[05:26] <didrocks> good morning
[05:44] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[05:45] <ricotz> good morning
[05:47] <duflu> Morning ricotz
[05:47] <duflu> Morning for some
[05:49] <didrocks> hey duflu, ricotz
[06:35] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:35] <Wimpress> o/
[06:37] <oSoMoN> hey Wimpress
[06:38] <duflu> Morning Wimpress and oSoMoN
[06:38] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:41] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, Wimpress
[06:41] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
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[07:49] <marcustomlinson> good morning duflu ricotz didrocks oSoMoN and Wimpress
[07:49] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[07:57] <Fudge> do any of you guys know much about AWS, looking to put up a wokuwiki which does not use sql, so veyr simple install with ssh preferably
[08:07] <marcustomlinson> Fudge: does it have to be AWS? Why not just a cheap VPS?
[08:11] <willcooke> morning
[08:11] <willcooke> hot one today
[08:12] <Fudge> it doesnt have to be, work wants the cheapest option possible I think, singey. I could just host it at home but not sure if they will allow
[08:13] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:14] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[08:15] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson, willcooke
[08:16] <Fudge> VPS would be fine but some of the prices i looked at were rediculous
[08:16] <marcustomlinson> Fudge: There are many VPS options out there of course, but I've been using hostwinds.com lately and have been happy
[08:16] <Fudge> ill look them up, thanks for the tip
[08:17] <marcustomlinson> https://www.hostwinds.com/vps/unmanaged-linux - starts at $4.50 a month
[08:17] <marcustomlinson> morning willcooke
[08:17] <Fudge> nothing wrong with that price
[08:24] <Fudge> marcustomlinson:  thanks very much mate
[08:24] <marcustomlinson> 👍🏻
[08:26] <Fudge> oh, Speakup didn't read that at all, is it an emogey
[08:27] <Fudge> emoji
[08:28] <marcustomlinson> ha, yeah a thumbs up
[08:41] <oSoMoN> mpt, I'm studying fwupd to get up to speed on the APIs and what user tasks they allow, would you mind postponing that meeting to give me some more time?
[08:42] <mpt> oSoMoN, yep, that would be fine, let’s talk on Thursday
[08:43] <oSoMoN> mpt, perfect, thanks
[09:28] <Trevinho> morning... my IRC wasn't starting as I had to update my https key on the server... -_-
[09:29] <Trevinho> kenvandine: mhmh... as per cursor and scaling, not sure, as the apps should monitor X server resources to check it, although IIRC I did something on that, but can't remember details right now. I need to look at my coding archives :P
[09:29] <Trevinho> iirc was related to the theming someway though too
[09:32] <willcooke> hi Trevinho
[09:32] <Trevinho> hi willcooke
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[09:57] <duflu> Morning Trevinho
[13:01] <kenvandine> Trevinho: yeah, willcooke had said he thought you had some fix for that
[13:02] <Trevinho> kenvandine: mh... IIRC the XCURSOR_PATH was fixing the theme, but for the size I'm not sure
[13:02] <Trevinho> kenvandine: is it for any app?
[13:02] <kenvandine> yeah, from what i hear
[13:02] <kenvandine> i don't have a HiDPi display to test
[13:02] <kenvandine> but Wimpress does
[13:20] <Trevinho> kenvandine: mh, well I expect you can simulate it by just passing GDK_SCALE=2 anyways
[13:28] <kenvandine> Trevinho: cool, so yeah i can do that with gnome-calculator and see the cursor doesn't scale
[13:28] <kenvandine> Trevinho: any tips on what i can do there?
[13:28] <Trevinho> kenvandine: mhmh, soo... Better way would be to inject some code in libgtk to see what's trying to load
[13:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting 2019-07-23 🌻🌻🌻
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 23 13:30:40 2019 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:31] <Trevinho> hi
[13:31] <marcustomlinson> helloo
[13:31] <willcooke> Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney (out), marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[13:31] <willcooke> My thermometer says it's 40 outside in the sun
[13:32] <oSoMoN> ouch
[13:32] <willcooke> Thats 104 in old money
[13:32] <willcooke> Ok, let's get started with bug reviews
[13:32] <marcustomlinson> ':(
[13:32] <ogra> sun ? you mean oracle  ...
