[02:59] good morning to all [06:20] Good morning [06:21] Good morning lordievader [06:22] Morning EoflaOEViceCity. How are you doing? [06:22] hey EoflaOEViceCity [06:23] I am doing fine. How about you | hello lotuspsychje [06:23] all good on this side tnx [06:23] You are welcome. [06:25] Doing good here :) [06:26] Sorry for leaving, but Android oom-killer is killing IRC client. [06:26] Use a bouncer ;) [06:27] Or better, use matrix [06:28] What do you mean? My Android is 1GB RAM and is autokilling everything when opening the second app. I will have to find a solution. [06:29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_(software) [06:30] It is typically not recommended to run an irc client from a phone due to the frequent disconnects. [06:30] So the work around is to take a host with a stable connection, run the irc client on there and connect your mobile to that host. [06:31] Oh and for more information about matrix: https://matrix.org [06:34] OK. Will do that soon. [07:07] Heya! [07:46] Buaaaaaaaaaaa...... I have run out of cola!!!! And last night the supermarket only had normal cola next to the checkouts so I couldn't buy cola zero :( [07:46] I have only drunk 1 litre [08:00] Brrr 1 litre of cola. That would be enough for me to last a year. [08:01] * lordievader rarely drinks cola [08:01] :) [10:54] Howdy folks [10:58] bluesceada!!!! Hello! [10:58] I have been working on the British speller since 7am [10:58] :) [10:58] 5 hours ago [10:59] it is a hard work but someone has to do it [16:27] immu: https://ubuntu.com/desktop/statistics [16:27] hi lotuspsychje [16:27] remember me lotuspsychje [16:27] yo BluesKaj [16:28] hi ducasse [16:28] hey luna/ducasse [16:29] hey Mathisen [16:30] interesting link, lotuspsychje ... I haven't seen that before [16:30] sonicwind: might not be real accurate but.. [16:30] its an idea right [16:30] better than anything else maybe [16:30] lotuspsychje, we had a kubuntu user here named blueskaj , he is still around? [16:31] immu: scroll up [16:31] BluesKaj, is in the room here [16:31] immu, that's me [16:31] BluesKaj, hi [16:31] hi immu [16:32] long time huh BluesKaj [16:34] so as asked how many of users here prefer a LTS release? [16:34] lotuspsychje, 11% still using 800x600 [16:34] count me 1 immu [16:34] LTS for work, not for home :) [16:34] immu, I'm a Kubuntu tester so i'm usually running a dev OS [16:34] I use LTS [16:36] i am still undecided between a lts or point release cycle of ubuntu [16:37] do you value stability? [16:37] LTS has point releases [16:37] i think he means non-lts [16:38] immu: wich version are you on now, and wich versions are you doubting about? [16:38] unless you can list reasons which require you to use non LTS releases, use LTS [16:38] hi tomreyn [16:38] hi sonicwind [16:39] do lts releases get software updates like latest version of google chrome or firefox? [16:39] gnome also [16:40] immu: do you need latest versions, and why? [16:40] newer features [16:40] immu: google chrome and firefox are different than most packages and do get updates through LTS releases [16:41] LTS releases get rolling releases for firefox and chromium. [16:41] lotuspsychje, I don't know how accurate these stats are in that link, but I am finding them fascinating [16:41] leftyfb: google chrome, too? via partner? [16:42] sonicwind: (i think )they started those stats, togheter with the ubuntu welcome screen [16:42] I thought a lot more people were using lvm and encrypted lvm [16:42] i assume those stats were accurate at the time they were generated, which was sometime last year [16:43] do software vendors targeting Ubuntu, target LTS release? say steam? [16:43] sonicwind: This report is generated from basic, non-identifiable system data that was provided by users when installing Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. [16:43] sonicwind: so users can also choose, to not send stats [16:43] right [16:43] also i believe less headache on LTS release? [16:43] tomreyn: via their own repo which gets installed when you install the package from their site [16:44] immu: most target LTS, sometimes also the latest stable non-LTS release. [16:44] leftyfb: oh right. [16:45] i had forgotten the run a repo [16:54] installer defaults matter a lot, really. many people just keep what's default, don't enable encryption. i think 'ubuntu desktop' should default to FDE (incl. /boot) on at least laptops. but this would depend on canonical hiring more staff to actually make this happen, test it a lot, and do it in a way that lets users recover their system or at least their data if things fail. ubuntu used to be leading in such general improvements, but [16:54] that's a while ago sadly. [16:55] has the new nvidia drivers landed? [16:56] in LTS ? [16:57] immu: is this what you readed? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/05/ubuntu-19-10-nvidia-drivers-iso [16:58] no, this one https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/07/install-nvidia-driver-update-ubuntu-its @lotuspsychje [17:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NVidiaUpdates [17:00] immu: do you have an nvidia card? [17:00] yes i do [17:01] immu: and wich version of ubuntu are you running? [17:01] 19.04 as of now [17:01] immu: i thought you said you were still doubting wich ubuntu version you would install? [17:01] yeah [17:01] i am thinking of install LTS on other system [17:02] immu: check: ubuntu-drivers list [17:02] sure brb [17:03] let me install LTS [17:03] brb [17:03] lol [17:03] hi lotuspsychje [17:03] hey EoflaOEViceCity [17:03] How was your day? [17:03] warm [17:04] Me too, it was on night in my time, but generally, warm all the time. [17:11] EoflaOEViceCity: i see your blog also contains ubuntu articles [17:12] lotuspsychje: Nice. Do you have a blog about Ubuntu or Linux? [17:13] EoflaOEViceCity: no, im running a webshop busniess with ubuntu LTS and samsung ssd's, from home [17:14] Nice. Can I see it? [17:14] EoflaOEViceCity: i do have a blogger, linked for my customers news [17:14] EoflaOEViceCity: https://lotuscomputers.be [17:14] only in duch for now [17:14] *dutch [17:16] Nice design. Can I translate the whole website to English?. [17:16] its fine, its on my list mate [17:17] EoflaOEViceCity: we do have an Ubuntu news lettre if you like, they always looking for articles writers, are you interested? [17:18] Was it with English? If so, then yes. [17:18] EoflaOEViceCity: yes, see #ubuntu-news [17:19] OK [17:19] Joined. [17:20] EoflaOEViceCity: here's an example: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue587 [17:20] EoflaOEViceCity: if you still like it, leave a proposal in #ubuntu-news you would like to contribute [17:22] OK. [18:40] tomreyn: how to see if debian has the same version? [18:41] lotuspsychje: maybe show output of "dconf" as well. [18:41] ..oin the bug report [18:41] debian has https://packages.debian.org which works mostly the same way as ubuntu's, since ubuntu borrowed this from debian [18:42] i.e. https://packages.debian.org/gnome-boxes [18:42] tomreyn: the output is described in the description, but only 2 lines, all the rest are the same lines spamming [18:43] on your bug report, you showed the output of dconf-editor, not that of dconf, right? [18:43] oh [18:44] wich command on dconf? [18:45] tomreyn: bionics version is also: 3.28.1-1 dont see that one in debian? [18:46] okay, don't file it against debian then [18:46] k tnx [18:46] dconf has get and dump commands, i think [18:47] note how i suggested you cross test with dconf in #ubuntu ;) [18:47] (i did not say "cross test" though) [18:48] gotya [18:48] tomreyn: spitted out this: https://hastebin.com/dopamawoze.coffeescript [18:51] lotuspsychje: you're looking for key "collections" [18:51] dconf doesn't seem to show it there, maybe its in a lower hierachy? [18:52] maybe run dconf list /org/gnome/boxes/ [18:52] this should list available targets there [18:53] empty values [18:54] hmm. i'm not really sure how this stuff works, i must admit [18:54] nothing on dconf list /org/gnome/boxes/collections/ neither [18:55] i guess it's more likely to be a bug in dconf-editor though if dconf itself doesn't throw any warnings when you're accessing the same schema [18:56] ah maybe gsettings would be the right CLI utility to cross test with, not dconf [18:57] try gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.boxes [18:57] that seems to work [18:57] tomreyn: https://hastebin.com/piqerakozo.rb [18:57] did it list the collections key including its values? [18:58] same warning, ok [18:58] so, yes, should be a gnome-boxes issue [18:59] want me to add the output aswell? [18:59] up to you ;-) it's really using gio libs to access this data both times [18:59] but developers may prefer CLI utils over GUI ones. [19:00] well it looks useful info on all values [19:00] maybe not gnome devs, though, not sure ;) [19:01] updated bug #1837445 [19:01] bug 1837445 in gnome-boxes (Ubuntu) "Failed to