 Hello
 I dont run Lubuntu but im internet friends and I work with Simon and I would like to see what pops here in the Lubuntu telegram
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/au89RAY.jpg Night guys
[04:06] <MrCrackPot> i found this issue https://github.com/lxqt/qterminal/issues/103 but the fix isnt working for me has there been any updates ??
[04:16] <MrCrackPot> its ok i removed it completely seems its not possible.
 ping
 is lubuntu supporting for wireless mouse indicator?
[11:57] <_jagged> Hello, has anybody had trouble using Allegro5 audio with Lubuntu?
[11:57] <_jagged> I ask here because I'm thinking it's an lxqt thing
[11:58] <_jagged> Because, as seemingly always, it's only me who has this problem
[12:18] <guiverc> _jagged, fyi: i've never used allegro audio, but looking at what it is I'd suspect other places in the software stack more than de(lxqt) - but this is guess
[12:19] <apt-ghetto> And please don't forget to describe the problem
[13:12] <_jagged> Thanks for the reply guiverc2, to be honest I only asked here out of frustration from Googling/debugging and a few glasses of red.
[13:12] <_jagged> I'm thinking it's ALSA or something like that.
[13:12] <_jagged> Damn.. IRC huh
[13:12] <_jagged> Can't believe how many people still use this..
[13:13] <_jagged> This shit used to be Facebook, twitter and tinder all in one
[13:14] <apt-ghetto> !language | _jagged
[13:14] <_jagged> Now it's spitting language warnings at me
[13:15] <_jagged> I've been fined for violating the verbal morality statute
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> !language | _jagged], I was about to do that. XD
[13:16] <apt-ghetto> Maybe it does not work from telegram
[13:16] <_jagged> Ok, so this is not mIRC circa '99
[13:17] <_jagged> I'll be carefu... asl?
 @_jagged [<_jagged> Now it's spitting language warnings at me], And it's not "it" It's @aptghetto: XD
 @_jagged [<_jagged> Ok, so this is not mIRC circa '99], This IRC channel is bridged to the telegram channel and vice versa.
[16:36] <n-iCe> Hello
[16:36] <n-iCe> Is lubuntu actually lightweight than xubuntu?
 @n-iCe [<n-iCe> Hello], Namaste!
 @n-iCe [<n-iCe> Is lubuntu actually lightweight than xubuntu?], Yup! It is.
[16:37] <n-iCe> I'm tempted on try it
[16:37] <n-iCe> now lxde is gone
[16:37] <n-iCe> should I make the jump? of course clean install
 we have lxqt form 18.10 onwards.
 @n-iCe [<n-iCe> should I make the jump? of course clean install], Yup! you should.
[16:38] <wxl> though 18.10 is dead, so get 19.04
[16:38] <wxl> and yes, do it
[16:38] <n-iCe> hi wxl !
[16:38] <wxl> o/
 @wxl [<wxl> though 18.10 is dead, so get 19.04], RIP 18.10
[16:38] <n-iCe> yeah, I'm in an old version
[16:38] <n-iCe> Let me download it
[16:38] <n-iCe> Lubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) Released!
 wxl: check dev channel plox!!
[16:40] <n-iCe> oh 32bits was removed
 wxl checks all his pings, no need to crossping ;)
 ... though I just annoy wxl until he does stuff lol @The_LoudSpeaker
 n-iCe yes, 19.04 32bit ISOs were removed
 @teward001 [... though I just annoy wxl until he does stuff lol @The_LoudSpeaker], XD
 you need to install 18.04 and do upgrades to newer releases in-place to still get 32bit Lubuntu installations
 though that will only work for a limited amount of time (and I think you can only get 19.04 with that?)
[16:41] <wxl> something like that
 32 bit support should have ended on an LTS release. 19.04 will aslo die soon.
[16:43] <n-iCe> but my old laptop has 32bits
[16:43] <n-iCe> :<
[16:45] <apt-ghetto> Then you can choose between Xubuntu or Lubuntu 18.04, which are both supported until april 2021
[16:45] <apt-ghetto> And you can consider Xubuntu a bit better supported
[16:46] <wxl> just because XFCE isn't dead upstream like LXDE :/
[16:46] <wxl> but in general in the Ubuntu world, 32 bit should not be considered well supported
[16:48] <n-iCe> what about Debian
[16:49] <wxl> i've heard there has been some rumbling about dropping it but nothing serious
[16:50] <wxl> they have pretty good support for old useless equipment XD
[16:50] <n-iCe> is debian that bad?
[16:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> Actually in a sense, its good. For old systems.
[16:51] <wxl> debian isn't bad at all!
