[00:18] <kc2bez> wxl: Are you all set with usb-creator ? I just got home, I can test it if you need me to do so.
[00:19] <wxl> kc2bez: should be good but extra testing is always good
[00:20] <kc2bez> Ok. I can give it a spin tonight.
 @tsimonq2 wxl: you will both be pleased to know my PGP key is now embedded to my Yubikey that arrived today.
 as is my new SSH key (based on the GPG key) and it works
 so yay for security
 now i have to update my keys everywhere xD
 (LP is already done)
 wcl: can we change the icons of the .desktop? The ones that doesn't look good, like, printers, skanlite, lxqt-about. Change the icon they use.
 fro example, lxqt-about.desktop looks much better with hwinfo icon instead of help-about
 wxl^
[02:09] <wxl[m]> Yay teward
[02:10] <wxl[m]> @HMollerCl it's an option in the desktop entry specification
 yes, I know
 my question is, can we as lubuntu change it? won't affect oter distributions?
 in lxqt-about change to Icon=hwinfo
 looks much better (need to restart the panel)
 wxl: created a task for it https://phab.lubuntu.me/T95
[02:16] <wxl[m]> Oh hm that's an interesting quandry
 or, we coudl create our own icons with xdg to ~.share/apps taht should work
 sorry ~.local/share/applications
 and we shoudl put to the originals notshownin=lxqt
 @HMollerCl [sorry ~.local/share/applications], `~/.local/share/applications`?
 yes
 wxl: notShownIn=lxqt not needed, the one in `~/.local/share/applications` prevale
[03:09] <wxl> @tsimonq2: how do we have XDG_DATA_DIRS set? it seems it's set to /usr/share/Lubuntu but we seem to have stuff in /usr/share/lubuntu
[03:10] <wxl> and actually that seems like it might even be from 18.04 based on the name of the files in /wallpapers
[03:10] <wxl> furthermore /usr/share/Lubuntu doesn't exist at all
[03:12] <wxl> ^ @HMollerCl the relevance here is that it looks like we can write to $XDG_DATA_DIRS/icons 
[03:12] <wxl> so we probably wouldn't change the desktop file but we could put a file in there with the right name
 mm I'm not following you
 we need to to put a .desktop file with a different icon=xxx
[03:14] <wxl> no
 in xdg so it ended up in ~./local/share/applications
[03:14] <wxl> for example, let's say the desktop has Icon=blah
[03:15] <wxl> then we put icons at /usr/share/Lubuntu/icons/blah
[03:15] <wxl> it will take precendence over everything else except what's in $HOME
[03:16] <wxl> we could do what you're saying but that's quite a bit more complicated since we'd have to maintain the whole desktop file (and make sure we track its changes over time)
 I don't get it, we put a new icon with name blah?
[03:25] <wxl> yep
 ok, and it won't change when someone changes icon-theme?
[03:26] <wxl> when the menu consults the desktop entry, it will see blah and search through XDG_DATA_DIRS for the icon
[03:26] <wxl> as i understand it, that is correct, but i'm not sure
 ok, only problem I see is that if someone chanegs teh deafult icon theme (to numix for example) that icon won't change
[03:33] <wxl> it might. i'm not sure
[05:22] <wxl> @tsimonq2: shouldn't we have compton in our repos?
 @teward001 [so yay for security], Do fido keys(and yubikeys) natively work with (l)ubuntu ? Or one has to do additional setup for it?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Do fido keys(and yubikeys) natively work with (l)ubuntu ? Or one has to do addit …], I've used them on other distros but it depends on what you want to use them for as they're  multi-functional.
 If it's just OTP the client works well, I've tried login integraiton as well and that though requiring a little configuration does work also.
 @wxl [<wxl> then we put icons at /usr/share/Lubuntu/icons/blah], didn't work put a help-about.svg in usr/share/Lubuntu/icons/ but didn't work
 sorry /usr/share/lubuntu/icons
 didi it also with /usr/share/Lubuntu/icons/help-about.svg didn't work either
 wxl:^
 does someone has some info about this project? https://github.com/lxqt/sddm-config-editor
 it appears to be stalled
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Do fido keys(and yubikeys) natively work with (l)ubuntu ? Or one has to do addit …], U2F works out of the box in 18.04+ with enabled browsers.  YubiKeys for PGP SmartKeys and SSH Keys need some additional config out of the box
 BUT it's not that hard to get that working... getting it *reversed* if yuo botch it is hard
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T20
 @HMollerCl [does someone has some info about this project? https://github.com/lxqt/sddm-conf …], https://phab.lubuntu.me/T20
 Is the same?
 si the same what?
 Sddm-config-editor
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T20
 aaa, sorry, yes the same. But doesn't appear to be much movement on it.
[16:57] <wxl> @HMollerCl first, re: sddd-config-editor, it *IS* part of the lxqt project, so that's a good sign. just because it's not getting a lot of activity doesn't mean it's not getting any. last commit in march. no pull requests (that's a good sign or a bad sign depending). most issues are agaida's and him trying to improve more infrastructure things. he does say it'
[16:57] <wxl> s not quite ready for Debian https://github.com/lxqt/sddm-config-editor/issues/15
[16:58] <wxl> i seem to remember when i built it, it worked quite well and it seemed fully functional
[16:58] <wxl> if you want to investigate with agaida his reasons, that would go a long way
[17:00] <wxl> the TODO seems mostly done *EXCEPT* probably the most important thing: validation of the config https://github.com/lxqt/sddm-config-editor/issues/15
[17:00] <wxl> i bet that would be a relatively simple bit of code to write
[17:01] <wxl> ew 26.3% of the code is ruby. whyyyyy????