parse translated string on dconf-editor launch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1837445 [19:02] nice. so now you just need to find a volunteer to handle this bug, or proove that it also exists in gnomes' gnome-boxes source code repository and maybe a volunteer or non-volunteer will handle it then. ;) [19:03] yeah not much volunteers are using gnome boxes, think it was ruenoak saying he liked it [19:04] plus, this might be the dutch part complaining too [19:04] maybe the english version wont spit out [19:05] "Most contributors to Boxes hang out at #boxes on irc.gnome.org. Contributors, users and developers are more than welcome to direct any questions there. Discussions also take place at our Mailing list. " [19:05] from https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes/Resources [19:05] aha [19:05] whats that translate trick again to fool a language [19:06] export LANGUAGE=C [19:06] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-boxes/blob/master/po/nl.po is the dutch .po file [19:07] bingo tomreyn [19:07] the export trick doesnt give errors [19:07] line 97 [19:09] i compared with de.po (german) and the syntax / format there is identical. [19:10] so either multiple .po's are incorrect, or gio fails to parse this properly. [19:10] maybe every non-english language will spam errors? [19:10] you know how to test it [19:10] no [19:11] oh LANGUAGE=fr or something [19:11] oh right [19:11] you'd need to have the locale installed, thoough [19:11] lets do that [19:11] sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales [19:12] and select the ones you want to test [19:13] this will cause these selected locales to be generated for every software you have installed. can take a while [19:13] i don't really know how to do it just for one application using ubuntu / debian tooling. [19:14] added fr be [19:14] and its reconfiguring the whole list [19:15] so you should be able to get localized apt update output now [19:15] (just an example) [19:16] list still going :p [19:16] yes, this can be some minutes [19:18] *** update-locale: Warning: LANGUAGE ("nl_BE:nl") is not compatible with LANG (fr_BE). Disabling it. [19:18] lol [19:22] hmmm [19:22] tryed DE or FR but stays english [19:22] set LANG rather than LANGUAGE then [19:23] example: export LANG=nl_BE.UTF-8 [19:24] you may need to close and reopen the temrinal emulator window to reset it to the default LANG (or run export setting the default, if you know your default) [19:24] you may need to close and reopen the temrinal emulator window to reset it to the default LANGUAGE (or run export LANGUAGE=... thus setting the default, if you know your default) [19:25] ^ this [19:25] whats the DE value [19:28] DE is the ISO language code for german, but where did you spot this? [19:29] locales -a [19:32] "locale -a" would print it since it's an available locale in ubuntu, yes. [19:32] doing something wrong i think [19:33] actually, locale -a prints locales available on your system [19:33] so you may have selected this one [19:34] lotuspsychje@Rootbox:~$ export LANGUAGE=fr_FR dconf-editor [19:34] bash: export: 'dconf-editor': is geen geldige naam [19:34] not a valid name [19:34] make this two commands [19:34] either LANGUAGE=fr_FR dconf-editor [19:35] or export LANGUAGE=fr_FR; dconf-editor [19:35] the former runs only this command with the given environment variable set [19:35] the later worked yeah [19:35] dconf id in french now [19:35] the latter sets this environment variable within the active shell session [19:36] but no errors on french [19:36] i.e. then it persists for commands run from this terminal / shell until you close the terminal emulator [19:38] ok, german dont error neither [19:38] hmm maybe it's just this one translation then that's buggy [19:39] seems like it [19:39] you can check the previous commits for nl.po in the git repo [19:39] ill add the locales tests to the bug, tnx tomreyn [19:39] yw [19:56] Debian-Women, Debian-Transwomen and Debian LGBTQ meeting now [20:46] UWN588 is on the strets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue588 [20:48] I just saw that Bashing-om. [20:48] And it's nice [20:51] EoflaOEViceCity: Thanks - a bit skimpy this week - not mcuh going on in our world - we could report more if there were an expressed interest in what is in the pipeline for ubuntu . [20:52] OK Bashing-om. I have to sleep now. Goodbye. [20:53] EoflaOEViceCity: Laters - take care til we meet again :P [20:53] OK