[16:51] <wxl> *at all*
[16:51] <wxl> it's very good
[16:51] <wxl> it's really what ubuntu is based on
[16:51] <wxl> we just put a much more friendly face on it
[16:52] <wxl> but they do a lot of support of old things that we don't
[16:52] <wxl> so just to clarify: Debian = good; old hardware = bad
[16:55] <n-iCe> I see
[16:55] <apt-ghetto> LXDE in Debian come from the same dead upstream, I suppose
[16:56] <wxl> yep
[18:33] <Guest75841> hi
[20:49] <dabblerdude> Hello, I have an issue on Lubuntu. I plugged in my phone to my laptop and was able to view images on there, but when I transferred some images to the desktop and tried to view them, they were unable to be viewed.
[20:50] <dabblerdude> Same with videos as well.
[20:50] <wxl> what happens?
[20:52] <dabblerdude> wxl: I don't know. I'll share a pastebin link with some pictures explaining the problem.
[21:53] <dabblerdude> Ok, here's the link.
[21:53] <dabblerdude> I decided to use an imgur link instead.
[21:54] <dabblerdude> https://imgur.com/a/7tUOI31
[21:54] <wxl> interesting. you're on 18.04?
[21:55] <wxl> OH
[21:55] <wxl> look at the file size
[21:55] <wxl> it's much smaller
[21:55] <wxl> i bet you made a shortcut rather than actually copying/moving the file
[21:56] <wxl> if the shortcut pointed back to the phone but the phone was disconnected, then it would just consider it as a standard file and then it would complain
[21:56] <wxl> also: i really urge you to use 19.04 and not 18.04.
[21:58] <dabblerdude> I just dragged the file from the camera to the desktop; how would that reduce the file size?
[21:58] <wxl> it wouldn't
[21:58] <wxl> but it might make a shortcut
[21:59] <dabblerdude> I'm using 18.04 LTS because I'm gonna sell this laptop of mine, and I don't want whoever buys it to update the system every 6 months.
[21:59] <dabblerdude> It would be better if the customer updates it every 3 years, as that's how long a Ubuntu derivative LTS release lasts.
[22:00] <noizk> Hi
[22:00] <dabblerdude> noizk Hi.
[22:01] <noizk> Hi. Touchpad click is not working (I'm using Lubuntu 19.04) any idea how to fix it?
 Try restarting
 Always happens with school laptops
[22:02] <noizk> I already did
[22:02] <wxl> 18.04 will become basically obsolete in 2021
 uh
[22:02] <wxl> it uses LXDE which is essentially upstream
[22:03] <wxl> essentially dead i mean
 Try installing applications that work with the computer brand like Dell or touchpad software
 If not, you might have to reinstall
[22:03] <wxl> even Fedora's kind of dropping it
[22:03] <noizk> let me see something
[22:03] <wxl> the transition between LXDE and what we've used since 18.04 (LXQt) is not a simple one. you'd be way better off putting on 19.04 if you want less headaches
[22:04] <wxl> also: confirmed that by default pcman in 18.04 makes shortcuts when you DND
[22:04] <wxl> hold down control while DND to get a copy
[22:04] <wxl> also: LTS means old software and that's not always a plus for a customer
[22:05] <wxl> noizk: it's not work AT ALL?
[22:05] <noizk> Hey beautiful people, in gnome and mate there is some workarounds in the "Setting -> Touchpad" is there something like it in 19.04?
[22:05] <wxl> yep
[22:06] <dabblerdude> So in the long run, is it better to put non-LTS release on this PC if I'm selling it?
[22:06] <lynorian> https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/3.2/3.2.8/keyboard_and_mouse.html
[22:06] <dabblerdude> With LTS releases, they're more stable.
[22:06] <noizk> touchpad is working beautifully, amazingly, it's so much better than on Ubuntu or Xubuntu but no touchpad click
[22:06] <wxl> https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/3.2/3.2.8/keyboard_and_mouse.html?highlight=touchpad
[22:06] <wxl> GMTA
[22:07] <wxl> dabblerdude: LTS is not necessarily more stable. in our case, LXDE is dead upstream. LXQt is heavily developed. that said, LXQt (non-LTS currently) is way more stable
[22:07] <wxl> dabblerdude: also i find in general that having old software is NOT usually beneficial
[22:07] <wxl> noizk: what do you mean by touchpad click? you mean tap to click?
[22:08] <noizk> wxl yes sir
[22:08] <dabblerdude> wxl: So do you recommend, for selling PCs, non-LTS releases because they're more stable?
[22:08] <noizk> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it's working
[22:08] <wxl> dabblerdude: i don't recommend 18.04 to anyone unless they're on 32 bit. that's it.
[22:08] <noizk> I had to enable the first option
[22:09] <dabblerdude> wxl: I'm talking about for selling PCs with Ubuntu on them.
[22:09] <dabblerdude> wxl: LTS or non-LTS for the better choice?
