[00:00] It's 18.04.2 LTS. [00:00] hmm, it works for me, i'm also on 18.04.2 with the same shell [00:01] apt install bash lists 9 packages [00:01] Right, and the same here does absolutely nothing. [00:02] i got nothing too [00:02] friendofafriend: is it in your ~/.bashrc ? [00:02] Is what? [00:02] apt works [00:03] Right, apt and tab works here, also. [00:03] But not for the packages. [00:03] I've already done an apt update. [00:03] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RBK4KHHGHd/ [00:04] tomreyn: Yeah, same thing. [00:04] Is there some cache I could rebuild of packages, maybe? [00:04] apt update should rebuild apt's cache [00:05] if you ran apt clean this may explain it. [00:05] That returns nothing. [00:05] apt install bash[tab][tab] gives me 6 packages, so it works standard [00:06] friendofafriend: what returns nothing? [00:06] apt clean [00:06] Yes, I'm asking what provides that functionality. [00:06] that's normal. but i didn't suggest running it [00:07] < tomreyn> if you ran apt clean this may explain it. [00:07] That looks like a suggestion, to be fair. [00:07] i'm saying if you ran this command recently then this explains why you cannot use bash completion on apt install [00:07] It's not here or there, I'm just after *what* provides that autocompletion in apt. [00:07] maybe true, run apt update again? [00:08] I've run apt update several times. [00:08] i just ran "apt clean" and now havve no output on apt install bash [00:08] Cool, can someone help tomreyn fix that? [00:09] so my theory that you ran 'apt clean' recently, causing bash completion on apt install to fail could be correct. [00:10] (there could probably be other explanations, too.) [00:10] what happens after running apt update again, tomreyn ? [00:10] resume bash completion? [00:10] So, no, I've only run apt clean after you recommended it. [00:11] And it wasn't autocompleting package names before. [00:11] I've run apt update several times since. [00:11] yes, OerHeks [00:11] And it's still no dice. Where is apt getting that list of packages? [00:12] from apt repositories [00:12] What generates it?\ [00:12] apt does [00:13] When? [00:13] when you (or an automated process) run(s) "sudo apt update" [00:14] ...then it writes repo / package information into its cache and uses that until another apt update is requested. [00:14] And this is... pkgcache.bin? [00:14] ...or until "apt clean" is run [00:14] Is there any way to delete/destroy gnomes ability to annoy with "mouse battery empty" popup spam? This is extremely annoying... [00:14] friendofafriend: /var/lib/apt/ [00:15] So, for example. I run apt-config dump | grep -i pkgcache, I get back Dir::Cache::pkgcache ""; [00:15] Cool, can someone help friendofafriend fix that? [00:15] I look elsewhere, I see others find: Dir::Cache::pkgcache "pkgcache.bin"; [00:16] Did apt update correct your issue, tomreyn? [00:16] i had no issue here [00:17] Wow, Schrödinger's cat in the house. [00:17] i personally think the cat is alive [00:18] de-facto: there's bug 1798166 [00:18] bug 1798166 in linux (Ubuntu) "“Mouse battery low” notification appears even when all notifications disabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1798166 [00:18] (note also the link to the upstream bug tracker) [00:19] tomreyn, yes thats why i need to delete/destroy it, when it shows those messages i loose my mouse focus for a fraction of a second, its seriously harming my workflow [00:20] i did not fully read both bug reports, maybe they discuss workarounds [00:21] i already uninstalled gnome-power-manager but which made it disappear for a few days, but now the popup spam is back (i dont know why) [00:22] i dont need any gnome notifications ever, they are useless to me [00:23] de-facto: https://askubuntu.com/questions/909771/disable-all-gnome-notifications-gnome-3-20-4 [00:24] yeah i dont think gnome would care about its settings there [00:25] i think i have to delete an essential binary to make it go away [00:26] question is just which one? [00:26] you apparently haven't read both bug reports, yet [00:29] what do you mean? [00:35] I wish i could uninstall upower [00:35] maybe i could make a fake package so gnome thinks its dependencies are satisfied [00:36] i guess you could either mask the upower service or upgrade to a newer ubuntu release which comes with gnome 3.32 [00:37] 19.04 comes with gnome-shell 3.32 [00:38] there may also be gnome extensions you can use to filter notifications [00:41] i think the problem may be even deeper since it makes my mouse loose focus for a fraction of a second. i need to