[05:23] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:44] <brobostigon> https://twitter.com/scraliontis/status/1154280573797580801
[06:53] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:53] <brobostigon> \o
[06:55] <daftykins> \o/
[07:24] <daftykins> naughty SSD in my server decided life wasn't worth living, so it took the VM that was stashed on it with it - my my
[07:27] <brobostigon> :(
[07:28] <daftykins> kept working to read mind you, so i was able to copy it off - it just doesn't boot properly anymore
[07:28] <daftykins> very interesting, someone on github has a project edit of vmfs-tools to be able to mount the version 6 file system, read only however... meant i got to the data from a dingo live session fine :)
[07:29] <brobostigon> :)
[09:16] <daftykins> all recovered \o/
[09:16] <daftykins> now to celebrate with some music, ah
[09:17] <brobostigon> :)
[09:25] <daftykins> oop gotta switch host back now
[10:18] <brobostigon> https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1154309504370139137 well its happened, lets hope mps have a backbone.
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> eeeeeew, new twitter ui....
[10:23] <brobostigon> agreed.
[10:24] <knightwise> mornign !
[10:24] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[10:25] <daftykins> \o
[10:26] <brobostigon> o/
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> so many people... slack must be down.... :-P
[10:26] <daftykins> haha
[10:27] <daftykins> still never touched that
[10:27] <zmoylan-pi> requires too much ram for me to go near it :-)
[10:27] <zmoylan-pi> this 2gb netbook barely handles 4 tabs in firefox well enough :-D
[10:27] <daftykins> standard values from the early 2000s? ;D
[10:27] <daftykins> time to dump it!
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> nonsense, it's got another 3-4 years left in it
[10:28] <daftykins> one tab with youtube no doubt brings it to its' knees, that's way past it
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> i still have the 1gb netbook it replaced. trying to find a use for it. super light linux distro and run dos apps on seems most likely :-)
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> now i just need to get a copy of wordstar....
[10:31] <zmoylan-pi> i've looked at getting a cheap laptop with 4 or even 8gb but it's hard to justify dumping fully working hardware
[10:34] <daftykins> hmm it's quite easy when it's a waste of power (:
[10:34] <daftykins> a friend who i've been helping with the small business of is umming and arring over what form of system to get for working for said business with, trouble is he's trying to have his cake and eat it
[10:35] <daftykins> "maybe i can convince them i need a desktop AND a laptop" he says :D
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> when a rasp pi can be both.... :-P
[10:35] <daftykins> nope
[10:36] <daftykins> been keeping up with all the design fails on the 4th?
[10:37] <zmoylan-pi> usb-c a little wonky, so warm it needs a fan... massive fails...
[10:37] <daftykins> they very much are
[10:37] <daftykins> he's essentially a data scientist with medical data as the target, so full disk encryption is the bare minimum initial requirement i'm mandating... his workloads typically involve R Studio crunching away at multiple several-gigabyte databases which it seems to like to hold in RAM
[10:38] <daftykins> so 32GB is the minimum i've been aiming for with new systems
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> and version 4 of many things are iffy... dbase iv killed the product line is the classic example
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> well for that 32gb sounds sane
[10:38] <daftykins> cursed :D
[10:40] <zmoylan-pi> thankfully ssds are coming down in price as capacity goes up other wise those datasets would require spinning rust
[10:41] <knightwise> morning everyone
[10:42] <daftykins> unfortunately, whilst the sane approach would've been to have a chunky server somewhere running the software and his minions could have connected in remotely to run tasks, the more rapid way to get things going has been to buy a couple of them workstation class laptops
[10:42] <knightwise> I just reinstalled my 2009 iMac with the successor to crunchbang
[10:42] <daftykins> managed to grab a pair of Dell Precisions with true hex core 8th gen i7 CPUs, 32GB RAM and 1TB SSDs for about a grand a piece
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> crunchbang is a name i have not heard of in a long time
[10:43] <daftykins> same here
[10:43] <knightwise> Its called Helium now
[10:43] <knightwise> But it FLIES on this machine (i have inserted an SSD)
[10:43] <daftykins> iMacs :(
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> but an imac from when they were upgradeable... a little
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> not the glued wafers apple seems intent on selling now
[10:44] <daftykins> mmm worse and worse all the time
[10:45] <knightwise> I do have one.
