[00:00] <pragmaticenigma> So I think we discovered why 16.04.3 was recommended, but it apepars there is a workaround
[00:01] <sarnold> pragmaticenigma: wow :/
[00:01] <tomreyn> puff: you can just select the "right" (intel provided) kernel image, though. the issue there is just that the default ubuntu kernel has a higher version and thus becomes the default.
[00:02] <tomreyn> puff: keyboard on grub should still work fine though. see https://github.com/intel-aero/meta-intel-aero/issues/363#issuecomment-415309443
[00:03] <fassl> c0nker, sarnold sometimes a .so file is not an actual shared lib but a text file containing a path to where to find the actual one, iirc, what does the file command say about that file?
[00:03] <tomreyn> puff: you can also fix the kernel to boot by editing /etc/default/grub - but maybe that's for later.
[00:03] <sarnold> fassl: woah really?
[00:04] <fassl> i remember having to patch some paths for libm/libc in .so files trying to build a sysrooted gcc
[00:04] <sarnold> fassl: beautiful. :D thanks!
[00:04] <puff> So, question, should I continue down this path of sneakernetting wifi packages onto the server install, or punt and reinstall 16.04.3 and figure out the kernel?
[00:04] <c0nker> im making space for apt-file update to be able to finish
[00:04] <sarnold> puff: punting might be quicker
[00:04] <puff> Part of me wants to finish with the server install approach, but I suspect punting is better.
[00:04] <c0nker> if everything fails I'll need to transfuse from another disk
[00:04] <puff> Okay, I can always redo the server install.
[00:05] <sarnold> c0nker: sorry, I just meant to try one of the other packages that supplies that file :( I'm sorry :(
[00:05] <c0nker> nah I think I got it
[00:05] <puff> You guys going to be around in a bit?  I could use some help figuring out grub. Haven't touched it in ages and was never super confident with it.
[00:05] <c0nker> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZdwRTxKHpx/ sarnold
[00:06] <pragmaticenigma> puff if you need notes irclogs.ubuntu.com will have this conversation for you :-) I would also punt and try again with the recommended path
[00:06] <sarnold> c0nker: and if you install nvidia-340 ?
[00:06] <c0nker> I *think* it is installed
[00:07] <c0nker> oh, I am not
[00:07] <c0nker> im in nvidia-driver-390
[00:07] <c0nker> the tested, recommended metapackage
[00:08] <c0nker> its a pain in the ass to change it again, but I guess I can try
[00:09] <sarnold> oh :(
[00:10] <c0nker> do you think that would work?
[00:13] <tomreyn> puff: i'll not be around for a whole lot longer (it's past midnight here), but maybe a bit after taking a shower.
[00:14] <johnjay> is apt not installed by default anymore?
[00:14] <johnjay> i tried sudo apt-get install <very important program> and it said to use snap
[00:14] <leftyfb> johnjay: what program?
[00:14] <johnjay> emacs of course
[00:14] <leftyfb> what vesion of ubuntu?
[00:14] <johnjay> some benighted souls have decided it no longer belongs on the main cd anymore
[00:14] <johnjay> 18.04
[00:15] <leftyfb> johnjay: emacs installs just fine on Ubuntu 18.04
[00:15] <leftyfb> using apt
[00:15] <pragmaticenigma> installs just fine for me to using apt and apt-get
[00:15] <johnjay> maybe i need to snap install apt first?
[00:15] <pragmaticenigma> johnjay: no
[00:15] <johnjay> idk i just typed sudo apt install at a terminal right after install
[00:15] <leftyfb> johnjay: sudo apt install emacs
[00:15] <leftyfb> type it now
[00:15] <johnjay> yes that failed
[00:16] <leftyfb> pastebin please
[00:16] <johnjay> ok sec. let me try again
[00:17] <leftyfb> johnjay: if it doesn't work, please run this and paste the link here:  nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};sudo apt install emacs -y)
[00:18] <c0nker> ok Im going to purge Nvidia packages, and install the old one
[00:18] <c0nker> not the original, just the binary blob
[00:19] <johnjay> it says No apt package "emacs", but there is a snap with that name.Try "snap install emacs"
[00:19] <c0nker> I dont know if it will work, to be honest I dont know how to fix this mess
[00:19] <Bashing-om> c0nker: Check too that there is not an xorg.conf file at play here :)
[00:20] <pragmaticenigma> johnjay: please send us the link that comes from: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};sudo apt install emacs -y)
[00:20] <leftyfb> johnjay:  nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-cache policy emacs )
[00:20] <c0nker> Bashing-om, I think I saw your post, I checked before, but I dont know if there's any other problem
[00:20] <c0nker> now my system wont log in normally, without weyland
[00:20] <c0nker> I assumed that was the problem
[00:21] <uRock> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/emacs
[00:21] <uRock> It's "supposed" to be there
[00:21] <leftyfb> uRock: it is
[00:21] <Bashing-om> c0nker: Nvidia and Wayland is still a work in progress :(
[00:21] <leftyfb> something else is wrong. This is why we are troubleshooting
[00:22] <c0nker> and im out of space
[00:22] <uRock> leftyfb, I know, just throwing that in there for viewing pleasure.
[00:22] <johnjay> https://termbin.com/qyl4
[00:22] <johnjay> leftyfb
[00:23] <johnjay> the command failed because could not get a lock on /var/apt/...
[00:23] <johnjay> should I try su'ing?
[00:23] <uRock> usually means something else is using apt
[00:23] <pragmaticenigma> johnjay: it couldn't get a lock because another apt process was running... you can try it again in a few moments
[00:24] <leftyfb> I'm betting something else is wrong
[00:24] <johnjay> oh well when it gives that lock error it never allows you to do anything
[00:24] <leftyfb> johnjay: please pastebin the error
[00:24] <johnjay> i've got 2x apt.systemd.dai and one apt-get running
[00:24] <leftyfb> this is why it's failing
[00:24] <leftyfb> johnjay: please pastebin the error
[00:25] <johnjay> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8THgpsWcKf/
[00:26] <leftyfb> johnjay: please pastebin: ps -ef |egrep "apt|dpkg"
[00:26] <johnjay> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PN9WxJgDSb/
[00:27] <johnjay> it's the 3 processes i mentioned
[00:27] <johnjay> are they frozen?
[00:27] <leftyfb> they've been running for about 10 minutes
[00:27] <sarnold> they've been running for at least eight minutes
[00:28] <johnjay> yeah i just started the system up so i assume that's why
[00:28] <johnjay> i think i did install emacs through the software center after i got that error
[00:28] <johnjay> the snap one i mean
[00:28] <johnjay> otherwise it's fresh install
[00:28] <johnjay> should I try reinstalling Ubuntu? XD
[00:29] <leftyfb> either wait for those processes to stop, reboot, or kill the processes and manually run: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade
[00:29] <johnjay> well that's what i've done in the past when i got this problem
[00:29] <johnjay> ok
[00:30] <leftyfb> I gave 3 options. Which have you done in the past? You also shouldn't be running into this issue that often
[00:30] <puff> tomreyn, sarnold, pragmaticenigma: Okay, while I'm waiting for the 16.04.3 ISO to download, what do I need to do with grub?
[00:30] <johnjay> i think i run into it everytime i install ubuntu
[00:30] <johnjay> but i've only done that like 2 or 3 times recently
[00:31] <johnjay> the last one
[00:31] <johnjay> i've killed them and now apt-get works fine
[00:31] <pragmaticenigma> puff I would read through that entire thread I sent you, I'm not familiar with what you are trying to do... tomreyn has stepped out for a while
[00:31] <johnjay> maybe it was downloading stuff... the software center window just popped up with updates to install
[00:32] <johnjay> could that be it?
[00:32] <sarnold> johnjay: you could check the output of journalctl -u apt-daily   to see roughly how long that process takes
[00:33] <sarnold> puff: sorry, I've only ever seen the installer a handful of times.. once things are up and running I leave em alone for a few years
[00:33] <c0nker> ok Im going to reboot and see what happens, Ive changed my nvidia driver again
[00:33] <sarnold> c0nker: woot good luck
[00:34] <johnjay> sarnold: it says failed to start
[00:34] <johnjay> jul 23 19:30:23 asrock systemd[1]: apt-daily.service: Main process exited, code=killed, status=9/KILL
[00:34] <MalMen> there is any channel for discusting Ubuntucon ?
[00:34] <sarnold> johnjay: that was probably you killing it a momment ago
[00:35] <mmercer> anyone ever had an issue with preseed.cfg root-password crypted values not working for login via ssh ?
[00:35] <sarnold> johnjay: mine has loads of historical runs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nGpxZT8CgV/
[00:35] <mmercer> i have root login boolean set to true, ive tested the salt and hash numerous times, it works, but I cannot for the life of me login on this machine with the password that I should be able to
[00:35] <leftyfb> MalMen: since there is no such thing, no
[00:35] <sarnold> mmercer: if you don't get responses in a few minutes, try again in #ubuntu-server -- it's more likely someone in there's done preseed
[00:35] <puff> pragmaticenigma: I read through the thread.  What I think needs to happen is a) interrupt the boot at the grub menu, easy enough, just hit the arrow key when it comes up. b) select the older kernel to boot from.  That part may be trickier... if it's an option in the grub menu, easy, otherwise I need to figure out the right grub command to boot that kernel. c) edit the /etc/default/grub to make it always default to the older kernel.
[00:36] <mmercer> sarnold: ahh, perfect, forgot separated room, tnx
[00:37] <johnjay> sarnold: so is this just a matter of, i often try to install software right after i login
[00:37] <johnjay> and the apt process is still doing that daily update thing?
[00:37] <sarnold> johnjay: probably
[00:38] <sarnold> johnjay: you could fiddle with the settings if you want to disable it, but I suspect it'll solve itself over time as you're less likely to need to install new things in a few weeks
[00:44] <johnjay> right
[00:44] <johnjay> that makes sense
[00:45] <johnjay> personally i find this process tiresome. there's not even a metapackage i can see that installs inkscape and gimp together
[00:45] <johnjay> thanks for the help all
[00:45] <sarnold> you may find the two useful together, but I've used gimp thousands of times and inkscape never :)
[00:45] <sarnold> there'd be several hundred thousand pacakges if we had meta pacakges for every two packages on the system..
[00:46] <sarnold> and I'm not sure apt install gimp-and-inkscape is better than apt install gimp inkscape
[00:47] <sarnold> and someone would doubtless typo apt install inkscape-and-gimp and wonder why it doesn't exist so we'd wind up with a fewh undred thousand more packages with the package names in either order... :D
[00:47] <leftyfb> there's no reason to install both using a meta package
[00:47] <leftyfb> other than individual personal preference. Which does not make for good development
[00:48] <Bashing-om> MalMen: "alis" lists the #ubucon channel - see if that is what you seek ;)
[00:50] <johnjay> sarnold: i was thinking more something like graphics-general-tools
[00:50] <johnjay> blender doesn't seem to be in any metapackages either
[00:50] <johnjay> just a few
[00:51] <sarnold> if you're aiming at multimedia kinds of things there is ubuntu studio, though that's way more than just a handy metapackage
[00:52] <johnjay>  yes i did use that before
[00:52] <Eickmeyer> Blender should be part of the ubuntustudio-video metapackage
[00:52] <johnjay> i wanted to try vanilla ubuntu this time
[00:53] <johnjay> Eickmeyer: idk if that exists but apt-redepends -r didnt' show it for me
[00:53] <Eickmeyer> johnjay: I'm the leader of Ubuntu Studio. Trust me on this one.
[00:54] <johnjay> heh right
[00:54] <johnjay> i meant exists in the ubuntu repo
[00:55] <johnjay> looks like i have bionic main restricted, bionic universe, bionic-updates main restricted
[00:55] <johnjay> also multiverse and backports
[00:55] <tomreyn> puff: after installing and booting into the installed system, and after installing the intel kernel image from their PPA, you can do this to fix grub to default to the intel kernel: https://askubuntu.com/questions/216398/set-older-kernel-as-default-grub-entry#answers
[00:56] <Bashing-om> johnjay: "sysop@x1804mini:~$ apt list blender >> blender/bionic-updates 2.79.b+dfsg0-1ubuntu1.18.04.1 amd64" .
[00:56] <leftyfb> johnjay: the ubuntustudio-video meta-package is part of the universe repo
[00:56] <johnjay> so i should have it
[00:56] <leftyfb> or you could just install blender
[00:57] <johnjay> i wonder why apt-rdepends doesn't show it then
[00:57] <johnjay> it only shows morse-simulator and blender-ogrexml
[00:58] <johnjay> anyways gtg
[00:59] <johnjay> thanks again
[00:59] <coffeecow> Can anyone recommend some easy replacements for Google Calendar, Apple Notes and Reminders that I can host myself on my home server? I want to be able to manage stuff from my phone on iOS and on my Ubuntu lapotp.
[01:00] <tomreyn> puff: and yes i'd expect the intel kernel to get automatically added to the grub menu when you install it (you may need to run update-grub, but i assume this will happen automatically, too)
[01:01] <tomreyn> coffeecow: nextcloud may cover this and more, have a look.
[01:05] <dan_kelly> can you remove the hwe kernel and install the standard GA kernel in Ubuntu 18.04.2
[01:05] <leftyfb> dan_kelly: yes
[01:06] <MaroonedAnchor> coffeecow: I second the nextcloud recommendation
[01:07] <dan_kelly> lefyfb:Is there instruction how to do that?
[01:08] <leftyfb> dan_kelly: why do you need to do this?
[01:09] <OerHeks> i think reboot in the non-hwe kernel, should still be  installed, and remove the hwe part ?
 Hardware compatibility issues.
[01:11] <puff> tomreyn: Thanks.
[01:11] <puff> tomreyn: Hm, tried holding down the shift key as it booted, but it didn't give me the grub menu.
[01:12] <leftyfb> dan_kelly: care to elaborate? You know for a fact that you currently have a piece of hardware that fails to work with the 4.18.x kernel but you know works with the 4.15.x kernel?
[01:15] <puff> tomreyn: Hm, the trick seems to be to hit ESC to get into BIOS and then select to boot ubuntu, then hit esc to get the grub> prompt.  I think if I hit it just once I'll stop at the menu, I hope.
[01:20] <dan_kelly> leftyfb: The most recent hwe stack brakes my hardware drives every time I let the hwe update
[01:20] <leftyfb> dan_kelly: define "brakes my hardware drives"
[01:25] <dan_kelly> leftyfb: vbox quits working, AMD graphics card fails to work properly and so on
[01:26] <leftyfb> dan_kelly: sounds like you're missing the kernel headers for new kernels
[01:28] <puff> tomreyn, sarnold: Took some tricky timing with the ESC key but now I'm in ubuntu 16.04.3 with kernel 4.10 and functional keyboard and mouse, yay!
[01:28] <sarnold> puff: *nice*
[01:28] <sarnold> puff: man that feels like absolutely forever ago :/
[01:29] <leftyfb> dan_kelly: which kernel are you running right now?
[01:29] <puff> sarnold: So does this morning.
[01:29] <tomreyn> puff: yeay
[01:29] <dan_kelly> leftyfb: I just want to down grade be to a working kernel
[01:30] <tomreyn> puff: and you also have wireless there?
[01:30] <leftyfb> dan_kelly: no, you want your system working. What kernel you're running shouldn't matter as long as it works
[01:30] <puff> tomreyn: Yup!
[01:30] <sarnold> Tue 23 19:20:54  -> Wed 24 01:29:33
[01:30] <leftyfb> dan_kelly: If you are currently running 4.18.0-25-generic, then try sudo apt install linux-modules-4.18.0-25-generic
[01:31] <tomreyn> puff: so now you probably want to install ubuntu-server^ and remove ubuntu-desktop but make sure you don't remove andthing wireless-y
[01:31] <tomreyn> *anYthing
[01:32] <puff> tomreyn: No, 16.04.3 desktop is the install the instructions say to use, I was trying server because of the keyboard/mose problem.  At this point I just need to make sure it always uses the 4.10 kernel.
[01:33] <tomreyn> puff: ok, it's just that you now waste some RAM by running a graphical desktop you will probably never use (i think), but that's totally your choice
[01:34] <puff> tomreyn: I'd agree with you, but for now I'm just trying to make it work the "right" way.
[01:34] <tomreyn> ok :)
[01:34] <puff> Later I'll work on optimizing it.
[01:34] <tomreyn> i understand the approach, makes sense
[01:34] <puff> Hm, apt gives me the lock error.  Maybe there's some post-install updating going on in the background?
[01:34] <dan_kelly> leftyfb: I give that a try. Thanks
[01:35] <puff> ps shows the daily update...
[01:35] <tomreyn> puff: update-manager is probably running in the background. keep trying again in a few minutes
[01:35] <puff> yeah.
[01:36] <puff> Hm, to set GRUB_DEFAULT I need the full name as used in the grub menu the kernel I want.  Is there a way to list those?
[01:37] <puff> Ah, sudo grub-mkconfig
[01:38] <tomreyn> puff: update-grub writes those as "menuentry" into /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[01:38] <tomreyn> right, works, too
[01:40] <tomreyn> puff: out of interest, had you ever tried ubuntu 18.04 or something newer on there?
[01:45] <puff> tomreyn: Not yet.
[01:46] <luxbel> hello
[01:46] <tomreyn> okay, i was just wondering whether maybe newer kernels would have updated drivers which would make the keyboard work again
[01:46] <puff> tomreyn: I considered it.  I didn't expect to run into this keyboard/mouse problem and while normally I would assume there's no way to break the hardware by trying a later ubuntu install, at this point I'm now paranoid as hell...
[01:46] <puff> Yeah.
[01:47] <puff> It's on my list to try later...
[01:47] <tomreyn> cool
[01:47] <tomreyn> hi luxbel
[01:47] <puff> okay, I edited /etc/default/grub, saved, ran update-grub, rebooting now, holding my breath...
[01:47] <luxbel> I am trying to use an Emerson TV on ubuntu 18.10 but doesn't work...
[01:47] <tomreyn> !18.10
[01:48] <tomreyn> luxbel: you need to upgrade to 19.04.
[01:48] <puff> And yay, it boots with the 4.10 kernel and the keyboard and mouse work!
[01:49] <tomreyn> not neccessarily to make the TV work but to have a supported ubuntu version
[01:49] <tomreyn> puff: nice!
[01:49] <luxbel> the tv is old so i dot think i will make a difference
[01:50] <tomreyn> luxbel: it makes a difference in that we only support supported releases here. ;)
[01:50] <luxbel> in cli how i update my system without losing settings and everything???
[01:50] <luxbel> ohhh
[01:50] <tomreyn> luxbel: how does the screen not work, though?
[01:50] <luxbel> it is not recognized within the setting of ubuntu
[01:50] <luxbel> it is like it is not there...
[01:51] <tomreyn> luxbel: does xrandr list it?
[01:51] <luxbel> not dual monitor
[01:51] <puff> tomreyn: Thank you very, very much.
[01:51] <tomreyn> i.e. type    xrandr   on terminal
[01:51] <puff> sarnold: Thank you.
[01:51] <luxbel> i dont know but ill try
[01:51] <tomreyn> puff: i just made you try thngs thsat didnt work (besides fixing the kernel image) ;)
[01:52] <tomreyn> !paste | luxbel
[01:52] <puff> tomreyn: True, someone tell pragmaticenigma I said thanks.
[01:53] <tomreyn> i'll try to remember
[01:53] <sarnold> same :)
[01:53] <puff> How do I list the kernels available?  I guess look in /boot?
[01:53] <StupidLikeAFox> So, I just did a fresh install on my laptop, and left a few mb empty at the start of the drive so grub could do it's thing
[01:53] <puff> I'm tempted to just delete the 4.15 kernel:-)
[01:53] <tomreyn> puff: yes, or dpkg -l | grep ^linux-image
[01:54] <StupidLikeAFox> it didn't make a ~2mb grub parition, so I have no idea what it did
[01:55] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: fresh install of what, installing how?
[01:55] <StupidLikeAFox> xubuntu 18.04.2lts, from a liveUSB, onto an ssd I partitioned (gpt type)
[01:56] <luxbel> now somehow got connnected but it doesnt fit the tv
[01:56] <luxbel> it doesnt get the edges so i couldnt change settings by window
[01:56] <luxbel> i now need to use the cli
[01:57] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: and you're booting in BIOS or UEFI mode?
[01:57] <luxbel> uefi i think
[01:57] <StupidLikeAFox> There's no options thing that pops up, but it boots so it is somewhere
[01:57] <StupidLikeAFox> tomreyn: legacy
[01:57] <tomreyn> luxbel: can you share the output?    xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:58] <luxbel> am pretty new to this it have been like years since the last time i use linux at all
[01:58] <StupidLikeAFox> at least, it /shouldn't/ be uefi
[01:59] <StupidLikeAFox> I don't beleive the installed asked me what I wanted but I don't think uefi is enabled on the mobo
[01:59] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: this tells, but i guess you'd need to be able to boot first of all...   echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[02:00] <impermanence> so
[02:00] <impermanence> 18.04 (which I've literally never used) doesn't have the PermitRootLogin directive in ssh_config?
[02:00] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: so you did manual partitioning using the ubuntu installer, right?
[02:00] <StupidLikeAFox> tomreyn: typethat whole thing in a terminal?
[02:00] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: type or copy and paste, yes
[02:00] <StupidLikeAFox> I did manual partitioning in gparted when still booted as live
[02:00] <StupidLikeAFox> this is not the machine in question
[02:01] <impermanence> TecMint says the way to disable root login is simply to expire the password
[02:01] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: you could install an ssh server on the machine in question then connect to it via ssh
[02:01] <impermanence> I never realized it before but apparently ssh_config is directive based
[02:01] <impermanence> and it recognizes other directives
[02:01] <StupidLikeAFox> or I could install an irc client on it
[02:01] <impermanence> but not PermitRootLogin no   anymore
[02:02] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: so you did manual partitioning using gparted form a live / installer usb, and then you started the installe dand installed?
[02:03] <tomreyn> impermanence: i have it there:     #PermitRootLogin prohibit-password
[02:03] <impermanence> cool
[02:03] <tomreyn> impermanence: it's commented out meaning this is the default setting.
[02:03] <StupidLikeAFox> tomreyn: there was a reboot in there, but basically
[02:03] <impermanence> I don't
[02:04] <StupidLikeAFox> and it said 'BIOS'
[02:04] <impermanence> it is not in my file
[02:04] <impermanence> I'm not confused about that
[02:04] <impermanence> and it is not recognized as a directive
[02:04] <impermanence> strizzange
[02:04] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: and then on the installer, did you do manual partitioning there or just install to the drive?
[02:04] <impermanence> nor is it in man ssh_config
[02:04] <impermanence> I think they removed it
[02:04] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: ...using automatic paritioing
[02:04] <StupidLikeAFox> tomreyn: I assigned all the partitions to mount points
[02:05] <impermanence> I think it has been deprecated or something
[02:05] <StupidLikeAFox> manually
[02:05] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: you'd need to have setup a bios grub partition then, i think
[02:05] <impermanence> maybe not lol
[02:06] <StupidLikeAFox> tomreyn: ah, gparted didn't seem to have an option to make one
[02:06] <tomreyn> impermanence: the manual for the ssh server is sshd_config(5) -note the d
[02:06] <impermanence> ah funk
[02:06] <impermanence> yep
[02:06] <impermanence> derp
[02:06] <StupidLikeAFox> on this one, there was a 2mb biosgrub partition stuck at the very end of the drive
[02:06] <impermanence> Bob beith thine uncle
[02:06] <impermanence> thank you
[02:07] <puff> tomreyn: Installing all the rest of the aero stuff now.  What I wonder is why/how the heck it ended up with the wrong kernel there.  That's the ubuntu installer that the docs link to, after all.
[02:07] <tomreyn> !enter | impermanence : you're welcome, and please
[02:08] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: i guess this should have worked, too, then
[02:08] <StupidLikeAFox> I don't remember doing anything special last time to make grub do it's thing properly
[02:09] <tomreyn> puff: update-grub selects the higest version kernel as a default unless you override this as you did. but maybe i misunderstood what you'Re saying?
[02:09] <StupidLikeAFox> Should I be in the grub specific room?
[02:10] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: you're doing fine here. i suggest you do a standardinstall, then look at how it's laid out, and then optionally reinstall with your customizations, or just shuffle things around as needed.
[02:11] <StupidLikeAFox> tomreyn: It's partitioned basically the same way this one is, with two slight differences
[02:12] <StupidLikeAFox> I left ~5mb of empty space before the first partition, and I left out the ntfs partition in the group of OS ones before my home
[02:12] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: if that results in it booting one but not the other time then at least one of the slight differences can't be that slight.
[02:13] <StupidLikeAFox> The machine is currently booting up, just confused why grub installed like an mbr one
[02:13] <tomreyn> keep it simple during installation, add extra partitions post install as needed
[02:13] <tomreyn> ah you have iot booting, nice.
[02:15] <StupidLikeAFox> idea of trying to fully partition it to start is so I won't have to manually edit the fstab(s) after :T
[02:18] <tomreyn> i'm not sure it's worth this - but your mileage may vary
[02:19] <StupidLikeAFox> I've had setups before where grub ended up tied to a horribly out of date install I didn't use for anything- then it broke and every tool I tried refused to fix it...
[02:19] <StupidLikeAFox> It's annoying using grub-live to chainload something on the hard disk
[02:22] <StupidLikeAFox> entirely unrelated question if anybody wants to chime in, what format would be best for a 256gb flash drive that'll only ever be used with linux?
[02:22] <luxbel> hi I am upgrading my system to 19.04
[02:22] <luxbel> my tv has been recognized but the image is blurred
[02:23] <StupidLikeAFox> it seems to be in FAT32 now, I didn't know it was good for that big a drive
[02:23] <luxbel> hello
[02:23] <tomreyn> StupidLikeAFox: ext4 is probably a better option then.
[02:23] <sarnold> StupidLikeAFox: I'd do ext4
[02:23] <tomreyn> luxbel: welcome back. be sure to backup before you upgrade
[02:24] <sarnold> luxbel: try xrandr to see if the results match what you expect
[02:24] <luxbel> it is only 2 days old so no need for it thnx though...
[02:25] <tomreyn> luxbel: in this case your other choice is a fresh 18.04.2 LTS installation
[02:25] <luxbel> i used xrandr but i dont know what i sould be looking at, it is just info...
[02:25] <luxbel> it recognize the tv though...
[02:26] <tomreyn> luxbel: the command i provided would have posted the output to a website, and you could have shared the web address
[02:26] <StupidLikeAFox> heh, ext4 has a bit more metadata than fat32- 71mb used including spam from sandisk -> 4.72gb used
[02:27] <luxbel> luxbel@luxbel-Lenovo-G51-35:~$ xrandr
[02:27] <luxbel> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 16384 x 16384
[02:27] <luxbel> eDP connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[02:27] <luxbel>    1366x768      60.00 +
[02:27] <luxbel>    1280x720      59.97
[02:27] <tomreyn> !paste | luxbel: as a reminder
[02:27] <sarnold> StupidLikeAFox: heh, nice
[02:28] <luxbel> ok.