[13:32] <willcooke> #topic BB Incoming
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[13:32] <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:33] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1741027
[13:33] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1741027 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Bionic) "[SRU] Screen sharing panels abort using an non-existent vino gsettings key" [High,In progress]
[13:33] <willcooke> Not one of ours strictly speaking
[13:34] <willcooke> There is discussion going on, so I think will leave it alone
[13:34] <willcooke> #topic DD incoming
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[13:34] <willcooke> yay no more C
[13:34] <willcooke> :)
[13:34] <marcustomlinson> Is that "will leave it alone" or "Will, leave it alone"
[13:34] <marcustomlinson> :)
[13:34] <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:34] <willcooke> marcustomlinson, either, both :)
[13:35] <willcooke> Ok, so for D we have:
[13:35] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libblockdev/+bug/1837437
[13:35] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1837437 in libblockdev (Ubuntu) "disk content permanently lost when changing LUKS password" [Undecided,New]
[13:35] <willcooke> Laney raised this on IRC last night so I opened a bug for it
[13:35] <willcooke> I think we should accept it, it's pretty dangerous.
[13:35] <willcooke> We need someone to do some testing and decide if it is needed in B as well
[13:35] <willcooke> Who would like to take a look in to it?
[13:36] <oSoMoN> if it can be reproduced in a VM, I can do
[13:37] <willcooke> oSoMoN, if you would at least have a go that would be appreciated.  If you can't get it to work, let us know and we can ask someone else
[13:37] <oSoMoN> ack
[13:37] <oSoMoN> I'll test this this afternoon
[13:37] <willcooke> thanks
[13:38] <willcooke> #topic rls-ee-incoming
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[13:38] <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:39] <willcooke> Sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf/+bug/1551623 might go away
[13:39] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1551623 in gconf (Ubuntu) "[SRU] package gconf2 3.2.6-3ubuntu6 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving triggers unprocessed" [Critical,Triaged]
[13:40] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/valgrind/+bug/1837068
[13:40] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1837068 in valgrind (Ubuntu) "libssh armhf autopkgtest failure on valgrind unhandled instruction: 0xEBAD 0x1CCA" [High,New]
[13:40] <willcooke> Seb has asked Foundations to take look
[13:40] <willcooke> So I think that's it
[13:40] <willcooke> I will look at the unassigned release bugs offline
[13:40] <willcooke> So I propose we move to AOB
[13:41] <willcooke> #topic AOB
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[13:41]  * willcooke looks at this notes
[13:41] <willcooke> *his
[13:41] <willcooke> Hiring....
[13:42] <willcooke> We have a backlog of people to interview.  In order to get through the list as quickly as we can I would like to spread the load and have people do some first round interview
[13:42] <willcooke> *interviews each
[13:42] <willcooke> or perhaps as a small group of 1 to 3 people
[13:42] <willcooke> I'll follow up on email on that this week
[13:42] <didrocks> (small group sounds fine)
[13:42] <didrocks> (1 isn't a group ;))
[13:42] <willcooke> If you talk to yourself it is
[13:42] <didrocks> haha
[13:42] <willcooke> I agree with willcooke
[13:43] <marcustomlinson> XD
[13:43] <oSoMoN> :)
[13:43] <willcooke> That's the end of my notes
[13:43] <willcooke> Anyone got anything?
[13:43] <willcooke> going once
[13:44] <willcooke> twice
[13:44] <Trevinho> rnot from me
[13:44] <willcooke> #endmeeting
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[13:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 23 13:44:49 2019 UTC.
[13:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-07-23-13.30.moin.txt
[13:44] <willcooke> 🌞 🔥
[13:44] <willcooke> thanks all
[13:45] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[13:45] <didrocks> thanks (but please, no sun, no fire)
[13:45] <oSoMoN> thanks
[14:21] <willcooke> TFW you're waiting for your script to run and it takes you 10 mins to realise that you opened the script in gedit, didn't actually run it
[14:37] <kenvandine> willcooke: that's awesome!
