[15:08] <MJCD> Is there something more user friendly/modern than znc ?
[15:09] <MJCD> It's web interface is pretty horrific
[15:39] <tomreyn> IMO the fact that it *has* a web interface makes it stand out. there's psybnc, i think there are also web interfaces for it. and there are probably znc forks (but i don't know whether any of these provide a nicer web interface).
[15:40] <MJCD> realistically idc if it has a web interface
[15:40] <MJCD> but ideally some kind of gui
[15:41] <MJCD> oh man cpanel and this um
[15:42] <MJCD> softaculous
[15:42] <MJCD> easy as hell
[15:44] <tds> MJCD: it's significantly more than just a bouncer, but thelounge is nice and modern and user friendly
[15:47] <MJCD> oh, i've heard of that
[15:47] <MJCD> what do you mean more than a bouncer
[15:48] <tds> it's a full browser-based client
[15:51] <tds> there's a demo instance somewhere if you want to try it without installing :)
[15:58] <MJCD> I will indeed as I am currently using a preconfigured copy of hexchat portable
[15:58] <MJCD> i'm imagining they charge $ for bouncer style services if you don't run it yourself eh
[15:59] <MJCD> run/host
[16:08] <ncuxo> hello
[16:09] <ncuxo> I have a dell r815 that doesn't recognize my drives
[16:09] <ncuxo> I used a flash ESXI hypervisor os with 6 sas drives and all was fine
[16:10] <ncuxo> today I wanted to switch to KVM and from #ubuntu told me that it would be better to get the os to an ssd
[16:10] <ncuxo> I've removed the sas drives and put two ssd but the server doesn't find any drives
[16:11] <ncuxo> except the flash boot drive
[16:32] <tomreyn> ncuxo: by KVM, do you mean kernel virtual machine then? or keyboard, video, mouse?
[16:32] <ncuxo> virtual mashine
[16:33] <tomreyn> if you'll do virtualization then most writes (and reads, too) will go to the VM storage. the OS storage doesn't has to be fast then.
[16:33] <ncuxo> so I could get the os to usb drive and get the sas drives back
[16:34] <ncuxo> I did it and it booted but then I was told that it would be way better to get an ssd and just put it in there
[16:34] <ncuxo> and that this will be more reliable than the usb stick
[16:35] <MJCD> tomreyn, no virtualization instructions for storage exist to date that i'm aware of
[16:35] <MJCD> thus, it all goes through the host
[16:35] <MJCD> impossible not to
[16:36] <tomreyn> MJCD: meaning?
[16:36] <tomreyn> i assume you wrote this to counter some of what i said?
[16:37] <MJCD> tomreyn> if you'll do virtualization then most writes (and reads, too) will go to the VM storage. the OS storage doesn't has to be fast then.
[16:37] <MJCD> false
[16:37] <tomreyn> so you're saying because the writes you do against the VM storage are also written on the OS storage?
[16:38] <ncuxo> MJCD:  but the problem when I remove the sas drives and put ssd is that the server doesn't recognise the ssds
[16:38] <MJCD> it's impossible not to, given as I said there is no storage virtualization instruction set available currently
[16:38] <ncuxo> I've tried with ssd and sata not still not recognised
[16:38] <MJCD> ncuxo, SAS SSD's?
[16:38] <ncuxo> so should I use only sas drives
[16:39] <ncuxo> MJCD:  regular ssd from old laptop
[16:39] <MJCD> well, I mean, if your rig is using SAS, you must use SAS drives, yes
[16:39] <ncuxo> dang
[16:39] <MJCD> whether they are ssd's or platter drives
[16:40] <ncuxo> because lff sata also is not reconised
[16:40] <ncuxo> I read somewhere that sata  and sas should be compatable with each other
[16:40] <ncuxo> this is why I tried the recular sata drive(also from old laptop)
[16:41] <ncuxo> *regular
[16:41] <tomreyn> MJCD: hmm not sure i can follow though. obviously all data transfer goes over the same CPU(s), RAM, SAS controller as the OS storage would, but if you have, say a RAID-1 across two disks for OS, and a RAID-10 for the other four disks, then i don't think a write against a VM storage would actually end up on the OS RAID. It would pass through the virtualization hosts' RAM, and it'd be written to the VM storage.
[16:42] <MJCD> you're mixing/muddying between two different layers. The fact is regardless, without virtualization instruction set - it MUST pass through the host OS and is otherwise inaccessible
[16:43] <tomreyn> pass through the OS is not the same thing as end up on the OS storage
[16:43] <MJCD> no, but it does mean that it's a potential bottleneck/overhead
[16:43] <MJCD> and it's important to keep the layers separate otherwise you'll run into hypotheticals as above
[16:44] <MJCD> and to understand that's what's going on
[16:44] <MJCD> I do believe there are plans toward creating the instructions
[16:44] <MJCD> because it's potentially a real security problem potentially if things aren't configured well
[16:45] <tomreyn> so how would you do it with those 6 disks?
[16:45] <ncuxo> MJCD:  okay then why there are sd card slots in the system if its going to be a bottleneck for the hypervisor os?