[17:01] <wxl> ah. separate version. NEVERMIND
 jajjaa
[17:01] <wxl> still, weird
 I did some tests with the icons, didn't succeed
[17:02] <wxl> i'm getting to that
[17:02] <wxl> it may be that you have to have a full folder of icons
[17:02] <wxl> i have to look at the specifications
 or, crate a theme that inherits from epapirus...
[17:02] <wxl> Support for SVGs is optional. 
[17:02] <wxl> ^^ from the spec
[17:03] <wxl> might try PNG to do a for sure test
 ok, to be sure, your idea is put it like /usr/share/Lubuntu/icons/help-about.svg
 ?
[17:04] <wxl> sounds like you should technically have an "icon theme" which is to say that there must be a file index.theme
[17:04] <wxl> this is not what we think of as "icon themes" throughout the desktop environment
[17:05] <wxl> well, maybe i'm wrong about that. hm.
[17:06] <wxl> what do you get from `echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS`?
[17:06] <wxl> oh and make sure you don't have anything in $XDG_HOME_DIRS/icons cuz that will override
[17:07] <wxl> https://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html
[17:08] <wxl> it does look like there should be an index.theme, some subdirectories, e.g. $basedir/hicolor/48x48/apps, PNG to be sure the test works as SVG may be ignored and there should be a icon-data .icon file
 yup, I was reading the same
 but that is for a complete theme..
[17:09] <wxl> yeah but there has got to be a way to override it
 XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/Lubuntu:/usr/local/share:/usr/share:/var/lib/snapd/desktop
[17:09] <wxl> so first, i'd try with the png and see if that works
[17:10] <wxl> failing that, add the icon-data file
[17:10] <wxl> failing that put it in icons/hicolor/48x48/apps
[17:11] <wxl> (make sure it's 48x48)
[17:11] <wxl> the svg looks like it should go in icons/hicolor/scalable/apps
[17:40] <wxl> @teward001 oh master of all things askubuntu this question has an answer that's good for lxde and one that's good for lxqt.. they both should be combined in one answer. what's the best solution? edit the accepted answer? https://askubuntu.com/questions/81383/how-can-i-add-new-autostart-programs-in-lubuntu
 nope, just do nothing
 leave it alone
 if you want attach a bounty to the question and then award the bounty to the answer
 but no, don't edit existing questions to merge answers together, it breaks votes
 wxl: I tested all the combinations, no success
 we might have to create our own theme bases on epapirus. In that heme we only include the icons we want to change.
[19:06] <kc2bez> wxl: I tested usb-creator on xenial, bionic, disco, and eoan. All worked well for me, no issues. Do you need a comment somewhere?
[19:18] <wxl> @HMollerCl sigh. i wonder if freedesktop doesn't have an irc channel or mailing list...
[19:18] <wxl> @kc2bez: bug report please
[19:19] <kc2bez> ok will do
[20:38] <wxl> phew that was a rabbit hole https://askubuntu.com/questions/1159861/how-to-turn-off-cursor-blinking-in-lubuntu/1161329#1161329
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl sigh. i wonder if freedesktop doesn't have an irc channel or ma …], or someone who understand how icons work...
 I believe that the "canonical" form is to create our own theme.
 wxl: look at 5 here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
 All icons that are under the directory /usr/share/pixmaps don't need to have their full path specified, but their filename without the extension. For example, if the icon file is /usr/share/pixmaps/wallch.png, then the Icon field should be just 'wallch'. All other icons should have their full path specified.
 sigh! I tried putting in /usr/share/pixmaps & usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps
 but nothing
 papirus icon prevail
[22:00] <wxl> i know. frustrating.
 I moved to Lubuntu
[22:01] <wxl> congrats
 Last week.
 I know it doesnt have all apps, though I’ll find alternatives
 @wxl [<wxl> congrats], thanks
[22:02] <wxl> it has most things
[22:02] <wxl> and you can just look in discover for what's missing
[22:04] <wxl> @HMollerCl there's #freedesktop on IRC but i know you've got a firewall. another option is https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/freedesktop or MAYBE an issue on gitlab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdg-specs
 I will test making a whole theme that inherits E-papirus, I think that should be the cleanest way to proceed
[23:05] <wxl> my only concern is the same with the desktop entry.. then we have to track the changes
 Don't get it
 It will be a whole new theme, with a new package
[23:14] <wxl> well if you want to do it, i'm all for it hans but i'm not going to be responsible for it XD
 Lupirus-icon-theme
[23:46] <wxl> XD
 @HMollerCl [Lupirus-icon-theme], oO
[23:46] <wxl> sounds like a disease
 good name
 Lubuntu can be infectious.
 Like a smile of course. XD
 @wxl [<wxl> sounds like a disease], It's never lupus
 I will be severely disappointed if nobody gets that joke
[23:55] <wxl> no. lupus ain't funny.
[23:56] <wxl> looking further: house sucks.
 BAD
 House MD is great
[23:57] <wxl> you would
[23:57] <wxl> tfw when you click on something in the sidebar of know your meme you probably shouldn't have