[00:00] So I think we discovered why 16.04.3 was recommended, but it apepars there is a workaround === sjohnson is now known as bjohnson [00:01] pragmaticenigma: wow :/ [00:01] puff: you can just select the "right" (intel provided) kernel image, though. the issue there is just that the default ubuntu kernel has a higher version and thus becomes the default. [00:02] puff: keyboard on grub should still work fine though. see https://github.com/intel-aero/meta-intel-aero/issues/363#issuecomment-415309443 [00:03] c0nker, sarnold sometimes a .so file is not an actual shared lib but a text file containing a path to where to find the actual one, iirc, what does the file command say about that file? [00:03] puff: you can also fix the kernel to boot by editing /etc/default/grub - but maybe that's for later. [00:03] fassl: woah really? [00:04] i remember having to patch some paths for libm/libc in .so files trying to build a sysrooted gcc [00:04] fassl: beautiful. :D thanks! [00:04] So, question, should I continue down this path of sneakernetting wifi packages onto the server install, or punt and reinstall 16.04.3 and figure out the kernel? [00:04] im making space for apt-file update to be able to finish [00:04] puff: punting might be quicker [00:04] Part of me wants to finish with the server install approach, but I suspect punting is better. [00:04] if everything fails I'll need to transfuse from another disk [00:04] Okay, I can always redo the server install. [00:05] c0nker: sorry, I just meant to try one of the other packages that supplies that file :( I'm sorry :( [00:05] nah I think I got it [00:05] You guys going to be around in a bit? I could use some help figuring out grub. Haven't touched it in ages and was never super confident with it. [00:05] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZdwRTxKHpx/ sarnold [00:06] puff if you need notes irclogs.ubuntu.com will have this conversation for you :-) I would also punt and try again with the recommended path [00:06] c0nker: and if you install nvidia-340 ? [00:06] I *think* it is installed [00:07] oh, I am not [00:07] im in nvidia-driver-390 [00:07] the tested, recommended metapackage [00:08] its a pain in the ass to change it again, but I guess I can try [00:09] oh :( [00:10] do you think that would work? [00:13] puff: i'll not be around for a whole lot longer (it's past midnight here), but maybe a bit after taking a shower. [00:14] is apt not installed by default anymore? [00:14] i tried sudo apt-get install and it said to use snap [00:14] johnjay: what program? [00:14] emacs of course [00:14] what vesion of ubuntu? [00:14] some benighted souls have decided it no longer belongs on the main cd anymore [00:14] 18.04 [00:15] johnjay: emacs installs just fine on Ubuntu 18.04 [00:15] using apt [00:15] installs just fine for me to using apt and apt-get [00:15] maybe i need to snap install apt first? [00:15] johnjay: no [00:15] idk i just typed sudo apt install at a terminal right after install [00:15] johnjay: sudo apt install emacs [00:15] type it now [00:15] yes that failed [00:16] pastebin please [00:16] ok sec. let me try again [00:17] johnjay: if it doesn't work, please run this and paste the link here: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};sudo apt install emacs -y) [00:18] ok Im going to purge Nvidia packages, and install the old one [00:18] not the original, just the binary blob [00:19] it says No apt package "emacs", but there is a snap with that name.Try "snap install emacs" [00:19] I dont know if it will work, to be honest I dont know how to fix this mess [00:19] c0nker: Check too that there is not an xorg.conf file at play here :) [00:20] johnjay: please send us the link that comes from: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};sudo apt install emacs -y) [00:20] johnjay: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-cache policy emacs ) [00:20] Bashing-om, I think I saw your post, I checked before, but I dont know if there's any other problem [00:20] now my system wont log in normally, without weyland [00:20] I assumed that was the problem [00:21] https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/emacs [00:21] It's "supposed" to be there [00:21] uRock: it is [00:21] c0nker: Nvidia and Wayland is still a work in progress :( [00:21] something else is wrong. This is why we are troubleshooting [00:22] and im out of space [00:22] leftyfb, I know, just throwing that in there for viewing pleasure. [00:22] https://termbin.com/qyl4 [00:22] leftyfb [00:23] the command failed because could not get a lock on /var/apt/... [00:23] should