[02:29] <tomreyn> luxbel: so when you posted your output directly into the channel you were disconnected for flooding the chat and we didn't get to see the full output.
[02:34]  * tomreyn zzz
[03:26] <ZaZaGX> hello
[03:29] <CarlFK> libreOffice writer - I have an image on a page - right click "Edit with external tool" brings up an image viewer.  how do I get it to open in Gimp?
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> CarlFK: maybe try #libreoffice or #gimp
[03:37] <CarlFK> woot: super key, applications, details, default apps, photos, gimp.
[03:40] <puff> tomreyn: I set it explicity via GRUB_DEFAULT per the link you pointed me to.
[03:40] <puff> tomreyn However, I just changed that to set it to the intel aero kernel... and it comes up without wifi. Or, apparently, networkmanager.
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> puff: is your issue solved now?
[03:48] <puff> lotuspsychje: No.
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> puff: feel free to re-ask your issue to the channel, so other volunteers can try to pickup where you left
[03:49] <puff> lotuspsychje: So I fixed the problem with the USB mouse and keyboard not working by editing /etc/default/grub and setting GRUB_DEFAULT to the 4.10 kernel. Then I installed the intel aero drone packages, etc according to the instructiosn, and it booted up and... no wifi hotspot.  The networkmanager dropdown doesn't even list a wifi option.
[03:50] <puff> lotuspsychje: So I tried restoring /etc/default/grub to the backup, rebooted, same result, no wifi.
[03:50] <puff> lotuspsychje: I'm not sure how dependent the aero stuff is on that aero kernel, but I'm guessing it's there for a reason...
[04:00] <puff> lotuspsychje: Bigger picture, I'm trying to install ubuntu on an intel aero quadcopter, following these instructions:  https://github.com/intel-aero/meta-intel-aero/wiki/90-(References)-OS-user-Installation
[04:01] <puff> lotuspsychje: I got it working once, then reinstalled to the stock yocto that the aero comes with.  Then tried to install ubuntu again, but after getting to the end of the install and clicknig reboot the USB mouse and keyboard didn't work.
[04:02] <puff> lotuspsychje: pragmaticenigma found this bug, which seems to be the answer https://github.com/intel-aero/meta-intel-aero/issues/363
[04:03] <lotus|NUC> puff: can that device not be installed with a more recent point release? there's 16.04.6 now
[04:03] <puff> lotuspsychje: long story short, 16.04.3 has two kernel versions, 4.10 and 4.15, and it was booting 4.15 and the fix was to force it to boot 4.10.  Which I did.  Then I followed the rest of the steps, installing various dependencies and then stuff from the intel aero PPA, and it all appeared to go smoothly, but when I undid the /etc/default/grub GRUB_DEFAULT setting it went back to 4.15.  When I set it to the intel aero kernel from the
[04:03] <puff> PPA, it doesn't come up with the wifi hotspot and the networkmanager GUI doesn't even list wifi.
[04:04] <lotus|NUC> puff: the problem now is we cant go file bugs on outdated kernels or point releases
[04:04] <puff> lotuspsychje: There's a special intel aero kernel for that version of 16.0.3.  I actually tried 16.04.05 and 16.04.06 but that was before we figured out the kernel problem, so the USB mouse & keyboard didn't work on those either.
[04:05] <puff> lotus|NUC: My current hypothesis, such as it is, is that messing with the grub config tripped up the aero package installs somehow.
[04:05] <lotus|NUC> puff: i surely would consider filing a bug on that, on 16.04.6
[04:06] <puff> lotus|NUC: So I'm thinking, a) try to apt remove purge the packages and then reinstall them, and if that doesn't work b) try reinstalling 16.04.3 from scratch, this time not messing with the grub configs and just using the grub boot menu to pick 4.10, then install the aero packages and let the rest happen by the defaults.
[04:08] <lotus|NUC> puff: sure you can try, but the way i see it, keeping your device on .3 gives you security risks and unwanted behaviour once you connect to the internet
[04:09] <lotus|NUC> puff: when filing a bug on .6 might give light on whats actually wrong there
[04:10] <puff> lotus|NUC: Unless you can convince intel to update their support, there's not much I can do.
[04:10] <lotus|NUC> puff: another problem is those intel ppa's we cannot support either
[04:10] <puff> Right.
[04:11] <puff> My point is, Intel has me stuck with 16.04.3, I'm just trying to make this $1500 quadcopter work.
[04:11] <lotus|NUC> puff: but without the ppa's, your device doesnt work by default, its an ubuntu bug right
[04:11] <puff> I never said it's an ubuntu bug (though the USB mouse and keyboard thing might be)
[04:11] <puff> I'm just trying to fix this.
[04:12] <lotus|NUC> puff: hence why to test it on default 16.04.6 or 18.04.2 to see if it doesnt work by default
[04:13] <lotus|NUC> puff: if nobody ever files a bug on weird devices, devs will also never notice what to adapt, agree?
[04:13] <puff> What are the odds that there's some sort of weird conflict between the intel aero kernel and 16.04.6?
[04:13] <puff> I'll definitely try 16.04.6, after I finish trying 16.04.3.
[04:14] <lotus|NUC> puff: that would be great, then the devs would have to be creative
[04:14] <puff> hey, looks like the purge may have fixed it, though I had to manually choose the aero kernel at the grub menu.
[04:14] <puff> Cool, okay... so now I'm going to run the network tests that were the whole reason I'm doing this to begin with.
[04:15] <lotus|NUC> kk good luck
[04:15] <puff> Thanks, goodnight, I'm going to start the test then watch a little TV to relax, then hit the sack.  I'll try 16.04.6 tomorrow.
[04:15] <lotus|NUC> great
[05:31] <tertl3> #installgentoo
[05:57] <neure> Hi
[05:58] <neure> how do I debug computer hanging shortly after booting and logging to desktop?
[06:00] <neure> back.. it happened again
[06:02] <Bashing-om> nemith_: Any hints in the .xsession-errors file in your home ?
[06:07] <_doxker_zero> are you sure the lag is due to 'GUI' (desktop) load up only  ?
[06:25] <TvOnTheRadio> k
[06:25] <TvOnTheRadio> sorry, accident
[06:26] <TvOnTheRadio> smbd.service - LSB: start Samba SMB/CIFS daemon (smbd) Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/smbd; bad; vendor preset: enabled) Drop-In: /etc/systemd/system/smbd.service.d └─override.conf Active: active (exited) since Wed 2019-07-24 00:52:30 CDT; 42s ago Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8) Process: 14150 ExecReload=/etc/init.d/smbd reload (code=exited, statu
[06:26] <TvOnTheRadio> s=0/SUCCESS)Jul 24 00:52:28 ControlCoNAS systemd[1]: Starting LSB: start Samba SMB/CIFS daemon (smbd)...Jul 24 00:52:30 ControlCoNAS systemd[1]: smbd.service: Unit cannot be reloaded because it is inactive.Jul 24 00:52:34 ControlCoNAS systemd[1]: Reloading LSB: start Samba SMB/CIFS daemon (smbd).Jul 24 00:52:34 ControlCoNAS smbd[5773]: * Reloading
[06:26] <TvOnTheRadio> /etc/samba/smb.conf smbdJul 24 00:52:34 ControlCoNAS smbd[5773]: ...done.Jul 24 00:52:3
[06:26] <TvOnTheRadio> Trying to figure out why smbd is in an exited stat every time I reboot this ubuntu 16.04 device. It can be resolved with a systemctl restart smbd. But systemctl reload smbd does not help.
[06:31] <_doxker_zero> check in syslogs '/var/log/syslog' or 'journalctl -fu smbd'
[06:32] <_doxker_zero> run 'journalctl -fu smbd'  in 1 terminal and restart smbd in another terminal, it will show the issue in logs.
[06:53] <narakrish>  Hello all, I'm observing cups service is consuming high memory usage. I'm on ubuntu 16.04. Any idea what could be the reason ?The memory keeps on increasing graduallyWithin few hours, it reaches 100%
[07:01] <narakrish> Has anyone faced similar cupsd behaviour ?
[07:13] <MonsieurBon> Hi
[07:15] <MonsieurBon> I have a Lenovo Thinkpad P52 with two hard drives. One has an encrypted Ubuntu installation, the other has a windows 10 which I'm not using. This morning I got a firmware upgrade notification in Ubuntu, which I successfully installed. However, it apparently also installed the windows boot manager and now I cannot boot into Ubuntu anymore. I removed the windows 10 drive now. How do I install grub, so I can boot ubuntu again?
[07:16] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: Do you have Live CD or USB?
[07:16] <guiverc> MonsieurBon, sorry i haven't used windows in decade+, but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows maybe helpful
[07:16] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, yes, I'm currently booted from it.
[07:19] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: In which drive do you have Ubuntu on? Check "sudo fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999"
[07:20] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, it's on /dev/nvme0n1 Should I try the boot-repair tool first?
[07:21] <EoflaOE> boot-repair should do everything necessary to restore grub.
[07:21] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, do I have to unlock and mount the encrypted os partition or is the /boot partition enough?
[07:22] <EoflaOE> I think you should unlock and mount, because it is encrypted.
[07:25] <Gargoyle> My guess is that multiple repeated messages like this one are not good - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hTpq99fJCr/.
[07:25] <Gargoyle> Can anyone help me dig a bit deeper? I've tried lspci but I can't see any device id's that match the ones in the error message!?
[07:26] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, I'll be back in a minute
[07:30] <FriendsNone> Hello. I need help with my internet connection
[07:31] <FriendsNone> I don't know how they setup the network here. But it works on Windows, but not on Ubuntu (19.04)
[07:31] <EoflaOE> FriendsNone: Just ask. What is your question?
[07:32] <Gargoyle> FriendsNone: Sounds like you will have to ask "they". Could be many different reasons.
[07:32] <FriendsNone> Well. I don't have any connections with "they"
[07:34] <FriendsNone> I did try the IPv4 config on Windows to Ubuntu. But nothing seems to be working
[07:35] <FriendsNone> I could link some that I've tried already but I'm on my phone currently
[07:36] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, boot-repair did not change anything, I think...
[07:36] <MonsieurBon> still cannot boot
[07:37] <FriendsNone> Just a quick note. I'm not an expert nor have any experience with networking. Would like to be guided step-by-step
[07:39] <Gargoyle> FriendsNone: First thing you are going to need is the network configuration params from whoever is running the network.
[07:39] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: I will find a solution. allow me few minutes.
[07:40] <FriendsNone> Let's just say that they wont talk to me about it
[07:42] <Gargoyle> FriendsNone: Let's just say you're not going to make it to step 2 then! If default auto configuration isn't working, then you are going to need their help!
[07:44] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: Are you on UEFI?
[07:44] <FriendsNone> I mean. Even if I asked. They either won't help me, or be dumbstruck at how little their knowledge about Linux
[07:45] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, yes
[07:45] <Gargoyle> FriendsNone: They don't need to know about Linux. They just need to tell you the network config settings.
[07:46] <FriendsNone> But still. They won't help me with it
[07:47] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: Can you try "sudo grub-install /dev/nvme0n1" and reboot to see if it works?
[07:48] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow'.
[07:48] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, I found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/831216/how-can-i-reinstall-grub-to-the-efi-partition Should I give it a try?
[07:50] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: First do you have all necessary partitions for the answer like EFI system partition?
[07:50] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, I think so, yes. I can see them in GParted
[07:51] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: And their identifications like /dev/nvme0n1?
[07:52] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, yes. They are /dev/nvme0n1p[1-3]
[07:52] <MonsieurBon> 1: EFI, 2: /boot, 3: /
[07:53] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, I think I will also have to mount /dev/nvme0n1p2 in /boot before mounting the efi partition, right?
[07:54] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: Yes, because the EFI partition is inside /boot
[07:54] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, Ok, I'll give it a go.
[07:54] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: Pastebin the results. Make sure to use correct partitions
[07:55] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, I'll do my best :D
[07:55] <FriendsNone> I'll just say this. The computer that I'm having trouble with the internet, has a working config on Windows.
[07:55] <FriendsNone> I don't know if that helps at all. But I'm just going to say that
[07:55] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: Always.
[07:58] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sJHtQ3zFXx/
[07:58] <MonsieurBon> I'll reboot
[08:01] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, I'm writing this from the booted system!
[08:01] <Gargoyle> Looks like my issue could be down to bad RAM. Removed 1 stick, and so far no error. Will have to wait and see though - it's been so intermittent!
[08:02] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: And did the Ubuntu boot entry appear in UEFI? Glad to get it working
[08:02] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, yes. There's still the Windows Boot Manager entry as well
[08:03] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: OK. Did this message "grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1. Check your device.map." reference your Windows installation? Or something else?
[08:04] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, No, that's the live disc
[08:04] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: OK.
[08:05] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, I removed the disk with Windows 10 since I'm not using this anyway
[08:05] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: OK.
[08:07] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, sudo ls /boot/efi/EFI shows a Microsoft entry
[08:08] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: Do you want to remove it?
[08:09] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, The windows boot manager? Yes, since there's no windows on my system
[08:09] <Gargoyle> brb
[08:10] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: Ok. Allow me a min to find a way to remove
[08:10] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, Don't bother. I'll do this another time, since I'm actually supposed to work atm :D
[08:13] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: OK.
[08:13] <Gargoyle> In other news... anyone wanna by 16GB of DDR4... going really cheap! ;-)
[08:14] <EoflaOE> Hi EriC^^
[08:14] <MonsieurBon> EoflaOE, thx for your help. Have a nice day (or evening, depending on where you are :-))
[08:15] <EoflaOE> MonsieurBon: You are welcome. I have day
[08:38] <teasd> Can someone explain to me where 25GB difference between Size and Avail come from?
