[00:50] <fakuivan> Hello! How can I add this package to the apt index? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fuse-overlayfs
[00:51] <fakuivan> I'm running ``Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS``
[00:52] <sarnold> fakuivan: what problem are you trying to solve?
[00:53] <fakuivan> I'm trying to install fuse-overlayfs
[00:55] <fakuivan> I host a couple of game servers and I'd like for configs and mods to be kept separate from the main game files. I think that will help me to backup things if I need to
[00:55] <fakuivan> overlayfs is the only sane solution I can think of
[00:56] <sarnold> hmm, this one feels a bit heavyweight.. do you need the shiftfs integration?
[00:57] <fakuivan> I have no idea what shiftfs is :P
[00:58] <sarnold> I'd guess that you could probably solve the problem you've got with some well-placed symlinks; if those didn't work great, maybe bind mounting files or directories would do it.
[00:58] <sarnold> I don't know much about that fuse-overlayfs package; maybe it *requires* the shiftfs, in which case, it may require a newer kernel than in the bionic release you've got now
[00:59] <sarnold> if you want to try it out anyway, probably the easiest way to do so is use backportpackage from the ubuntu-dev-tools package to rebuild it in a PPA
[00:59] <fakuivan> the config files and mods are scattered all around the game directory, I tried using symbolic links but some mods recreate files instead of just w opening them
[00:59] <sarnold> oh :(
[00:59] <fakuivan> yeah, it's kind of a mess
[01:03] <fakuivan> sarnold: would it be sane to use the privileged version of overlayfs for something like this?
[01:03] <sarnold> fakuivan: yeah, that sounds like it's worth a try
[01:03] <fakuivan> the game runs unprvilaged, as a ``steam`` user
[01:04] <fakuivan> unprivileged*
[01:31] <ga_sk8er> im  having trouble with my desktop
[01:32] <ga_sk8er> i cant get the libreoffice icon to  appear
[01:38] <uRock> appear where?
[01:39] <ga_sk8er> i cant get the icon to  appear on the desktop  even though it's in the "desktop"  folder
[01:41] <uRock> ga_sk8er, check out https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-desktop-shortcut-launcher-on-ubuntu-18-10-cosmic-cuttlefish-linux
[01:44] <ga_sk8er> that shows how to  do  it in 18.10 but im  still  running 18.04
[01:44] <ga_sk8er> i tried to  copy & paste the commands to  terminal  & it says invalid command
[01:47] <uRock> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-desktop-shortcut-launcher-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux ga_sk8er
[01:48] <uRock> ga_sk8er, also http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2018/09/pin-app-shortcut-desktop-ubuntu-18-04/
[01:50] <Ascavasaion> Each time I copy files to my USB memory stick it copies everything to the end... right through to 100% then seems to freeze.  Then I am unable to unmount or eject the device.  It is as if it is struggling to close a session/action/task.  Often times there is corruption to the file if I manually remove the device.  I have tried typing sync, but that also freezes and Ctrl C has no effect either.
[01:58] <brianx> depending on the device, flushing can take hours.
[01:59] <brianx> if sync isn't finishing, it's not finished flushing.
[02:03] <krwq> hello, one of my SSD drives has 100GB missing somewhere outside of /home directory, what's the easiest way to find out where did it go?
[02:04] <krwq> I've tried finding what's going on with du -sch .[!.]* * | sort -h  but because this disk is / it's not working exactly as expected
[02:05] <sarnold> krwq: probably it'll be in /var or /usr, check both of those first
[02:09] <krwq> sarnold: thanks, /var shows 130G and /usr 20G - how do I proceed from here? can I mount these on different drive somehow without destroying my ubuntu?
[02:09] <krwq> brb in ~10min
[02:10] <sarnold> krwq: sorry, I'm headed out.. just keep repeating those du commands and figure out what's responsible
[02:10] <sarnold> apt-cache clean or autoclean or similar may help
[02:15] <uRock> If you need a GUI, then Bleachbit can clear those folders as well. krwq
[02:22] <ekaj77> Looking to connect 18.04 to hidden wifi; is this hack still necessary, or have they added in that support? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1111494/netplan-not-connecting-to-hidden-ssid-server-18-04-1-lts
[02:31] <uRock> ekaj77, gnome settings doesn't show the ability to connect to a hidden wifi, so likely yes
[02:33] <ekaj77> Kidn of odd
[02:37] <uRock> Most people don't use hidden SSIDs, because anyone with wifite can find the network. People with real skills are definitely going to see it.
[02:41] <leonardus> I can't get my wifi working. The name of the adapter is AWUS036ACS and the driver is the RTL8812AU. I tried downloading a driver from GitHub, and ran `make`/`make install`, but it wasn't showing up in `ip a`, so then I ran the dkms(?) commands and it still wouldn't work. So I'm not sure what to do.
[02:41] <jpuntu> hello everobody... any has experience with iSCSI SAN Dell MD3000i in Ubuntu 18.04LTS?
[03:05] <leonardus> rtl8812au-dkms package installed, and it still doesn't work
[03:06] <leonardus> the interface is showing up in `lsusb`, and 8812au is in `lsmod`
[03:13] <ga_sk8er> i figured out what my issue was.  even  though LibreOffice installed by default with linux, it didnt show that it was installed . i  had to  go  delete it then  re-install
[03:17] <uRock> very weird
[03:17] <uRock> ga_sk8er, you got it on the desktop, though?
[03:19] <ga_sk8er> yeah after i re-installed
[03:31] <krwq> sarnold: uRock: thanks! /var/lib/docker was 120GB lol
[03:37] <uRock> krwq, wow, that's a lot. I run Bleachbit once a week, so I haven't seen it get that big in the past.
[03:44] <zdorovo> sooo I was stuck in a login loop and reinstalling ubuntu 18.04 didn't help
[03:45] <zdorovo> maybe I installed it incorrectly somehow though---I had separate root and home partitions. I reformatted the root partition but not the home partition, which happens to be encrypted
[03:46] <zdorovo> I tried going to a different tty and looking at the ownership of .Xauthenticate or whatever, but I didn't even see it when i ran `ls -la`
[04:03] <Ascavasaion> brianx, Thank you.
[04:05] <brianx> Ascavasaion: of course it usually doesn't take hours.  i have a 256GB usb3 drive that finished flushing an almost full drive copy in about 15 minutes.  if i had more ram installed (or less in use), it might have taken longer.
[04:05] <brianx> that's 15 minutes after i sent the flush command.
[04:22] <kinghat> where should drives be manually mounted to?
[04:22] <kinghat> like where is the standard location?
[04:27] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Depends on the use case - want it visable to the GUI also ?
[04:29] <kinghat> actually on server
[04:30] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Then I suggest in " /mnt " directory.
[04:35] <kinghat> Bashing-om: just a sub dir in /mnt?
[04:36] <Blade> mi
[04:37] <Bashing-om> kinghat: e.g. " ls -al /mnt/ >> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Apr  4  2018 look
[04:37] <Bashing-om> "
[04:39] <kinghat> ?
[04:40] <Bashing-om> kinghat: I have a mount point in the /mnt/ directory I named "look" :)
[04:40] <kinghat> oh
[04:41] <kinghat> fdisk or parted for partition?
[04:45] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Well - parted == PARTition EDitor :)
[04:46] <kinghat> can us fdisk though too, correct?
[04:46] <kinghat> use*
[04:47] <Bashing-om> kinghat: I "think: one can also use fdisk - as it is supposedly now also supporting GPT.
[05:02] <kinghat> Bashing-om: do you set the fsck(sixth field) in fstab to 0 or 2?
[05:05] <Bashing-om> kinghat: "2" - UUID=69b1f02a-5e00-415e-ab75-78fdd63f72a3 /var            ext4    defaults        0       2
[05:08] <kinghat> 👌
[05:08] <kinghat> thank Bashing-om
[05:08] <kinghat> you*
[05:12] <kinghat> are these drives normally owned by root?
[05:13] <kinghat> like just adding a drive do back stuff up to, why owned by root?
[05:17] <ZaZaGX> hello
[05:33] <ncuxo1> hello I have a question
[05:34] <ncuxo1> could someone get into my pc thru grub while I'm with  LUKS
[05:34] <cfhowlett> anyone with physical access could get to grub
[05:34] <ncuxo1> we assume he have physical acces
[05:35] <ncuxo1> yes he can get to grub but could he thru grub bypass my luks encryption
[05:36] <cfhowlett> you need more than grub access to bypass encryption
[05:37] <ncuxo1> okay so should I lock my grub for this extra security
[05:38] <ncuxo1> I'm not sure if I should do it
[05:38] <cfhowlett> depends on your level of paranoia I suppose.
[05:38] <ncuxo1> bios passwords are easily removed when you have physical access
[05:39] <cfhowlett> boot from USB = grub bypassed.
[05:39] <ncuxo1> exactly my point
[05:40] <ncuxo1> cfhowlett:  thx for the help
[05:40] <ncuxo1> have a great day
[05:40] <cfhowlett> what little I could offer.  happy2help!
[07:04] <Bashing-om> kinghat: You still struggling ?
[07:48] <JonTheNiceGuy> Hi all, I'm having a bit of a disaster. I've installed Ubuntu 18.04 and have an Nvidia GeForce 8300 GS. I did the original install using the in-built SIS chip, but all I was getting was 640x480! Having installed the Nvidia card, it's not getting to the login screen. I was able to SSH in, and ran ubuntu-drivers autoinstall which installed nvidia-340 but now all I'm getting is a flashing black cursor in the top left corner. I
[07:48] <JonTheNiceGuy> SSH'd in again, and ran nvidia-xconfig, but this doesn't appear to have made a difference. Any suggestions?