I try su'ing? [00:23] usually means something else is using apt [00:23] johnjay: it couldn't get a lock because another apt process was running... you can try it again in a few moments [00:24] I'm betting something else is wrong [00:24] oh well when it gives that lock error it never allows you to do anything [00:24] johnjay: please pastebin the error [00:24] i've got 2x apt.systemd.dai and one apt-get running [00:24] this is why it's failing [00:24] johnjay: please pastebin the error [00:25] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8THgpsWcKf/ [00:26] johnjay: please pastebin: ps -ef |egrep "apt|dpkg" [00:26] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PN9WxJgDSb/ [00:27] it's the 3 processes i mentioned [00:27] are they frozen? [00:27] they've been running for about 10 minutes [00:27] they've been running for at least eight minutes [00:28] yeah i just started the system up so i assume that's why [00:28] i think i did install emacs through the software center after i got that error [00:28] the snap one i mean [00:28] otherwise it's fresh install [00:28] should I try reinstalling Ubuntu? XD [00:29] either wait for those processes to stop, reboot, or kill the processes and manually run: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade [00:29] well that's what i've done in the past when i got this problem [00:29] ok [00:30] I gave 3 options. Which have you done in the past? You also shouldn't be running into this issue that often [00:30] tomreyn, sarnold, pragmaticenigma: Okay, while I'm waiting for the 16.04.3 ISO to download, what do I need to do with grub? [00:30] i think i run into it everytime i install ubuntu [00:30] but i've only done that like 2 or 3 times recently [00:31] the last one [00:31] i've killed them and now apt-get works fine [00:31] puff I would read through that entire thread I sent you, I'm not familiar with what you are trying to do... tomreyn has stepped out for a while [00:31] maybe it was downloading stuff... the software center window just popped up with updates to install [00:32] could that be it? [00:32] johnjay: you could check the output of journalctl -u apt-daily to see roughly how long that process takes [00:33] puff: sorry, I've only ever seen the installer a handful of times.. once things are up and running I leave em alone for a few years [00:33] ok Im going to reboot and see what happens, Ive changed my nvidia driver again [00:33] c0nker: woot good luck [00:34] sarnold: it says failed to start [00:34] jul 23 19:30:23 asrock systemd[1]: apt-daily.service: Main process exited, code=killed, status=9/KILL [00:34] there is any channel for discusting Ubuntucon ? [00:34] johnjay: that was probably you killing it a momment ago [00:35] anyone ever had an issue with preseed.cfg root-password crypted values not working for login via ssh ? [00:35] johnjay: mine has loads of historical runs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nGpxZT8CgV/ [00:35] i have root login boolean set to true, ive tested the salt and hash numerous times, it works, but I cannot for the life of me login on this machine with the password that I should be able to [00:35] MalMen: since there is no such thing, no [00:35] mmercer: if you don't get responses in a few minutes, try again in #ubuntu-server -- it's more likely someone in there's done preseed [00:35] pragmaticenigma: I read through the thread. What I think needs to happen is a) interrupt the boot at the grub menu, easy enough, just hit the arrow key when it comes up. b) select the older kernel to boot from. That part may be trickier... if it's an option in the grub menu, easy, otherwise I need to figure out the right grub command to boot that kernel. c) edit the /etc/default/grub to make it always default to the older kernel. [00:36] sarnold: ahh, perfect, forgot separated room, tnx [00:37] sarnold: so is this just a matter of, i often try to install software right after i login [00:37] and the apt process is still doing that daily update thing? [00:37] johnjay: probably [00:38] johnjay: you could fiddle with the settings if you want to disable it, but I suspect it'll solve itself over time as you're less likely to need to install new things in a few weeks === bjohnson is now known as sjohnson [00:44] right [00:44] that makes sense [00:45] personally i find this process tiresome. there's not even a metapackage i can see that installs inkscape and gimp together [00:45] thanks for the help all [00:45] you may find the two useful together, but I've used gimp thousands of times and inkscape never :) [00:45] there'd be