[03:55] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:22] <EoflaOE> Hello lotuspsychje
[07:24] <luna> morning
[07:25] <EoflaOE> good morning
[07:27] <EoflaOE> how are you?
[07:29] <luna> alright
[07:31] <EoflaOE> .I am doing fine
[11:01] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:01] <EoflaOE> hi BluesKaj
[11:02] <BluesKaj> hi EoflaOE
[11:02] <EoflaOE> How was your day?
[11:04] <BluesKaj> having morning coffee atm, how about you?
[11:04] <EoflaOE> I am doing fine
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> hey EoflaOE
[11:08] <EoflaOE> Hello lotuspsychje
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: hows your UWN journey?
[11:09] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: Good
[11:09] <EoflaOE> How about you?
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> all good on this side tnx
[11:10] <EoflaOE> You're welcome. Thanks
[11:18] <BluesKaj> think I'll retire my rpi3, don't feel like mucking about with it atm
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> you would love a nuc BluesKaj
[11:19] <EoflaOE> BluesKaj: what is rpi3?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> EoflaOE, https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b/
[11:20] <EoflaOE> BluesKaj: Looking for that.
[11:21] <EoflaOE> You reminded me. I almost forgot about rpi.
[11:22] <BluesKaj> it's only weakness is the microsd cards which don't last very long due to the many read/writes it has to handle
[11:23] <EoflaOE> BluesKaj: OK.
[11:23] <BluesKaj> I had mine booting from the sdcard with the / files on a hdd, but after the last upgrade it no longer boots
[11:25] <BluesKaj> and I seldom use it anymore so I'll set it asibe for now
[11:25] <BluesKaj> aside
[11:25] <EoflaOE> BluesKaj: OK. I had one of my HDDs failed in 2018 because of 5 years.
[11:25] <EoflaOE> On my old PC
[11:26] <BluesKaj> the hdd here is ok , already checked it out
[11:27] <EoflaOE> Nice. Now, I have 1 spare HDD running on my old PC with Lubuntu 19.10, and on my new PC, I am using VBox to run Ubuntu 19.10.
[11:29] <BluesKaj> running Kubuntu 19.10 here on this pc
[11:29] <BluesKaj> I don't bother with VMs
[11:29] <EoflaOE> Very awesome.
[11:30] <BluesKaj> yeah, been a Kubuntu tester for the last 10yrs or so
[11:31] <EoflaOE> Nice. Since what Kubuntu version?
[11:32] <BluesKaj> since KDE4, but I used Kubuntu for 3 or 4 yrs previous to that
[11:33] <BluesKaj> think KDE4 was released in 2008
[11:34] <EoflaOE> Nice. I discovered Ubuntu in 2012 when I was 8, and actually used it in 2016.
[11:35] <BluesKaj> neat
[11:35] <EoflaOE> Thanks. I also joined Launchpad and #ubuntu in that usage year.
[11:39] <BluesKaj> not many bugs to report to launchpad on 19.10, it's very stable for dev OS
[11:40] <EoflaOE> Yes. It just got more stable. When you were testing Kubuntu, are you reporting bugs?
[11:41] <BluesKaj> sometimes, but usually one of the devs discovers them before I do
[11:42] <EoflaOE> Nice.
[11:47] <EoflaOE> BluesKaj: Do you know about irclogs.ubuntu.com?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> yes, but my client keeps channel logs right in my home dir
[11:50] <EoflaOE> My clients that I use keep logs, too.
[11:51] <BluesKaj> irc client that is, Konversation
[11:52] <EoflaOE> OK. I use the following clients: IRC for Android, mIRC (new PC, Windows), HexChat (old PC)
[11:53] <luna> i always use irssi
[11:54] <EoflaOE> luna: Nice, so irssi runs on the console. It is text-based. I have heard about it before, but used it for a few.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> hey luna, irssi is handy in emergencies. if I can't get to the desktop, but I haven't needed it in yrs
[11:56] <jeremy31> I use irccloud
[13:08] <Talikka> I use irssi and ircclud free. I don't know which one is better. I am a traditionalist.