[08:08] <Bashing-om> JonTheNiceGuy: Does the kernel see the card ' lspci -vnn | grep VGA -A 12 ' ?
[08:22] <CoolerX> hey
[08:22] <CoolerX> does ubuntu have support for wifi direct?
[08:22] <CoolerX> i want to share a file with my android phone
[08:22] <CoolerX> ubuntu 18.04
[08:26] <spinningCat> yo
[08:26] <spinningCat> how can i find spesific keyword in various files?
[08:27] <EoflaOEViceCity> spinningCat: Do you mean finding a string inside files using grep?
[08:28] <spinningCat> yes
[08:28] <spinningCat> like api
[08:28] <spinningCat> finding api if any file contains it
[08:30] <EoflaOEViceCity> spinningCat: If you want to find text "api" in files, you can do "cat <files in spaces> | grep api". You can surround file name with quotes if they have spaces.
[08:30] <spinningCat> can i use * instead of filename?
[08:30] <EoflaOEViceCity> Yes. cat supports wildcards
[08:31] <spinningCat> it will go into every folder and check files
[08:31] <CoolerX> anyone?
[08:31] <spinningCat> let me check
[08:32] <EoflaOEViceCity> CoolerX: Have no experience with WiFi direct. Try, and if it does not work, you can try connecting your phone to PC.
[08:33] <JonTheNiceGuy> Bashing-om yep. Do you want the output?
[08:34] <spinningCat> EoflaOEViceCity,  do i need extra parameters it is told x is directory
[08:35] <spinningCat> files are inside folder
[08:35] <CoolerX> EoflaOEViceCity, how do you open wifi direct on ubuntu?
[08:35] <EoflaOEViceCity> spinningCat: You might have to put the recursive parameter if it has one. Let me check manual page.
[08:36] <spinningCat> i guess this works cat */* | grep api
[08:37] <CoolerX> all i found was this https://w1.fi/wpa_supplicant/devel/p2p.html
[08:39] <CoolerX> also a software called wpa_gui in the software store
[08:40] <EoflaOEViceCity> spinningCat: OK. For future reference, if you want to print contents of files in all subdirectories, you can check "find . -type f -exec cat {} +"
[08:40] <spinningCat> find api - type -f exec cat {} +
[08:40] <spinningCat> that one
[08:40] <spinningCat> ?
[08:41] <spinningCat> ops without -
[08:45] <spinningCat> EoflaOEViceCity,  can you help me out?
[08:46] <EoflaOEViceCity> spinningCat: You have to write exactly what is written, but add the grep pipe at the end: "find . -type f -exec cat {} + | grep api". Does that work properly?
[08:46] <spinningCat> let me see
[08:46] <spinningCat> yes
[08:47] <EoflaOEViceCity> CoolerX: You have to check for P2P support for your adapter first for WiFi Direct to work. Use this: "sudo iw list | grep -A8 'Supported interface modes:'" and pastebin the output
[08:47] <spinningCat> how can i see file name?
[08:49] <CoolerX> https://wiki.gnome.org/NetworkManager/WifiDirect
[08:51] <CoolerX> EoflaOEViceCity, https://bpaste.net/raw/6s2v
[08:51] <CoolerX> how do i install this? https://wiki.gnome.org/NetworkManager/WifiDirect
[08:51] <CoolerX> does ubuntu even use gnome?
[08:54] <EoflaOEViceCity> CoolerX: You have P2P support. Standard Ubuntu 18.04 uses GNOME.
[08:55] <EoflaOEViceCity> spinningCat: Can you do "find . -type f -exec grep "api" {}"?
[09:00] <EoflaOEViceCity> spinningCat: Or try commands that are posted in https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12342/show-contents-of-many-files
[09:01] <boblamont> I'm also in ##linux, so apologies for anyone who sees this in both...
[09:01] <boblamont> I've been tagging & renaming (based on tags) a lot of files with Ex Falso (this renaming often moves files between directories, sometimes between drives).
[09:01] <boblamont> The drives I'm using to move the audio files around keep having file corruption errors/dying.
[09:01] <boblamont> Is that likely a coincidence or a causal relationship?
[09:04] <EriC^^> boblamont: did you run a smart test on the hdd?
[09:06] <boblamont> EriC^^: I did on one of them and the test wouldn't even run
[09:06] <boblamont> the other one failed
[09:06] <EriC^^> boblamont: try 'sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdX' replacing sdx with the drive
[09:07] <EriC^^> boblamont: aha, then likely the drive is dying if it failed, maybe use gddrescue to get as much stuff as possible from it
[09:08] <boblamont> EriC^^: oh, I've recovered (almost) everything already
[09:08] <boblamont> I'm just worried that two drives I've been doing the tagging project on have both dropped dead
[09:09] <EoflaOEViceCity> boblamont: Are the project files unrecoverable? Also how many years do you run these drives?
[09:09] <CoolerZ> hey
[09:09] <CoolerZ> hey
[09:09] <CoolerZ> how do i install this? https://wiki.gnome.org/NetworkManager/WifiDirect\
[09:10] <EriC^^> boblamont: if the drives were already good, the copying files to them, or renaming files shouldn't have caused anything, they had to be already dead or on their way
[09:11] <boblamont> EoflaOEViceCity: I was able to copy over most of the files using testdisk. A few things were missing, but I have other copies of those. The first drive had been around a few years, but I only plugged in the second one in April or May.
[09:11] <EriC^^> boblamont: is the 2nd one the one you weren't able to smart test? cause that doesnt mean it's bad
[09:13] <boblamont> no, the second one I just ran the smart test on (using the Disks utility) and it said it failed
[09:14] <EoflaOEViceCity> boblamont: Is the first drive over 5 years old? Because I got a drive that failed after 5 years
[09:14] <boblamont> EoflaOEViceCity: could be, it's at least over 3
[09:15] <EriC^^> boblamont: can you upload a paste of smartctl -a /dev/sdX of the 2nd?
[09:15] <EriC^^> you'd need to install the package "smartmontools"
[09:15] <boblamont> ok
[09:18] <boblamont> I got this https://paste.linux.community/view/1a3a6020
[09:22] <CoolerZ> hello?
[09:22] <CoolerZ> how do install this https://wiki.gnome.org/NetworkManager/WifiDirect on ubuntu 18.04?
[09:24] <EoflaOEViceCity> boblamont: That drive lacks SMART testing. Was it by chance an external HDD by USB or SSD?
[09:24] <boblamont> they're all external usb
[09:24] <boblamont> so when it says the test failed, it just couldn't run it?
[09:28] <EoflaOEViceCity> boblamont: How exactly the test failed? Did it fail instantly? Or did it fail in the middle of the test?
[09:29] <boblamont> it just started, then it failed. it said it had 90% left, which implies it had done 10%, but that was the first thing it put up
[09:30] <EoflaOEViceCity> boblamont: So the drive might be broken. Pastebin the output of smartctl -a /dev/sdX on the first drive.
[09:35] <vandervekenronan> Hello everyone after long searching. I still have the dummy output issue? Can someone  help me?
[09:35] <boblamont> EoflaOEViceCity: it's the same https://paste.linux.community/view/e2778db2
[09:38] <EoflaOEViceCity> boblamont: Then I couldn't help with this situation, sorry. A more experienced user might help you further.
[09:39] <boblamont> EoflaOEViceCity: thanks anyhow. My newest drive is now suddenly showing bad sectors, this is getting really frustrating
[09:40] <EoflaOEViceCity> boblamont: You are welcome.
[09:41] <vandervekenronan> Does someone also had the "dummy output" issue?
[09:47] <isomari> greetings, which file can I edit to enable a service without using systemctl enable??
[09:53] <EoflaOEViceCity> isomari: Try the answer in this question: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/157816/what-does-systemctl-enable-netctl-service-do using the appropriate service name
[09:57] <isomari> EoflaOEViceCity: thanks
[09:58] <EoflaOEViceCity> isomari: You are welcome. Did the service start?
[10:16] <isomari> EoflaOEViceCity: I won't know till I get on site. I'm sure it will. Thanks again.
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[10:26] <ZaZaGX> hello
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> welcome ZaZaGX
[10:27] <ZaZaGX> i tried debian 10, it gave me problems
[10:27] <ZaZaGX> just got back into Ubuntu lol
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> ZaZaGX: focus to the actual support questions please
[10:29] <ZaZaGX> sorry, i was ranting
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> ZaZaGX: when will you learn to divide chat from support? its not the first time volunteers told you this
[10:31] <ZaZaGX> i got mixed up with other channels
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:27] <ZaZaGX> wbEric^^
[11:39] <Wayward_Vagabond> So, as soon as my SSD shows up, I'm gonna attempt to move the xbuntu 18.04lts system on this to the ssd. This computer is setup as guid and is not secure boot/etc
[11:40] <Wayward_Vagabond> Any tips or things I should look out for?
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> Wayward_Vagabond: are you looking to clone a spinner to ssd?
[11:42] <Wayward_Vagabond> lotuspsychje: I'd rather not do a sector per sector clone cause there are some things that could be done better, but basically
[11:42] <Wayward_Vagabond> 2tb hdd to a 2tb ssd
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> Wayward_Vagabond: isnt there a lot of data you just need to hold externally on there?
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> Wayward_Vagabond: or you just gonna clone it all on ssd, not using spinner anymore?