several hundred thousand pacakges if we had meta pacakges for every two packages on the system.. [00:46] and I'm not sure apt install gimp-and-inkscape is better than apt install gimp inkscape [00:47] and someone would doubtless typo apt install inkscape-and-gimp and wonder why it doesn't exist so we'd wind up with a fewh undred thousand more packages with the package names in either order... :D [00:47] there's no reason to install both using a meta package [00:47] other than individual personal preference. Which does not make for good development [00:48] MalMen: "alis" lists the #ubucon channel - see if that is what you seek ;) [00:50] sarnold: i was thinking more something like graphics-general-tools [00:50] blender doesn't seem to be in any metapackages either [00:50] just a few [00:51] if you're aiming at multimedia kinds of things there is ubuntu studio, though that's way more than just a handy metapackage [00:52] yes i did use that before [00:52] Blender should be part of the ubuntustudio-video metapackage [00:52] i wanted to try vanilla ubuntu this time [00:53] Eickmeyer: idk if that exists but apt-redepends -r didnt' show it for me [00:53] johnjay: I'm the leader of Ubuntu Studio. Trust me on this one. [00:54] heh right [00:54] i meant exists in the ubuntu repo [00:55] looks like i have bionic main restricted, bionic universe, bionic-updates main restricted [00:55] also multiverse and backports [00:55] puff: after installing and booting into the installed system, and after installing the intel kernel image from their PPA, you can do this to fix grub to default to the intel kernel: https://askubuntu.com/questions/216398/set-older-kernel-as-default-grub-entry#answers [00:56] johnjay: "sysop@x1804mini:~$ apt list blender >> blender/bionic-updates 2.79.b+dfsg0-1ubuntu1.18.04.1 amd64" . [00:56] johnjay: the ubuntustudio-video meta-package is part of the universe repo [00:56] so i should have it [00:56] or you could just install blender [00:57] i wonder why apt-rdepends doesn't show it then [00:57] it only shows morse-simulator and blender-ogrexml [00:58] anyways gtg [00:59] thanks again [00:59] Can anyone recommend some easy replacements for Google Calendar, Apple Notes and Reminders that I can host myself on my home server? I want to be able to manage stuff from my phone on iOS and on my Ubuntu lapotp. [01:00] puff: and yes i'd expect the intel kernel to get automatically added to the grub menu when you install it (you may need to run update-grub, but i assume this will happen automatically, too) [01:01] coffeecow: nextcloud may cover this and more, have a look. [01:05] can you remove the hwe kernel and install the standard GA kernel in Ubuntu 18.04.2 [01:05] dan_kelly: yes [01:06] coffeecow: I second the nextcloud recommendation [01:07] lefyfb:Is there instruction how to do that? [01:08] dan_kelly: why do you need to do this? [01:09] i think reboot in the non-hwe kernel, should still be installed, and remove the hwe part ? [01:10] Hardware compatibility issues. [01:11] tomreyn: Thanks. [01:11] tomreyn: Hm, tried holding down the shift key as it booted, but it didn't give me the grub menu. [01:12] dan_kelly: care to elaborate? You know for a fact that you currently have a piece of hardware that fails to work with the 4.18.x kernel but you know works with the 4.15.x kernel? [01:15] tomreyn: Hm, the trick seems to be to hit ESC to get into BIOS and then select to boot ubuntu, then hit esc to get the grub> prompt. I think if I hit it just once I'll stop at the menu, I hope. [01:20] leftyfb: The most recent hwe stack brakes my hardware drives every time I let the hwe update [01:20] dan_kelly: define "brakes my hardware drives" === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [01:25] leftyfb: vbox quits working, AMD graphics card fails to work properly and so on [01:26] dan_kelly: sounds like you're missing the kernel headers for new kernels [01:28] tomreyn, sarnold: Took some tricky timing with the ESC key but now I'm in ubuntu 16.04.3 with kernel 4.10 and functional keyboard and mouse, yay! [01:28] puff: *nice* [01:28] puff: man that feels like absolutely forever ago :/ [01:29] dan_kelly: which kernel are you running right now? [01:29] sarnold: So does this morning. [01:29] puff: yeay [01:29] leftyfb: I just want to down grade be to a working kernel [01:30] puff: and you also have wireless there? [01:30] dan_kelly: no, you want your system working. What kernel you're running shouldn't matter as long as it works [01:30] tomreyn: Yup! [01:30] Tue 23 19:20:54 -> Wed 24 01:29:33 [01:30] dan_kelly: If you are