gtk-common-themes changed significantly between bionic and disco (assuming we're shipping the bionic version, not a recent upstream one) | 15:26 |
| oSoMoN | hrm no, the version in gtk-common-themes is built from https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/adwaita-icon-theme.git | 15:27 |
| oSoMoN | ah no, that's only the icon theme | 15:28 |
| seb128 | :-/ | 15:28 |
| oSoMoN | I need a break, my brains are melting | 15:28 |
| oSoMoN | adwaita comes from https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-themes-extra, apparently | 15:30 |
| oSoMoN | so not the version in bionic | 15:30 |
| Laney | hi fron london | 15:30 |
| oSoMoN | hey Laney | 15:30 |
| Trevinho | oSoMoN: ah, I just read the paste you sent me this morning (it went to a dead tab :P), anyways it seems something that the incoming SRU/update should cover | 15:30 |
| oSoMoN | Trevinho, some good news at last :) | 15:31 |
| Trevinho | oSoMoN: adwaita is inside gtk itself | 15:31 |
| Trevinho | no= | 15:31 |
| Trevinho | ? | 15:31 |
| Trevinho | hi Londolaney | 15:31 |
| Laney | I should get a laptop with better battery | 15:32 |
| Laney | 1h47 train ride, it was dead by the end of it | 15:32 |
| Laney | ://////\\\\\\/////\\\\\ | 15:32 |
| oSoMoN | Trevinho, but gtk-common-themes embeds a copy of adwaita | 15:32 |
| Trevinho | Laney: so it happens, I changed mine few weeks ago since from a day to another died, and now I can support 5-6hrs again :P | 15:32 |
| Laney | Trevinho: new laptop or new battery? | 15:33 |
| Trevinho | battery | 15:36 |
| Trevinho | don't tell my employer, but I can do more than three years with a recent laptop :P | 15:36 |
| Laney | nod | 15:36 |
| Laney | heh | 15:36 |
| Laney | tbh I knew it wasn't the best at the time, but the hidpi screen tempted me anyway ... | 15:37 |
| seb128 | sucks that battery go down like that over the years | 15:39 |
| seb128 | can you find some shop that would get the xps appart and replace the battery? | 15:39 |
| jibel | there are usually good videos that explain how to disassemble most laptops | 15:41 |
| Laney | I could probably do it | 15:41 |
| Laney | where it says "Capacity: 48.2%" in g-p-m, ... | 15:42 |
| jibel | and it's yours do you'll take care unlike random shops or support services | 15:42 |
| Laney | is that the one to be looking at? | 15:42 |
| jibel | s/do/so | 15:42 |
| didrocks | anyway, time for week-end, good holidays seb128, have a nice trip Laney! | 15:43 |
| Laney | bye didrocks! | 15:43 |
| seb128 | Laney, I think so | 15:46 |
| Laney | that sounds quite bad then /o\ | 15:46 |
| Laney | I could be having a whole 3 hours!!!!! | 15:46 |
| seb128 | that doesn't sound great either :-/ That quite convince me to not go for a hidpi screen, I've enough to chase power plugs in train or to have to go back from $place because I didn't take the charger and the laptop gets flat in a few hours | 15:56 |
| Laney | yeah, not such how much better current models are | 15:57 |
| Laney | you pay a penalty for it | 15:57 |
| * Laney is relocating, biab | 16:07 | |
| oSoMoN | I'm calling it a day, have a great week-end everyone, bonnes vacances seb128 | 16:26 |
| seb128 | going to do the same here, need to start packing | 16:35 |
| seb128 | have a nice w.e desktopers, good luck for next week, I'm probably going to be around at time but not on a regular basis/schedule | 16:35 |
| willcooke | see you seb128 | 16:36 |
| willcooke | have a good holiday | 16:36 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 16:36 |
| marcustomlinson | yeah have a good holiday seb128 | 16:38 |
| willcooke | night all, happy weekend | 17:17 |
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