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: what does this mean? Started Forward Password Requests to Plymouth Directory Watch.
[17:04] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: it's a service
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> never noticed that before
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> Started Show Plymouth Boot Screen. this yes
[17:06] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: see "systemctl cat systemd-ask-password-plymouth.path"
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> all kinds od weird things in his dmesg omg
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> smells like a test pc, randomly install all kinds of stuff mixed
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> apache, sql, clamav, bumblebee lol
[17:31] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: sorry, i missed your question here
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> no sweat tomreyn
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> i was thinking along with that dmesg
[17:31] <tomreyn> 31°C here, so yes, there's sweat ;)
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> loll
[17:32] <tomreyn> duo_ubuntu could certainly benefit from a more stretegic approach.
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> sounds like the nutty proffessor-dev installing tons of things at the time he thinks of it :p
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> then end up with a warzone pc
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> i also do that sometimes, but hey we try to solve bugs sometimes
[17:36] <tomreyn> it's ok to do this in a VM, but this is bare metal and seems to be his or her primary terminal
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> welcome fromBeyond
[18:08] <fromBeyond> hi lotuspsychje
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: do you use gnome on 19.04?
[18:12] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje: yes. When I work, I am using i3wm, so I can use my OS and an IDE (arange windows, with vim, debugger, etc.), but otherwise yes
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: but your current ubuntu is an upgrade from 18.04 to 19.04 correct?
[18:13] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje: yes correct.
[18:14] <fromBeyond> Perhaps i mispoke about gnome, because i am using gnome-terminal, and thought it implies "yes"
[18:14] <fromBeyond> (i am a long time user of ubuntu, but i am far from an expert on it)
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: did you try a fresh install 19.04 to compare system with mac/win?
[18:17] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje: The difference i mentioned before, was present also in 18.04. Meaning that on my ubuntu machine, the benchmark was running at roughly the same speed (8-10ms). When I updated to 19.04, i didn't do a clean install, I just upgraded.
[18:17] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje: but on windows, the same benchmark runs at 18-20 ms
[18:17] <fromBeyond> mentioned benchmark is purely computational, with multithreading
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: to upgrade like that its 18.04=>18.10=>19.04
[18:19] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje: I see. I did not know. I never upgraded before. I used 16 for a long time, than when i got a new machine i installed 18.04
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: can you tell us more of your system and its purpose? did you use gnome on 18.04 or i3 too?
[18:21] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje: I used i3 when working, and gnome otherwise
[18:21] <TJ->  fromBeyond  as I said earlier *profile* the program on those systems, that'll show you where time is taken
[18:21] <fromBeyond> my system is a dell xps 15.
[18:22] <fromBeyond> TJ-: Yes, I arranged to get the profiles from windows in this time
[18:22] <TJ-> fromBeyond: it could be due to the kernel's pre-empt/scheduling configuration, for example
[18:22] <fromBeyond> (we all have same machines, but others run windows)
[18:22] <fromBeyond> yes, i see
[18:23] <TJ-> There's no point spending time guessing at random; collect data, analyse it
[18:23] <fromBeyond> yes
[18:24] <fromBeyond> all benchmarks i have ever ran from our codebase, always work quite faster on my ubuntu machine, than on theirs
[18:24] <fromBeyond> recently i got the desire to understand why exactly this is happening
[18:24] <fromBeyond> i will collect the datafrom their machines
[18:25] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje: my machine is a dell cps 15. It has intel i7. I write c++ code, for real time mesh processing.
[18:27] <fromBeyond> I deal with algorithms, so all my benchmarks are purely computational (no graphics).
[18:27] <fromBeyond> i tried the benchmark on gnome, and got the same result, just as fast as in i3. No significant difference
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: you said you used 16.04 in the past? how was that compared as benchmark
[18:50] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje: 16.04 was a bit slower on the benchmarks, but not significantly. But there is a difference.
[18:50] <fromBeyond> will produce a graph, i have old results saved