[14:43] <oSoMoN> willcooke, that's a security feature, you're required to audit the code of that script before being allowed to run it
[14:49] <oSoMoN> willcooke, Laney: bug #1837437 happens on disco, not on bionic
[14:49] <ubot5> bug 1837437 in libblockdev (Ubuntu Disco) "disk content permanently lost when changing LUKS password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1837437
[17:03] <willcooke> night all, going to find somewhere cool...
[19:15] <kenvandine> tjaalton: bug 1817225 is breaking the 18.04 hyperv desktop images
[19:15] <ubot5> bug 1817225 in xrdp (Ubuntu) "18.04.2 breaks xrdp" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1817225
[19:16] <kenvandine> it needs xorgxrdp, which fails to install during image build
[19:20] <tjaalton> kenvandine: so, does a rebuild work with stock xserver?
[19:20] <tjaalton> the non-hwe version
[19:20] <kenvandine> tjaalton: i'm not sure how to build a non-hwe version
[19:20] <tjaalton> kenvandine: rebuild xrdb, test with xserver-xorg-core, not -hwe-18.04
[19:21] <tjaalton> *xrdp
[19:21] <kenvandine> the image build is pulling in hwe
[19:21] <kenvandine> not sure how to disable that
[19:21] <kenvandine> these are livecd-rootfs image builds
[19:22] <tjaalton> anyway, I'd like to avoid having another copy of xrdp
[19:22] <tjaalton> that's why I'm asking
[19:22] <kenvandine> tjaalton: agreed
[19:22] <kenvandine> i'd happily switch to non-hwe
[19:24] <kenvandine> i don't think a xrdp based desktop VM would really benefit from the hwe versions
[19:24] <tjaalton> true, but it does get a newer xserver
[19:25] <tjaalton> and kernel
[19:25] <kenvandine> oh right, so no new kernel without it
[19:25] <tjaalton> which is probably why you build point-release images :)
[19:25] <kenvandine> it's mostly just to get the latest set of updates
[19:26] <kenvandine> what would rebuilding xrdp do for me?
[19:26] <tjaalton> so it needs stock bionic tested with a rebuilt xrdp, surely the stock image is still available?
[19:27] <kenvandine> the current xrdp depends on xorgxrdp which depends on the non-hwe xserver
[19:28] <kenvandine> if i rebuilt it against the hwe version that would probably work
[19:28] <tjaalton> hmm maybe can't be avoided to have xrdp-hwe-18.04
[19:28] <kenvandine> but i need the packages to pull from bionic-updates
[19:28] <kenvandine> that's what i'm thinking
[19:29] <kenvandine> we need this for the 18.04.3 release
[19:29] <tjaalton> because it needs to build-depends against the hwe packages, and then the binary would depend on the hwe xserver
[19:30] <kenvandine> right
[19:30] <kenvandine> would that then build a xorgxrdp-hwe-18.04 binary too?
[19:30] <tjaalton> and I'm basically off this week.. but maybe could push this stil
[19:30] <tjaalton> l
[19:30] <tjaalton> yes
[19:30] <kenvandine> i'd really appreciate it :)
[19:31] <kenvandine> i'm at the sprint next week
[19:31] <kenvandine> and i think release day is next thursday :)
[19:32] <tjaalton> indeed..
[19:32] <kenvandine> thanks!
[20:00] <tjaalton> kenvandine: uh, so it's xorgxrdp which needs a new source to build against hwe, but xrdp recommends 'xorgxrdp' and I'm not sure if there's a 'soft' way to fix that without having a separate source of xrdp as well
[20:10] <kenvandine> tjaalton: not in bionic
[20:11] <kenvandine> xorgxrdp is built from the xrdp source
[20:11] <kenvandine> cosmic and later had a separate source
[20:20] <tjaalton> kenvandine: ah, true
[21:16] <tjaalton> kenvandine: pushed to ppa:canonical-x/x-staging, renamed all binaries built by src:xrdp
[21:17] <tjaalton> now someone still needs to test it
[21:34] <kenvandine> tjaalton: thanks
[21:34] <kenvandine> We'll build images with that ppa
[21:46] <kenvandine> tjaalton: I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow