[00:26] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[00:27] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: heh, are you where your dns says you are? :)
[00:27] <lotuspsychje> yeah, temps are killing tonight, phew
[00:28] <sarnold> oh :( sorry :( good luck
[00:28] <lotuspsychje> 25c at 2h28
[00:28] <sarnold> it's just *super* early for your part of the world -- I'd always assumed you were in au or nz :)
[00:29] <lotuspsychje> yeah i confuse alot with aus timezones always
[00:29] <lotuspsychje> sarnold: wich part are you from?
[00:29] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: portland, oregon, usa
[00:29] <sarnold> 1729 at the moment
[00:29] <lotuspsychje> whats the temps over there?
[00:29] <sarnold> 26c
[00:30] <lotuspsychje> okay-ish :p
[00:30] <lotuspsychje> they predict code red here today, 41c
[00:31] <sarnold> it's about 21-22 indoors, so when I head outside to move my garden sprinkler, it just feels like a nice warm summer day; if I were to be *doing* something outside in the sun, I'd certainly think it too warm
[00:31] <sarnold> 25 at 2am is just way too much though
[00:31] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-discuss/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=FIXRELEASED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affec
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> ts_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> the -discuss team solved bugs :p
[08:08] <EoflaOE> Hi lotuspsychje
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> hey EoflaOE
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> have you been able to work for UWN yet EoflaOE ?
[08:11] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: Yes, and am invited for Gdoc.
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> nice1
[08:12] <EoflaOE> Thanks
[08:13]  * lotuspsychje runs away fast
[08:13] <marcoagpinto> heya
[08:13] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... I have run out of cola
[08:13] <marcoagpinto> :(
[08:19] <daftykins> time for that soft drink diet ;)
[08:19] <daftykins> best thing i ever did giving up that stuff
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:34] <luna> http://ubuntupodcast.org/2019/07/25/s12e16-glider-rider/
[14:49] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: How does #snappy help with Ubuntu Core image?
[14:50] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: Ubuntu core is all snap related. They would know better.
[14:53] <leftyfb> a bit surprised there isn't an #ubuntu-core
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> okay... I wasn't aware, I thought core was like what "Fedora Core" used to be
[14:53] <leftyfb> though really, after the image is working, it's all snappy from there
[14:53] <leftyfb> nope
[14:56] <pragmaticenigma> good to know
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[15:19] <hggdh> and... chromium is now snap-only
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> aha tnx hggdh
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> probably easier to maintain that way?
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> sucks that nothing will be able to leverage webkit library sharing
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> well.. harder to share
[15:27] <luna> Listening to this weeks podcast now
[15:49] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: yes, MUCH easier to maintain. One single snap will work on all supported platforms
[16:06] <pragmaticenigma> i'm still in the camp, if I wanted snaps... I would have installed windows camp
[16:08] <luna> Downloading the new Eoan +1 release now
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> please no crossposts luna
[16:17] <luna> lotuspsychje: sorry
[16:26] <tomreyn> hggdh: so what happens to the apt package. does it get more and more outdated? will it be removed? how do users using the apt package learn about the change?
[16:26] <hggdh> and... more interesting. chromium-browser was installed as a snap, but (1) the package was not removed, and (2) there is no linking to the snap. As a result, I am still using the package, not the snap
[16:26] <tomreyn> (i'm not sure you're the right person to ask about this, though)
[16:26] <tomreyn> ah
[16:27] <tomreyn> same thoughts :)
[16:27] <hggdh> let me grab the apt log for this change
[16:28] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version is this about? all supported? +1?
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> I'm guessing the 19 series at minimum
[16:31] <hggdh> oh, it seems (for whatever stupid reason) I would need to restart after the snap was installed: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8v58VDktfB/
[16:31] <hggdh> oing it now
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> lets also try that
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> hmm looks like its pretty responsive for a snap
[16:34] <tomreyn> so that's on eoan only for now, ok
[16:35] <hggdh> yes, restarting did the trick. I am now under the chromium snap (and the package is still installed)
[16:36] <hggdh> mind you, this is on Eoan
[16:36] <tomreyn> now do you file bugs about this migration path against the bug tracker apt packages use (launchpad), or the bug tracker snaps use (/dev/null)?
[16:36] <hggdh> tomreyn: good question...
[16:37] <tomreyn> well, tbf, eoan is unreleased.
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> twitter!
[16:38] <tomreyn> ring the lara bell!
[16:39] <hggdh> asked in #u-desktop
[16:39] <tomreyn> are snaps x-platform actually?