[10:45] <knightwise> i swapped out the HD with an SSD and pumped in some more ram
[10:45] <zmoylan-pi> but gillette better watch their back before apple crowds them out of their own market on razor blades...
[10:45] <knightwise> this machine is 10 years old and still great to play around with
[10:45] <zmoylan-pi> old hardware can be great. if it's survived that long it's got +3 on build quality :-)
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> or luck
[10:46] <daftykins> i think it's an early or late 2007 heap i got given for free upstairs, core 2 duo with an AMD Radeon HD in it
[10:46] <daftykins> a client brought it to me with 1GB RAM and the original HDD in, running 10.6 snow leopard - and asked if it could be brought up to date
[10:46] <daftykins> i said, "in a word, no"
[10:47] <daftykins> most current MacOS is 10.11 El Capitan, which is EOL of course
[10:48] <zmoylan-pi> slap linux on it... :-P
[10:48] <knightwise> Did that for one of my friends too. Still getting a lot of life out of her machine
[10:48] <daftykins> i have... and despite totally sorting all the cooling, it was hitting its' thermal limits the other day
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> ah, not good
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> lets just make the whole computer go slower because of heat...
[10:49] <knightwise>  ah but yes , linux does not properly support the cooling fans
[10:49] <daftykins> Apple are of course notorious for not putting in decent cooling
[10:49] <knightwise> on mac mini's that is
[10:49] <daftykins> no the fans work perfectly fine, it ramps up as it got hot
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> they optimise their hardware to their os so close
[10:49] <knightwise> any suggestions for a good lightweight streaming app ?
[10:50] <knightwise> preferably cli ?
[10:50] <daftykins> to receive? streamlink i use with twitch
[10:50] <daftykins> totally bypasses the memory hungry browser experience and allows piping to a player with hardware decode support
[10:51] <daftykins> assuming you mean to view streams
[10:51] <knightwise> listen to audiostreams
[10:51] <daftykins> example source?
[10:53] <knightwise> somaFm
[10:53] <daftykins> meh should be tonnes of stuff that can play shoutcast URLs
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> audio players are the text editors of the media world :-)
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> ...but without the lynch mobs obviously...
[11:47] <knightwise> i think vlc can do the url via the commandline too
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> isn't there a whole cli option for vlc? it has every other option... :-)
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> https://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Command_line/#Use_the_command_line
[11:53] <daftykins> cvlc isn't it
[11:54] <brobostigon> which i use with streamlink fairly often, :)
[11:58] <daftykins> ooh just dropped Zen a line about their G.fast products, sounds good for my friend in Exeter
[12:19] <zmoylan-pi> zen... i wonder how relaxing their hold music is.... :-P
[12:21] <daftykins> client wanted call diversion on his London flat line, they want £2.40/mo extra just to enable it
[12:21] <daftykins> BT'd be double that, it seems
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> in breaking news... people still have landlines at home.... more news as we get it... :-P
[12:39] <daftykins> it's mandatory for VDSL2 based technologies
[12:40] <daftykins> and G.fast still comes with a line too, so you could be having 330 Mb down and still have it
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> oh no, i get it for data, but an actual phone plugged in for calls...
[12:42] <zmoylan-pi> i'd be tempted to have a rasp pi answer all the calls and play some sound byte from that day in history for the time traveller making the call
[12:43] <daftykins> :D you can indeed get FreePBX for Pi i believe
[12:44] <daftykins> what gets me is that every time i tell him that he's racking up huge bills for calling Guernsey mobiles and landlines from his London landline, he keeps forgetting and does it anyway
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> todays would have to be something about today is the 108th anniversary of ibm getting their first patent...