currently running 4.18.0-25-generic, then try sudo apt install linux-modules-4.18.0-25-generic [01:31] puff: so now you probably want to install ubuntu-server^ and remove ubuntu-desktop but make sure you don't remove andthing wireless-y [01:31] *anYthing [01:32] tomreyn: No, 16.04.3 desktop is the install the instructions say to use, I was trying server because of the keyboard/mose problem. At this point I just need to make sure it always uses the 4.10 kernel. [01:33] puff: ok, it's just that you now waste some RAM by running a graphical desktop you will probably never use (i think), but that's totally your choice [01:34] tomreyn: I'd agree with you, but for now I'm just trying to make it work the "right" way. [01:34] ok :) [01:34] Later I'll work on optimizing it. [01:34] i understand the approach, makes sense [01:34] Hm, apt gives me the lock error. Maybe there's some post-install updating going on in the background? [01:34] leftyfb: I give that a try. Thanks [01:35] ps shows the daily update... [01:35] puff: update-manager is probably running in the background. keep trying again in a few minutes [01:35] yeah. [01:36] Hm, to set GRUB_DEFAULT I need the full name as used in the grub menu the kernel I want. Is there a way to list those? [01:37] Ah, sudo grub-mkconfig [01:38] puff: update-grub writes those as "menuentry" into /boot/grub/grub.cfg [01:38] right, works, too [01:40] puff: out of interest, had you ever tried ubuntu 18.04 or something newer on there? [01:45] tomreyn: Not yet. [01:46] hello [01:46] okay, i was just wondering whether maybe newer kernels would have updated drivers which would make the keyboard work again [01:46] tomreyn: I considered it. I didn't expect to run into this keyboard/mouse problem and while normally I would assume there's no way to break the hardware by trying a later ubuntu install, at this point I'm now paranoid as hell... [01:46] Yeah. [01:47] It's on my list to try later... [01:47] cool [01:47] hi luxbel [01:47] okay, I edited /etc/default/grub, saved, ran update-grub, rebooting now, holding my breath... [01:47] I am trying to use an Emerson TV on ubuntu 18.10 but doesn't work... [01:47] !18.10 [01:47] Ubuntu 18.10 (Cosmic Cuttlefish) was the 29th release of Ubuntu. Support ended July 18th, 2019. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2019-July/004996.html [01:48] luxbel: you need to upgrade to 19.04. [01:48] And yay, it boots with the 4.10 kernel and the keyboard and mouse work! [01:49] not neccessarily to make the TV work but to have a supported ubuntu version [01:49] puff: nice! [01:49] the tv is old so i dot think i will make a difference [01:50] luxbel: it makes a difference in that we only support supported releases here. ;) [01:50] in cli how i update my system without losing settings and everything??? [01:50] ohhh [01:50] luxbel: how does the screen not work, though? [01:50] it is not recognized within the setting of ubuntu [01:50] it is like it is not there... [01:51] luxbel: does xrandr list it? [01:51] not dual monitor [01:51] tomreyn: Thank you very, very much. [01:51] i.e. type xrandr on terminal [01:51] sarnold: Thank you. [01:51] i dont know but ill try [01:51] puff: i just made you try thngs thsat didnt work (besides fixing the kernel image) ;) [01:52] !paste | luxbel [01:52] luxbel: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [01:52] tomreyn: True, someone tell pragmaticenigma I said thanks. [01:53] i'll try to remember [01:53] same :) [01:53] How do I list the kernels available? I guess look in /boot? [01:53] So, I just did a fresh install on my laptop, and left a few mb empty at the start of the drive so grub could do it's thing [01:53] I'm tempted to just delete the 4.15 kernel:-) [01:53] puff: yes, or dpkg -l | grep ^linux-image [01:54] it didn't make a ~2mb grub parition, so I have no idea what it did [01:55] StupidLikeAFox: fresh install of what, installing how? [01:55] xubuntu 18.04.2lts, from a liveUSB, onto an ssd I partitioned (gpt type) [01:56] now somehow got connnected but it doesnt fit the tv [01:56] it doesnt get the edges so i couldnt change settings by window [01:56] i now need to use the cli [01:57] StupidLikeAFox: and you're booting in BIOS or UEFI mode? [01:57] uefi i think [01:57] There's no options thing that pops up, but it boots so it is somewhere [01:57] tomreyn: legacy [01:57] luxbel: can you share the output? xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999 [01:58] am pretty new to this it have been like years since the last time i use linux at all [01:58] at least, it /shouldn't/ be uefi [01:59] I don't