| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 02:59 |
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| lordievader | Good morning | 06:20 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | Good morning lordievader | 06:21 |
| lordievader | Morning EoflaOEViceCity. How are you doing? | 06:22 |
| lotuspsychje | hey EoflaOEViceCity | 06:22 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | I am doing fine. How about you | hello lotuspsychje | 06:23 |
| lotuspsychje | all good on this side tnx | 06:23 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | You are welcome. | 06:23 |
| lordievader | Doing good here :) | 06:25 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | Sorry for leaving, but Android oom-killer is killing IRC client. | 06:26 |
| lordievader | Use a bouncer ;) | 06:26 |
| lordievader | Or better, use matrix </advertisement> | 06:27 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | What do you mean? My Android is 1GB RAM and is autokilling everything when opening the second app. I will have to find a solution. | 06:28 |
| lordievader | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_(software) | 06:29 |
| lordievader | It is typically not recommended to run an irc client from a phone due to the frequent disconnects. | 06:30 |
| lordievader | So the work around is to take a host with a stable connection, run the irc client on there and connect your mobile to that host. | 06:30 |
| lordievader | Oh and for more information about matrix: https://matrix.org | 06:31 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | OK. Will do that soon. | 06:34 |
| marcoagpinto | Heya! | 07:07 |
| marcoagpinto | Buaaaaaaaaaaa...... I have run out of cola!!!! And last night the supermarket only had normal cola next to the checkouts so I couldn't buy cola zero :( | 07:46 |
| marcoagpinto | I have only drunk 1 litre | 07:46 |
| lordievader | Brrr 1 litre of cola. That would be enough for me to last a year. | 08:00 |
| * lordievader rarely drinks cola | 08:01 | |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 08:01 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 10:54 |
| marcoagpinto | bluesceada!!!! Hello! | 10:58 |
| marcoagpinto | I have been working on the British speller since 7am | 10:58 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 10:58 |
| marcoagpinto | 5 hours ago | 10:58 |
| marcoagpinto | it is a hard work but someone has to do it | 10:59 |
| lotuspsychje | immu: https://ubuntu.com/desktop/statistics | 16:27 |
| immu | hi lotuspsychje | 16:27 |
| immu | remember me lotuspsychje | 16:27 |
| luna | yo BluesKaj | 16:27 |
| immu | hi ducasse | 16:28 |
| BluesKaj | hey luna/ducasse | 16:28 |
| lotuspsychje | hey Mathisen | 16:29 |
| sonicwind | interesting link, lotuspsychje ... I haven't seen that before | 16:30 |
| lotuspsychje | sonicwind: might not be real accurate but.. | 16:30 |
| lotuspsychje | its an idea right | 16:30 |
| sonicwind | better than anything else maybe | 16:30 |
| immu | lotuspsychje, we had a kubuntu user here named blueskaj , he is still around? | 16:30 |
| lotuspsychje | immu: scroll up | 16:31 |
| sonicwind | BluesKaj, is in the room here | 16:31 |
| BluesKaj | immu, that's me | 16:31 |
| immu | BluesKaj, hi | 16:31 |
| BluesKaj | hi immu | 16:31 |
| immu | long time huh BluesKaj | 16:32 |
| immu | so as asked how many of users here prefer a LTS release? | 16:34 |
| sonicwind | lotuspsychje, 11% still using 800x600 | 16:34 |
| lotuspsychje | count me 1 immu | 16:34 |
| Mathisen | LTS for work, not for home :) | 16:34 |
| BluesKaj | immu, I'm a Kubuntu tester so i'm usually running a dev OS | 16:34 |
| sonicwind | I use LTS | 16:34 |
| immu | i am still undecided between a lts or point release cycle of ubuntu | 16:36 |
| sonicwind | do you value stability? | 16:37 |
| BluesKaj | LTS has point releases | 16:37 |
| lotuspsychje | i think he means non-lts | 16:37 |
| lotuspsychje | immu: wich version are you on now, and wich versions are you doubting about? | 16:38 |
| tomreyn | unless you can list reasons which require you to use non LTS releases, use LTS | 16:38 |
| sonicwind | hi tomreyn | 16:38 |
| tomreyn | hi sonicwind | 16:38 |
| immu | do lts releases get software updates like latest version of google chrome or firefox? | 16:39 |
| immu | gnome also | 16:39 |
| lotuspsychje | immu: do you need latest versions, and why? | 16:40 |
| immu | newer features | 16:40 |
| leftyfb | immu: google chrome and firefox are different than most packages and do get updates through LTS releases | 16:40 |
| tomreyn | LTS releases get rolling releases for firefox and chromium. | 16:41 |