[22:09] <noizk> Non-LTS
[22:09] <wxl> dabblerdude: for Ubuntu proper, it depends. still, though, it necessarily means old software. and that sucks. upgrading is easy. this isn't windows.
[22:10] <dabblerdude> wxl: Yeah, I was wondering why Microsoft's OS' go up to 10+ years of support compared to Ubuntu which is 5 years for an LTS release.
[22:11] <dabblerdude> Or 6 months for the non-LTS ones.
[22:11] <wxl> dabblerdude: because they have to figure out some way to justify charging you an arm and a leg.
[22:12] <noizk> There is something I don't understand: Every time I tried using IRC before I had to register my user name. Now here with Lubuntu bundled client it just works. What magic is this?
[22:12] <wxl> there are certain things that will require you to register
[22:12] <wxl> channels sometimes set modes that require it
[22:12] <wxl> ours doesn't
[22:12] <noizk> Nice
[22:13] <wxl> but it has in the past when spam has been craszy
[22:13] <noizk> when I was 13 and 14 I spent every day on IRC
[22:13] <noizk> I forgot about everything
[22:14] <noizk> "/away" I used to do this before I sleep
[22:15] <dabblerdude> wxl: It's easier to upgrade on Ubuntu?
[22:15] <dabblerdude> That's nice.
[22:16] <noizk> If I remember correctly there wille a new version of 19.10 this year
[22:16] <noizk> or january 2020.
[22:16] <noizk> Just type sudo apt-get upgrade I think
[22:17] <noizk> *Dist-upgrade
[22:19] <dabblerdude> I have been using Ubuntu for a while, and I have some residual parts of using Windows in my mind.
[22:19] <dabblerdude> So I got to remember the differences between the two.
[22:20] <noizk> I use Linux for 1.5 year and I'm still dumb, newbie and I forget things all the time
[22:20] <noizk> If I was introduced to Linux when I was 12 or 13 I would remember things better now. It's normal
[22:21] <noizk> I'm having aliasing issues and even though I fixed compton conf about 4 months ago I don't remember how to do it
[22:22] <dabblerdude> wxl: Btw, you make a good point about the old software. That is an issue that the customer could charge me for.
[22:22] <dabblerdude> I thought the non-LTS releases were less stable and more buggy.
[22:22] <noizk> wxl is there anything I can do in compton conf to improve tearing?
[22:28] <noizk> ?
[22:33] <dabblerdude> So I just copied and pasted some pictures from my phone onto the desktop, and they were able to be viewed.
[22:34] <dabblerdude> For some weird reason, if I drag them onto the desktop and view them from there, they can't be viewed.
[22:37] <noizk> https://github.com/yshui/compton is there any way I can copy this git and install using the terminal?
[22:40] <wxl> dabblerdude: LTS releases can be considered as more stable....... because they have old software. there's less of a chance of putting in cutting edge stuff. but we (Lubuntu) don't tend to do that anyways. Ubuntu often makes huge sweeping changes.
[22:41] <wxl> noizk: i'm not the graphics expert. i just live with the default, really. but i would expect that you'd have more luck with the graphics driver.
[22:41] <wxl> dabblerdude: if you ctrl-drag it will work
[22:41] <wxl> (i said this before)
[22:43] <dabblerdude> wxl: I looked through the chat and didn't see you mention using ctrl-drag.
[22:44] <wxl> noizk: i wouldn't recommend using that considering it's a development branch. instead, if you see something useful, i would suggest you urge the developers to send a pull request upstream.
[22:45] <wxl> 1504 < wxl:#lubuntu> also: confirmed that by default pcman in 18.04 makes shortcuts when you DND
[22:45] <wxl> 1504 < wxl:#lubuntu> hold down control while DND to get a copy
[22:45] <dabblerdude> wxl: So the PC that I'm trying to sell is a Dell Latitude D520, it currently has a Core Duo CPU in it, 2GB of RAM, and I can't get any version above 18.04 because the future versions are 64-bit only.
[22:46] <dabblerdude> It can run YouTube videos at decent quality and can navigate the web well.
[22:46] <noizk> wxl: I found a very interesting 6.2-0york0~18.04 build uploaded in launchpad.net
[22:46] <noizk> I'm going to restart. Let's see if ot works
[22:50] <wxl> dabblerdude: it's not a 32-bit only computer
[22:51] <dabblerdude> Yeah, I could upgrade the CPU in that to a Core 2 Duo.
[22:51] <noizk> Reboot complete
[22:51] <wxl> it had one by default
[22:51] <dabblerdude> Core Duos are 32-bit only whereas the Core 2s support 64 bit.