[11:45] <Wayward_Vagabond> laptop that's not new and/or pricey enough to have a second hdd bay or ssd slots
[11:46] <Wayward_Vagabond> So just wanting to move everything relevant to the new drive, using a different machine to copy stuff over, then put the ssd in it's place
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> Wayward_Vagabond: the way i do it, is fresh install on ssd, then use spinners in an external enclosure (usb3)
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> Wayward_Vagabond: but you can dd clone from spinner to ssd if you like
[11:49] <BluesKaj> yeah, i used dd to copy from a hdd to ssd. just make sure the target is slightly larger partition wise than the source
[11:50] <Wayward_Vagabond> my OS partitions are larger than they need to be, one of them that's not being used is entirely useless (it was meant for an os that it turns out can't boot from guid), swap could use a shrink, and I have no idea how /home's size will work out yet
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Wayward_Vagabond, gonna use separate / and /home partitions?
[11:53] <Wayward_Vagabond> BluesKaj: right now I have two linux partitons used, one vaccant, and an ntfs paritition, then home, swap, and a like 2mb partition grub stuck on the very end of the drive
[11:59] <BluesKaj> i see, not sure , but /uefi/boot seems to be the first partition the installer places on the drive on most systems afaik
[12:00] <Wayward_Vagabond> I usually partition up wit gparte first- it didn't make that partition, but grub found a way..
[12:04] <BluesKaj> anyway that's immaterial if you used dd if the system boots fine atm
[12:06] <Wayward_Vagabond> I'm not sure how honest ssd makers are compared to hdd ones, but I have a feeling it's gonna be slightly smaller
[12:06] <BluesKaj> used=use, and scuse my grammar :-)
[12:07] <Wayward_Vagabond> it was more a question of, is there more to it other than making sure fstab points to the right things, and letting grub fix itself after?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> you could shrink the the source partition first, if you have the space
[12:09] <BluesKaj> it's a clone, bit for bit, so fstab and grub shouldn't be an issue
[12:09] <Wayward_Vagabond> I wasn't doing a bitwise clone though.
[12:10] <BluesKaj> not using dd then?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> ok , no more assumptions on my part.
[12:21] <Wayward_Vagabond> BluesKaj: besides, even if I did a bitwise copy of /, home, swap, and grub's partitions would still all end up different
[12:22] <Wayward_Vagabond> so I'm not sure if that'd really help much
[12:23] <jeremy31> Wayward_Vagabond: clonezilla on USB could clone it
[12:25] <Wayward_Vagabond> jeremy31: sligtly different sized drives, and both can't be in the machine I want at the same time. Just going to remove the optical drives my desktop, and plug either drive into those ports, and use it to work on them
[12:27] <jeremy31> Wayward_Vagabond: I shrunk my Ubuntu install so it would fit on a new SSD, then cloned it with clonezilla and it booted right up on the SSD
[12:29] <Wayward_Vagabond> jeremy31: how many partitions, and did anyting else on the drive have issues?
[12:30] <jeremy31> It was just 2 partitions for that one, I also used to clone a drive that had dual boot Win 10/Mint to SSD and even Win10 worked
[12:37] <gst568923> Hi guys I need to uninstall Debian from dual boot with Windows 10 completely to be able to install Ubuntu from scratch. My system is UEFI GPT, after I removed the Debian partition with gparted what is the correct procedure to remove the grub?
[12:40] <Wayward_Vagabond> meh, I;ll wait till it's actually here later today
[12:40] <Wayward_Vagabond> I don't want to touch the orignal hdd, so I can always try different methods
[12:42] <BluesKaj> sounds like a clean install to the ssd will simpler
[12:42] <BluesKaj> be
[12:42] <tomreyn> gst568923: on the efi system partition there is probably a "debian" subfolder you can then remove. but this is really a debian question. you can also just leave it there, ubuntu creates its own directory on the ESP
[12:43] <tomreyn> s/subfolder/subdirectory/
[12:44] <Dk0dr> I agree on clean install
[12:45] <gst568923> tomreyn in the efi partition I have the following folders: Boot, debian, Microsoft. Inside the Boot folder there is the bootx64.efi file which has the same MD5 as the grubx64.efi file which is located inside the debian folder. Do I need to delete the Boot folder and the debian folder to completely remove the grub?
[12:47] <imi> hello. how do I change the name servers? I want to override the ones negotiated by dhcp
[12:48] <Dk0dr> in your router admin pages?
[12:48] <tomreyn> gst568923: grub probably acts as the boot loader for both linux and windows at this point. you can remove both, but then windows wont be able to boot until you have ubuntu installed. the better approahc is maybe to just have the ubuntu installer overwrite those files in Boot and add its own ubuntu/ directory.
[12:48] <tds> imi: what ubuntu version are you running, and desktop or server?
[12:48] <imi> Dk0dr: what if I'm not a router admin? I want it for my machine only?
[12:49] <imi> tdn: ubuntu 17.10 desktop
[12:49] <tomreyn> !17.10
[12:49] <tomreyn> you're a year late
[12:49] <tds> yeah, upgrade your box
[12:49] <tds> but regardless, for desktop that's probably using network-manager, so you can disable getting dns from dhcp and set your own resolvers through that
[12:50] <tds> you can poke it with nmcli, nmtui, nm-connection-editor, some other config editor built into your DE, etc
[12:50] <imi> tomreyn: I can't upgrade because all further versions have a bug which is a showstopper for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1804568
[12:51] <tomreyn> imi: and we can't support EOL releases here, i'm afraid. when have you last tested this bug exists, using which ubuntu version?
[12:51] <gst568923> tomreyn if I remove the Boot and debian folders, shouldn't the system automatically start the windows 10 bootloader since it is a UEFI system?
[12:51] <tds> gst568923: you'll probably need to tweak the efi boot entries with `efibootmgr` as well
[12:51] <imi> tomreyn: I've last tested this bug at 2019-03-30, on disco dingo
[12:52] <EriC^^> gst568923: if you remove all traces of the efi files, i think it would skip the entries and boot windows if it's in the list
[12:52] <imi> whenever 19.10 is out I'll test again
[12:53] <EriC^^> gst568923: what's the md5sum of the efi\Microsoft\Boot\bootmgfw.efi file?
[12:53] <gst568923> EriC^^ 660f0913319818720ae99c0004141daa
[12:54] <EriC^^> gst568923: what's the size vs grubx64.efi?
[12:54] <gst568923> EriC^^ size of grubx64.efi?
[12:55] <EriC^^> gst568923: my bootmgfw.efi is 125.... it's the original ms file
[12:55] <gst568923> EriC^^ my bootmgfw.efi is 1.526.584 byte
[12:55] <tds> imi: any luck with the suggestions at https://askubuntu.com/a/1052998 to change the cursor mapping?
[12:58] <gst568923> tds when I talk about removing the Boot and debian folders I intend to remove them with the command `efibootmgr --bootnum XXXX --delete-bootnum` except for the Boot folder which I have to remove manually because it does not appear in the efibootmgr list. Is this procedure correct?
[12:58] <tomreyn> imi: hmm so you tested before dingo released. i'd suggest you create a persistent 18.04.2 install, fully update it, then if the issue persists with that, install a !mainline kernel or the hwe-edge kernel (and X)
[12:59] <EriC^^> gst568923: yeah that should remove the entries
[13:00] <tomreyn> efibootmgr deletes files on the ESP? i don't think it does.
[13:00] <tomreyn> it updates the data in nvram
[13:00] <EriC^^> just the entries
[13:01] <tomreyn> gst568923 seemed to assume it'd also remove files off the ESP
[13:02] <imi> tomreyn: obviously I could have tested on a daily basis. The next time I'll test is when 19.10 is out.
[13:03] <gst568923> EriC^^ so to sum up to uninstall debian I have to do: 1) remove the ext4 partition 2) remove the entry with efibootmgr. Windows 10 will continue to boot smoothly if I have not yet installed ubuntu
[13:03] <tomreyn> imi: okay, i'm jkust trying to spare you efforts in case this is already handled. but tds' link looks like it could help.
[13:04] <EriC^^> gst568923: if you upload a pastebin of ls -lR /boot/efi and efibootmgr -v i can tell you for sure, otherwise it's kinda guessing cause sometimes windows efi is backed up and renamed etc like if you used boot-repair or something
[13:05] <imi> tomreyn: ok thanks I'll check that link: https://askubuntu.com/a/1052998
[13:06] <tomreyn> imi: i'd also suggest a bios update in case you don't have the latest.
[13:07] <imi> ok thanks
[13:08] <tds> imi: do you need the autorotation stuff?
[13:09] <tds> a few other places also suggested uninstalling iio-sensor-proxy to disable it if not
[13:09] <tomreyn> imi: this seems to be the latest bios: https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-spectre-13-w000-x360-convertible-pc/12499178/swItemId/ob-230762-1
[13:10] <tomreyn> you had F.31 when you filed 1804568
[13:11] <MrCrackPotBuilde> when you create a GNOME theme can you use Javascript and HTML
[13:28] <gst568923> EriC^^ are you here?
[13:30] <EriC^^> sorry back
[13:36] <tomreyn> gst568923: see also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1752437 which *may* be related
[13:37] <tomreyn> actually, thnking again, probably not related, since your touchscreen does work, just flipped.