| sonicwind | lotuspsychje, I don't know how accurate these stats are in that link, but I am finding them fascinating | 16:41 |
| tomreyn | leftyfb: google chrome, too? via partner? | 16:41 |
| lotuspsychje | sonicwind: (i think )they started those stats, togheter with the ubuntu welcome screen | 16:42 |
| sonicwind | I thought a lot more people were using lvm and encrypted lvm | 16:42 |
| tomreyn | i assume those stats were accurate at the time they were generated, which was sometime last year | 16:42 |
| immu | do software vendors targeting Ubuntu, target LTS release? say steam? | 16:43 |
| lotuspsychje | sonicwind: This report is generated from basic, non-identifiable system data that was provided by users when installing Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. | 16:43 |
| lotuspsychje | sonicwind: so users can also choose, to not send stats | 16:43 |
| sonicwind | right | 16:43 |
| immu | also i believe less headache on LTS release? | 16:43 |
| leftyfb | tomreyn: via their own repo which gets installed when you install the package from their site | 16:43 |
| tomreyn | immu: most target LTS, sometimes also the latest stable non-LTS release. | 16:44 |
| tomreyn | leftyfb: oh right. | 16:44 |
| tomreyn | i had forgotten the run a repo | 16:45 |
| tomreyn | installer defaults matter a lot, really. many people just keep what's default, don't enable encryption. i think 'ubuntu desktop' should default to FDE (incl. /boot) on at least laptops. but this would depend on canonical hiring more staff to actually make this happen, test it a lot, and do it in a way that lets users recover their system or at least their data if things fail. ubuntu used to be leading in such general improvements, but | 16:54 |
| tomreyn | that's a while ago sadly. | 16:54 |
| immu | has the new nvidia drivers landed? | 16:55 |
| immu | in LTS ? | 16:56 |
| lotuspsychje | immu: is this what you readed? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/05/ubuntu-19-10-nvidia-drivers-iso | 16:57 |
| immu | no, this one https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/07/install-nvidia-driver-update-ubuntu-its @lotuspsychje | 16:58 |
| tomreyn | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NVidiaUpdates | 17:00 |
| lotuspsychje | immu: do you have an nvidia card? | 17:00 |
| immu | yes i do | 17:00 |
| lotuspsychje | immu: and wich version of ubuntu are you running? | 17:01 |
| immu | 19.04 as of now | 17:01 |
| lotuspsychje | immu: i thought you said you were still doubting wich ubuntu version you would install? | 17:01 |
| immu | yeah | 17:01 |
| immu | i am thinking of install LTS on other system | 17:01 |
| lotuspsychje | immu: check: ubuntu-drivers list | 17:02 |
| immu | sure brb | 17:02 |
| immu | let me install LTS | 17:03 |
| immu | brb | 17:03 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 17:03 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | hi lotuspsychje | 17:03 |
| lotuspsychje | hey EoflaOEViceCity | 17:03 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | How was your day? | 17:03 |
| lotuspsychje | warm | 17:03 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | Me too, it was on night in my time, but generally, warm all the time. | 17:04 |
| lotuspsychje | EoflaOEViceCity: i see your blog also contains ubuntu articles | 17:11 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | lotuspsychje: Nice. Do you have a blog about Ubuntu or Linux? | 17:12 |
| lotuspsychje | EoflaOEViceCity: no, im running a webshop busniess with ubuntu LTS and samsung ssd's, from home | 17:13 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | Nice. Can I see it? | 17:14 |
| lotuspsychje | EoflaOEViceCity: i do have a blogger, linked for my customers news | 17:14 |
| lotuspsychje | EoflaOEViceCity: https://lotuscomputers.be | 17:14 |
| lotuspsychje | only in duch for now | 17:14 |
| lotuspsychje | *dutch | 17:14 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | Nice design. Can I translate the whole website to English?. | 17:16 |
| lotuspsychje | its fine, its on my list mate | 17:16 |
| lotuspsychje | EoflaOEViceCity: we do have an Ubuntu news lettre if you like, they always looking for articles writers, are you interested? | 17:17 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | Was it with English? If so, then yes. | 17:18 |
| lotuspsychje | EoflaOEViceCity: yes, see #ubuntu-news | 17:18 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | OK | 17:19 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | Joined. | 17:19 |