[08:39] <teasd>  /dev/sdb1                  492G   73M  467G   1% /build
[08:40] <teasd> Or where the difference could come from....  Easier to read: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kPmrpR4h4k/
[08:45] <caroga> Hi all!
[08:46] <caroga> My laptop will freeze after being locked for some time. It just now happened, but I have nu clue how to debug this. ubuntu 18.04. Any ideas?
[08:49] <guiverc> teasd, if you create a file containing only a EOF character (ie. single byte), it takes up a block of disk space to store it; thus some wasted space  (if you were to manage blocks=1byte you'd waste loads more unless all files were tiny) ...
[08:51] <teasd> guiverc, there's nothing on it, though. Just the lost+found folder. I didn't create a file yet. Just the partition with fdisk and then ran `mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1`
[08:53] <Gargoyle> teasd: Filesystem overhead. Journal, etc.
[08:53] <teasd> Gargoyle: But 25G? That's a bit much, isn't it?
[08:54] <guiverc> teasd, when you create the file system you can give options to control some of those factors
[08:59] <Gargoyle> teasd: Try "df -H" :-)
[09:08] <emOne> does anyone run dedicated servrs on ubuntu or is debian better suited?
[09:09] <brianx> lots of people do both.  this being an ubuntu channel, expect ubuntu to be preferred.
[09:13] <brianx> lots of gratitude there.  oh well.
[09:17] <emOne> is ubuntu ok for dedicated servers?
[09:19] <dex1983> hi
[09:20] <emOne> hello
[09:22] <dex1983> What would the best method for creating a Linux Live CD which has no network devices someone has a clue?
[09:24] <ufk> is unity discontinued because ubuntu is back to gnome ?
[09:34] <brianx> i prefer to think ubuntu is back to gnome because unity is discontinued,  but tomato tomato.  as long as unity is gone, the world is a better place.
[09:39] <ufk> ahah
[09:40] <emOne> is there an irc chan for ubuntu server?
[09:40] <angryant> I recently jumped to 19.04 and have had a great time here so far. One thing though: Previously I had my ethernet connection set up to auto-connect my VPN, but this option seems to have been removed in 19.04? Internet searches has only revealed outdated guides on this topic.
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> emOne: #ubuntu-server
[09:42] <emOne> thank you lotuspsychje
[10:16] <ZaZaGX> hi
[10:22] <emOne> When will 19.04 get LTS ?
[10:23] <jeremy31> emOne: It won't, 20.04 will be the next LTS
[10:23] <emOne> is that due for april 2020?
[10:23] <jeremy31> emOne: Yes
[10:23] <jeremy31> !lts | emOne
[10:24] <emOne> is it possible to update from one LTS to the next with apt-get upgrade? Or are there issues?
[10:24] <jeremy31> emOne: The LTS version is always the .04 release in even numbered years
[10:24] <emOne> thank you
[10:25] <jeremy31> emOne: I don't remember the terminal command to upgrade version
[10:25] <emOne> I guess it will be apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[10:25] <emOne> something along those lines
[10:25] <ZaZaGX> yeah
[10:26] <ZaZaGX> sudo do-release-upgrade
[10:27] <jeremy31> emOne: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[10:27] <emOne> Does the machine need to be restarted after a distro upgrade?
[10:27] <emOne> or can it keep running?
[10:27] <ZaZaGX> yes it does. it updates the kernel
[10:28] <jeremy31> emOne: I am sure it needs a reboot
[10:28] <emOne> I will ask in ubuntu-server
[10:29] <emOne> because it is no big deal for ubuntu on desktops or laptops
[10:29] <emOne> but live servers shouldn't be restarted
[10:30] <emOne> Imagine all the minecraft servers crashing at the same time and a million angry and crying kids going after you for lost minecraft items ...
[10:31] <emOne> I honestly don'r remember having to reboot any linux distros because of updates
[10:32] <emOne> I am sure if the user interface is updated it just needs to reload the user environment but not the whole OS
[10:34] <M_aD> after a kernel update you need to reboot, that's the case on most if not all linux distros
[10:34] <emOne> Isn't that a bit of a problem if you are running a server?
[10:40] <Gargoyle> emOne: No. You have to plan it into your maintenance schedule. "live servers shouldn't be restarted" is a very bad policy to have.
[10:41] <tomreyn> emOne: i agree with what was said so far. also note there is https://ubuntu.com/livepatch
[10:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:52] <sfx2496> is there a way to trace where an script/pid is launched from?
[10:52] <caroga> My laptop freezes after being locked for some time. How would I start debugging this error after a reboot if it happens again? Running ubuntu 18.04
[10:57] <tomreyn> caroga: you could look at your previous system log using     journalctl -b -1
[10:57] <tomreyn> you could also share this with us using    journalctl -b -1 | pastebinit
[10:57] <tomreyn> !pastebinit
[10:58] <caroga> tomreyn: thanks. It happend like a few hours ago, would this still be in my journal ?
[10:59] <tomreyn> caroga: yes, on 18.04 journalctl keeps system logs for months, compressing them more intelligently so they consume less space.
[11:00] <caroga> thanks, I will take a look at it
[11:23] <caroga> tomreyn: I don't really see anything usefull in the records before the freeze
[11:24] <caroga> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BCsnGffBfh/
[11:26] <caroga> only thing related might be `Failed to set power save mode for output eDP-1: Permission denied`
[12:02] <tomreyn> caroga: so when you say it "freezes after being locked for some time", do you mean you activated the screen lock, then it freezes? or that it locks up by itself, but later reactivates, then freezes?
[12:03] <tomreyn> what's this hardware?
[12:03] <tomreyn> this is rather unusual:   DMI: Standard Standard/Standard, BIOS N.0.05 04/14/2018
[12:04] <caroga> tomreyn: let's say I leave my laptop because of a meeting. I lock it (WIN+L). I return after half an hour, the screen is on but black, keyboard lights are on, fans are spinning, but I can't do a thing.
[12:04] <tomreyn> okay, so screen lock, got it.
[12:05] <tomreyn> and you're setting acpi_osi=Linux explicitly, why?
[12:05] <caroga> In order for my fans to be spinning controlled, but this is unnecesarry
[12:06] <caroga> But this problem is also without acpi_osi setting
[12:07] <caroga> tomreyn: I happen ot have a meeting now. so i will check after it
[12:11] <tomreyn> yes, setting just acpi_osi=Linux probably has no effect at all, it just ensures that "Liunx" is one of the values used while finding a match.
[12:11] <tomreyn> (but it is the default value anyways)
[12:29] <ses1984> i'm not sure what happened, but i booted my desktop this morning and performance is orders of magnitude worse than it was yesterday, how would i begin troubleshooting
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> ses1984: details please
[12:29] <ses1984> it seems to boot in about the same of time, but after i login, it takes many minutes for the desktop to respond to input, and it does so slowly
[12:29] <ses1984> i'm on 18.04
[12:29] <ses1984> top doesn't show anything using a ton of cpu
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> ses1984: lets see if your graphics card driver loaded: pastebin sudo lshw -C video please
[12:30] <JimBuntu> ses1984, dmesg to pastebin
[12:30] <ses1984> it takes a couple hundred milliseconds for keystrokes to register in terminal, many minutes to launch firefox
[12:31] <ses1984> ok just a moment
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> ses1984: see also your: systemd-analyze critical-chain
[12:32] <JimBuntu> hundreds of milliseconds for keystrokes to register, I'm immediately thinking HDD failure. We will see though.
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> afternoon cfhowlett ; )
[12:41] <tomreyn> caroga: so the log shows a system going into deep suspend, and not coming back from there. you said the system did not actualyl suspend but was in a very busy state, with fans on full speed. this would happen if acpi communication between OS and mainboard (firmware) failed. this is usually a result of a buggy firmware. now your firmware seems to be special, maybe this is some coreboot fork or similar?
[12:43] <ses1984> lshw -C video http://sprunge.us/myaRRr
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> ses1984: wich driver in use please? nvidia-smi
[12:48] <ses1984> 396.54
[12:49] <ses1984> dmesg http://sprunge.us/RvLWZZ
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> ses1984: for your gtx card you might need a higher version mate, try the ubuntu graphics ppa
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | ses1984
[12:51] <ses1984> my intuition is that this isn't a graphics problem?
[12:51] <ses1984> why would a graphics problem make it take 5 minutes to launch firefox
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> ses1984: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[12:51] <ses1984> once firefox launched, graphics within are smooth
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> ses1984: i never claimed it was, i just trying to widen your options
[12:52] <ses1984> i appreciate that
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> ses1984: up to you, if you want to do the test
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> ses1984: your dmesg isnt showing ubuntu release and kernel, you not hiding that for us are you?
[12:53] <JimBuntu> lsb_release -a
[12:54] <JimBuntu> also ses1984, it seems you have a lot of virtual NICs. Is that on purpose or part of the issue?
[12:55] <ses1984> i piped dmesg straight to pastebin no filtering
[12:55] <ses1984> lsb_release -a 18.04.2
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> ses1984: lets see a paste of: uname -a && systemd-analyze critical-chain
[12:59] <ses1984> uname -a http://sprunge.us/zRpQLu
[12:59] <tomreyn> most of the lines of this part of this dmesg is virtual network interafces being detected and configured
[13:00] <tomreyn> this may be due to docker configuration issues.
[13:00] <ses1984> oh. oooohhh
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> ses1984: kernel -55 is out too, so update system aswell please
[13:00] <ses1984> last night i was working on parallelizing a test suite and i started a bunch of databases in docker
[13:01] <ses1984> the system seemed fine, but all those databases started on boot
[13:01] <tomreyn> you pointed this gun well well at your foot, sir.
[13:03] <ses1984> consider my foot obliterated
[13:04] <ses1984> i removed the containers, rebooted, system fine
[13:04] <JimBuntu> !cookie tomreyn
[13:04] <JimBuntu> !cookie | tomreyn
[13:06] <tomreyn> ses1984: three of your network mounts in /etc/fstab have a passno other than 0 set, that's not right.
[13:07]  * tomreyn passes the cookie to ubottu
[13:08] <tomreyn> !botsnack
[13:10] <ses1984> tomreyn: any more context on this?
[13:11] <ses1984> man fstab says "other file systems should have a fs_passno of 2"
[13:12] <ses1984> oh, zero, dont check, that's what i should do for network fs
[13:15] <ses1984> it's strange, if i restart the containers, and restart my test suite, i have one database running per physical core, i have two test workers per physical core, the system is almost completely loaded and feels almost completely responsive
[13:15] <ses1984> compared to, if those same databases are allowed to start on boot, the system is almost unusable, even with the dbs idle
[13:19] <tomreyn> ses1984: yes, passno 0 for network file systems
[13:55] <caroga> tomreyn: I have a custom build laptop, here are the details: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FSFnwrbQcN/
[14:11] <tomreyn> caroga: with an unbranded mainboard - i've never seen such before, interesting.
[14:12] <caroga> Yeah I thought this was an error of ubuntu not being able to read this from the MB, but the bios states the same.
[14:14] <tomreyn> caroga: i'd normally suggest you installa bios update. but i guess this can be difficult in this case.
[14:14] <caroga> You have no idea :P
[14:15] <luxbel> hello I already installed ubuntu 19.04
[14:15] <luxbel> still the image from my tv is blurred
[14:15] <caroga> I'm still in a fight with my supplier over that. He doesn't want to tell me where I can get the bios update from...
[14:16] <OerHeks>  UEFI: American Megatrends v: N.0.05 date: 04/14/2018 does not look bad
[14:18] <tomreyn> caroga: i thinkt he system is setup to suspend to disk (hibernate) to save power. don't suspend to disk but suspend to ram instead (or not at all).
[14:18] <tomreyn> you can also try this https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[14:19] <caroga> Are you saying I could tell it to suspend to mem instead of disk ? that's a setting?
[14:22] <caroga> tomreyn: I've looked at the script, looks good. Will try this as well.
[14:22] <caroga> Maybe this will solve my issues.
[14:27] <tomreyn> caroga: suspend to ram instead of to disk is probably a setting, i'm not sure where to set this, though. the gnome "settings" application has "power" and there you can only decide to "suspend" (or power down, or do nothing).
[14:43] <CoolerX> hi
[14:43] <CoolerX> so i got a bluetooth dongle for my desktop https://youtu.be/Qk_QzQGefzI
[14:44] <CoolerX> on Amazon it said that it supports Ubuntu 18.04
[14:44] <CoolerX> but the actual device packaging says that it supports Windows 98 through windows 10
[14:44] <CoolerX> Alls versions of windows
[14:45] <CoolerX> When i plugged it in, Bluetooth appeared in the settings but when i click turn on
[14:45] <CoolerX> it just looks like it is turning on but actually freezes
[14:46] <CoolerX> There is a disc that comes with the dongle, I think it contains the drivers
[14:46] <CoolerX> but I think those are the windows drivers
[14:47] <CoolerX> Help please
[14:48] <BluesKaj> install blueman
[14:49] <CoolerX> actually https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsBluetoothUsbAdapters#Unbranded
[14:49] <CoolerX> Bus 003 Device 004: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
[14:50] <CoolerX> hmm
[14:50] <thebishop> hi friends.  i have an HP Spectre X360 (gem cut model from late 2018). it seems like after a recent update suspend stopped working.  I've tried a variety of mainline kernel updates and none have resolved the issue.  can anyone recommend how to debug further?