[16:45] <MJCD> a raid generates to the OS generally but 1 drive
[16:45] <MJCD> your vm's virtual disk exists on that "one" drive
[16:45] <MJCD> the rest is an OS-level concern
[16:47] <tomreyn> i can't tell whose question you just answered
[16:50] <MJCD> tomreyn> if you'll do virtualization then most writes (and reads, too) will go to the VM storage. the OS storage doesn't has to be fast then.
[16:50] <MJCD> false
[16:50] <MJCD> end
[16:50] <MJCD> <3
[16:51] <tomreyn> hmm well in regards to writes to storage, which is all this statement was about, i continue to consider it correct. but we don't need to discuss this.
[16:51] <MJCD> ye
[16:51] <MJCD> done
[16:51] <MJCD> cpanel is being weird
[16:51] <MJCD> and I don't appreciate it
[16:51] <MJCD> I made 2 users
[16:51] <MJCD> [initials]@[domain].live
[16:52] <MJCD> set my own password at the time
[16:52] <tomreyn> ncuxo: personally i'd want to spin some form of mirror RAID across the OS storage. you could theoretically do this with flash storage on usb and sd card, but this is a rather bad idea, both because these are different physical media types, different controllers. and flash storage is short lived compared to other storage, and not very reliable.
[16:52] <MJCD> but cpanel won't let me log in as anything but the company name
[16:52] <MJCD> you CAN do that, I had a USB 3 hub with 5x 32gb sticks lol
[16:53] <ncuxo> tomreyn: this is why I guess I was told to put the os on ssd
[16:53] <MJCD> It wasn't worth the effort when 250gb ssd's are AU$30-50
[16:53] <tomreyn> ncuxo: how would you connect this ssd then?
[16:53] <MJCD> most servers have atleast a couple of direct connections, without SAS
[16:54] <MJCD> mainly meant for the dvd drive included
[16:54] <tomreyn> r815 has one internal usb port
[16:54] <ncuxo> but since I have to use sas ssd and I don't have one I'll see if I can get the os on the sas drives
[16:54] <MJCD> or a vertical riser that has a specific ssd slot
[16:54] <MJCD> though most will just have a general purpose pcie
[16:55] <ncuxo> MJCD:  I haven't thought about pcie card just for the ssd but good Idea
[16:55] <MJCD> fastest, obviously :)
[16:55] <MJCD> and not serial
[16:55] <MJCD> which comes with big async benefits
[16:56] <tomreyn> ncuxo: i guess you could use pcie nvme's
[16:56] <ncuxo> don't have those laying around
[16:56] <tomreyn> also servicing those is annoying
[16:56] <MJCD> pcie doesn't neccisarilly == nvme
[16:56] <MJCD> if you can use nvme, that's even better ofc
[16:57] <MJCD> but support is not tied to pcie in any way, separate connector even (m.2)
[16:58] <MJCD> I got an xps 12 sitting here with a dead screen backlight or something screen related
[16:58] <MJCD> 250GB NVME
[16:58] <MJCD> need like $200 to get it repaired officially
[16:58] <MJCD> cause too fiddly to do myself being a 2 in 1 convertable
[16:58] <MJCD> with ultraslim bezels on which the screen revolves
[16:58] <MJCD> lol
[16:59] <MJCD> but it's like a $1100 laptop even second hand as is
[16:59] <MJCD> er, as is but working
[16:59] <MJCD> lool
[16:59] <tomreyn> ncuxo: so if those are sata ssd's you could buy a sata controller (which is cheap), put this into the pcie slot, and have it manage two ssds. but you'd still need to find a place to put those ssds, where they don'T break the airflow.
[17:00] <ncuxo> I think I have a sata controller somewhere laying arround
[17:00] <ncuxo> brb
[17:00] <tomreyn> think about the storage location first,though
[17:01] <ncuxo> on top of the cpu shield
[17:03] <tomreyn> covering the cpu fan then?
[17:03] <MJCD> errr
[17:03] <MJCD> as I said before
[17:04] <MJCD> MOST servers will have atleast 1 sata port (what model is it?)
[17:04] <MJCD> and secondly SAS exists for a good reason
[17:04] <MJCD> you may want an SSD for your OS as you said
[17:04] <MJCD> that makes sense
[17:04] <MJCD> for 98% of your data though, put in platter SAS drives
[17:04] <MJCD> the more drives even if small capacity, the better
[17:05] <MJCD> SAS ensures clean IO
[17:05] <MJCD> it's pretty essential to a server
[17:05] <MJCD> the same way as ECC ram is
[17:05] <MJCD> can't have data getting corrupted randomly
[17:05] <MJCD> that's bad news for anybody, let alone for any kind of commercial service
[17:10] <ncuxo> MJCD: I need the sata only for os
[17:11] <MJCD> ncuxo, what modelllll
[17:12] <ncuxo> model?