[13:39] <tomreyn> gst568923: maybe this helps though https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2414086
[13:46] <fSharp> hello, I am trying to retrieve gpg keys with 'gpg --keyserver..'command but either it takes ages, or nothing happens (cursor remaining still)
[13:53] <tomreyn> in case fSharp returns with more patience: https://gist.github.com/rjhansen/67ab921ffb4084c865b3618d6955275f https://dkg.fifthhorseman.net/blog/openpgp-certificate-flooding.html https://dev.gnupg.org/T3972
[13:55] <BluesKaj>  the user was crossposting with ##linux
[13:56] <tomreyn> and #gnupg
[13:56] <BluesKaj> covering all the bases
[13:59] <deadrom> hi
[14:00] <deadrom> what's wrong with the memtest on the live iso these days? this worked a charm for ages, but the one in 18.04 will reboot when *not* going into F1:failsafe on each and every system I treid so far, no matter how old or new uefi or legacy, from core2duo to ryzen
[14:01] <deadrom> and then in failsafe it did not detect issues that the other memtest86-non-plus that's looked down on for not being free clearly identified. ubuntu does includes a broken tool here.
[14:09] <gst568923> I have to uninstall debian and install ubuntu, my system has 8 GB of ram, I know that ubuntu now creates the paging file within the partition itself; my question is: from the performance point of view does it make sense to keep the swap partition 4 GB? should I remove it? Or is swapping better as a file within the ubuntu partition?
[14:11] <deadrom> since when does ubuntu create a swap file in a partiton?
[14:13] <gst568923> deadrom I mean the ext4 partition where ubuntu is installed
[14:13] <deadrom> the whole point of having a swap partition was not to drag the entire filesystem overhead along for swapping, unlike a certain inferior operating system from Redmond, Seattle
[14:15] <deadrom> tbh I don't quite understand the question. you want to switch from deb to ubu and now question is: keep an existing swap partiiton of 4gb or have ubuntu setup a swap file? if that's it: keep the swap partition
[14:16] <deadrom> I guess these days it doesn't matter much, but why not do it properly.
[14:17] <gst568923> yes the question is right so if i understand correctly the performance is less if the swapfile is inside the ext4 partition? the fact is that my system has 8 GB of ram so the swap file will rarely be used
[14:18] <deadrom> automount question: NFS: fstab:    10.0.11.1 /mnt/fileserver nfs4 defaults,noauto,soft,comment=systemd.automount 0 0   <- works a charm as long as the NFS server is around. if not, the system stalls forever at boot time trying to mount it. what do I do about this?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> deadrom, add the nfs server uuid to /etc/fstab
[14:26] <BluesKaj> deadrom, sudo blkid should show the nfs server uuid
[14:27] <deadrom> BluesKaj: I was expecting more that I need to configure a timeout for mounting...
[14:27] <deadrom> how will this help?
[14:27] <V0st0k> gst568923 once I've read we have to set the swap file the same size of the RAM size, cause if the system needs to use the swap by moving data temporarily from RAM to swap it'll not crash, does it make sense to you?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> a timeout, why?
[14:29] <deadrom> BluesKaj: so the client stops trying to mount a server that's not there...
[14:31] <deadrom> BluesKaj: when I download sth in my browser it opens a dsave dialog, the save dialog has shortcuts that point to the server so then it tries to access the paths to check their existence, then this request gets handed down to the automounter which in turn tries to automount the server till the end of time.
[14:32] <deadrom> same goes for file manager and everything else that has any fs reference to the server
[14:43] <BluesKaj> my experience with nfs was to use the file manager, not a browser so i'm not familiar with your approach
[14:45] <BluesKaj> anyway time for some breakfast, BBL
[14:45] <jink> Enjoy.
[15:00] <zette> hi
[15:11] <ncuxo> Hello I want to setup a homelab server
[15:11] <ncuxo> I'm using 18.04 LT
[15:11] <ncuxo> do I need a home/data directory
[15:12] <ncuxo> I'm planning on using kvm
[15:13] <ncuxo> so root and boot partition should be sufficient or?
[15:14] <jeremy31> ncuxo: all you need is root partition and maybe EFI System Partition if booting in UEFI
[15:15] <ncuxo> jeremy31:  thank you for the prompt answer
[15:15] <ncuxo> another question could I install it on 32 gb usb drive
[15:16] <ncuxo> my server have inside usb port  and I want the os to be  there so all my sas drives are left for the vms
[15:16] <deadrom> ncuxo: depends much on the drive. ymmv. good stick will work for a while, but I'd go for a small SSD rather
[15:17] <uRock> 120GB Kingston SSD on Amazon for $20.
[15:17] <deadrom> ^ this
[15:18] <ncuxo> I have ssds like 7 laying around the house
[15:18] <ncuxo> but I wanna save space in the rack
[15:18] <ncuxo> I have dell r815 and there is no ssd slot inside
[15:19] <deadrom> run the wires and double stickytape it somewhere in the case.
[15:19] <OerHeks> interesting, you could install on an usb stick, it will be horrible slow, good luck!
[15:19] <deadrom> it's an ssd. it has no moving parts. it won't care
[15:20] <ncuxo> OerHeks:  I was using esxi on 2gb drive and it was fine
[15:20] <ncuxo> I used it for 6 months now
[15:20] <ncuxo> but I wanna switch to kvm
[15:20] <ncuxo> this is why I was wondering if there is a way arround
[15:21] <uRock> Go for it.
[15:23] <deadrom> ncuxo: esxi hardly writes anything. full OS with kvm no matter how you tweak it... I'd rather rig a live iso, run it from a ro medium and mount in /opt from usb if I had to, but that's all tinker shenanigans. do it properly or soak the fallout when thinks go pear shaped
[15:23] <deadrom> *things
[15:23] <ncuxo> deadrom:  this is why I wanna make the switch
[15:24] <ncuxo> now I need to figure out how to get the ssd inside
[15:24] <deadrom> r815 has 6 drive bays..
[15:24] <ncuxo> I'm really a noob for server hardware and I need to check how to get that ssd inside
[15:24] <ncuxo> yes I have 6 sas 600gb drives there
[15:25] <ncuxo> they were with another server I bought I know that its an overkill for home use
[15:52] <ncuxo> deadrom:  okay I removed 2 of my sas drives and put two 60gb ssd drives
[15:53] <ncuxo> now the system does not recognize them
[15:56] <OerHeks> looks like your r815 raid storage is blocking them? or a bios setting
[15:56] <ncuxo> OerHeks:  I will check that now
[16:05] <ncuxo> OerHeks:  I've removed all the other drives
[16:06] <ncuxo> In the BIOS I don't have any setting about the drives because the system doesn't recognize them
[16:06] <OerHeks> in the raid controller bios perhaps? not sure about that dell with spark
[16:07] <OerHeks> if they are empty, boot a live iso and clear/setup raid again?
[16:08] <OerHeks> maybe #ubuntu-server is your help
[16:08] <ncuxo> no raid options in bios
[16:08] <ncuxo> thx I will try there
[16:35] <deadrom> ncuxo: servers can do quite a bit more configuration than regular PCs, especially regarding storage. the BIOS will have a raid/storage utility, and Dell usually has good and easy to find manuals online. (contrary to Hewlett Packard, whose support websites are a sorry joke altogether)
[16:38] <becool> how can i cap a process at a certain percentage of system resource consumption? for example, if i only want mysqldump to use a maximum of 50% cpu/mem until it completes
[16:40] <SwedeMike> becool: another way is to "ionice" and "nice" it so it gets lower priority to resources
[16:48] <caroga> hi all! I just finished installing 19.04 on my laptop in effort to get any hdmi/displayport output going, but it seems rather unsuccessful so far. I wish to leave out the NVIDIA drivers as they consume way too much battery and make my fans go on 100% like all the time. What could I do to get HDMI and Displayport working?
[17:00] <zutat> anyone had success with a recent lenovo thinkpad?
[17:08] <tomreyn> zutat: certainly. please feel free to immediately ask concrete questions, not polls.
[17:13] <kinghat> is the only way to change firefox shortcuts through an extension?
[17:27] <aniruddhab> Can any one help me for ubuntu 18.04, that i am having a problem
[17:27] <aniruddhab> When I am starting my computer it is showing all the available wifi networks but after typing the right password it is not connecting
[17:27] <aniruddhab> Can anyone help me?
[17:28] <tomreyn> hi aniruddhab
[17:28] <tomreyn> do you know which wireless chipset you have there?
[17:29] <tomreyn> if not, run this and return the http address:   lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller'  | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:30] <aniruddhab> tomreyn, ok
[17:31] <tomreyn> aniruddhab, ok
[17:31] <aniruddhab> This one is showing https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/C4a2lWni/
[17:31] <aniruddhab> tomreyn, ^^
[17:32] <tomreyn> that's for wired internet, is your wureless connected on usb?
[17:32] <tomreyn> * wired ethernet
[17:32] <aniruddhab> It is a TP link wifi router that is connected via usb
[17:33] <tomreyn> lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:34] <tomreyn> lspci -knn | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:34] <tomreyn> aniruddhab: can you do both of these
[17:35] <aniruddhab> tomreyn, sure
[17:35] <aniruddhab> This one showing https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7sy7ZIC3/
[17:36] <tomreyn> hmm maybe run   sudo update-pciids    and   sudo update-usbids   beforehand
[17:36] <jeremy31> That is a realtek wifi, rtl8192eu
[17:37] <tomreyn> jeremy31: i guess you identified it by their vendor id?
[17:38] <aniruddhab> then i should run above commands?
[17:38] <tomreyn> aniruddhab: only if the system is currently online somehow
[17:39] <aniruddhab> tomreyn, yes online somehow
[17:39] <tomreyn> so do it
[17:39] <aniruddhab> done
[17:39] <jeremy31> tomreyn:  use mange's github and blacklist rtl8xxxu, I am on phone
[17:40] <tomreyn> aniruddhab: so you ran    sudo update-pciids    and   sudo update-usbids    ?