| lotuspsychje | EoflaOEViceCity: here's an example: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue587 | 17:20 |
| lotuspsychje | EoflaOEViceCity: if you still like it, leave a proposal in #ubuntu-news you would like to contribute | 17:20 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | OK. | 17:22 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: how to see if debian has the same version? | 18:40 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: maybe show output of "dconf" as well. | 18:41 |
| tomreyn | ..oin the bug report | 18:41 |
| tomreyn | debian has https://packages.debian.org which works mostly the same way as ubuntu's, since ubuntu borrowed this from debian | 18:41 |
| tomreyn | i.e. https://packages.debian.org/gnome-boxes | 18:42 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: the output is described in the description, but only 2 lines, all the rest are the same lines spamming | 18:42 |
| tomreyn | on your bug report, you showed the output of dconf-editor, not that of dconf, right? | 18:43 |
| lotuspsychje | oh | 18:43 |
| lotuspsychje | wich command on dconf? | 18:44 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: bionics version is also: 3.28.1-1 dont see that one in debian? | 18:45 |
| tomreyn | okay, don't file it against debian then | 18:46 |
| lotuspsychje | k tnx | 18:46 |
| tomreyn | dconf has get and dump commands, i think | 18:46 |
| tomreyn | note how i suggested you cross test with dconf in #ubuntu ;) | 18:47 |
| tomreyn | (i did not say "cross test" though) | 18:47 |
| lotuspsychje | gotya | 18:48 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: spitted out this: https://hastebin.com/dopamawoze.coffeescript | 18:48 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: you're looking for key "collections" | 18:51 |
| tomreyn | dconf doesn't seem to show it there, maybe its in a lower hierachy? | 18:51 |
| tomreyn | maybe run dconf list /org/gnome/boxes/ | 18:52 |
| tomreyn | this should list available targets there | 18:52 |
| lotuspsychje | empty values | 18:53 |
| tomreyn | hmm. i'm not really sure how this stuff works, i must admit | 18:54 |
| lotuspsychje | nothing on dconf list /org/gnome/boxes/collections/ neither | 18:54 |
| tomreyn | i guess it's more likely to be a bug in dconf-editor though if dconf itself doesn't throw any warnings when you're accessing the same schema | 18:55 |
| tomreyn | ah maybe gsettings would be the right CLI utility to cross test with, not dconf | 18:56 |
| tomreyn | try gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.boxes | 18:57 |
| lotuspsychje | that seems to work | 18:57 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: https://hastebin.com/piqerakozo.rb | 18:57 |
| tomreyn | did it list the collections key including its values? | 18:57 |
| tomreyn | same warning, ok | 18:58 |
| tomreyn | so, yes, should be a gnome-boxes issue | 18:58 |
| lotuspsychje | want me to add the output aswell? | 18:59 |
| tomreyn | up to you ;-) it's really using gio libs to access this data both times | 18:59 |
| tomreyn | but developers may prefer CLI utils over GUI ones. | 18:59 |
| lotuspsychje | well it looks useful info on all values | 19:00 |
| tomreyn | maybe not gnome devs, though, not sure ;) | 19:00 |
| lotuspsychje | updated bug #1837445 | 19:01 |
| ubot5 | bug 1837445 in gnome-boxes (Ubuntu) "Failed to parse translated string on dconf-editor launch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1837445 | 19:01 |
| tomreyn | nice. so now you just need to find a volunteer to handle this bug, or proove that it also exists in gnomes' gnome-boxes source code repository and maybe a volunteer or non-volunteer will handle it then. ;) | 19:02 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah not much volunteers are using gnome boxes, think it was ruenoak saying he liked it | 19:03 |
| lotuspsychje | plus, this might be the dutch part complaining too | 19:04 |
| lotuspsychje | maybe the english version wont spit out | 19:04 |
| tomreyn | "Most contributors to Boxes hang out at #boxes on irc.gnome.org. Contributors, users and developers are more than welcome to direct any questions there. Discussions also take place at our Mailing list. " | 19:05 |
| tomreyn | from https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes/Resources | 19:05 |
| lotuspsychje | aha | 19:05 |
| lotuspsychje | whats that translate trick again to fool a language | 19:05 |
| tomreyn | export LANGUAGE=C | 19:06 |
| tomreyn | https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-boxes/blob/master/po/nl.po is the dutch .po file | 19:06 |
| lotuspsychje | bingo tomreyn | 19:07 |
