[02:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:21] <EoflaOEViceCity> Good morning lordievader
[06:22] <lordievader> Morning EoflaOEViceCity. How are you doing?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hey EoflaOEViceCity
[06:23] <EoflaOEViceCity> I am doing fine. How about you | hello lotuspsychje
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> all good on this side tnx
[06:23] <EoflaOEViceCity> You are welcome.
[06:25] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[06:26] <EoflaOEViceCity> Sorry for leaving, but Android oom-killer is killing IRC client.
[06:26] <lordievader> Use a bouncer ;)
[06:27] <lordievader> Or better, use matrix </advertisement>
[06:28] <EoflaOEViceCity> What do you mean? My Android is 1GB RAM and is autokilling everything when opening the second app. I will have to find a solution.
[06:29] <lordievader> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_(software)
[06:30] <lordievader> It is typically not recommended to run an irc client from a phone due to the frequent disconnects.
[06:30] <lordievader> So the work around is to take a host with a stable connection, run the irc client on there and connect your mobile to that host.
[06:31] <lordievader> Oh and for more information about matrix: https://matrix.org
[06:34] <EoflaOEViceCity> OK. Will do that soon.
[07:07] <marcoagpinto> Heya!
[07:46] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaa...... I have run out of cola!!!! And last night the supermarket only had normal cola next to the checkouts so I couldn't buy cola zero :(
[07:46] <marcoagpinto> I have only drunk 1 litre
[08:00] <lordievader> Brrr 1 litre of cola. That would be enough for me to last a year.
[08:01]  * lordievader rarely drinks cola
[08:01] <marcoagpinto> :)
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:58] <marcoagpinto> bluesceada!!!! Hello!
[10:58] <marcoagpinto> I have been working on the British speller since 7am
[10:58] <marcoagpinto> :)
[10:58] <marcoagpinto> 5 hours ago
[10:59] <marcoagpinto> it is a hard work but someone has to do it
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> immu: https://ubuntu.com/desktop/statistics
[16:27] <immu> hi lotuspsychje
[16:27] <immu> remember me lotuspsychje
[16:27] <luna> yo BluesKaj
[16:28] <immu> hi ducasse
[16:28] <BluesKaj> hey luna/ducasse
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> hey Mathisen
[16:30] <sonicwind> interesting link, lotuspsychje ... I haven't seen that before
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: might not be real accurate but..
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> its an idea right
[16:30] <sonicwind> better than anything else maybe
[16:30] <immu> lotuspsychje, we had a kubuntu user here named blueskaj , he is still around?
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> immu: scroll up
[16:31] <sonicwind> BluesKaj, is in the room here
[16:31] <BluesKaj> immu, that's me
[16:31] <immu> BluesKaj, hi
[16:31] <BluesKaj> hi immu
[16:32] <immu> long time huh BluesKaj
[16:34] <immu> so as asked how many of users here prefer a LTS release?
[16:34] <sonicwind> lotuspsychje, 11% still using 800x600
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> count me 1 immu
[16:34] <Mathisen> LTS for work, not for home :)
[16:34] <BluesKaj> immu, I'm a Kubuntu tester so i'm usually running a dev OS
[16:34] <sonicwind> I use LTS
[16:36] <immu> i am still undecided between a lts or point release cycle of ubuntu
[16:37] <sonicwind> do you value stability?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> LTS has point releases
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> i think he means non-lts
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> immu: wich version are you on now, and wich versions are you doubting about?
[16:38] <tomreyn> unless you can list reasons which require you to use non LTS releases, use LTS
[16:38] <sonicwind> hi tomreyn
[16:38] <tomreyn> hi sonicwind
[16:39] <immu> do lts releases get software updates like latest version of google chrome or firefox?
[16:39] <immu> gnome also
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> immu: do you need latest versions, and why?
[16:40] <immu> newer features
[16:40] <leftyfb> immu: google chrome and firefox are different than most packages and do get updates through LTS releases
[16:41] <tomreyn> LTS releases get rolling releases for firefox and chromium.
[16:41] <sonicwind> lotuspsychje, I don't know how accurate these stats are in that link, but I am finding them fascinating
[16:41] <tomreyn> leftyfb: google chrome, too? via partner?
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: (i think )they started those stats, togheter with the ubuntu welcome screen
[16:42] <sonicwind> I thought a lot more people were using lvm and encrypted lvm
[16:42] <tomreyn> i assume those stats were accurate at the time they were generated, which was sometime last year
[16:43] <immu> do software vendors targeting Ubuntu, target LTS release? say steam?
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: This report is generated from basic, non-identifiable system data that was provided by users when installing Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: so users can also choose, to not send stats
[16:43] <sonicwind> right
[16:43] <immu> also i believe less headache on LTS release?
[16:43] <leftyfb> tomreyn: via their own repo which gets installed when you install the package from their site
[16:44] <tomreyn> immu: most target LTS, sometimes also the latest stable non-LTS release.