[14:51] <CoolerX> So i got this following the instructions on that page
[14:51] <CoolerX> https://bpaste.net/raw/T0VP
[14:52] <OerHeks> CoolerX, so the device is connected and wroks, install blueman, that helped me with connection issues
[14:53] <OerHeks> !info blueman
[14:54] <sid21g> So I have a fresh Ubuntu 18.04 installation could anyone help me setting up AMD graphics driver? I have already blown the last installation trying the amdgpu pro drivers.
[14:54] <OerHeks> not cool to crosspost
[14:54] <OerHeks> sid21g, what amd card exactly?
[14:55] <uRock> sid21g, hardware specs?
[14:55] <CoolerX> OerHeks, no it isn't working https://bpaste.net/raw/o-b8
[14:55] <CoolerX> in bluetooth settings it still doesn't turn on
[14:55] <CoolerX> i will install blueman to see if that helps
[14:55] <OerHeks> try blueman ..
[14:56] <sid21g> OerHeks: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Topaz XT [Radeon R7 M260/M265 / M340/M360 / M440/M445] (rev 81)
[14:57] <CoolerX> there is also a software called bluetooth adapters in the software store
[14:57] <uRock> try blueman first
[14:57] <sid21g> OerHeks: So I have a fresh Ubuntu 18.04 installation could anyone help me setting up AMD graphics driver? I have already blown the last installation trying the amdgpu pro drivers.
[14:57] <sid21g> Excuse me if it wasnt supposed to be pasted here. I did so cause' it was just a line.
[14:57] <CoolerX> I installed it but it is refusing to open
[14:58] <CoolerX> on the system tray the bluetooth icon is there
[14:58] <CoolerX> but when i click "setup new device" or "adapters" it says "no adapters found"
[14:59] <CoolerX> why does it say that?
[14:59] <CoolerX> is it because it says "DOWN" in hciconfig? https://bpaste.net/raw/o-b8
[14:59] <OerHeks> sid21g, what is the output for:  sudo lshw -C video  # if it is the R7 m340, there is no amdgpu-pro ?
[15:01] <uRock> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/bluetooth-connect-device.html.en
[15:02] <sid21g> OerHeks: Are you sure thats the command?
[15:02] <sid21g> Hardware Lister (lshw) - B.02.18 it says
[15:03] <OerHeks> sid21g, command is oke, it takes a few seconds
[15:03] <OerHeks> like this https://askubuntu.com/questions/984466/install-amd-topaz-xt-radeon-r7-driver-on-ubuntu-17-10
[15:05] <uRock> sid21g, it should look something like this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FHqJ5DRtBN/
[15:06] <FrankOcean> Hello
[15:06] <sid21g> uRock: OerHeks: https://pastebin.com/U9QSiqdG
[15:06] <FrankOcean> Somehow my folder permissions have been all messed up
[15:06] <FrankOcean> And x server does not start
[15:06] <CoolerX> $ sudo hciconfig hci0 up
[15:06] <CoolerX> Can't init device hci0: Operation not supported (95)
[15:06] <CoolerX> $ sudo hciconfig hci0 reset
[15:06] <CoolerX> Can't init device hci0: Operation not supported (95)
[15:06] <FrankOcean> Is there a way to set home folder permissions to default
[15:06] <FrankOcean> ?
[15:07] <CoolerX> can someone who knows bluetooth or hciconfig please help?
[15:07] <lordcirth_> FrankOcean, depends, how much got messed up, and how?
[15:07] <sid21g> OerHeks: https://pastebin.com/U9QSiqdG
[15:08] <FrankOcean> lordcirth_, that happend itself, I just turned my laptop on and found out that all my home dir is empty
[15:08] <lordcirth_> FrankOcean, empty? That's not the same as permissions being broken
[15:09] <lordcirth_> FrankOcean, did you have home directory encryption enabled? Change your password recently?
[15:09] <FrankOcean> Yes, home is encrypted and password was changed
[15:10] <tomreyn> by you, recently, and before that things worked fineß
[15:10] <tomreyn> ?
[15:10] <lordcirth_> FrankOcean, then you need to use the restore key that it printed to fix the automatic decryption
[15:11] <lordcirth_> Or use your old password to unwrap it now
[15:16] <RivaalJugler> Hi there... Wondering if anyone can maybe explain or point me to resources that might explain how socket/ports/devices work in linux..
[15:18] <CoolerX> somebody please help me turn on this bluetooth dongle
[15:18] <CoolerX> sudo hciconfig hci0 up  just says operation not supported
[15:18] <lordcirth_> RivaalJugler, this is an introduction: https://linuxjourney.com/lesson/dev-directory
[15:18] <OerHeks> CoolerX, that happens when you crosspost, focus on ##linux
[15:19]  * OerHeks afk
[15:19] <CoolerX> OerHeks, well it is Ubuntu specific
[15:19] <CoolerX> or maybe not
[15:21] <tomreyn> sid21g: the amdgpu driver is most likely already loaded
[15:22] <sid21g> tomreyn: Thanks a lot for the response. Could you suggest why my system seems to be a little slow for a 8 GB ram?
[15:23] <tomreyn> sid21g: not with the data we have so far. what exactly seems slow, if you can poinpoint it?
[15:24] <sid21g> tomreyn: I understand. The basic UI functionality. For eg dragging and dropping, opening up a new tab, switching workspaces, maximising minimising windows
[15:28] <tomreyn> sid21g: okay this sounds like graphics, maybe also storage. can you reboot, then post     journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:29] <sid21g> Ah I understand what you are suggesting, let me do that.
[15:34] <sid21g> https://termbin.com/g51f this is the output to the journalctl command
[15:36] <tomreyn> sid21g: ok, i'm looking, give me a few minutes
[15:36] <lafleurdubien_> How can I update libebml to 1.3.6+ on 18.04 bionic to  mitigate the risk of VLC vulnerability https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/22474#comment:21
[15:37] <sid21g> tomreyn: `AMD IOMMUv2 functionality not available on this system`
[15:37] <sid21g> tomreyn: Thanks, mate!
[15:38] <sid21g> lafleurdubien_: VLC's twitter was lit today!
[15:38] <sid21g> lafleurdubien_: Does'nt it say issue closed?  [closed defect (fixed)]
[15:40] <lafleurdubien_> Their "fix" is to blame 18.04 for having libebml version 1.3.5 in the default repo. VLC's solution is that everyone upgrade from 18.04 to 19.04 to fix it https://twitter.com/videolan/status/1153965971012562944
[15:43] <tomreyn> sid21g: there is a memory allocation issues: "mtrr_cleanup: can not find optimal value" "please specify mtrr_gran_size/mtrr_chunk_size" - this article explains how to work around this (which is usually a mainboard firmware issue): http://my-fuzzy-logic.de/blog/index.php?/archives/41-Solving-linux-MTRR-problems.html
[15:43] <tomreyn> sid21g: an easier approach may be to look for a mainboard firmware upgrade
[15:43] <OerHeks> lafleurdubien_, or install the snap
[15:44] <OerHeks> https://snapcraft.io/vlc
[15:44] <tomreyn> sid21g: you have an LENOVO 80NT/Lenovo ideapad 5, BIOS CFCN23WW(V1.05) 01/27/2016
[15:46] <tomreyn> sid21g: latest firmware is version CFCN26WW: https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/de/en/products/LAPTOPS-AND-NETBOOKS/500-SERIES/500-15ISK/80NT/downloads/DS105242
[15:47] <tomreyn> (V1.08)
[15:49] <sid21g> tomreyn: How should I go about it? Update to the latest firmwave and then work around the firmware issue or as I believe the first will fix the second?
[15:50] <sid21g> lafleurdubien_: if there is a dependency outside then it should be okay to close it, but I really thought it stand fixed in the overall terms.
[15:51] <tomreyn> sid21g: well the idea of upgrading the firmware would be that it has fixes which were not present in the firmware version you have now.
[15:51] <sid21g> tomreyn: got it! Also the package is a Windows executable
[15:52] <tomreyn> sid21g: but that's something you should verify after upgrading. there are aslo acpi issues regarding CPU tables, so a firmware upgrade seems like a really good idea.
[15:52] <tomreyn> sid21g: i don't have a way to convert windows executables into native linux ones, i'm afraid.
[15:53] <sid21g> tomreyn: In that case as I have dual boot I should simply go there and run the file
[15:54] <tomreyn> sid21g: that's probably a good approach then, yes
[15:55] <sid21g> tomreyn: Hopefully, maybe after installing the exe journalctl would really narrow it down
[15:55] <tomreyn> sid21g: good luck, ping me when you got a new journal log after the firmware upgrade.
[15:56] <sid21g> tomreyn: I definitely will.
[15:57] <sid21g> Is there a way to keep Konversation IRC connected? I always have to add the IRC groups and chat history is lost too.
[15:58] <tomreyn> sid21g: if it's running on the same computer, you wont be able to keep it connected while you're rebooting
[15:58] <sid21g> (y)
[15:58] <tomreyn> sid21g: but it may be able to restore logs from the past conversation.
[15:58] <sid21g> Generic question
[15:59] <sid21g> Ok let me play around
[15:59] <tomreyn> i'm not really into konversation.
[15:59] <tomreyn> maybe ask in #konversation (i think it exists here on freenode) or in #kubuntu
[16:00] <sid21g> Thank you I think it does exist
[16:01] <AlbertoP> hello, is the phpMyAdmin package maintained? It looks like it is stuck to an old (eol'd) version.
[16:05] <lafleurdubien_> sid21g: definitely not fixed in overall terms. only workaround available on 18.04 is to apt remove vlc and install the snap
[16:07] <tomreyn> AlbertoP: if the ubuntu version is not EOL, then it has community support.
[16:07] <tomreyn> you didn't specifiy which ubuntu version of package version you'Re inquiring about
[16:08] <AlbertoP> tomreyn, they all have the same version from 16.04 to 19.04 ship 4.6.6-5
[16:08] <AlbertoP> I am looking at the LTS
[16:09] <tomreyn> !info phpymadmin bionic
[16:09] <tomreyn> !info phpmyadmin bionic
[16:09] <tomreyn> component universe -> community support
[16:10] <AlbertoP> meaning someone is volunteering to package it?
[16:10] <tomreyn> meaning anyone can
[16:11] <AlbertoP> yes I get that, just a bit puzzled because it's a widely used server component and the shipped version is from 2017.
[16:11] <tomreyn> !latest | AlbertoP
[16:11] <AlbertoP> well that's not the point: this package has not been patched at all
[16:12] <AlbertoP> anyway, thanks for the info
[16:12] <tomreyn> which serious security vulnerabilities is it affected by then?
[16:14] <vadique> hi, I installed VCMI, but it can't launch: $ vcmi.vcmilauncher
[16:14] <vadique> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[16:14] <tomreyn> AlbertoP: if you don't know, maybe take a look at those listed on the bottom https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/phpmyadmin.html
[16:14] <vadique> $ vcmi.vcmiclient
[16:14] <vadique> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[16:14] <tomreyn> vadique: how did you install it, where from?
[16:15] <vadique> tomreyn, disco (19.04) repository, via "ubuntu software" point-and-click pplication
[16:16] <AlbertoP> tomreyn, my point isn't to argue. It is to gather info because I am not familiar with ubuntu policies. I just said it is surprising an almost 3-years-old version is shipped, that's it.
[16:16] <tomreyn> !info vcmi eoan
[16:17] <tomreyn> AlbertoP: that's cool. i understand, and i'm trying to help by providing a link to the security tracker
[16:18] <tomreyn> AlbertoP: you could file a bug against it to have a newer version from debian synched to ubuntu
[16:19] <tomreyn> !bug | vadique: you could file a bug against it
[16:21] <tomreyn> AlbertoP: the reason i asked about "serious" (criticality) is that if there is a bug at this level, it may be possible to convince a security team member to handle it if no volunteer is available to do it.
[16:22] <AlbertoP> tomreyn, essentially a couple of issues are serious. The others are cross-site scripting issues, which require the user to lack of care (not that it does not happen).
[16:23] <AlbertoP> I guess the point is, the current version is unmaintained. The phpMyAdmin devs eol-ed it on April 1st, 2017... https://www.phpmyadmin.net/downloads/ (bottom)
[16:23] <tomreyn> AlbertoP: i suggest you send an email to security@ubuntu.com and sum those up and ask whether they can help.
[16:24] <AlbertoP> ok
[16:24] <uRock> phpmyadmin isn't available in Debian Buster's repos. Have to install from source, from what I am seeing. https://computingforgeeks.com/install-phpmyadmin-with-apache-on-debian-10-buster/
[16:25] <uRock> Package phpmyadmin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[16:25] <uRock> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[16:25] <uRock> is only available from another source
[16:26] <tomreyn> https://tracker.debian.org/news/1021625/phpmyadmin-removed-from-testing/
[16:27] <vadique> tomreyn, "If an application crashes, what typically happens is Apport will display a window noting it is collecting information about the crash: " -- but I have no such tool
[16:27] <tomreyn> right, it was removed off debian releases (except for oldoldstable, oldstable, sid) https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=phpmyadmin and should probably be removed off ubuntu then as well.
[16:27] <vadique> or it ignores vcmi
[16:27] <tomreyn> vadique: your syslog / journalctl -b   should tell
[16:28] <tomreyn> AlbertoP: so it's good you pointed this out.
[16:29] <hggdh> also, for phpmydamin, see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=916310
[16:29] <vadique> tomreyn, like this? "Jol 24 19:28:49 VivoBook kernel: traps: desktop-launch[8562] general protection fault ip:7fda32a2af96 sp:7fff6b0a8c98 error:0 in ld-2.23.so[7fda32a13000+26000]"
[16:29] <tomreyn> vadique: more like lines which say whoopsie:  after this
[16:29] <uRock> I'd install the latest from source, but that's me. I'm not a web admin.
