[01:00] <dabblerdude> Hey everyone.
[01:01] <dabblerdude> Hey tomreyn, you were right about Lubuntu 18.04 LTS supporting OEM installation.
[01:03] <dabblerdude> Although, for some reason, I wasn't able to do an OEM install of 19.04. Upon starting up the 19.04 live image, I pressed a key multiple times, pressed F4, hit enter on OEM install, and as I went to go install, I went through the same process as with a regular lubuntu install.
[01:03] <tomreyn> dabblerdude: cool. i'm not sure whether it will be supported in 20.04 LTS, though, since lubuntu switched to calamares installer and it surely works differently. so this *might* have broken OEM installs. i don't know whether it did, though, or if it did, whether it has already been fixed.
[01:04] <dabblerdude> So nothing changed.
[01:05] <tomreyn> ah looks like we had the same though - wondering whether this will work in future releases.
[01:05] <dabblerdude> Lubuntu is making this whole thing complicated.
[01:05] <tomreyn> i guess that's something you could better test on a 19.10 pre-release snapshot iso rather than on 19.04.
[01:05] <dabblerdude> I'm just trying to install a linux distro on some computers with 4GB of RAM and Core 2 Duos.
[01:05] <dabblerdude> And sell them.
[01:06] <dabblerdude> Any suggestions for another OS?
[01:06] <tomreyn> you can always roll your own lubuntu installation
[01:06] <tomreyn> but if i was you i'd stick to LTS releases anyways
[01:06] <dabblerdude> I put on Lubuntu because for systems with less than 4GB of RAM, it runs extremely well.
[01:07] <dabblerdude> tomreyn: I was considering that, but then I got some opinions for staying with current releases.
[01:07] <dabblerdude> instead.
[01:07] <wxl> what about doing pxe boots and installing lubuntu-desktop?
[01:07] <dabblerdude> wxl: You mean, like a minimal installation?
[01:07] <wxl> yep
[01:08] <wxl> well
[01:08] <wxl> no
[01:08] <dabblerdude> I mean network install.
[01:08] <wxl> that's kind of a different ball of wax
[01:08] <wxl> yeah but it can be local
[01:08] <dabblerdude> Where you select the software you want to include in the OS.
[01:13] <dabblerdude> tomreyn, by rolling your own lubuntu installation, do you mean creating one?
[01:13] <dabblerdude> Actually, I may try Xubuntu.
[01:14] <dabblerdude> Xubuntu might work.
[01:15] <tomreyn> dabblerdude: you could respin the iso, preseed or just write your own tooling which replaces the default user account by one chosen by the user on first run.
[01:16] <dabblerdude> tomreyn: Yeah, but I'd rather pick something else. Since Ubuntu 19.04 uses GNOME now, doesn't that use less system resources than Unity?
[01:16] <tomreyn> apparently oem-config is part of ubiquity, so it will most likely not work with calamares. you could file a bug about this if you think relevant functionality is being lost by switching to calamares.
[01:16] <wxl> it's in the works
[01:17] <tomreyn> oh great :)
[01:17] <tomreyn> dabblerdude: gnome-shell, which is in use since before 18.04, is most definitely heavier than unity.
[01:17] <dabblerdude> tomreyn: Dang, I'll go with something else then. XD
[01:18] <tomreyn> dabblerdude: so, as wx1 just pointed out, oem functionality (which still works fine in 18.04) will be back to newer lubuntu releases soon,
[01:18] <dabblerdude> Yeah, 19.04 has been giving me some issues.
[01:19] <tomreyn> so i'm saying "use LTS"
[01:19] <dabblerdude> In fact, I'm running Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS right now.
[01:19] <tomreyn> users can always upgrade if they feel like it
[01:19] <dabblerdude> It's still stable.
[01:19] <tomreyn> it's also outdated
[01:19] <tomreyn> insecure
[01:19] <dabblerdude> tomreyn: I gotta remember it isn't Windows.
[01:20] <tomreyn> i think xubuntu still uses ubiquity.
[01:20] <tomreyn> i don't know what you're meaning to say there.
[01:20] <dabblerdude> I mean, Microsoft's Windows OSes last for more than 10+ years, typically, and still stay secure and updated.
[01:21] <wxl> "secure"
[01:21] <dabblerdude> It's not the same thing with Ubuntu LTS releases.
[01:21] <tomreyn> you like to compare apples with oranges apparently.
[01:21] <dabblerdude> Yes.
[01:22] <dabblerdude> I seem to be much of a Windows thinker.
[01:24] <dabblerdude> I just found out the system requirements for Xubuntu.
[01:25] <dabblerdude> 1GB of RAM and 20GB HDD space.
[01:25] <dabblerdude> Not bad compared to Ubuntu's.
[01:26] <tomreyn> that's lower than what i remember, and i last used it on 16.04
[01:26] <dabblerdude> Ubuntu now, requires 2GB of RAM and 25GB of HDD space.
[01:26] <tomreyn> but this is also the wrong channelt o discuss xubuntu
[01:26] <dabblerdude> My mistake.
[01:26] <dabblerdude> I'll head off of this for now.
[01:26] <dabblerdude> See ya guys later.
[01:27] <tomreyn> see yuo!
[01:33] <wxl> @tsimonq2: are you uploading things you land?
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[01:34] <wxl> yikes
[02:05] <Grobo> I just installed Lubuntu core on a minimal Ubuntu. The mouse is black and so are parts of the task bar. What package do I need to fix this?
[02:05] <Grobo> Is there a mouse-pointer package?
[02:20] <Grobo> Oh, I can't change the desktop color, either. I can set it but nothing happens
[02:26] <Grobo> I see a background at the login screen. After I log in, the background disappears.
[06:34] <TMiii> Hi guys, when I try to use the lubuntu installer I only have the choice to do manual partitioning and not to erase the whole disk like with e.g. the regular ubuntu installer
[06:34] <TMiii> Anybody know why this is?
[06:34] <TMiii> I tried the "sudo swapoff -a" as was mentioned in the install guide
[06:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> @TMiii: which lubuntu version ?
[06:35] <TMiii> 19.04
[06:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> Okay. You can try manually erasing your disk using kde partition manager. Then restart the installer. See if that works.
[06:38] <TMiii> I think i managed to solve it
[06:38] <TMiii> Had to unmount my drive
[06:40] <TMiii> There we go, installing :)
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