destroy what is at the root of this problem, i guess those popups are just the annoying symptoms [00:43] battery power .. we did discuss this before [00:44] yes again and again i just cant kill it, it came back from itself [00:50] when I do some gfx work in gimp the mouse looses the tool for a fraction of a second when that popup occurs, maybe its the mouse hw itself sending an battery event? i dont know how its done behind the scenes... [00:50] i now tried to forbid upower to poll the kernel, silence for now... we will see how long this holds this time [00:50] i am really getting mad about this === Oresrian is now known as stwalkerster [01:03] if i have 2GB ram, then i can’t use ubuntu desktop? [01:04] So when I try to run nginx, it reports that port 443 is in use. But as far as I can tell, nothing is listening on that port. netstat -tulnp | grep 443 shows nothing, fuser -k 443/tcp does nothing as well. === mnemonic is now known as Guest90115 [01:08] Hello, I'm using 18.04 and realized that the desktop is starting on tty2. If i switch to tty1 there is also a graphical dekstop. How can I set it to only start one graphical interface? [01:08] Or is this intended behavior? [01:09] there its back again, dang i will throw this mouse on a wall if this continues === zbenjamin is now known as Guest34953 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [01:14] worst thing is that it always appears in a row, like 3-5 popups and looses of focus [01:14] then silence for a while then popup spam again === subopt is now known as _subopt_in_repos [01:29] omg - a painless upgrade from 16.x to 18.04... Never had that before :). [01:30] sadlala: you can try ubuntu 18.04 LTS and 19.04 with 2GB RAM, but it most likely will be a bad experience. with 16.04, it should be ok. also with the current releases of several ubuntu !flavors [01:30] !flavors | sadlala [01:30] sadlala: Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours [01:30] thanks tomreyn [01:30] Thanks everyone for the help, especially tomreyn. Time for me to leave the channel again for now. [01:30] you're both welcome ;) [01:31] :) [01:31] slide: how about sudo lsof -i :443 [01:32] slide: another explanation for this message *could be* that it fails to bind to this port because it was not started with root permissions (which are required to bind to this port). [01:33] tomreyn, nothing from lsof [01:36] tomreyn, hmmm this webserver was running a while ago, and then the host had to restart it and thats when it stopped working I think. [01:36] Plus, it's the system install nginx package so I would think it would be able to listen. [01:36] sysifoss: yes, it's intended. tty1 isn't a desktop but the graphical login manager. [01:37] sysifoss: it is a side effect of switching to user (not root) owned / initialized X sessions [01:39] slide: what happens when you try to make something else bind to the port? e.g. sudo nc -lvvp 443 [01:39] tomreyn, that works =\ [01:40] so something is wrong with nginx startup apparently. did you check its logs? [01:40] systemctl status nginx and read up on the logs which may be mentioned there, too [01:41] alll i get is "bind() to 0.0.0.0:443 failed (98: Address already in use)" [01:42] maybe you just have overlapping or conflicting 'listen' directives [01:42] what mechanism does nginx use to be able to bind to low number ports? setcap? [01:43] http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_core_module.html#listen [01:43] i assume so, but don't actually know. [01:44] actually it probably has a root owned worker process which spawns children or drops privs after binding to privileged ports, loading ssl keys etc. [01:45] i don't have nginx running here currently [01:46] ss -tlnp sport = 443 [01:47] ok so I moved all sites out of sites-enabled folder except default and it worked.... I then moved them all back and it still worked... so i dont know [01:47] tomreyn, just so I understand, tty1 is only a login screen and then when i login to my user account it starts it up on tty2? [01:50] sysifoss: when you login on tty1 a new desktop session will be started on an unused tty [01:51] slide, something else may be bound to that address [01:51] sysifoss: the next lowest which is unused specifically [01:51] slide, have a look here --> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/nginx-is-unable-to-bind-to-443 [01:52] slide, I suggest you look up fuser manual before running it [02:08] Hi all. So I have a Ryzen Pro laptop with integrated graphics, and am getting lockups that appear to be coming from AMDGPU driver. Am running 18.04 with