[16:30] <vadique> tomreyn, that's the last one
[16:30] <AlbertoP> that's what I did, but it's a bit of a pain if you have several servers ^^
[16:30] <tomreyn> vadique: is whoopsie running then?
[16:30] <vadique> tomreyn, how do I know
[16:31] <vadique> ps -A | grep whoopsie ?
[16:31] <tomreyn> vadique: ps auxw | grep whoopsie | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:31] <vadique>  1155 ?        00:00:00 whoopsie
[16:31] <tomreyn> yes
[16:32] <tomreyn> maybe you have chosen not to submit crashes
[16:32] <tomreyn> settings -> provacy
[16:32] <vadique> tomreyn, maybe I wasn't asked
[16:33] <vadique> "send reports to canonical" -- yes
[16:33] <vadique> "show a dialog for each report ..."
[16:34] <vadique> left it as is
[16:34] <tomreyn> hmm then i guess it doesn't work for some reason.
[16:34] <tomreyn> you could file a bug report
[16:34] <vadique> tomreyn, against what? vcmi?
[16:34] <tomreyn> that and whoopsie
[16:35] <dybt> Hey. I've been having a problem with git failing when I try to clone a repositories over a certain size (error: RPC failed; curl 56 GnuTLS recv error (-9): Error decoding the received TLS packet). When I try the same on a fresh docker container with ubuntu 1904 it works fine however, so I've thinking its possibly a discrepency between package versi
[16:35] <dybt> ons. Is there any easy way to check whether any dependencies of git (or more likely dependencies of libgnutls) are being contrained to a certain version by another package?
[16:35] <vadique> /etc/default/apport has 1
[16:35] <tomreyn> vadique: what'S the output of    cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
[16:36] <vadique> tomreyn, |/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c %d %P
[16:36] <tomreyn> vadique: anything about it in /var/log/apport.log ?
[16:37] <vadique> tomreyn, nine messages like "ERROR: apport (pid 8685) Wed Jul 24 19:30:25 2019: host pid 8637 crashed in a separate mount namespace, ignoring"
[16:39] <tomreyn> vadique: hmm, i'm not sure what the 'separte mount namespace' refers to, are you using containers, like lxc or docker, or did you not install the debian package via apt but a snap?
[16:40] <vadique> tomreyn, it's pretty fresh ubuntu 19.04, everything I installed like xchat and vlc were via ubuntu software
[16:40] <tomreyn> vadique: do you know what "desktop-launch" is?
[16:40] <vadique> nope
[16:40] <vadique> ah, yesterday I did dist-upgrade from console
[16:41] <tomreyn> this only lists some themes https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=disco&arch=any&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=desktop-launch
[16:41] <tomreyn> what's the output of    dpkg -S desktop-launch
[16:42] <vadique> tomreyn, "no path found matching ..."
[16:42] <tomreyn> vadique: and yet you had "Jol 24 19:28:49 VivoBook kernel: traps: desktop-launch[8562] " - maybe it's from a snap then.
[16:43] <tomreyn> or some unpackaged software you installed?
[16:43] <vadique> tomreyn, looks like it's some part of vcmi
[16:44] <tomreyn> vadique: hmm then it should have been listed on the page i linked
[16:45] <tomreyn> vadique: no "desktop-launch" here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/amd64/vcmi/filelist
[16:45] <tomreyn> vadique: did you read the package description and do as it explains before you ran vmci?
[16:46] <tomreyn> apt show vcmi
[16:47] <vadique> tomreyn, but there's no vcmibuilder
[16:48] <tomreyn> vadique: first file listed on https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/amd64/vcmi/filelist
[16:48] <CoolerX> how do you add yourself to a group?
[16:48] <tomreyn> vadique: sorry, wrong ubuntu release, look at this https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/amd64/vcmi/filelist
[16:49] <SwedeMike> CoolerX: the command is called "addgroup"
[16:49] <CoolerX> $ sudo usermod -a -G vboxusers user        doesn't give any output but when i do $ groups  I still haven't been added to the group vboxusers
[16:49] <vadique> tomreyn, hmm, but I have nothing about vcmi in /usr/games
[16:49] <leftyfb> CoolerX: log out an back in
[16:50] <CoolerX> leftyfb, oh
[16:50] <vadique> hmm /snap/vcmi/350/game/vcmibuilder
[16:51] <tomreyn> vadique: so... i guess you did install the snap
[16:51] <vadique> tomreyn, what is such beast? I just clicked in "ubuntu software"
[16:52] <vadique> installing via apt-get would be better?
[16:53] <tomreyn> vadique: i don't know what would be better, you choose.
[16:53] <tomreyn> "ubuntu software" can install both
[16:54] <tomreyn> use synaptic if you want a GUI to only install apt packages.
[16:54] <tomreyn> or just apt / apt-get
[16:54] <tomreyn> !snap
[16:54] <vadique> tomreyn, and what are these "snaps" then?
[16:54] <tomreyn> !apt
[16:54] <tomreyn> ubottu just told you
[16:54] <vadique> yeah I see
[16:55] <vadique> wow, apt-get installed one works
[16:56] <tomreyn> and this one even got peer review
[16:57] <vadique> so I have two of them now... is it okay to remove the one from "ubuntu software"?
[16:57] <tomreyn> you do not need to keep both to use the software
[16:58] <Slumlord_> hello, install via usb freezes after red screen appears of install of ubuntu 18.04.2 lts
[16:58] <Slumlord_> Any ideas or suggestions what I am doing wrong?
[16:58] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: nvidia graphics?
[16:58] <Slumlord_> no
[16:59] <vadique> tomreyn, I mean, will removal of the first harm the recond?
[16:59] <Slumlord_> onboard graphics
[16:59] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: which cpu, graphics chipset?
[16:59] <Slumlord_> intel
[16:59] <tomreyn> vadique: no, i just answered this
[16:59] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: both?
[17:00] <Slumlord_> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 3e92
[17:00] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: how did you retrieve this information?
[17:01] <Slumlord_> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz
[17:01] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: did you actually finish the installation, and now can't boot to the graphical desktop, or is the installer already failing?
[17:02] <Slumlord_> it never started
[17:02] <Slumlord_> hangs up after first ubuntu screen
[17:02] <Slumlord_> hangs on red screen
[17:02] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: did you verify the iso file downloaded properly and fully by checking its checksum?
[17:02] <Slumlord_> it starts and red screen comes up
[17:03] <Slumlord_> then nothjing
[17:03] <Slumlord_> no
[17:03] <Slumlord_> fully yes
[17:04] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: which software did you use to create the installer media, and which media type is it (usb storage, cd-rom, ...)?
[17:04] <Slumlord_> usb stick
[17:04] <Slumlord_> usb image write
[17:04] <Slumlord_> usb image writer
[17:04] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: on ubuntu?
[17:05] <Slumlord_> voyager which uses ubuntu
[17:05] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: do you still have this 'voyager' installed?
[17:05] <Slumlord_> yes
[17:07] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: there is a utility called balena etcher which can verify anj iso file was properly written to a usb stick, it can be installe don ubuntu and many other operating systems. it's a large 300 MB download, though. if that's not an issue then i suggest you re-create the installer usb stick using it.
[17:07] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: before you do so, though, make sure that you match the downloaded iso file against its checksum
[17:07] <Slumlord_> ok
[17:07] <tomreyn> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu
[17:07] <Slumlord_> thank you
[17:08] <dybt> Hey. I've been having a problem with git failing when I try to clone a repositories over a certain size (error: RPC failed; curl 56 GnuTLS recv error (-9): Error decoding the received TLS packet). When I try the same on a fresh docker container with ubuntu 1904 it works fine however, so I've thinking its possibly a discrepency between package versi
[17:08] <dybt> ons. Is there any easy way to check whether any dependencies of git (or more likely dependencies of libgnutls) are being contrained to a certain version by another package?
[17:08] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: you're welcome. should this issue remain, please come back for more assistence
[17:09] <tomreyn> dybt: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages can help you identify packages and package versions you shouldn't have installed which can break the apt dependency resolver
[17:09] <tomreyn> dybt: whch ubuntu release are you inquiring about there?
[17:10] <dybt> 19.04
[17:10] <sid21g> tomreyn: I wasnt able to update the firmware
[17:10] <sid21g> said, requires elevation
[17:11] <sid21g> https://termbin.com/7z36
[17:11] <sid21g> tomreyn: Do you see any changes?
[17:11] <tomreyn> dybt: you can also (manually) compare package versions against https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/allpackages
[17:11] <sid21g> let me detect my system from Lenovo site maybe?
[17:13] <tomreyn> sid21g: "requires elevation" means you need to run this process with elevated permissions, i.e. as Administrator. Move over to ##windows for windows support.
[17:13] <sid21g> tomreyn: got it
[17:14] <tomreyn> "detect my system from Lenovo site" may also work after installing a lot of privacy invasive software, i guess.
[17:15] <dybt> tomreyn: I'll have a go with foreign_packages thanks. Though I don't think theres any dependency conflict or anything - it seems to be an ongoing issue (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git/+bug/1766962) but the fact it works fine in a fresh docker instance makes me think theres something I've installed that effected
[17:15] <sid21g> tomreyn: hahaha that was gem
[17:16] <tomreyn> dybt: you can run this and port the url returned if you'd like a quick review of your apt repositories:    sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[17:18] <c0nker> ok I think this is a serious issue but im not sure about it
[17:19] <c0nker> it seems like nvidia-driver-390 has no libGL.so file to go with it
[17:20] <c0nker> Im on bionic 18.04 LTS, just installed nvidia-drivers
[17:21] <Slumlord_> tomreyn
[17:21] <Slumlord_> https://postimg.cc/8F9vGh14
[17:21] <Slumlord_> gets stuck on that screen
[17:21] <Slumlord_> does nothing
[17:22] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: i can confirm this.
[17:22] <Slumlord_> this a bug?
[17:22] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: so you created a new usb stick after checking the iso checksum?
[17:23] <Slumlord_> yes
[17:23] <c0nker> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tzGwwYSYFt/ the result of glxinfo
[17:23] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: and what was the result of comparing the checksums?
[17:23] <c0nker> Mesa is NOT installed, since I want to use the Nvidia drivers for this
[17:23] <Slumlord_> everything seems fine
[17:24] <c0nker> compiling a simple test program https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mvrFDSHbBm/
[17:26] <tomreyn> Slumlord_: switch to a !tty and login there, then run dmesg | tail and describe what you see
[17:26] <tomreyn> !tty | Slumlord_
[17:27] <tomreyn> login with username "ubuntu", empty password
[17:27] <c0nker> output of locate libGL.so https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V8P6kqBnp9/
[17:27] <Slumlord_> hmm
[17:29] <tomreyn> c0nker: why don't you use /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 ?
[17:29] <tomreyn> i don't think nvidia has to provide its own
[17:30] <c0nker> I thought apt created the appropiate symbolic links
[17:30] <c0nker> the fact that there is no symbolic link is what throws me off
[17:33] <wondows> on macOS you can press command+left/right arrow to move the cursor to the beginning/end of the line in any text editor. I such thing possible on Ubuntu?
[17:33] <Vixtron> Yes?
[17:33] <Vixtron> ctrl + arrow_left
[17:33] <Habbie> Vixtron, that's per word
[17:33] <wondows> ._.
[17:34] <dybt> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/x7wd is the output. I can try to remove the couple of PPAs listed if you think that might be affecting it
[17:34] <Habbie> wondows, try fn-left/right
[17:34] <wondows> Habbie it does nothing
[17:35] <tomreyn> wondows: ctrl-a, ctrl-e on a terminal, may also work in some editors.
[17:35] <Habbie> tomreyn, i've found that it works in way fewer places than on macos!
[17:36] <sid21g> tomreyn: Hello Tom, I was able to update the firmware, this is how it stands https://termbin.com/t1nu
[17:36] <tomreyn> dybt: i haven't checked those two PPAs but other than that this doesn'T look bad at all. how much / what did foreign_packages report?
[17:37] <tomreyn> wondows: also pos1 + end keys, if you have those.
[17:37] <jharttech> wondows: in vim its fn + left/right for begining or end of line
[17:39] <ioria> sid21g, i guess this is not good -> mtrr_cleanup: can not find optimal value ; but no idea how it could really affects the system
[17:39] <wondows> "pos1 + end keys"  don't know what that is
[17:39] <wondows> I don't use vim
[17:39] <tomreyn> sid21g: right, this is BIOS CFCN26WW(V1.08) 07/09/2018 now. the mtrr and ACPI issues remain, though.
 sid21g: there is a memory allocation issues: "mtrr_cleanup: can not find optimal value" "please specify mtrr_gran_size/mtrr_chunk_size" - this article explains how to work around this (which is usually a mainboard firmware issue): http://my-fuzzy-logic.de/blog/index.php?/archives/41-Solving-linux-MTRR-problems.html
[17:40] <sid21g> tomreyn: does this look safe to apply?
[17:41] <tomreyn> sid21g: yes, the log actually says you should specify it. about the ACPI issues, you can do what's discussed here ttps://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[17:41] <tomreyn> that's https:// of course.
[17:41] <dybt> tomreyn: The output was just "[ No available version in archive ] \ [ Newer than version in archive ]"
[17:42] <sid21g> tomreyn: I understand
[17:42] <sid21g> tomreyn: let me make the changes
[17:42] <tomreyn> dybt: so it's a pretty clean system, my guess there was entirely wrong, and it must be a different issue.