beleive the installed asked me what I wanted but I don't think uefi is enabled on the mobo [01:59] StupidLikeAFox: this tells, but i guess you'd need to be able to boot first of all... echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS [02:00] so [02:00] 18.04 (which I've literally never used) doesn't have the PermitRootLogin directive in ssh_config? [02:00] StupidLikeAFox: so you did manual partitioning using the ubuntu installer, right? [02:00] tomreyn: typethat whole thing in a terminal? [02:00] StupidLikeAFox: type or copy and paste, yes [02:00] I did manual partitioning in gparted when still booted as live [02:00] this is not the machine in question [02:01] TecMint says the way to disable root login is simply to expire the password [02:01] StupidLikeAFox: you could install an ssh server on the machine in question then connect to it via ssh [02:01] I never realized it before but apparently ssh_config is directive based [02:01] and it recognizes other directives [02:01] or I could install an irc client on it [02:01] but not PermitRootLogin no anymore [02:02] StupidLikeAFox: so you did manual partitioning using gparted form a live / installer usb, and then you started the installe dand installed? [02:03] impermanence: i have it there: #PermitRootLogin prohibit-password [02:03] cool [02:03] impermanence: it's commented out meaning this is the default setting. [02:03] tomreyn: there was a reboot in there, but basically [02:03] I don't [02:04] and it said 'BIOS' [02:04] it is not in my file [02:04] I'm not confused about that [02:04] and it is not recognized as a directive [02:04] strizzange [02:04] StupidLikeAFox: and then on the installer, did you do manual partitioning there or just install to the drive? [02:04] nor is it in man ssh_config [02:04] I think they removed it [02:04] StupidLikeAFox: ...using automatic paritioing [02:04] tomreyn: I assigned all the partitions to mount points [02:05] I think it has been deprecated or something [02:05] manually [02:05] StupidLikeAFox: you'd need to have setup a bios grub partition then, i think [02:05] maybe not lol [02:06] tomreyn: ah, gparted didn't seem to have an option to make one [02:06] impermanence: the manual for the ssh server is sshd_config(5) -note the d [02:06] ah funk [02:06] yep [02:06] derp [02:06] on this one, there was a 2mb biosgrub partition stuck at the very end of the drive [02:06] Bob beith thine uncle [02:06] thank you [02:07] tomreyn: Installing all the rest of the aero stuff now. What I wonder is why/how the heck it ended up with the wrong kernel there. That's the ubuntu installer that the docs link to, after all. [02:07] !enter | impermanence : you're welcome, and please [02:07] impermanence : you're welcome, and please: Please try and keep as much of your info as possible on ONE line - easier to follow for everyone. [02:08] StupidLikeAFox: i guess this should have worked, too, then [02:08] I don't remember doing anything special last time to make grub do it's thing properly [02:09] puff: update-grub selects the higest version kernel as a default unless you override this as you did. but maybe i misunderstood what you'Re saying? [02:09] Should I be in the grub specific room? [02:10] StupidLikeAFox: you're doing fine here. i suggest you do a standardinstall, then look at how it's laid out, and then optionally reinstall with your customizations, or just shuffle things around as needed. [02:11] tomreyn: It's partitioned basically the same way this one is, with two slight differences [02:12] I left ~5mb of empty space before the first partition, and I left out the ntfs partition in the group of OS ones before my home [02:12] StupidLikeAFox: if that results in it booting one but not the other time then at least one of the slight differences can't be that slight. [02:13] The machine is currently booting up, just confused why grub installed like an mbr one [02:13] keep it simple during installation, add extra partitions post install as needed [02:13] ah you have iot booting, nice. [02:15] idea of trying to fully partition it to start is so I won't have to manually edit the fstab(s) after :T [02:18] i'm not sure it's worth this - but your mileage may vary [02:19] I've had setups before where grub ended up tied to a horribly out of date install I didn't use for anything- then it broke and every tool I tried refused to fix it... [02:19] It's annoying using grub-live to chainload something on the hard disk [02:22] entirely unrelated question if anybody wants to chime in, what format would be best for a 256gb flash drive that'll only ever be used with