[17:41] <tomreyn> aniruddhab: if so, run   lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999    and    lspci -knn | nc termbin.com 9999     now, and show those http addresses.
[17:41] <aniruddhab> one think is when i remove the adapter and insert again it is working properly but it should connect properly like me 16.04
[17:41] <aniruddhab> yes just executed that
[17:42] <tomreyn> aniruddhab: what is "that"
[17:42] <tomreyn> please be specific.
[17:42] <aniruddhab> `lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999` > lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:42] <jeremy31> aniruddhab: see https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2408198&p=13823638#post13823638
[17:43] <aniruddhab> `lspci -knn | nc termbin.com 9999` > lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:44] <aniruddhab> tomreyn, ^^
[17:45] <tomreyn> aniruddhab: that's not exactly the commands i suggested running, there were no ">" characters in there. what was the output?
[17:46] <aniruddhab> `lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999` > https://termbin.com/cphs
[17:47] <tomreyn> ah there it is indeed
[17:47] <aniruddhab> `lspci -knn | nc termbin.com 9999` > https://termbin.com/691s
[17:47] <tomreyn> this is your wireless:   Bus 001 Device 008: ID 2357:0109 TP-Link TL WN823N RTL8192EU
[17:47] <tomreyn> as jeremy said, this is a RTL8192EU wireless chipset
[17:47] <aniruddhab> yes `TP-Link TL WN823N` this is the model number
[17:48] <aniruddhab> ok
[17:48] <aniruddhab> now?
[17:48] <tomreyn> you can follow the instructions jeremy pointed you to to make it work.
[17:48] <tomreyn> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2408198&p=13823638#post13823638
[17:48] <aniruddhab> ok
[17:48] <aniruddhab> doing
[17:49] <tomreyn> this company (realtek) does not provide good driver support for this device on linux, this is why you need to 'hack' a bit now.
[17:51] <jeremy31> The mange driver has better reception than even the kernel module
[17:54] <aniruddhab> yup :) done connecting properly
[17:54] <aniruddhab> Thanks everyone
[17:54] <aniruddhab> ^.^
[17:54] <aniruddhab> for this help
[17:54] <tomreyn> aniruddhab: should i explain what you just did or are you aware?
[17:55] <aniruddhab> no I would like to understand that please tell
[17:55] <jeremy31> aniruddhab:  you compiled a new module for your wifi
[17:56] <tomreyn> aniruddhab: you blacklisted the in-kernel (and in-ubuntu) driver for this wirelsss device. it will never load until oyu later dedice to remove /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8xxxu.conf
[17:56] <aniruddhab> ok
[17:57] <tomreyn> aniruddhab: you also set up a way for this driver to be recommpiled automatically when you install newer kernel images later. this will usually work fine if you stay on the same main kernel version, but it can fail if you switch to a much newer kernel.
[17:57] <tomreyn> if it fails, you should probably just do the same thing again.
[17:58] <tomreyn> be sure to point out that you're using this 'hack' when you ask anyone else for assistence with your wireless in the future.
[17:58] <aniruddhab> I did not understand the blacklist part :(
[17:58] <tomreyn> run this: cat /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8xxxu.conf
[17:59] <aniruddhab> `blacklist rtl8xxxu`
[17:59] <tomreyn> this file tells the kernel not to load the driver which the ubuntu linux kernel provides
[17:59] <aniruddhab> ^^
[17:59] <aniruddhab> ok
[17:59] <tomreyn> instead the rtl8192eu is loaded, which is the driver you downloaded from https://github.com/Mange/rtl8192eu-linux-driver.git and compiled from the source code found there
[18:00] <aniruddhab> means i am using another module for my wifi now
[18:00] <tomreyn> right
[18:00] <tomreyn> you should point this out whenever you ask anyone for assistence with wyour wireless on this computer
[18:01] <aniruddhab> ok now understand
[18:01] <tomreyn> they will otherwise assume you'Re using the standard ubuntu kernel module ("driver") and this may behave differently. and they could get annoyed. ;)
[18:02] <aniruddhab> yes now got the point
[18:02] <tomreyn> very well. be sure to say 'thanks' to jeremy, since i couldn't have solved it this fast.
[18:02] <tomreyn> ;)
[18:04] <aniruddhab> jeremy31, tomreyn, Thank you very much :)
[18:04] <tomreyn> ;) you're welcome, aniruddhab
[18:06] <aniruddhab> yup
[18:14] <MannyLNJ> Help needed. I am booted into a 19.04 live cd right now. I am running 18.04 and unable to log in to the GUI. I enter my name and password the screen goes black then back to the log in. If I drop to CLI and long in then type startx I am able to start an X-session as root. I am unable to intall or remove packaged because it complains about being out
[18:14] <MannyLNJ> of space on /var. Please help me fix my install. If space is really an issue, I will order a larger drive.
[18:15] <OerHeks> startx  is depreciated for standard ubuntu + gnome, AFAIK
[18:16] <aniruddhab> sayan, tomorrow there will be any class in the morning?
[18:16] <OerHeks> what happened that you cannot login, installed something?
[18:17] <MannyLNJ> OerHeks the other day I was here trying to get help with docker. I installed some packages and all seemed well. Today when I came to the computer it would not go out of sleep mode. I hit reset and the first thing that happened was the login issue.
[18:19] <MannyLNJ> OerHeks my distro is on /dev/sda1 which is a 120GB SSD. I do have a second drive in it with 2 partions a 298GB NTFS drive and a 1.7tb Ext4 drive. My priority right now is being able to use Chrome to fill out an application for my next semester of classes
[18:20] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: sounds like some log is out of hand filling up /var
[18:20] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: try to mount /dev/sda1 with "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[18:21] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^ Drive is now  mounted
[18:22] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: try "df -h /mnt" what does it say for available space
[18:22] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^ it shows 94G used and 11G available
[18:24] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: not bad, do you have internet access on the live usb?
[18:25] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^ yes I am runing the Live USB now
[18:25] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: ok, type "cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[18:27] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^ https://termbin.com/fynh
[18:30] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: seems there's no /var there, try "ls -l /mnt/home/<your username>/.Xauthority"
[18:31] <EriC^^> who owns the file?
[18:31] <MannyLNJ> It's owned by root now
[18:31] <MannyLNJ> I think that is from when I did startx as root
[18:32] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: yeah, that makes sense
[18:32] <MannyLNJ> Should i chown it back to emanuel ?
[18:33] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: not yet
[18:34] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: type "sudo chroot /mnt" then chown emanual: /home/...../.Xauth
[18:34] <EriC^^> reason is that it cant translate emanuel to the uid if you're not chrooted in
[18:36] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: are there any log files such as ~/.xsession-errors in the home dir?
[18:36] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^ Yes .xsession-errors and .xsession-errors.old
[18:37] <EriC^^> alright, exit the chroot by typing 'exit' then type 'cat /mnt../....../.xsession-errors | nc termbin.com 9999'
[18:39] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^ https://termbin.com/vce2 for .xsession-errors
[18:40] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: type "ls -ld /mnt/home/<your username>" who owns it?
[18:40] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^ do you want me to re-boot and try to sign in again as the nomal user and see what happens?
[18:40] <EriC^^> and what are the permissions
[18:41] <EriC^^> nah, it says "Home directory not accessible: Permission denied" so let's see what that's about
[18:41] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^ it looks like it is now showing a UUID the resulots are drwxr-xr-x 43 1000 1000 4096 Jul 20 18:40 /mnt/home/emanuel/
[18:41] <EriC^^> that looks right
[18:42] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: what about the parent dir, "ls -ld /mnt/home"
[18:42] <MannyLNJ> That owned by root:root
[18:42] <EriC^^> and the permission bits?
[18:42] <MannyLNJ> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Mar 11 01:56 /mnt/home/
[18:43] <EriC^^> looks good
[18:44] <KaynRyu> Not sure what happened but got on my computer today and my chromium icon was just blank, could hover over it and get info, but if you clicked on it or tried to open details nothing would happen
[18:44] <KaynRyu> spotify is doing the same thing
[18:45] <KaynRyu> so i tried to open them from terminal and i get GTK-Message: Failed to load module "gail" and "atk-bridge"
[18:45] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: alright, try a quick 'grep "USER=ema" /mnt/..../.xsession-errors.old'    does it mention any plain USER=emanuel ones?
[18:45] <KaynRyu> i tried runing apt-get install libatk-adapter libgail-common
[18:45] <KaynRyu> and just says it cant find them
[18:45] <KaynRyu> let me check
[18:46] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^ the .old file is entirely blank
[18:46] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: aha, are you able to access the main PC while being online?
[18:47] <EriC^^> we could start the session from the chroot if you can't, that way it'd be easier to troubleshoot than going back and forth between booting live usb/main
[18:47] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^ I don't quite understand the question. I am on the main PC now but only because I am using a Live USB
[18:48] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: i mean do you have another way to be on here while you start the main PC without the live usb
[18:49] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^ I can use a browser on my smart phone
[18:56] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^ I am now connected on my phone to the channel.
[18:57] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: alright
[18:57] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: try rebooting into the main PC, and at the gui try login in as your user
[18:58] <MannyLNJ-Phone> ·Ok
[18:59] <MannyLNJ-Phone> Restarting EriC^^
[19:00] <MannyLNJ-Phone> EriC^^ entered my password. Screen went black and I returned to the sign in screen
[19:01] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ-Phone: do you have a guest account you can try?
[19:01] <MannyLNJ-Phone> EriC^^ Do you want me to drop to a cli and sign in there?
[19:01] <MannyLNJ-Phone> EriC^^ I do not have a guest account
[19:01] <Bustin> Hello, I am trying to install the latest LTS release of Ubuntu on my Acer Travelmate lapop, it's giving me an error upon installing, stating it is unable to connect to TPM and then freezes before even booting in to the live installer/desktop. I have checked the bios, and there is no option for any TPM settings within it. What can I do?
[19:02] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ-Phone: alright, try going to the tty, login as your user and then try "DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm" and see what you get for errors etc
[19:03] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ-Phone: also, before running that type "rm ~/.xsession-errors"
[19:03] <MannyLNJ-Phone> EriC^^ I have a black background and a white terminal
[19:05] <tomreyn> Bustin: look for a bios update while i'll see if i can find anything on this installation issue on the web.
[19:06] <MannyLNJ-Phone> EriC^^ I exited out removed the error file signed back in same issue. Dropped to cli. Error file mentions .Inferiority
[19:06] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ-Phone: great, looks like xorg doesnt have an issue
[19:06] <EriC^^> oh
[19:07] <EriC^^> can you put more info about the error, i want to try googling for it
[19:07] <tomreyn> Bustin: if you can get the exact model number (acer travelmate is just a series) from the bottom of the laptop or (maybe) your bios setup screen, this wuold help, too.
[19:08] <Bustin> tomreyn TravelMate 8473T
[19:08] <MannyLNJ-Phone> EriC^^ autocorrect made an error out is .ICEauthouity a permission denier error
[19:08] <tomreyn> Bustin: maybe also take and upload a screenshot of the error message, or double check it's saying exactly "unable to connect to TPM" since i'm not able to find any previous reports about this.
[19:09] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ-Phone: oh, try "chown $USER: ~/.ICEauthority"
[19:10] <MannyLNJ-Phone> EriC^^ I am back.in
[19:11] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ-Phone: great
[19:13] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^,  Thank you for the help. Next time this happens I will first try to reset the ownership of .ICEauthority.
[19:14] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: no problem
[19:15] <tomreyn> Bustin: the latest bios is at https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/3727?b=1   - which one you have now should be shown on the very first screen when you hit escape , i think
[19:18] <Bustin> tomreyn I have v1.17
[19:19] <Bustin> out of date.
[19:20] <tomreyn> Bustin: i'm not sure it's this, and that we can't work around it - it could be. if you can provide the exact error message and / or a screenshot of the TPM error message we could ook for a workaround.
[19:21] <Bustin> tomreyn I'll get it to you within the next few minutes.
[19:22] <tomreyn> Bustin: Cool. Yet another question: you said you are using the latest LTS installer. latest LTS is 18.04. But there are so-called "point releases", we're now at 18.04.2, and those come with separate installer ISOs. can you tell which one you are using exactly?
[19:23] <tomreyn> if you just downloaded it recently from https://ubuntu.com/download then you'll have 18.04.2 LTS indeed. but this may be different if you downloaded elsewhere / using other means, or downloaded a while ago.
[19:24] <tomreyn> the ISO file name states the very version.
[19:27] <Bustin> tomreyn it was the 18.04 LTS.
[19:27] <Bustin> 18.04.2
[19:29] <tomreyn> ok, very well.
[19:30] <ioria> Bustin, can you try to boot with 'nomodeset' ?  (if you  get to the main menu at least)
[19:30] <Wayward_Vagabond> woo, 2TB crucial MX500 is here
[19:30] <tomreyn> Bustin: let's see the very error message first, though
[19:31] <tomreyn> Bustin: and no rush ;)
[19:33] <tomreyn> Wayward_Vagabond: congratulations. :) please keep this channel to ubuntu support topics only, though. there are others where we can socialize.
[19:35] <Bustin> tomreyn upon booting with the live usb / installer, is there a way to get to the boot menu, with the installer / live usb options? It seems to skip that, and just shows the ubuntu loading screen, with the loading dots, then freezes. I'll get the message one moment.
[19:35] <Wayward_Vagabond> tomreyn: well, as soon as I finish prepping the machine I'm going to copy stuff with, I'm mingrating this machine to that drive
[19:36] <Wayward_Vagabond> that's where the ..interesting part comes in
[19:36] <tomreyn> Bustin: yes there is. it doesnds on how you boot. this system seems a bit old, so i assume it boots in bios mode. if so, hold down shift right after the POST / vendor logo screen and it should bring up the grub menu
[19:37] <tomreyn> Wayward_Vagabond: if you have questions about plannnig (or carrying out) your ubuntu migration then that's a topic for this channel.
[19:38] <tomreyn> Bustin: doesnds -> depends  (sorry)
[19:42] <chieta> is it possible to limit an apps to connect to th internet access/ even no internet access using iptables
[19:43] <MannyLNJ> I have a headless system I am trying to install Synergy on. I downloaded synergy_1.10.2.stable_b12+8c010140_ubuntu19_amd64.deb from antother system on my lan. I copied the file to a folder and from within that folder I entered  sudo apt install ./synergy_1.10.2.stable_b12+8c010140_ubuntu19_amd64.deb  it started to download some pre-requisites then failed with N: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file
[19:43] <MannyLNJ> '/home/emanuel/Downloads/synergy_1.10.2.stable_b12+8c010140_ubuntu19_amd64.deb' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied) HOWEVER I am not logged in as root. I am ssh'd in using a normal user account
[19:43] <Bustin> tomreyn
[19:43] <Bustin> https://imgur.com/HXHX5ay
[19:44] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: try putting the .deb file in /tmp, it basically says the sandboxed user "_apt" which it uses during the install cant access the .deb files in your home dir
[19:44] <Bustin> and that's where it freezes.
[19:45] <tomreyn> Bustin: oh you're actually bootting off a dvd then?
[19:45] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^, thanks. Just moved it switched to /tmp re-ran the install and now it says it's already the newest version
[19:46] <tomreyn> Bustin: personally i very much prefer usb flash / ssd media based installations. have you considered this? you'd need one that can be fully overwritten though.
[19:46] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: you could try apt install --reinstall /path/to/deb
[19:47] <Bustin> tomreyn no, this is off of a Lexar usb flash drive.
[19:48] <MannyLNJ> EriC^^, thank you. That worked. I think though I will drag a monitor over to it. I'm not grat on the CLI and never got the hang ov using VNC to access one ubuntu system remotly from another
[19:49] <EriC^^> MannyLNJ: sounds good
[19:49] <tomreyn> Bustin: oh ok, i guess i got this wrong then. well there's nothing about TPM this time, so apparently it's not always giving the same result. i would suggest you try writing the usb again after verifying the iso downloaded properly and then also make sure it fully writes to the usb drive.
[19:49] <tomreyn> !checksum | Bustin
[19:50] <glsorre> \join python
[19:50] <tomreyn> !nomodeset | Bustin: this is also an option, as ioria already mentioned
[19:50] <Bustin> tomreyn I have verified the checksum, rewritten it multiple times, downloaded multiple times, verified with Etcher, Rufus, etc.
[19:51] <Bustin> tomreyn also, holding shift, doesn't bring up any menu for me.
[19:51] <tomreyn> Bustin: trey repeatedly hitting escape then
[19:52] <tomreyn> escape should work both in bios and uefi boot modes
[19:52] <tomreyn> ...i think. at least it works for uefi
[19:52] <tomreyn> !kernelparam
[19:52] <tomreyn> !kernelparm
[19:52] <Bustin> tomreyn I've tried escape too :(  I can't seem to get to that menu, so I can enter nomodeset etc. Funny thing is, if I try installing Windows 10, it also freezes when it comes to "copying files".
[19:53] <Bustin> ^ just tested a windows 10 usb
[19:54] <tomreyn> Bustin: that's from the same or a different usb stick?
[19:54] <tomreyn> it does sound like a hardware issue now. you should carry out a memory test.
[19:57] <caroga> hi all
[19:58] <EriC^^> Bustin: can you switch to UEFI mode in the bios (or turn CSM legacy off)? that should give you a grub menu when you first boot
[19:59] <caroga> Could anyone help me with getting my hdmi / dp ports working using ubuntu 19.04 (fresh install) and nouveau drivers?
[20:00] <brenster21> hello quick question what is the best pratice for mounting external drives to my home folder?
[20:00] <brenster21> So username/drive so if my computer restarts the drives will automount themselves back to their locations?
[20:01] <caroga> brenster21that won't work that way
[20:01] <brenster21> :(
[20:01] <caroga> lemme send you an article
[20:01] <brenster21> sure
[20:01] <Bustin> EriC^^ this laptop is older, it doesn't have UEFI I don't think? no option either in bios. Also, when selecting the usb drive from the boot menu, I get a quick error saying "Error: file '/boot/' not found." tomreyn
[20:02] <Bustin> but then it just goes right to the ubuntu loading screen, with the loading dots, saying "Ubuntu"
[20:02] <Bustin> pressing escape reveals the image I linked earlier.
[20:02] <caroga> brenster21 It comes down basically to something like this: https://www.fosslinux.com/4216/how-to-automount-hard-disk-partitions-in-ubuntu.htm
[20:04] <brenster21> caroga but the article says you can do that unless i am missing something, i have root access, and am doing it via ssh
[20:04] <caroga> oke
[20:05] <tomreyn> Bustin: do you have an ubuntu installation on the hard disk already? it could be that it falls back to that after printing this "Error: file '/boot/' not found." error message
[20:05] <Bustin> tomreyn no, I do not.
[20:05] <Bustin> so odd =/
[20:05] <EriC^^> Bustin: i'd md5sum the iso, use a different known good USB if possible, and use something very reliable to make the USB installer, such as dd from another linux PC or if you have a windows PC then rufus or https://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[20:06] <EriC^^> Bustin: also, it won't hurt to try a different USB port as well
[20:06] <tomreyn> Bustin: do the memtest. if this reveals nothing (after a night), maybe try an 'alternative server' installation instead.
[20:17] <Wayward_Vagabond> Would "cp -a /source/foo /dest/bar" for my os partitions and home, sorting out the fstabs, then letting grub do it's think after using a grub-live to boot the first time be a viable strategy to migrate HDD?
[20:22] <OerHeks> Wayward_Vagabond, yes, use the live iso and grub wiki to reinstall with the correct UUIDs after cloning
[20:22] <OerHeks> !grub
[20:22] <Wayward_Vagabond> Oh, "cp -ax"
[20:23] <OerHeks> and -R recusive
[20:23] <Wayward_Vagabond> wait, no, if I'm not botted from that drive, it shouldn't have any mount points
[20:23] <Wayward_Vagabond> *booted
[20:23] <OerHeks> just DD the partitions
[20:24] <OerHeks> err, do not clone from a running system
[20:26] <Wayward_Vagabond> OerHeks: I'm going to the optical drives in my desktop, and stick both drives in there
[20:39] <analogical> is there a disk check tool for ubuntu with a gui?
[20:39] <EriC^^> analogical: there's a program called "disks" in the menu somewhere
[20:40] <analogical> does that program check the file system for errors?
[20:41] <EriC^^> analogical: no just the disk health
[20:41] <analogical> I need a program that can check the file system for errors
[20:43] <rory> analogical: the program is called fsck https://www.tecmint.com/fsck-repair-file-system-errors-in-linux/
[20:43] <rory> analogical: not with a gui
[20:44] <Bustin> No dice, tried rufus, tried Linux live usb creator, tried a different USB. I have also ran a memtest. I'm lost.
[20:45] <rory> analogical: the best way is probably to force fsck to run on next boot by running this command and then rebooting: sudo touch /forcefsck
[20:45] <EriC^^> Bustin: did you try a different port? also, do you have multiple hdd's attached and can you remove them? maybe that's the issue?
[20:45] <EriC^^> (i mean try booting with just the usb no hdd at all)
[20:45] <rory> analogical: you can't check the filesystem while it is mounted, so you have to use the above, or else run fsck from a live CD/USB.
[20:45] <Bustin> EriC^^ have tried different USB ports, and just a single drive. You mean remove the drive itself, and try booting from the USB?
[20:45] <EriC^^> Bustin: yeah
[20:46] <Bustin> I'll give that a go, luckily the hard drive bay is easy to get to :D
[20:46] <EriC^^> cool :D
[20:49] <tomreyn> Bustin: running a thorough memtest would take hours, not 15 minutes
[20:52] <Bustin> EriC^^: removing the hdd and booting from the USB, still gives the same error, as linked in the image.
[20:52] <Bustin> tomreyn: yea, I'll run a more thorough one tonight.
[20:53] <Bustin> I do have 2 dimms, so maybe i'll try removing, and a process of elimination.
[20:53] <TJ-> Bustin: there's a screenshot? can you repeat the URL?
[20:54] <Bustin> TJ-
[20:54] <Bustin> https://imgur.com/HXHX5ay
[20:56] <TJ-> Bustin: I came in after you reported the issue; I don't see anything in that screenshot that implies a problem
[20:56] <Bustin> TJ- the installation / boot process after that last message just freezes, won't do anything but stay there.
[20:57] <TJ-> Bustin: you're starting it with the "Try Ubuntu" option?
[22:01] <afx_> Hello everyone ! Trying to list my gnome-extensions however I am getting this: Although GNOME Shell integration extension is running, native host connector is not detected. Refer documentation for instructions about installing connector , in chromium
[22:01] <afx_> and I have chrome-gnome-shell installed
[22:03] <afx_> ah found the problem after all
[22:03] <afx_> I was missing certifi package
[22:31] <Bustin> TJ- sorry, I was afk a bit. It doesn't allow me to select any options, I have tried holding shift when booting from the USB, tried hitting escape (which stops the usb from booting even pressing it once), and no menu ever comes up to select which option I wish to use.
[22:32] <Bustin> When I hit f12 I select the USB, it boots to the Ubuntu screen, with the loading dots beneath the Ubuntu text.
[22:32] <TJ-> Bustin: hmmmm, do you know i the motherboard is using UEFI ?
[22:33] <Bustin> AHCI and IDE mode in bios, but nothing about UEFI, It is an older laptop (acer travelmate 8473T)
[22:33] <Bustin> so I don't think so.
[22:34] <Bustin> TJ- ^
[22:34] <TJ-> Bustin: OK, so if it is BIOS it won't use GRUB to boot (that's for UEFI boot of the installer), it'll be using syslinux
[22:35] <TJ-> Bustin: in which case as soon as it starts you should get a delay whilst it displays an icon at the bottom center of the screen with a keyboard accessibility icon, and if you press a key it'll ask you to select a language
[22:36] <OerHeks> indeed, There is no option for secure boot in the BIOS, only TPM (Trusted Platform Module) .. disable that?
[22:36] <OerHeks> and make sure AHCI
[22:36] <TJ-> Bustin: I think I can help you know what to expect here; I recently wrote a guide for doing full disk encryption, but it includes an explanation of the installers' boot modes, with screenshots. Take a look so you know what should be happening: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[22:37] <Bustin> There is no options in the BIOS for TPM. TJ- There is no icon, it literally just boots to the Ubuntu loading screen with the "loading dots".
[22:37] <Bustin> I'll check the link.
[22:37] <TJ-> Bustin: which ISO file did you download?
[22:38] <Bustin> LTS 18.04.2
[22:38] <TJ-> THat should look identical to the screenshots I've done
[22:39] <TJ-> Bustin: the desktop installer is that? (not server) ?
[22:39] <TJ-> Bustin: look at the section "First boot screen"
[22:39] <Bustin> TJ- yes, desktop installer.
[22:40] <TJ-> Bustin: what is the make/model of the PC you're trying to install on ?
[22:40] <brenster21> so I am trying to move a large directory to a different drive with rsync. rsync -avh /home/maindrive/torrent/TV to TV/tv-unsorted but i am getting IO code 11
[22:41] <Bustin> TJ- I don't get any of those boot screens, it goes straight to the "loading screen" which says Ubuntu (has the colored background) and the "loading dots" under the Ubuntu text.
[22:41] <Bustin> then freezes after populating the dots one round
[22:41] <Bustin> pressing escape shows the image I linked to you earlier.
[22:41] <TJ-> Bustin: are you using a USb keyboard?
[22:41] <Bustin> it's an Acer TravelMate 8473T
[22:42] <Bustin> TJ- no, the built in keyboard (it's a laptop).
[22:42] <jeremy31> Bustin: That is the loading screen for legacy/BIOS boot
[22:43] <brenster21> nevrmind
[22:45] <Bashing-om> brenster21: What are the files systems ? both source and destination. Maybe fat that has the 4 Gigs limit ? Also tell rsync these are directories that are being copied with trailing '/' .
[22:46] <brenster21> it was the trailing /
[22:46] <Bashing-om> brenster21: :D
[22:47] <brenster21> dumb question i ran the command rsync -avh stuff &. is there a way i can move that to the background? (i am doing this in terminal and dont want the job to stop in case i lose my ssh connection
[22:48] <Bustin> jeremy31 so using legacy / bios, is there a way to bring up the grub boot menu, to enter parameters, such as 'nomodeset' ? I have tried pressing escape, have tried holding shift, nothing seems to work.
[22:49] <Bashing-om> Bustin: Here the only dumb question is the one not asked - as to continuation - sounds like a job for 'tmux' .
[22:49] <Bashing-om> sorry Bustin - not watching what I am doinf :( .. brenster21 see my last :)
[22:50] <TJ-> Bashing-om: hmmm, I grabbed a BIOS upgrade for it, and it is definitely a Phoenix BIOS
[22:50] <OerHeks> those nomodeset options would appear on the main screen after loading, and loading could take some time.
[22:50] <jeremy31> Bustin: you might just have to press a key on the keyboard to get grub options
[22:50] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I do run Phoenix Bios .. what can I check for you ?
[22:54] <TJ-> Bashing-om: nothing I can think of, I just wanted to confirm what firmware it had :)
[22:54] <TJ-> jeremy31: it'll boot syslinux not GRUB
[22:55] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Old Phoenix bios is picky about setting to boot from USB - are we sure the USB is selected ? - or the system attempting to boot the hard drive ?
[22:56] <TJ-> Bustin: during early start-up, before the Ubuntu splash appears, would you say the display is updated in a lazy manner? I'm wondering if the reason you do not see the accessibility keyboard icon bottom-center is the screen refresh is slow, and so it gets overtaken by the splash screen
[22:56] <TJ-> Bashing-om: hmmm, are you suggesting Bustin  has an old version of Ubuntu already installed? I thought this was a PC with no prior Linux on?
[22:56] <Bustin> TJ-  took a video, will upload it to my dropbox, so you can see what happens. Does that work for you?
[22:57] <Bustin> That can't be true, I took the drive out, to rule out hardware issues (as suggested by other users earlier).
[22:57] <TJ-> Bustin: Yes, that could be very helpful since we may pick up clues you'd not know were significant
[22:57] <Bustin> Acts the same with the HDD in or out of the laptop.
[22:58] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Bust bouncing idees .. I can come up with only 2 reasons that the USB installer does not boot . One of which is the procedure to enable USB booting.