[17:42] <wondows> I wish that was possible in any text field, including anything in a browser, much like in macOS
[17:43] <wondows> macOS usability can't be beaten :P
[17:45] <sid21g> tomreyn: This 'gunzip < /proc/config.gz  | grep -i MTRR_SANITIZER' says `/proc/config.gz: No such file or directory`
[17:45] <dybt> I was looking for something that could print the full dependency tree for git with the installed version of each package, so I could check the diff between my installation and the one on the docker instance to see if theres a different version anywhere
[17:46] <dybt> apt-rdepends seems to be almost what I want but it doesn't seem to be able to print the current installed version number
[17:46] <tomreyn> sid21g: on ubuntu kernel configus are at /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[17:46] <Vixtron> I find window management unusable on macOS
[17:46] <Vixtron> And I hate it
[17:49] <tomreyn> dybt: i'm not aware of a better utility than apt-rdepends and apt-cache policy for this purpose, i'm afraid.
[17:52] <sid21g> CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER=y
[17:52] <sid21g> CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_ENABLE_DEFAULT=1
[17:52] <sid21g> CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_SPARE_REG_NR_DEFAULT=1
[17:52] <sid21g> sorry that happened by mistake
[17:52] <dybt> no worries, thanks for the help anyway tomreyn!
[17:52] <sid21g> tomreyn: My values are already set to what the article is suggesting
[17:52] <tomreyn> sid21g: no, you have no values set.
[17:53] <tomreyn> sid21g: can you post  cat /proc/mtrr | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:53] <tomreyn> dybt: :-/ worst case subscribe to the bug report and tag it 'metoo' (top left)
[17:54] <tomreyn> not tag, but you can flag it
[17:54] <sid21g> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/5xuv
[18:02] <tomreyn> sid21g: edit /etc/default/grub.conf and append this to the end of the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="..." line, before the trailing double quote:
[18:03] <tomreyn>  enable_mtrr_cleanup mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1 mtrr_gran_size=128M mtrr_chunk_size=128M
[18:03] <mdemo> is there a way to list all my installed packages that come from universe ?
[18:03] <tomreyn> sid21g: you can add these two lines on top to remind yourself what you did and why:
[18:04] <tomreyn> # http://my-fuzzy-logic.de/blog/index.php?/archives/41-Solving-linux-MTRR-problems.html
[18:04] <tomreyn> # 6 registers, loose 90 MB RAM
[18:04] <ioria> mdemo, dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | grep -B 5 multiverse
[18:04] <ioria> mdemo, dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | grep -B 5 universe
[18:05] <mdemo> cool, ioria, that would have taken me a bit to come up with on my own
[18:05] <ioria> nah
[18:05] <tomreyn> sid21g: after editing (via sudo) the file and saving it, run   sudo update-grub    and reboot, then post    journalctl -b | nc t3ermbin.com 9999     again so we can look at the acpi issue.
[18:06] <tomreyn> that's (fixing typo):   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:06] <awilkins> What are the chances of harfbuzz getting updated to 1.7.7 in 18.04? It's presently at 1.7.2 (asking because I'd like to build Oni 2 and it's choking on that one version).
[18:06] <awilkins> Am I better off manually grabbing the deb of 1.8.x from Cosmic?
[18:06] <mdemo> wow mariadb is universe, I had no idea
[18:07] <sid21g> tomreyn: on it
[18:08] <mdemo> I got interested in how many packages I have from universe after reading about the VLC CVE debacle.
[18:09] <sid21g> tomreyn: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash enable_mtrr_cleanup mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1 mtrr_gran_size=128M mtrr_chunk_size=128M"
[18:10] <sid21g> this seems right?
[18:11] <sarnold> mdemo: libebml and vlc updates here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[18:12] <mdemo> oh yeah I don't have libebml or vlc on my home server, but it did get me thinking about what packages I've got installed at what levels of support
[18:12] <ioria> mdemo, ubuntu-support-status
[18:13] <mdemo> oh, that's useful
[18:13] <tomreyn> sid21g: yes
[18:15] <mdemo> scariest unsupported things I've got are probably php-fpm and mariadb-server
[18:15] <tomreyn> mdemo: use deborphan to clean up, and https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tomreyn/scripts/master/foreign_packages
[18:16] <sarnold> mdemo: otto from the mariadb team often provides us with packages to sponsor
[18:25] <tomreyn> mdemo: mariadb also provides an apt repository, but i do not know whether they backport patches.
[18:26] <mdemo> I think I'm comfortable with the risk for now, at least until 2021
[18:27] <mdemo> it's a home server, everything password protected behind nginx with one user (me)
[18:28] <mdemo> but when the time does come to migrate, I want to try to make better choices about packages
[18:29] <sid21g> tomreyn: Hello Tom! here's the output to journalctl https://termbin.com/t2r0
[18:30] <tomreyn> sid21g: nice, so your graphics should be fast now
[18:30] <tomreyn> well,. not fast, but no longer slow.
[18:34] <sid21g> tomreyn: haha! you get it so right
[18:36] <tomreyn> sid21g: now about the ACPI issues, i'm not sure those are solvable as i suggested, but it is worth a try. have you tried it, yet?
[18:37] <sid21g> I haven't
[18:38] <sid21g> Could you send the link for the same once again
[18:38] <sid21g> tomreyn:
 sid21g: yes, the log actually says you should specify it. about the ACPI issues, you can do what's discussed here https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[18:46] <hektic0> i just installed xubuntu on my main machine
[18:47] <EoflaOE> and the problem is?
[18:47] <sid21g> hektic0: congo
[18:55] <baalajimaestro> Hello
[18:56] <tomreyn> hi baalajimaestro
[18:58] <james_brown> i set up ssh on my ubuntu machine and i have disabled passwords in the config file.  However when trying to connect with putty from my windows machine it still requires me to enter a password.  Why is that?
[19:00] <tomreyn> james_brown: because you're not authenticating with another approach successfully.
[19:00] <lordcirth_> james_brown, please clarify exactly what you changed in the sshd_config
[19:05] <ua> are there some big differences between booting from livecd and system installed on disk ? i have 18.04 livecd which does start properly using pcie graphics but after installing it on disk it just wont boot with the very same graphic card but only with integrated card. ive tried setting GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT  = "nomodeset"  in /etc/default/grub and then running update-grub but that doesnt help.
[19:06] <lordcirth_> ua, what graphics card and kernel version?
[19:07] <ua> radeon 5570 default kernel 18.04 i think 4.15
[19:08] <ua> 18.04.1 *
[19:09] <ua> tho its not consumer hardware, its ibm server
[19:09] <tomreyn> install the pending updates
[19:09] <ua> ok
[19:09] <tomreyn> also consider the !hwe kernel
[19:09] <tomreyn> !hwe
[19:09] <tomreyn> + Xorg, if you use it.
[19:10] <ua> its fresh 18.04.1 install i havent changed anything whatsoever
[19:11] <ua> ok will do updates
[19:11] <analogist> networking question: what's the recommended way of setting ipv6.addr-gen-mode to stable_privacy instead of eui64 mac address in a cloud-init / netplan install of 18.04
[19:11] <tomreyn> 18.04.2 is current, and new installers are produced (and should be preferred) with every minor release.
[19:11] <tomreyn> ua: ^
[19:12] <tomreyn> !server | analogist
[19:12] <ua> ok then, thanks. i will install it tomorrow and see if disk install boots properly with pcie graphic card
[19:13] <ua> but still, what could be the reason that livecd does boot properly but not disk install
[19:14] <tomreyn> ua: different package versions is one possible reason. i think there are also some other minor differences between installer/live and readily installed systems.
[19:15] <ua> ok
[19:15] <tomreyn> ua: it does happen somewhat regularly that someone runs into this issue (mostly bit not only when they use nvidia hardware, i think).
[19:16] <tomreyn> *but
[19:16] <ua> ah okay, i was thinking that it might have something to do hardware being ibm server
[19:17] <ua> ok im running apt upgrade, I'll see if it boots after that eh
[19:18] <tomreyn> if you're using the desktop installer then i'm assuming this is amd64 hardware, right?
[19:18] <ua> yep
[19:19] <tomreyn> then i don't expect it to be due to ibm hardware
[19:19] <ua> ok then
[19:19] <tomreyn> can you say which hardware exactly? mostly out of interest.
[19:20] <ua> x3755 M3
[19:20] <tomreyn> *personal interest
[19:20] <ua> 48 x 2.2 opteron cores+64gb ram :)
[19:22] <tomreyn> and you're using this with a graphical desktop?
[19:23] <ua> yeah
[19:23] <tomreyn> i should have asked "why"
[19:25] <ua> i like them GUIs lol
[19:26] <ua> nah its mostly for virtualbox and running some parallel code
[19:26] <ua> i just want some opengl for it
[19:26] <ua> toy code mostly
[19:27] <tomreyn> https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/Intel-HD-Graphics-620-vs-Radeon-HD-5570-vs-Radeon-RX-580/3592vs80vs3736
[19:28] <ua> yeah its shitty 2010 card, i just need opengl and 2d acceleration lol
[19:28] <ua> for virtualbox
[19:30] <tomreyn> pretty much all desktops now use 3d acceleration features via compositing. gnome-shell is somewhat heavy on this. consider using a different graphical desktop if you also want to do application level acceleration.
[19:39] <xyz111> Hello, I was wondering if there is a lightweight diff GUI tool for Ubuntu? I am aware of Kompare, but I'm using Lubuntu - would I need to install KDE to use Kompare? Thanks :)
[19:39] <tomreyn> you'd probably need qt libraryies, which it will depends on.
[19:41] <xyz111> I guess I would have the qt libs, but I don't want it to trigger an entire KDE install somehow
[19:41] <tomreyn> there are also mgdiff, fldiff, xxdiff
[19:41] <xyz111> ah thanks
[19:41] <xyz111> I'll give them a try
[19:41] <xyz111> tomreyn: any one you can recommend?
[19:41] <tomreyn> xyz111: i've never used any of these, this may not be exactly what you'Re looking for, read the package descriptions first
[19:42] <xyz111> tomreyn: do they come with GUIs?
[19:43] <tomreyn> their descriptions mention "X" so i assume so
[19:44] <tomreyn> oh i missed to mention "meld" also
[19:45] <xyz111> tomreyn: meld wins fo rme!
[19:45] <xyz111> for me*
[19:46] <tomreyn> :)
[19:56] <ua> tomreyn, nope. after update alone it still doesnt work, then i added radeon.modeset=0 to grub and that doesnt work either
[19:57] <ua> ah and i cant even use shift for grub menu
[19:57] <OerHeks> did you run update-grub after that?
[19:58] <ua> yeah
[19:58] <OerHeks> oke, just checking.
[19:58] <tomreyn> ua: shift is when you bios boot. if you uefi boot, you need to hit escape repeatedly.
[19:59] <tomreyn> i don't know how you boot though.
[19:59] <xyz111> tomreyn: having used meld for a just a few minutes, meld is actually one of the best comparison tools I've used in a very long time. Now definitely part of my dev toolkit!
[19:59] <ua> it says uefi but looks like bios lol
[19:59] <tomreyn> echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[19:59] <ua> but shift worked in the fast
[19:59] <ua> the past
[19:59] <ua> brb
[20:01] <tomreyn> ua: i'll be gone for ~ an hour but feel free to post your system log after a fresh boot into the !HWE kernel (and HWE X):    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com
[20:02] <ua> ok
[20:02] <ua> tomreyn, thanks
[20:31] <B|ack0p> hi
[20:32] <guntbert> hello B|ack0p Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[20:33] <B|ack0p> not yet
[20:33] <B|ack0p> i am annoyed
[20:33] <B|ack0p> banned from ##windows and #freenode
[20:34] <B|ack0p> feeling upset
[20:34] <OerHeks> B|ack0p, this is not the channel to complain about that
[20:34] <B|ack0p> i know OerHeks
[20:35] <B|ack0p> hope i dont get banned in here too
[20:35] <B|ack0p> sorry just feeling upset
[20:35] <OerHeks> carefull, you might get a ban over this too, ubuntu support only.
[20:35] <emOne> how can I check recent connections to my server?
[20:35] <B|ack0p> ok OerHeks sorry i stop
[20:35] <B|ack0p> weird network here really..
[20:36] <guntbert> emOne: web server? Or more general?
[20:36] <OerHeks> emOne, depoends what service you run,Apache HTTP Server Logs /.
[20:36] <emOne> dedicated server
[20:36] <emOne> netstat -tupn
[20:36] <OerHeks> perhaps /var/log/apache2/access.log
[20:37] <emOne> I dont run apache
[20:37] <kenu> hi
[20:37] <emOne> there are so many IPs in thre I don't recognize
[20:38] <kenu> is it possible to override dhcp received DNSes in 18.04?
[20:38] <OerHeks> kenu, sure, you can have a static dns in networkmanager
[20:38] <OerHeks> and ip from dhcp
[20:39] <JimBuntu> emOne, catalina logs then? either way, probably in /var/log/something
[20:39] <emOne> thanks JimBuntu
[20:40] <kenu> I mean in ubuntu server, no X
[20:40] <OerHeks> kenu, then you want netplan, i guess
[20:40] <OerHeks> !netplan
[20:41] <emOne> hmm I have IPs from china and morroco
[20:41] <emOne> that are connected to my server
[20:41] <emOne> I dont understand
[20:47] <JimBuntu> emOne, not much to understand, various zombie systems out there, try to connect to anything they can.
[20:48] <lapion> hmm whenever I have a fixed local address set in nmapplet however as of recently route 169.254.0.0 gets added and I cannot remove it anymore
[20:50] <lapion> and it's not possible to ping the router.