linux? [02:22] hi I am upgrading my system to 19.04 [02:22] my tv has been recognized but the image is blurred === [b0b] is now known as b0b [02:23] it seems to be in FAT32 now, I didn't know it was good for that big a drive [02:23] hello [02:23] StupidLikeAFox: ext4 is probably a better option then. [02:23] StupidLikeAFox: I'd do ext4 [02:23] luxbel: welcome back. be sure to backup before you upgrade [02:24] luxbel: try xrandr to see if the results match what you expect [02:24] it is only 2 days old so no need for it thnx though... [02:25] luxbel: in this case your other choice is a fresh 18.04.2 LTS installation [02:25] i used xrandr but i dont know what i sould be looking at, it is just info... [02:25] it recognize the tv though... [02:26] luxbel: the command i provided would have posted the output to a website, and you could have shared the web address [02:26] heh, ext4 has a bit more metadata than fat32- 71mb used including spam from sandisk -> 4.72gb used [02:27] luxbel@luxbel-Lenovo-G51-35:~$ xrandr [02:27] Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 16384 x 16384 [02:27] eDP connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) [02:27] 1366x768 60.00 + [02:27] 1280x720 59.97 [02:27] !paste | luxbel: as a reminder [02:27] luxbel: as a reminder: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [02:27] StupidLikeAFox: heh, nice [02:28] ok. [02:29] luxbel: so when you posted your output directly into the channel you were disconnected for flooding the chat and we didn't get to see the full output. [02:34] * tomreyn zzz === Loshki is now known as doryphore [03:26] hello [03:29] libreOffice writer - I have an image on a page - right click "Edit with external tool" brings up an image viewer. how do I get it to open in Gimp? [03:30] CarlFK: maybe try #libreoffice or #gimp [03:37] woot: super key, applications, details, default apps, photos, gimp. [03:40] tomreyn: I set it explicity via GRUB_DEFAULT per the link you pointed me to. [03:40] tomreyn However, I just changed that to set it to the intel aero kernel... and it comes up without wifi. Or, apparently, networkmanager. [03:44] puff: is your issue solved now? [03:48] lotuspsychje: No. [03:49] puff: feel free to re-ask your issue to the channel, so other volunteers can try to pickup where you left [03:49] lotuspsychje: So I fixed the problem with the USB mouse and keyboard not working by editing /etc/default/grub and setting GRUB_DEFAULT to the 4.10 kernel. Then I installed the intel aero drone packages, etc according to the instructiosn, and it booted up and... no wifi hotspot. The networkmanager dropdown doesn't even list a wifi option. [03:50] lotuspsychje: So I tried restoring /etc/default/grub to the backup, rebooted, same result, no wifi. [03:50] lotuspsychje: I'm not sure how dependent the aero stuff is on that aero kernel, but I'm guessing it's there for a reason... [04:00] lotuspsychje: Bigger picture, I'm trying to install ubuntu on an intel aero quadcopter, following these instructions: https://github.com/intel-aero/meta-intel-aero/wiki/90-(References)-OS-user-Installation [04:01] lotuspsychje: I got it working once, then reinstalled to the stock yocto that the aero comes with. Then tried to install ubuntu again, but after getting to the end of the install and clicknig reboot the USB mouse and keyboard didn't work. [04:02] lotuspsychje: pragmaticenigma found this bug, which seems to be the answer https://github.com/intel-aero/meta-intel-aero/issues/363 [04:03] puff: can that device not be installed with a more recent point release? there's 16.04.6 now [04:03] lotuspsychje: long story short, 16.04.3 has two kernel versions, 4.10 and 4.15, and it was booting 4.15 and the fix was to force it to boot 4.10. Which I did. Then I followed the rest of the steps, installing various dependencies and then stuff from the intel aero PPA, and it all appeared to go smoothly, but when I undid the /etc/default/grub GRUB_DEFAULT setting it went back to 4.15. When I set it to the intel aero kernel from the [04:03] PPA, it doesn't come up with the wifi hotspot and the networkmanager GUI doesn't even list wifi. [04:04] puff: the problem now is we cant go file bugs on outdated kernels or point releases [04:04] lotuspsychje: There's a special intel aero kernel for that version of 16.0.3. I actually tried 16.04.05 and 16.04.06 but that was before we figured out the kernel problem, so the USB mouse & keyboard didn't work on those either. [04:05] lotus|NUC: My current hypothesis, such as it is, is that messing with the grub config tripped up the aero package installs