[12:46] <brobostigon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:On_this_day/Today it might be quicker just to get it to pull the information that page.
[12:49] <zmoylan-pi> odd, shouldn't the day show today and not jul 20?
[12:49] <brobostigon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_25
[12:53] <zmoylan-pi> i got that manually but the generic today is showing wrong date for some reason
[12:53] <brobostigon> i agree, it asnt showing properly.
[12:53] <brobostigon> asnt*
[12:53] <brobostigon> wasnt*
[13:33] <knightwise> I have the chance to pickup a second hand Thinkpad. Wondering if I should go for the L540 or the T430
[13:33] <daftykins> minimum 4th gen haswell imo
[13:33] <daftykins> like the T440s i'm typing from (:
[13:33] <zmoylan-pi> hold out for one with the butterfly keyboard :-P
[13:34] <knightwise> They keyboards are the bomb indeed
[13:34] <knightwise> I think the T430 doenst have the hasswel .. right
[13:34] <daftykins> nah that'd be the generation prior, ivybridge
[13:34] <knightwise> big speed difference you think ?
[13:35] <daftykins> not really that, mostly an efficiency one
[13:35] <zmoylan-pi> no no, THE butterfly keyboard :-) http://giant.gfycat.com/OddballIdolizedIbex.gif
[13:35] <daftykins> though back then they did tend to say 12-14% year on year gains
[13:36] <daftykins> oh... i was just thinking butterfly as in the most recent apple design that has the failing keys xD
[13:36] <daftykins> which had me puzzled since the topic was ThinkPads :D
[13:36] <zmoylan-pi> such a pity that ibm never made it reliable enough to keep making
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> basically a full sized laptop keyboard in a netbook
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> ah, a better gif... https://giphy.com/gifs/action-butterfly-keyboard-l3iJQ372QPalq
[13:42] <zmoylan-pi> look how thick that screen is, whole laptop would fit in that depth now :-)
[13:55] <knightwise> god I hate the butterflies on the mac
[13:55] <knightwise> reason i bought a thinkpad X1
[13:56] <zmoylan-pi> you spend so much of your time typing, why wouldn't it be in top 3 reasons to pick a laptop?
[13:58] <knightwise> It was .
[14:00] <zmoylan-pi> ditto screens, i hate the glossy screens that are so prevelent these days...
[14:01] <knightwise> God yes
[14:02] <knightwise>  First think I bought for the mac and the X1 : Matte screen displays
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> you could sit outdoors and read your screen
[14:03] <knightwise> I love to be out and about
[14:03] <knightwise> Do my best writing when i'm in a cafe somewhere
[14:04] <zmoylan-pi> in hot weather like this outside offers a chance of a breath of air
[14:05] <knightwise> not for me . i'm  sticking to the indoors today
[14:05]  * daftykins hides in between the thick stone walls
[14:06] <knightwise> up since 4.45 this morning
[14:06]  * zmoylan-pi is waiting till after 1700 before heading out.
[14:06] <knightwise> yeah , and not even then
[14:06] <knightwise> hmm.. wifi keeps cutting out after X period of time onthe imac
[14:06] <knightwise> gotte figure out why that is
[14:07] <daftykins> because they're junk :)
[14:07] <daftykins> is it 19.04 you popped on?
[14:07] <daftykins> then again you said some other distro that might not have a 'buntu base, nevermind
[14:11] <knightwise> its a debian based one
[14:11] <knightwise> popping in an external wifi card. see what this does
[14:11] <knightwise> ha :) Mpv + url of Stream = lightest music player ever
[19:12] <nucc1> does anyone know how to lower the wait time for disks on startup? I've got a usb disk connected and in /etc/fstab that may not always be available, and i'd like to lower the wait time from 90 seconds to something like 20 seconds
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> steam is live https://www.spacex.com/webcast