[17:12] <MJCD> of server
[17:12] <ncuxo> as said noob to servers
[17:12] <tomreyn> dell r815, as he said in the very beginning
[17:12] <ncuxo> r815
[17:12] <ncuxo> dell
[17:12] <tomreyn> https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/Poweredge-R815-Technical-Guidebook2010.pdf
[17:12] <ncuxo> yes
[17:12] <MJCD> damn that's nicer than mine >:p
[17:13] <ncuxo> you wouldn't imagine for how much I bought it :D
[17:13] <tomreyn> ncuxo: do you know which PERC storage controller you have in there?
[17:13] <MJCD> so that has a sata connector
[17:13] <MJCD> right next to um
[17:14] <ncuxo> 64 cores 256 ram 1.5 v I want to exchange it to 1.35v  for 243  euro
[17:14] <ncuxo> ebay :D auction
[17:14] <MJCD> http://prntscr.com/ohr6uu
[17:14] <ncuxo> perc 700
[17:14] <MJCD> @ ncuxo
[17:14] <MJCD> ncuxo, how much?
[17:14] <ncuxo> is the storage connector
[17:15] <MJCD> that's just a sata port
[17:15] <MJCD> it will probably look like SAS
[17:15] <MJCD> as it's got both power and data together
[17:15] <MJCD> you will need a female to female power cable
[17:16] <MJCD> should have been included but if second hand, easy to go missing if not used
[17:16] <ncuxo> I already put the sata pcie card
[17:16] <MJCD> just get a $50 pcie ssd
[17:16] <MJCD> save the hastle
[17:16] <MJCD> you don't need a sata controller
[17:16] <MJCD> use SAS drives upfront
[17:16] <MJCD> for good reason
[17:16] <MJCD> (s)
[17:17] <ncuxo> MJCD:  I will use the sata only for the os
[17:17] <MJCD> just seems silly is all
[17:17] <MJCD> but if you have the cable required
[17:17] <MJCD> off you go
[17:17] <MJCD> :D
[17:17] <MJCD> MOST people don't boot from SAS
[17:18] <MJCD> thus why there's generally atleast 1 sata port
[17:18] <compdoc> i don't boot from SAS
[17:18] <MJCD> my $45 200gb pcie ssd pulls through 1600mb/s read/write
[17:18] <MJCD> for 3200mb/s total
[17:19] <MJCD> many flagship cpu's can only process upto around 50gb/s
[17:19] <MJCD> (each, yours can have 4 so not really a concern lol)
[17:20] <ncuxo> okay another stupid question how to power the ssd
[17:20] <MJCD> I told you already
[17:20] <MJCD> >.<
[17:20] <MJCD> I literally said "you will need x cable for power"
[17:20] <MJCD> lol
[17:20] <ncuxo> lol missed that sorry
[17:20] <MJCD> lol all good
[17:21] <ncuxo> well the cable not included
[17:22] <ncuxo> but I have some from the risers I used for mining back then
[17:23] <MJCD> just get a pcie ssd, for the third/fourth time
[17:23] <MJCD> :P
[17:23] <ncuxo> I wanna do it now
[17:23] <MJCD> nvme if you can afford it, but all of them are way fast enough
[17:23] <ncuxo> not ordering stuff and wait days :D
[17:23] <MJCD> so go to a pc parts store ?
[17:24] <MJCD> they are hardly rare
[17:24] <MJCD> it's consumer level hardware
[17:24] <ncuxo> not in germany
[17:24] <ncuxo> everything is closed on Sunday
[17:24] <MJCD> you CAN buy enterprise level ones but frankly they're ssd's, they don't suffer many issues requiring paying extra
[17:24] <ncuxo> as I've said couple of days
[17:24] <ncuxo> I hate waiting :D
[17:24] <MJCD> so then you'll have to wait a day jeez
[17:24] <MJCD> I hate you
[17:24] <MJCD> ;p
[17:24] <ncuxo> haha
[19:25] <noregret> I noticed that my NIC sometimes operates at 100Mbps, I found this in demsg https://bpaste.net/show/FjIK - still not sure what causes that, any ideas? this is on 18.04
[19:34] <tomreyn> usually bad cabling
[19:34] <tomreyn> i mean wires
[20:02] <noregret> tomreyn: i'll keep my eye on it
[20:02] <noregret> i just changed the cable
[21:25] <JanC> I've also seen that happen because of NIC driver bugs, but that was over a decade ago
[23:04] <ncuxo> could  you guys give me suggestions for pci cards to add to my home lab server
[23:04] <ncuxo> one is going to be NIC
[23:04] <ncuxo> what else
[23:08] <ncuxo> I already have perc 700 raid controller
[23:30] <compdoc> yeah, but do you have the new spatial anomaly pci-e card? its a must have
[23:30] <mybalzitch> high quality sound card is a must to tone out fan noise
[23:31] <mybalzitch> *tune
[23:31] <ncuxo> yeah right :D
[23:32] <ncuxo> I have 5 free pci slots and wanna fill them with something just don't know what
[23:35] <mybalzitch> are they actually pci? or do you mean pci-e
[23:35] <ncuxo> pci-e gen 2