[22:59] <Bustin> TJ- https://www.dropbox.com/s/wyofa994vhm581a/IMG-0005.MOV.mov?dl=0
[23:00] <TJ-> Bustin: right, so that confirms the ISO is starting. Have you (or can you) tried/try tapping the space key as soon as the BIOS starts loading from the USB to see if you can interrupt  syslinux and get to its options?
[23:02] <TJ-> Bustin: it's quite blurred at the start: does that 3rd boot option say "USB  HDD: ..." ?
[23:03] <Bustin> TJ- attempted space key as stated by you, if I do it prior to the LED lighting up on the USB (when selecting it from the boot menu), it fails to load the ISO. If I do it after it flashes a few times, it goes to the loading screen shown in the video.
[23:03] <Bustin> TJ- yes it does "USB HDD: Lexar USB Flash Drive".
[23:04] <deker> hi all.......anyone familiar with ubuntu's UEFI booting process?
[23:04] <TJ-> Bustin: hmmm, this is looking like a definite problem with either the ISO image on the USB, or some incompatibility between the Acer and that Lexar
[23:04] <Bustin> I have tried other USB drives as well.
[23:04] <Bustin> I have also verified the ISO
[23:05] <TJ-> Bustin: have you been able to verify the USB contents against the downloaded ISO's checksum ?
[23:05] <TJ-> Bustin: what OS are you using right now for IRC?
[23:05] <Bustin> I am on Windows 10 currently.
[23:05] <Bustin> I have burned with Etcher, burned with Rufus, burned with Linux live usb creator
[23:06] <EriC^^> Bustin: which iso is it? the ubuntu desktop .iso?
[23:06] <Bustin> ubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-amd64
[23:06] <TJ-> Bustin: are you familar with virtual machines? right now if it were me I'd install VirtualBox on Windows, and then create a VM and attach that USB device to the VM and boot it and see if that USB installer works correctly. If it does, you know there's a problem with the Acer
[23:07] <Bashing-om> deker: See TJ-'s illustrated guide: http://iam.tj/prototype/guides/boot/ ,
[23:07] <TJ-> Bashing-om: every time you do that I have forgotten I wrote that :)
[23:08] <deker> Bustin: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[23:08] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I got a note ! :P
[23:08] <deker> Bashing-om: Thank you.....I have a very specific question about the post-installation in UEFI
[23:09] <Bashing-om> !ask | deker
[23:09] <deker> Ubuntu wrote a folder titled "ubuntu" into my EFI system drive (trying to set itself up along side Win 10)
[23:09] <EriC^^> Bustin: is it a 64bit laptop?
[23:09] <deker> And I then installed a variant called Backbox, but that also installs a "ubuntu" directory
[23:10] <deker> So, my question is.......it appears renaming the created EFI dirs to be different does not work
[23:10] <deker> Backbox seems to have taken over
[23:10] <EriC^^> deker: boot into ubuntu and run 'sudo grub-install'
[23:10] <deker> Can I find a way to ensure Ubuntu 18.04 has its own "grub" and Backbox has its own?
[23:10] <deker> i'm booted into ubuntu right now actually
[23:11] <deker> will try it
[23:11] <deker> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[23:11] <deker> Installation finished. No error reported.
[23:13] <deker> hmmm....looks like ubuntu just took back over
[23:13] <Bustin> EriC^^ yes, it's 64bit.
[23:13] <deker> i need to try and keep them separate and neither one steps over the other
[23:13] <OerHeks> blackbox ..
[23:13] <deker> backbox
[23:13] <TJ-> deker: in backbox, edit /etc/default/grub and add GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="backbox" to the end then re-install grub from it, as in "grub-install /dev/sdX" ... then you'll need to boot into the real Ubuntu install (or chroot into it) and "grub-install /dev/sdX" there too
[23:13] <TJ-> deker: the name of the directory /EFI/ubuntu/ is set by GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR
[23:14] <TJ-> deker: so if you change that variable in backbox it'll create /EFI/backbox/ and keep them separate :)
[23:14] <deker> TJ-: excellent! this is the type of stuff I needed to know
[23:20] <deker> TJ-: booting into backbox now....will stop by shortly and let you know how it went
[23:35] <caroga> hi everyone! I have ubuntu 19.04 installed, fresh. I am unable to get any HDMI / DP output working with nouveau though (as in 18.04). Could someone help me out ?
[23:38] <Vixtron> Install nvidia drivers?
[23:38] <caroga> I wish to avoid that, as it's a laptop and nvidia draws way too much power.
[23:39] <deker> TJ- I'm back......no dice still it seems
[23:39] <deker> Ubuntu is still running the show
[23:39] <deker> Going to either one loads Ubuntu
[23:40] <TJ-> deker: did the backbox changes not result in an /EFI/backbox/ ?
[23:40] <deker> In Backbox's /etc/default/grub, I have:
[23:40] <deker> GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="Backbox"
[23:40] <deker> GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="Backbox"
[23:40] <deker> Hmmm...you know what? I renamed it to /EFI/backbox
[23:40] <deker> let me delete it fully and let it recreate itself?
[23:41] <deker> when i run grub-install.......what drive should i point it to?
[23:41] <deker> the backbox /boot mount point? or backbox root (/) >
[23:41] <deker> ?
[23:41] <deker> or the EFI partition?
[23:41] <TJ-> deker: after adding GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="backbox" did you do "grub-install /dev/sdX" where X is the drive letter
[23:41] <EriC^^> you shouldn't need to point it anywhere with efi
[23:42] <EriC^^> deker:
[23:42] <deker> TJ-: i did run the command, but i had it's old folder and just renamed it from ubuntu to backbox
[23:42] <deker> /dev/sdX" where X is the drive letter ------ the drive letter of what exactly?
[23:43] <deker> backbox's /boot or backbox's / or the EFI drive?
[23:43] <TJ-> deker: the drive letter of the device that has the EFI-SP on it
[23:43] <deker> ok, that for me is /dev/sda2 then
[23:43] <TJ-> deker: e.g. "sudo grub-install -v /dev/sda |& tee /tmp/grub-install.log"
[23:43] <deker> that's where all of the EFI files are kept
[23:43] <TJ-> deker: NO it is NOT sda2
[23:44] <deker> oh?
[23:44] <TJ-> deker: "/dev/sda"
[23:44] <deker> ok so the main drive
[23:44] <deker> ok coming right up
[23:44] <TJ-> deker: precisely :)
[23:44] <deker> Boot0000* Windows Boot Manager
[23:44] <deker> Boot0001* ubuntu
[23:44] <deker> Boot0002* ubuntu
[23:44] <deker> Boot0003* Windows Boot Manager
[23:44] <deker> Boot0004* backbox
[23:44] <deker> Installation finished. No error reported.
[23:45] <TJ-> deker: if you capture that grub-install log, you can do "grep efibootmgr" and see if the distributor ID was used
[23:47] <deker> looks like it created the dir
[23:47] <deker> rebooting now, brb
[23:47] <Bustin> TJ- worked via a virtualbox. I wonder what on the acer laptop would cause this to lock up? It's also happening with a windows 10 USB,it freezes at "copying files".
[23:48] <TJ-> Bustin: great that you proved the USB is good :)
[23:48] <Bashing-om> Bustin: TJ- Acer == "set trust" in bios ?
[23:49] <TJ-> Bustin: I'm thinking there's something about the Acer hardware config since this is abnormal; I wonder if there's some obscure setting in the BIOS setup. At this point I'd highly recommend you do a factor/default reset of the BIOS config
[23:49] <TJ-> Bashing-om: no, it's not UEFO
[23:49] <TJ-> hehehe, UEFI
[23:50] <TJ-> grrrr, too tired to type! Bustin  BIOS factory/default reset
[23:50] <Bashing-om> TJ-: UFO would work as well for me - as UEFI illiterate as I be :P
[23:50] <EriC^^> someone mentioned there's a bios update for it?
[23:51] <Bustin> TJ- I have done so. There is a bios update since the version I have from acer, I'll try that, but never updated without having the Windows bios tool.
[23:51] <deker> no dice, ubuntu seems to have taken over
[23:52] <deker> and even though backbox can create its own folder inside the EFI drive, the bootloader still defaults to ubuntu
[23:52] <deker> i see the purple screen and i know right away, that's ubuntu
[23:52] <deker> backbox's grub screen is black
[23:52] <deker> there must be one one other piece of the puzzle somewhere that has to be modified
[23:53] <TJ-> Bustin: when I looked at the BIOS upgrade file earlier, it has a DOS tools so you'd just need a bootable DOS image (maybe freedos)
[23:53] <TJ-> deker: can you show us in a pastebin "efibootmgr -v"
[23:53] <deker> TJ-: sure
[23:54] <TJ-> deker: does Ubuntu start even though you choose Backbox at the UEFI boot menu?
[23:55] <deker> TJ- yup
[23:55] <deker> https://pastebin.com/AyTDLMKc
[23:55] <deker> i'm booted into ubuntu at the moment, just FYI
[23:56] <deker> that's where i ran the command from
[23:56] <TJ-> deker: are you using Secureboot ?
[23:56] <deker> TJ-: nope, i have that turned off
[23:59] <TJ-> deker: I *think* the issue you have the Ubuntu signed grub boot files, shimx64.efi and grubx64.efi, which have the /EFI/ubuntu/ path hard-coded into them. In the backbox install check "apt list --installed apt 'grub*signed' 'shim*signed' " -- if those 2 are installed then this is the issue
[23:59] <TJ-> deker: typo, edit out the 'apt' in the middle of that command!