[20:59] <guntbert> lapion: usually you get that address when the DHCP server does not answer - might be a cabling problem
[21:03] <lapion> guntbert, I have dhcp disabled only manual ip addresses
[21:07] <o0ze> lapion, pretty sure its not set fixed atm. does your fixed address show up in 'ip addr' at the intended interface ? fyi you are referencing an APIPA address at this moment which usually is assigned  when a DHCP was tried but failed.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address
[21:08] <o0ze> *DHCP request
[21:08] <lapion> o0ze, my fixed address shows up
[21:10] <o0ze> lapion, what does route show in relation to network segment of the fixed address ?
[21:11] <o0ze> 'ip route'
[21:11] <guntbert> lapion: one idea to see what is happening: look at the output of    nmcli
[21:14] <leftyfb> emOne: why is your machine publicly accessible?
[21:14] <leftyfb> emOne: and define "connected" via what port/service? What services are you running on this machine?
[21:20] <james_brown> i set my sshd_config file to PasswordAuthentication no
[21:22] <leftyfb> !who | james_brown
[21:22] <james_brown> i was asking you all
[21:22] <leftyfb> james_brown: you didn't ask a question
[21:23] <OerHeks> I read just a statement, no Question
[21:23] <james_brown> leftyfb so "Why is that?" is not a question?
[21:23] <leftyfb> james_brown: that is a question ... one you did not ask
[21:24] <james_brown> leftyfb james_brown  00:21:01
[21:24] <james_brown> leftyfb but anyways im not here to argue, just curious about this case
[21:24] <leftyfb> james_brown: Lets go back to 2.5 hours ago when you initially asked a question. What other authentication methods have you attempted to setup?
[21:25] <lapion> sorry I was gone for a couple of secs
[21:25] <lapion> oops minutes...
[21:26] <james_brown> leftyfb only key pair generated by puttygen
[21:26] <leftyfb> james_brown: ok, and has that worked at all at any point in time?
[21:27] <leftyfb> james_brown: ok, can you verify that the public key is setup on your server properly? Can you verify that the private key is setup properly on your client?
[21:27] <james_brown> leftyfb yes, i have saved the public key on the linux machine and the private key on the windows as a pkk
[21:27] <leftyfb> james_brown: was it ever working without a password at all?
[21:27] <james_brown> leftyfb and i am indeed able to connect without a pw when pageant is running
[21:27] <leftyfb> james_brown: ok, then the problem is solved
[21:28] <james_brown> leftyfb but as soon as i kill pageant and try to open a new connection, it will prompt with a pw
[21:28] <leftyfb> james_brown: correct, because there is no configured private key to authenticate with
[21:28] <leftyfb> james_brown: does it let you in with the correct password?
[21:28] <james_brown> leftyfb yes
[21:29] <leftyfb> james_brown: did you restart the server after making your change to the sshd_config?
[21:29] <james_brown> leftyfb what i thought is that if i configure sshd_config to disable pw authentication it should not prompt in any case
[21:29] <james_brown> leftyfb i did not
[21:29] <james_brown> leftyfb i will try rn
[21:29] <leftyfb> james_brown: by server, I mean the ssh service
[21:29] <james_brown> leftyfb i thought as much
[21:32] <james_brown> leftyfb ok it works as expected now! will remember to restart the service if i make config changes next time
[21:32] <james_brown> leftyfb thanks a bunch!
[21:32] <leftyfb> np
[21:32] <OerHeks> :-)
[21:36] <tomreyn> ua: any improvements?
[21:36] <lapion> so problem got solved by rebooting..
[21:36] <lapion> really annoying
[21:36] <ua> tomreyn, sadly no
[21:36] <lapion> allmost feels like the wind is blowing again
[21:37] <tomreyn> ua: what else did you try, which kernel and X are you running now?
[21:37] <ua> 4.18
[21:37] <ua> from hwe
[21:37] <tomreyn> ua: Xorg, too?
[21:37] <ua> yeah
[21:37] <ua> or at least ive installed it
[21:37] <ua> lol
[21:38] <ua> i have to go sleep, its almost midnight in here
[21:38] <tomreyn> ua: you'd need to reboot or restart some service (i actually forgot which, not just gdm, i think)
[21:39] <tomreyn> ua: ok, post a log the other day and repeat your issue then
[21:39] <cgi777> Is there a way to run a X server on an ubuntu on a remote VM?
[21:39] <ua> tomreyn, i think its something wrong with grub2 or that stupid radeon driver
[21:39] <cgi777> I am trying to run browsers headless
[21:39] <ua> tomreyn, "no ums support in radeon module"  thats only thing ive found in dmesg so far
[21:40] <ua> havent done that one >  journalctl -b | nc termbin.com
[21:40] <tomreyn> ua: when it gets stuck on the desktop background again, switch to a tty, login there and run    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999   to post your log
[21:40] <ua> ah the point is id doesnt get to the desktop or even ubuntu logo
[21:41] <tomreyn> ua: ums is user mode switching, you'd get this message if you booted with !nomodeset
[21:41] <ua> it doesnt*
[21:41] <ua> it looks like it crashes right on/after grub
[21:41] <ua> i cant even use shift to display grub menu
[21:41] <tomreyn> ua: so switching tty's just gives you a black screen without text?
[21:42] <ua> yes black screen but machine reboots after few seconds
[21:42] <tomreyn> ua: oh it reboots by itself?
[21:42] <ua> yes
[21:42] <tomreyn> that's new info
[21:43] <ua> sorry shoulda write it earlier
[21:43] <ua> should have written
[21:43] <ua> lol
[21:43] <ua> im thinking
[21:43] <tomreyn> then you need to make sure your hardware is generally in good shape. run a memtest overnight, cpu burn etc.
[21:43] <ua> could using livecd to boot installed system work?
[21:43] <ua> tomreyn, it works 100%
[21:44] <ua> ditto for graphic card
[21:44] <ua> it all works
[21:44] <ua> also everything just works when starting 18.04.1 as livecd
[21:44] <ua> its ridiculous
[21:44] <cliluw> Is there a tool like sha256sum for Blake2b?
[21:44] <tomreyn> you really should install ubuntu server. if you then still really want the graphical desktop running on this very system, then you can still install it.
[21:45] <tomreyn> ua: that was you can at least get proper logs from the installed system, install an ssh server, manage it remotely.
[21:45] <tomreyn> ua: ...and find out why it reboots on its own.
[21:45] <tomreyn> make sure the graphics card is properly powered, positioned and seated, too.
[21:46] <ua> emmm i dont need to do all that, it has very very weak onboard gpu and it does boot into wm over vga no problem
[21:46] <ua> srsly no problems with hardware whatsever
[21:46] <ua> it does work as a livecd
[21:46] <ua> full acceleration on radeon driver
[21:47] <ua> ah, also its not 5570 but 7350, i forgot which one was it
[21:47] <ua> 7350 is just 25W so no problem even on pcie x8
[21:48] <tomreyn> if the system reboots by itself then there is a serious issue.
[21:48] <ua> 19W *
[21:48] <ua> yeah but how could it be if it just works on livecd
[21:48] <ua> its not hardware thats for sure
[21:48] <tomreyn> that's what you need to find out, and that's why you need logs.
[21:49] <tomreyn> cliluw: python hashlib covers it
[21:49] <ua> yeah, gonna get em first thing tomorrow
[21:49] <ua> im soo sleepy right now
[21:49] <ua> tomreyn, see you tomorrow and thanks a lot :)
[21:49] <tomreyn> ua: can't promise we'll see tomorrow, but good luck, see you soon.
[21:53] <tomreyn> cgi777: you could run an xvfb server and connect to that
[21:53] <cliluw> tomreyn: Depends on the version of Python. It requires a very new one.
[21:55] <tomreyn> cliluw: surprisingly you need new software to use new hash functions
[21:56] <tomreyn> cliluw: there's b2sum in coreutils, though
[22:00] <emOne> leftyfb: it is on my ubuntu server machine
[22:00] <emOne> there are a bunch of ssh connections from god knows where
[22:01] <OerHeks> running an ssh service on standard ports, without fail2ban, and no limit to allowed connections, yeah, welcome to the internet
[22:01] <emOne> OerHeks: haha
[22:01] <emOne> OerHeks: random people bruteforcing?
[22:02] <leftyfb> emOne: yes
[22:02] <OerHeks> some play with shodan, an internet port scanner..
[22:02] <leftyfb> emOne: I hope you don't have password authentication enabled
[22:03] <emOne> leftyfb: how do I check?
[22:03] <emOne> oh.. do you mean if I have a password?
[22:03] <emOne> yes...
[22:03] <leftyfb> emOne: the fact that you're asking means you do
[22:03] <emOne> HA!
[22:04] <OerHeks> https://www.linuxbabe.com/security/harden-ssh-server  and https://medium.com/@jasonrigden/hardening-ssh-1bcb99cd4cef are some hardenings ideas
[22:04] <emOne> shall I maybe use 2 factor authentication?
[22:04] <leftyfb> emOne: setup ssh keys. Disable password authentication. Run ssh on a non-standard port. If you always ssh in from the same ip address, either setup iptables to only allow ssh from that ip and/or specify the ip address in your public ssh key
[22:04] <leftyfb> emOne: please use the link OerHeks just posted and/or google for securing ssh
[22:05] <leftyfb> emOne: I would not recommend 2fa just yet. Not when you are just starting out
[22:05] <emOne> I am not connecting from the same IP
[22:06] <leftyfb> emOne: ok. Still follow the rest of the suggestions
[22:06] <leftyfb> emOne: also consider VPN and shut down public ssh access
[22:07] <emOne> good idea. thank you. and thanks for the link OerHeks
[22:10] <emOne> honestly I am not a big fan of public key authentication
[22:10] <emOne> what happens if I lose that key
[22:10] <leftyfb> don't
[22:10] <emOne> public key authentication has always scared me for ssh
[22:11] <emOne>  a lot
[22:11] <emOne> 1. if the computer I am on breaks... I am out of luck
[22:11] <leftyfb> emOne: make a backup
[22:11] <emOne> 2. It sounds like a key file can just be stolen .. while a pass can't
[22:11] <leftyfb> emOne: incorrect
[22:12] <leftyfb> emOne: also, a password can and will be bruteforced. A keypair will not be
[22:12] <emOne> why not pass and 2fa?
[22:12] <leftyfb> emOne: there are multiple other options given to you. Pick at least 3
[22:13] <emOne> I do have fail2ban
[22:14] <leftyfb> please read the links given to you
[22:14] <emOne> reading as we speak
[22:15] <sarnold> 2fa is great if you can tolerate it
[22:16] <leftyfb> also if you don't make a mistake setting it up
[22:16] <leftyfb> I say keep that one for last
[22:16] <leftyfb> and make sure you have another way in to fix it
[22:16] <puff> Now this is odd.
[22:16] <sarnold> hey puff :)
[22:16] <emOne> I understand. 2fa on ssh might be "dangerous" because it is easy to mess up,,, locking myself out for good
[22:17] <puff> sarnold: Hey.  So I'm trying to flash this quadcopter to 16.04.6 just to see, and now the BIOS boot option menu isn't showing the thumb drive.  Tried it with two different thumb drives.
[22:18] <sarnold> puff: argh :(
[22:18] <tomreyn> puff: maybe the iso you downloaded is broken? did you check the checksums?
[22:23] <emOne> my toaster runs 18.04 .. get with the times
[22:23] <emOne> ^puff
[22:24] <sarnold> emOne: awesome toaster vendor, normally embedded folks like to tell people to use some ancient kernel with out of tree modules and newer stuff never works on it
[22:24] <emOne> :(
[22:26] <emOne> http://www.linuxscrew.com/2008/01/18/fun-windows-vs-linux-for-toasters/
[23:20] <brianx> where can i order a toaster that runs ubuntu?  maybe with unity?
[23:21] <OerHeks> sorry canonical shop is closed
[23:21] <uRock> lol
[23:24] <brianx> no, seriously uRock!
[23:24] <jml2> brianx, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmHbqGx6bys
[23:24] <jml2> brianx, it runs ubuntu
[23:25] <brianx> it was a "paper" airplane.  wrong link?
[23:27] <jml2> brianx, it's the right link! :D
[23:27] <jml2> brianx, oh wait,, you're right, it's the wrong link
[23:27] <jml2> brianx, sorry 'bout that... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
[23:27] <jml2> brianx, there, .. that's the right one.. again sorry my bad....
[23:27] <jml2> brianx, hopefully that helps ya
[23:28] <brianx> no problem jml2.  i'm off to netflix anyway.  will click later.
[23:28] <jml2> brianx, np :)
[23:28] <jml2> brianx, and maybe you might find a movie about toasters too :)
[23:29] <jeremy31> Toaster and paper airplane discussion should be in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:29] <jml2> jeremy31, no it shouldn't. :)
[23:30] <jml2> jeremy31, my link talks about ubuntu.
[23:30] <brianx> jml2: i'm watching https://flash-arrow-order.herokuapp.com/ for now.  will click after.
[23:30] <jml2> jeremy31, I gave the wrong link. read above you fuckan idiot.
[23:30] <jeremy31> jml2: read the rules in the topic
[23:31] <jml2> jeremy31, nobody is talking about airplanes you moron.
[23:32] <jeremy31> Rick Astley vids are off topic
[23:32] <jml2> jeremy31, lol you idiot you clicked on it XD
[23:32] <OerHeks> jml2, watch your language, be nice and keep this channel family friendly, thanks.
[23:32] <jml2> OerHeks, ok sure.
[23:32] <jml2> OerHeks, gotcha.
[23:43]  * uRock is never going to give Ubuntu up.
[23:48]  * uRock is never going to let ubuntu down.