| lotuspsychje | the export trick doesnt give errors | 19:07 |
| tomreyn | line 97 | 19:07 |
| tomreyn | i compared with de.po (german) and the syntax / format there is identical. | 19:09 |
| tomreyn | so either multiple .po's are incorrect, or gio fails to parse this properly. | 19:10 |
| lotuspsychje | maybe every non-english language will spam errors? | 19:10 |
| tomreyn | you know how to test it | 19:10 |
| lotuspsychje | no | 19:10 |
| tomreyn | oh LANGUAGE=fr or something | 19:11 |
| lotuspsychje | oh right | 19:11 |
| tomreyn | you'd need to have the locale installed, thoough | 19:11 |
| lotuspsychje | lets do that | 19:11 |
| tomreyn | sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales | 19:11 |
| tomreyn | and select the ones you want to test | 19:12 |
| tomreyn | this will cause these selected locales to be generated for every software you have installed. can take a while | 19:13 |
| tomreyn | i don't really know how to do it just for one application using ubuntu / debian tooling. | 19:13 |
| lotuspsychje | added fr be | 19:14 |
| lotuspsychje | and its reconfiguring the whole list | 19:14 |
| tomreyn | so you should be able to get localized apt update output now | 19:15 |
| tomreyn | (just an example) | 19:15 |
| lotuspsychje | list still going :p | 19:16 |
| tomreyn | yes, this can be some minutes | 19:16 |
| lotuspsychje | *** update-locale: Warning: LANGUAGE ("nl_BE:nl") is not compatible with LANG (fr_BE). Disabling it. | 19:18 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 19:18 |
| tomreyn | hmmm | 19:22 |
| lotuspsychje | tryed DE or FR but stays english | 19:22 |
| tomreyn | set LANG rather than LANGUAGE then | 19:22 |
| tomreyn | example: export LANG=nl_BE.UTF-8 | 19:23 |
| tomreyn | you may need to close and reopen the temrinal emulator window to reset it to the default LANG (or run export setting the default, if you know your default) | 19:24 |
| tomreyn | you may need to close and reopen the temrinal emulator window to reset it to the default LANGUAGE (or run export LANGUAGE=... thus setting the default, if you know your default) | 19:24 |
| tomreyn | ^ this | 19:25 |
| lotuspsychje | whats the DE value | 19:25 |
| tomreyn | DE is the ISO language code for german, but where did you spot this? | 19:28 |
| lotuspsychje | locales -a | 19:29 |
| tomreyn | "locale -a" would print it since it's an available locale in ubuntu, yes. | 19:32 |
| lotuspsychje | doing something wrong i think | 19:32 |
| tomreyn | actually, locale -a prints locales available on your system | 19:33 |
| tomreyn | so you may have selected this one | 19:33 |
| lotuspsychje | lotuspsychje@Rootbox:~$ export LANGUAGE=fr_FR dconf-editor | 19:34 |
| lotuspsychje | bash: export: 'dconf-editor': is geen geldige naam | 19:34 |
| lotuspsychje | not a valid name | 19:34 |
| tomreyn | make this two commands | 19:34 |
| tomreyn | either LANGUAGE=fr_FR dconf-editor | 19:34 |
| tomreyn | or export LANGUAGE=fr_FR; dconf-editor | 19:35 |
| tomreyn | the former runs only this command with the given environment variable set | 19:35 |
| lotuspsychje | the later worked yeah | 19:35 |
| lotuspsychje | dconf id in french now | 19:35 |
| tomreyn | the latter sets this environment variable within the active shell session | 19:35 |
| lotuspsychje | but no errors on french | 19:36 |
| tomreyn | i.e. then it persists for commands run from this terminal / shell until you close the terminal emulator | 19:36 |
| lotuspsychje | ok, german dont error neither | 19:38 |
| tomreyn | hmm maybe it's just this one translation then that's buggy | 19:38 |
| lotuspsychje | seems like it | 19:39 |
| tomreyn | you can check the previous commits for nl.po in the git repo | 19:39 |
| lotuspsychje | ill add the locales tests to the bug, tnx tomreyn | 19:39 |
| tomreyn | yw | 19:39 |
| luna | Debian-Women, Debian-Transwomen and Debian LGBTQ meeting now | 19:56 |
| Bashing-om | UWN588 is on the strets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue588 | 20:46 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | I just saw that Bashing-om. | 20:48 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | And it's nice | 20:48 |
| Bashing-om | EoflaOEViceCity: Thanks - a bit skimpy this week - not mcuh going on in our world - we could report more if there were an expressed interest in what is in the pipeline for ubuntu . | 20:51 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | OK Bashing-om. I have to sleep now. Goodbye. | 20:52 |
| Bashing-om | EoflaOEViceCity: Laters - take care til we meet again :P | 20:53 |
| EoflaOEViceCity | OK | 20:53 |
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