[22:52] <wxl> from what i can see, it was a core 2 by default
[22:52] <wxl> https://ark.intel.com/content/www/id/id/ark/products/27253/intel-core-2-duo-processor-t5500-2m-cache-1-66-ghz-667-mhz-fsb.html to be specific
[22:52] <noizk> No more tearing wxl
[22:52] <wxl> ij
[22:52] <wxl> uh
[22:52] <wxl> english https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/27253/intel-core-2-duo-processor-t5500-2m-cache-1-66-ghz-667-mhz-fsb.html
[22:52] <noizk> I need to tell devs the https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/compton/+build/16640099 build is sexy
[22:52] <noizk> How do I tell them?
[22:53] <wxl> might want to `lscpu` that thing
[22:53] <wxl> if it's got the `lm` flag, it's 64 capable
[22:54] <wxl> noizk: https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf
[22:54] <wxl> I am not an Ubuntu or Debian developer or maintainer. I offer no warranty for any of these packages. These are created for my own systems
[22:55] <wxl> that's what he says
[22:55] <wxl> i would NOT be using that casually
[22:55] <noizk> I see
[22:55] <wxl> plus he only supports bionic, i.e. 18.04
[22:55] <wxl> so not even sure how it worked on 19.04. it shouldn't have even installed.
[22:55] <dabblerdude> Wait, I'm running 18.04 right now.
[22:55] <noizk> It would be interesting if Lubuntu devs could compile that latest compton github I sent you earlier
[22:56] <dabblerdude> Oop, my mistake.
[22:56] <wxl> as a Lubuntu Developer, i can tell you: no way.
[22:56] <noizk> why not?
[22:56] <wxl> it's a development branch
[22:56] <noizk> I see
[22:56] <wxl> it would be like shipping a prototype car
[22:56] <wxl> i mean sure it comes with lots of neat features
[22:56] <wxl> but when it blows up in someone's face, you've got a problem
[22:56] <noizk> Well I should have done this because that build was made for 18.04 but it ws working
[22:57] <noizk>  I meant I should have done
[22:57] <noizk> *Shouldn't
[22:57] <noizk> sorry
[22:57] <wxl> you should also know something else: no one except that guy will provide you support with those packages
[22:58] <noizk> Right.
[22:59] <noizk> I wish I could compile myself that development git but I would mess something up anyway
[23:00] <noizk> btw Lubuntu is fast now, tearing free
[23:00] <noizk> It's going to be my distro for the next 4 years
[23:00] <wxl> you could
[23:00] <wxl> but compilation is not necessarily a beginner sport
[23:01] <noizk> Yes.
[23:01] <noizk> one day I'll be good at it though
[23:01] <wxl> try doing linux from scratch
[23:02] <wxl> seriously, you'll learn so much
[23:02] <noizk> I tried last year
[23:02] <noizk> I almost cried for 2 hours after breaking my system lol
[23:02] <wxl> do it in a virtual machine
[23:02] <noizk> Good idea. I'm going to do this next month or during Christmas
[23:02] <wxl> with virtual machines you can take snapshots and if you break something, revert back to them
[23:04] <wxl> i may revert my thinking about this fork of compton but it needs further investigation
[23:05] <noizk> perhaps it has nothing to do with the new version because I did a reboot
[23:06] <wxl> https://github.com/chjj/compton/graphs/code-frequency
[23:06] <wxl> :(
[23:06] <noizk> however I killed compton and restarted before
[23:06] <wxl> upstream *is* looking unmaintained
[23:06] <wxl> plus i see that the fork is providing actual releases, which is a good thing
[23:06] <wxl> if i can get a sense of the stability, that would help a lot
[23:06] <wxl> when they say "development branch" that really makes me concerned
[23:07] <noizk> for what I read the fork is the new thing since the original project is half-dead
[23:07] <wxl> that graph above kind of suggests as such
[23:08] <dabblerdude> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Latitude#Other_Models
[23:08] <wxl> there are 21 pull requests.. oldest is from 2013.. last commit at all from 2017
[23:08] <noizk> if the fork becomes stable do you believe it's going to be ok ?
[23:08] <dabblerdude> wxl: There were different versions of the D520 that had either a Core Duo, Core 2 Duo, or Celeron CPU by default.
[23:09] <wxl> dabblerdude: IC :/
[23:09] <wxl> noizk: yes
[23:09] <noizk> nice
[23:11] <dabblerdude> wxl: I'll put in a Core 2 in there.
[23:11] <dabblerdude> The chipset supports that.
[23:14] <dabblerdude> wxl: Sorry if I annoyed you, I just saw that you posted that emoji there.
[23:14] <noizk> poor wxl heping two newbies today
[23:15] <noizk> Let's give him a rest :)
[23:22] <dabblerdude> Ok.
[23:54] <wxl> sorry i'm at work so i come and go
[23:55] <jugaad> is there any gui way to change opengl settings ?
[23:57] <jugaad> i have installed e17 desktop using cmd- sudo apt install e17 , installation was done, while switching to the e17 desktop and setting it up, i get only blank screen with a cursor that's it.