[16:44] <tomreyn> leftyfb: oh right.
[16:45] <tomreyn> i had forgotten the run a repo
[16:54] <tomreyn> installer defaults matter a lot, really. many people just keep what's default, don't enable encryption. i think 'ubuntu desktop' should default to FDE (incl. /boot) on at least laptops. but this would depend on canonical hiring more staff to actually make this happen, test it a lot, and do it in a way that lets users recover their system or at least their data if things fail. ubuntu used to be leading in such general improvements, but
[16:54] <tomreyn> that's a while ago sadly.
[16:55] <immu> has the new nvidia drivers landed?
[16:56] <immu> in LTS ?
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> immu: is this what you readed? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/05/ubuntu-19-10-nvidia-drivers-iso
[16:58] <immu> no, this one https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/07/install-nvidia-driver-update-ubuntu-its @lotuspsychje
[17:00] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NVidiaUpdates
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> immu: do you have an nvidia card?
[17:00] <immu> yes i do
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> immu: and wich version of ubuntu are you running?
[17:01] <immu> 19.04 as of now
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> immu: i thought you said you were still doubting wich ubuntu version you would install?
[17:01] <immu> yeah
[17:01] <immu> i am thinking of install LTS on other system
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> immu: check: ubuntu-drivers list
[17:02] <immu> sure brb
[17:03] <immu> let me install LTS
[17:03] <immu> brb
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:03] <EoflaOEViceCity> hi lotuspsychje
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> hey EoflaOEViceCity
[17:03] <EoflaOEViceCity> How was your day?
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> warm
[17:04] <EoflaOEViceCity> Me too, it was on night in my time, but generally, warm all the time.
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: i see your blog also contains ubuntu articles
[17:12] <EoflaOEViceCity> lotuspsychje: Nice. Do you have a blog about Ubuntu or Linux?
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: no, im running a webshop busniess with ubuntu LTS and samsung ssd's, from home
[17:14] <EoflaOEViceCity> Nice. Can I see it?
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: i do have a blogger, linked for my customers news
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: https://lotuscomputers.be
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> only in duch for now
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> *dutch
[17:16] <EoflaOEViceCity> Nice design. Can I translate the whole website to English?.
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> its fine, its on my list mate
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: we do have an Ubuntu news lettre if you like, they always looking for articles writers, are you interested?
[17:18] <EoflaOEViceCity> Was it with English? If so, then yes.
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: yes, see #ubuntu-news
[17:19] <EoflaOEViceCity> OK
[17:19] <EoflaOEViceCity> Joined.
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: here's an example: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue587
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: if you still like it, leave a proposal in #ubuntu-news you would like to contribute
[17:22] <EoflaOEViceCity> OK.
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: how to see if debian has the same version?
[18:41] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: maybe show output of "dconf" as well.
[18:41] <tomreyn> ..oin the bug report
[18:41] <tomreyn> debian has https://packages.debian.org which works mostly the same way as ubuntu's, since ubuntu borrowed this from debian
[18:42] <tomreyn> i.e. https://packages.debian.org/gnome-boxes
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: the output is described in the description, but only 2 lines, all the rest are the same lines spamming
[18:43] <tomreyn> on your bug report, you showed the output of dconf-editor, not that of dconf, right?
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> oh
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> wich command on dconf?
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: bionics version is also: 3.28.1-1 dont see that one in debian?
[18:46] <tomreyn> okay, don't file it against debian then
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> k tnx
[18:46] <tomreyn> dconf has get and dump commands, i think
[18:47] <tomreyn> note how i suggested you cross test with dconf in #ubuntu ;)
[18:47] <tomreyn> (i did not say "cross test" though)
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> gotya
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: spitted out this: https://hastebin.com/dopamawoze.coffeescript
[18:51] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: you're looking for key "collections"
[18:51] <tomreyn> dconf doesn't seem to show it there, maybe its in a lower hierachy?
[18:52] <tomreyn> maybe run   dconf list /org/gnome/boxes/
[18:52] <tomreyn> this should list available targets there
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> empty values
[18:54] <tomreyn> hmm. i'm not really sure how this stuff works, i must admit
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> nothing on dconf list /org/gnome/boxes/collections/ neither
[18:55] <tomreyn> i guess it's more likely to be a bug in dconf-editor though if dconf itself doesn't throw any warnings when you're accessing the same schema
[18:56] <tomreyn> ah maybe gsettings would be the right CLI utility to cross test with, not dconf
[18:57] <tomreyn> try gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.boxes
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> that seems to work
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: https://hastebin.com/piqerakozo.rb
[18:57] <tomreyn> did it list the collections key including its values?
[18:58] <tomreyn> same warning, ok
[18:58] <tomreyn> so, yes, should be a gnome-boxes issue
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> want me to add the output aswell?
[18:59] <tomreyn> up to you ;-)  it's really using gio libs to access this data both times
[18:59] <tomreyn> but developers may prefer CLI utils over GUI ones.