[16:39] <tomreyn> or rather, are there snaps fpr multiple platforms
[16:40] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/chromium-browser lists amd64, arm64, armhf, i386
[16:41] <hggdh> theoretically, whereever snapd is running, it would swallow a snap
[16:41] <hggdh> and I got a response -- seems snap is still slightly broken on eoan, plus kernel bug. Known issuess, being dealt with
[16:42] <pragmaticenigma> well... it's not even RC yet.. so that seems to be expected
[16:42] <hggdh> aye. And I keep eating the dog food, as I used to do while Canonical
[16:43] <tomreyn> oh and kernel mainline builds got fixed
[22:38] <lotuspsychje> good night to all
[22:39] <jeremy31> You can't leave, it isn't 2 am yet
[22:40] <lotuspsychje> :p
[22:40] <lotuspsychje> its raining, all windows open
[22:41] <jeremy31> It should be cooling it off there
[22:42] <sarnold> hey lotuspsychje :)
[22:42] <lotuspsychje> hey sarnold
[22:42] <lotuspsychje> Weather report: Brussels, Belgium
[22:42] <lotuspsychje>      \   /     Clear
[22:42] <lotuspsychje>       .-.      28..29 °C
[22:42] <lotuspsychje>    ― (   ) ―   ↖ 13 km/h
[22:42] <lotuspsychje>       `-’      10 km
[22:42] <lotuspsychje>      /   \     0.5 mm
[22:44] <sarnold> hahaha
[22:44] <sarnold> nice
[22:44] <sarnold> still far too hot for 2am of course
[22:44] <lotuspsychje> at 0h44 yeah
[22:45] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: oh heh, I'm noticing nickchanges to pragmaticenigma -- is that you too?
[22:45] <lotuspsychje> no lol, pragma jokes around sometimes
[22:45] <sarnold> aha ;)
[22:46] <lotuspsychje> this is my i5 laptop and the nuc i7 for business
[22:46] <sarnold> puff wanted to say thanks to pragmaticenigma the other day, so I've been waiting to see him return..
[22:46] <lotuspsychje> thats the guy with intel device right
[22:47] <sarnold> yeah
[22:47] <jeremy31> It isn't 6 PM here and it is 26C
[22:47] <lotuspsychje> you know what fixxed it?
[22:47] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: where are you?
[22:47] <jeremy31> North Central United States
[22:47] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: it was cruddy device, an older kernel worked :(
[22:48] <lotuspsychje> cool
[22:48] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: I mean, good it's fixed, but .. terrible solution :(
[22:48] <lotuspsychje> sarnold: yeah i also adviced him to test things like 16.04.6, but that wiki he followed workedaround weirdly old kernel
[22:53] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: sigh :( I wish more embedded people cared abouit supporting their stuff longer
[22:54] <lotuspsychje> sarnold: wasnt ubuntu core a good idea for Iot & drones or so?
[22:55] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: yes, I think so, especially for the userland update infrastructure
[22:56] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: but if they don't put in the effort to get their out of tree drivers and so on into the upstream kernel, the'll probably eventually stop paying for enabled kernels for "last years" devices..
[22:56] <lotuspsychje> but probably even then, he would need to add that intel ppa
[22:59] <sarnold> depends how much they'd have embraced the snap lifestyle, heh
[23:10] <lotuspsychje> sarnold: i want one of these: https://www.droneshield.com/how-droneshield-works
[23:10] <lotuspsychje> free hardware :p
[23:10] <tomreyn> the intel repo for this drone even had a custom systemd
[23:10] <sarnold> tomreyn o_O
[23:10] <tomreyn> yes...
[23:11] <tomreyn> and there was kernel source, i think someone could even try making this work properly.
[23:11] <tomreyn> but then they also stopped supporting the hardware in january, after 3 or so years.
[23:12] <lotuspsychje> i adviced him to just try an updated 16.04.6 and start bugging from there
[23:12] <lotuspsychje> see what issues he would bump into the official way
[23:12] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: hah, this thing kinda looked like a way to lob a shovel at a drone, but it's some kind of radio thingy I don't understand https://www.droneshield.com/dronegun-tactical
[23:13] <lotuspsychje> sarnold: sounds to me  like an electrical 'pinch' making some kind of shortcut
[23:14] <sarnold> I have to wonder if it works only with certain vendors
[23:14] <lotuspsychje> its more a frequency thing
[23:14] <lotuspsychje> disable the connection that stop it to fly
[23:17] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: I thought you were going to sleep?
[23:18] <lotuspsychje> no i was sleeping jeremy31 , but too hot
[23:20] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: air conditioning is worth every penny
[23:20] <lotuspsychje> yeah i keep telling myself to buy an AC every year
[23:21] <lotuspsychje> but in belgium we arent used for these temps
[23:21] <lotuspsychje> usually its 3 weeks warm, then rainy
[23:22] <lotuspsychje> i want one of those dyson air purifiers, but 600 euro
[23:22] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: join ##linuxmint and see if you can move in with Butterfly for the hot days
[23:23] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: i was looking at this lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk7CsCRz8Ns
[23:24] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: that doesn't do air conditioning
[23:25] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: I've got one of these, it was not 600 eur :) https://camelcamelcamel.com/Coway-AP-1512HH-Mighty-Purifier-True/product/B00BTKAPUU
[23:27] <lotuspsychje> sarnold: wow, big toy