somehow. [04:05] puff: i surely would consider filing a bug on that, on 16.04.6 [04:06] lotus|NUC: So I'm thinking, a) try to apt remove purge the packages and then reinstall them, and if that doesn't work b) try reinstalling 16.04.3 from scratch, this time not messing with the grub configs and just using the grub boot menu to pick 4.10, then install the aero packages and let the rest happen by the defaults. [04:08] puff: sure you can try, but the way i see it, keeping your device on .3 gives you security risks and unwanted behaviour once you connect to the internet [04:09] puff: when filing a bug on .6 might give light on whats actually wrong there [04:10] lotus|NUC: Unless you can convince intel to update their support, there's not much I can do. [04:10] puff: another problem is those intel ppa's we cannot support either [04:10] Right. [04:11] My point is, Intel has me stuck with 16.04.3, I'm just trying to make this $1500 quadcopter work. [04:11] puff: but without the ppa's, your device doesnt work by default, its an ubuntu bug right [04:11] I never said it's an ubuntu bug (though the USB mouse and keyboard thing might be) [04:11] I'm just trying to fix this. [04:12] puff: hence why to test it on default 16.04.6 or 18.04.2 to see if it doesnt work by default [04:13] puff: if nobody ever files a bug on weird devices, devs will also never notice what to adapt, agree? [04:13] What are the odds that there's some sort of weird conflict between the intel aero kernel and 16.04.6? [04:13] I'll definitely try 16.04.6, after I finish trying 16.04.3. [04:14] puff: that would be great, then the devs would have to be creative [04:14] hey, looks like the purge may have fixed it, though I had to manually choose the aero kernel at the grub menu. [04:14] Cool, okay... so now I'm going to run the network tests that were the whole reason I'm doing this to begin with. [04:15] kk good luck [04:15] Thanks, goodnight, I'm going to start the test then watch a little TV to relax, then hit the sack. I'll try 16.04.6 tomorrow. [04:15] great === morphis5 is now known as morphis [05:31] #installgentoo [05:57] Hi [05:58] how do I debug computer hanging shortly after booting and logging to desktop? [06:00] back.. it happened again [06:02] nemith_: Any hints in the .xsession-errors file in your home ? [06:07] <_doxker_zero> are you sure the lag is due to 'GUI' (desktop) load up only ? [06:25] k [06:25] sorry, accident [06:26] smbd.service - LSB: start Samba SMB/CIFS daemon (smbd) Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/smbd; bad; vendor preset: enabled) Drop-In: /etc/systemd/system/smbd.service.d └─override.conf Active: active (exited) since Wed 2019-07-24 00:52:30 CDT; 42s ago Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8) Process: 14150 ExecReload=/etc/init.d/smbd reload (code=exited, statu [06:26] s=0/SUCCESS)Jul 24 00:52:28 ControlCoNAS systemd[1]: Starting LSB: start Samba SMB/CIFS daemon (smbd)...Jul 24 00:52:30 ControlCoNAS systemd[1]: smbd.service: Unit cannot be reloaded because it is inactive.Jul 24 00:52:34 ControlCoNAS systemd[1]: Reloading LSB: start Samba SMB/CIFS daemon (smbd).Jul 24 00:52:34 ControlCoNAS smbd[5773]: * Reloading [06:26] /etc/samba/smb.conf smbdJul 24 00:52:34 ControlCoNAS smbd[5773]: ...done.Jul 24 00:52:3 [06:26] Trying to figure out why smbd is in an exited stat every time I reboot this ubuntu 16.04 device. It can be resolved with a systemctl restart smbd. But systemctl reload smbd does not help. [06:31] <_doxker_zero> check in syslogs '/var/log/syslog' or 'journalctl -fu smbd' [06:32] <_doxker_zero> run 'journalctl -fu smbd' in 1 terminal and restart smbd in another terminal, it will show the issue in logs. [06:53] Hello all, I'm observing cups service is consuming high memory usage. I'm on ubuntu 16.04. Any idea what could be the reason ?The memory keeps on increasing graduallyWithin few hours, it reaches 100% [07:01] Has anyone faced similar cupsd behaviour ? [07:13] Hi [07:15] I have a Lenovo Thinkpad P52 with two hard drives. One has an encrypted Ubuntu installation, the other has a windows 10 which I'm not using. This morning I got a firmware upgrade notification in Ubuntu, which I successfully installed. However, it apparently also installed the windows boot manager and now I cannot boot into Ubuntu anymore. I removed the windows 10 drive now. How do I install grub, so I can boot ubuntu again? [07:16] MonsieurBon: Do you have Live CD or USB? [07:16] MonsieurBon, sorry i haven't used windows in decade+, but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows maybe helpful [07:16]