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> well it looks useful info on all values
[19:00] <tomreyn> maybe not gnome devs, though, not sure ;)
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> updated bug #1837445
[19:02] <tomreyn> nice. so now you just need to find a volunteer to handle this bug, or proove that it also exists in gnomes' gnome-boxes source code repository and maybe a volunteer or non-volunteer will handle it then. ;)
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah not much volunteers are using gnome boxes, think it was ruenoak saying he liked it
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> plus, this might be the dutch part complaining too
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> maybe the english version wont spit out
[19:05] <tomreyn> "Most contributors to Boxes hang out at #boxes on irc.gnome.org. Contributors, users and developers are more than welcome to direct any questions there. Discussions also take place at our Mailing list. "
[19:05] <tomreyn> from https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes/Resources
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> aha
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> whats that translate trick again to fool a language
[19:06] <tomreyn> export LANGUAGE=C
[19:06] <tomreyn> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-boxes/blob/master/po/nl.po is the dutch .po file
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> bingo tomreyn
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> the export trick doesnt give errors
[19:07] <tomreyn> line 97
[19:09] <tomreyn> i compared with de.po (german) and the syntax / format there is identical.
[19:10] <tomreyn> so either multiple .po's are incorrect, or gio fails to parse this properly.
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> maybe every non-english language will spam errors?
[19:10] <tomreyn> you know how to test it
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> no
[19:11] <tomreyn> oh LANGUAGE=fr or something
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> oh right
[19:11] <tomreyn> you'd need to have the locale installed, thoough
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> lets do that
[19:11] <tomreyn> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[19:12] <tomreyn> and select the ones you want to test
[19:13] <tomreyn> this will cause these selected locales to be generated for every software you have installed. can take a while
[19:13] <tomreyn> i don't really know how to do it just for one application using ubuntu / debian tooling.
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> added fr be
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> and its reconfiguring the whole list
[19:15] <tomreyn> so you should be able to get localized     apt update    output now
[19:15] <tomreyn> (just an example)
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> list still going :p
[19:16] <tomreyn> yes, this can be some minutes
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> *** update-locale: Warning: LANGUAGE ("nl_BE:nl") is not compatible with LANG (fr_BE). Disabling it.
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:22] <tomreyn> hmmm
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> tryed DE or FR but stays english
[19:22] <tomreyn> set LANG rather than LANGUAGE then
[19:23] <tomreyn> example:   export LANG=nl_BE.UTF-8
[19:24] <tomreyn> you may need to close and reopen the temrinal emulator window to reset it to the default LANG (or run export setting the default, if you know your default)
[19:24] <tomreyn> you may need to close and reopen the temrinal emulator window to reset it to the default LANGUAGE (or run    export LANGUAGE=...    thus setting the default, if you know your default)
[19:25] <tomreyn> ^ this
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> whats the DE value
[19:28] <tomreyn> DE is the ISO language code for german, but where did you spot this?
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> locales -a
[19:32] <tomreyn> "locale -a" would print it since it's an available locale in ubuntu, yes.
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> doing something wrong i think
[19:33] <tomreyn> actually,     locale -a     prints locales available on your system
[19:33] <tomreyn> so you may have selected this one
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@Rootbox:~$ export LANGUAGE=fr_FR dconf-editor
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> bash: export: 'dconf-editor': is geen geldige naam
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> not a valid name
[19:34] <tomreyn> make this two commands
[19:34] <tomreyn> either      LANGUAGE=fr_FR dconf-editor
[19:35] <tomreyn> or     export LANGUAGE=fr_FR; dconf-editor
[19:35] <tomreyn> the former runs only this command with the given environment variable set
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> the later worked yeah
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> dconf id in french now
[19:35] <tomreyn> the latter sets this environment variable within the active shell session
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> but no errors on french
[19:36] <tomreyn> i.e. then it persists for commands run from this terminal / shell until you close the terminal emulator
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> ok, german dont error neither
[19:38] <tomreyn> hmm maybe it's just this one translation then that's buggy
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> seems like it
[19:39] <tomreyn> you can check the previous commits for nl.po in the git repo
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> ill add the locales tests to the bug, tnx tomreyn
[19:39] <tomreyn> yw
[19:56] <luna> Debian-Women, Debian-Transwomen and Debian LGBTQ meeting now
[20:46] <Bashing-om> UWN588 is on the strets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue588
[20:48] <EoflaOEViceCity> I just saw that Bashing-om.
[20:48] <EoflaOEViceCity> And it's nice
[20:51] <Bashing-om> EoflaOEViceCity: Thanks - a bit skimpy this week - not mcuh going on in our world - we could report more if there were an expressed interest in what is in the pipeline for ubuntu .
[20:52] <EoflaOEViceCity> OK Bashing-om. I have to sleep now. Goodbye.
[20:53] <Bashing-om> EoflaOEViceCity: Laters - take care til we meet again :P
[20:53] <EoflaOEViceCity> OK