hwe stack. tomreyn and others have been very helpful, and suggested I try hwe-edge (kernel 5.0 family). Unfortunately, this made the problem drastically worse and it locks up much more quickly. I presume there are other fixes, e.g., in the 5.2 tree. At this point, I'm not sure what to [02:08] do. [02:09] I can etiher live with 2-3 lockups a day (hwe), or lockups within 10 mins of being in desktop (hwe-edge). Is there a way to try something newer? Would it help to report hwe-edge bugs? [02:10] s/I can either/I get to either/ === [b0b] is now known as b0b [02:14] I just installed lubuntu-core to a minimal system. The background and mouse are black. I can't set a background color for the desktop. What package do I need to add a mouse cursor and allow me to change the desktop color? [02:25] Is there a nice way to set a particular bg colour when I run `less`? [02:29] tomreyn, got it thank you! [02:49] Hello, i can't boot into any linux based OS, no matter what live USB linux I use I keep getting "BAD RIP VALUE" and "Kernel unable to handle paging request" https://i.imgur.com/O53lXL5.jpg , I have no idea what's going on. I've tried resetting BIOS to defaults, tries CSM compatiability mode, tried launching in UEFI and legacy bios. I haven't gotten [02:49] far and i've spent 4 hours on this so I am asking here [02:51] the imgur pic is loading slowly for me [02:52] is there a better place to upload a picture [02:52] it must be a great quality one [02:52] oh i guess its 4032x3024 [02:52] did you try using another usb flash drive? [02:53] no? but ive tried ubuntu 18.04 and 19.04 [02:53] i used an old usb flash drive and, it won't boot up [02:53] try a different one [02:54] whoa, you got a kernel panic [02:54] thats like the Blue Screen of Death for Windows [02:54] yea [02:55] well, i would use another USB flash drive to diagnose it [02:57] ok ill try that [02:59] is your internet connection good? [03:00] ? [03:01] !md5sum | TuxBlackEdo [03:01] TuxBlackEdo: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows === _subopt_in_repos is now known as subopt [04:28] can anyone help me? i can't get any Linux distro to boot up on my computer (already tried different media/updated my bios/reset my bios to defaults/tries legacy and uefi modes) https://imgur.com/a/0m9oO9D these are 3 pictures, Picture 1) Ubuntu 19.04 live cd 2) Arch Linux (latest) 3) Fedora.... Basically theres something hardware related that's not [04:28] letting me boot linux distros, the only OS that works is windows 10... :/ [04:40] Hi, I want to fix orientation of some of the images which are rotated 90 degress anticlockwise and want to fix their orientation. Can I do that to many of the images using command in bash? [04:41] Please note that all the images are not wrong only some of them have wrong orientation and I want to fix their orientation [04:46] dars: you could use convert [04:47] https://askubuntu.com/questions/591733/rotate-images-from-terminal === Mechanismus is now known as LabMonkey [05:06] Hey lotuspsychje - Not a thing to main :( [05:56] hi all [05:56] how i can change owner of a folder witch owned by user with root administrator [05:57] i use chown -R username but owner of a folder not change [05:59] mahdi_ja, you might need to use sudo to do that. sudo chown -R username [05:59] mahdi_ja: Show us the complete command and the path to the target directory. [05:59] as long as you have sudo priveledges [06:00] i first use sudo -i [06:00] and then use chown command [06:01] sudo chown inanzzz:sftp -R /sftp/mahdi/upload [06:01] mahdi_ja: what does "ls -ld /sftp/mahdi/upload" give? [06:01] I would recommend against using sudo -i [06:01] sudo chown mahdi:sftp -R /sftp/mahdi/upload [06:04] drwxrwxrwx 1 m1 m1 [06:05] why are you changing the group to sftp? [06:06] Mechdave, i use this tutorial for createing sftp server [06:06] Mechdave, http://www.inanzzz.com/index.php/post/ef2z/setting-up-a-sftp-server-and-users-on-ubuntu-16-04 [06:08] this tutorial says a main folder must owned by root [06:08] but i can not change folder owner to root [06:09] and the owner of folder exitst to which user created this [06:09] Ok, so it should be sudo chown -R root:sftp /sftp/mahdi/upload [06:20] Hello... struggling with an NFS export issue on Ubuntu [06:20] I have two directories /abc/m1 and /abc/m2 [06:20] both are individual mount points [06:20] when I export /abc via NFS, contents of m1 and m2 are not visible on the nfs client [06:21] not sure what I am missing.. plz help, tx [06:24] i don't know whats a nfs === cixx_ is now known as cixx [06:55] <`whoami`> Good $time_of_the_day, is there an easy way to list all text-based tools ? -- stuff that run in terminal [06:56] <`whoami`> i mean, search with apt, but only filter stuff that run in console [06:56] <`whoami`> if that makes sense.. [06:56] sudo apt-cache seach nameofprogram [06:56] search* [06:57] is that what your looking for? [06:57] `whoami`: no [06:57] `whoami`: you can script it with ldd [06:58] `whoami`: grepping out binaries linked with gui libs [06:58] `whoami`: this will also remove some false negatives :> [06:58] good luck! [06:58] <`whoami`> ah, interesting. tyvm, gonna take a look [06:58] <`whoami`> thanks :) [07:01] <`whoami`> fling: but i'll only be able to run ldd against installed stuff, right ? [07:01] `whoami`: right [07:01] <`whoami`> so it means i might have to install a whole bunch of packages to make the test [07:01] <`whoami`> mhmh [07:01] `whoami`: or script it with your package manager to check for deps [07:02] <`whoami`> ok. sounds more complicated than what i first thought :) === LabMonkey is now known as Mechanismus === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ === im0nde_ is now known as im0nde [07:55] Hello there. [07:55] Hi [08:19] I installed linux-image and header from github , its nessesary for my soundcard to work propherly. I get this anoying message in boot : vmlinuz-* has invalig signature. Is there an easy solution without turning off secureboot? I run ubuntustudio18.04 [08:27] @cjoke I don't think there's a way around it. [08:27] hi [08:28] Without secureboot third party repositories are allowed. [08:28] With secureboot you cannot use them because secureboot sees them as threat. [08:32] cjoke: See: http://blog.cyphermox.net/2017/08/how-to-sign-things-for-secure-boot.html . [08:32] Thanks guys, Ill check it out. [10:01] Good morning, I connected to my AVM dsl-router, a USB MFP printer to be able to use it on a remote location. The dsl-router has opened port 9100 for the AppSocket / HP JetDirect service. Then I configured, on an Ubuntu workstation with CUPS installed, a new printer by entering the IP address of the router and its port 9100 and I was able to print c [10:01] orrectly. My problem instead concerns the use of the integrated scanner function through the xsane program, I added in the file /etc/sane.d/xerox_mfp.conf the string tcp my-router-ip-address 9100 but it doesn't work [10:08] port 9100 in an MFP printer, should it be used only for print function or can it also be used to access the scanner function? === jmcgnh_ is now known as jmcgnh === Wryhder is now known as Lucas_Gray [10:57] I noticed ubuntu 18.04 base installation is a total size of 2 gigabytes. is there a way to reduce it to below 1 gigabyte? [10:58] bit of an odd one - I have a HP screen and a Ubuntu laptop, when I plug in the screen the laptop recognises it has a monitor plugged in but the screen doesn't, this is over HDMI, anyone seen something like this before? [10:59] kex: unfortunately the only time i have ever seen that, the cause was a dead monitor [10:59] i had to replace it [11:00] huh, weird. I just tried the USB C connector on the screen - the screen registers when that is plugged in but the laptop doesn't, doh [11:02] Hello, I accidentally pressed ctrl+ and I am unable to type anything on my terminal. I am inside a screen at the momen [11:16] close it and reopen it? [11:21] Hi folks [11:33] ramsub07: you probably pressed ctrl+s which causes the terminal to stop updating. press ctrl+q to continue [11:39] bf_: i find 2 GB to already be veryy, very little. maybe you can go even lower with debootstrap and a compressed file system. [11:39] bf_: what makes you want this? [11:40] thank you tomreyn, unfortunately I am hitting a hard limit in terms of size due to the rescue system. I am automating the setupof of encrypted hdd with dropbear remote unlocking in the hetzner environment and they don't give me more than 1gb space [11:40] *in the rescue system [11:41] I have learned that debootstrap is an alternative, but I am also considering switching to arch linux if I have to use debootstrap / remote install anyways [11:44] bf_: i'm not sure what the hard size limit is on this rescue system (i do know hetzners installation service and would always use debootstrap there). [11:45] debootstrap is not realloy 'remote install', you can do it from the recovery system. === morphis0 is now known as morphis [12:10] greetings [12:12] i am debugging an issue in our project that only happens during the release build for the .deb package. My problem is, I can't find the exact build env. parameters used by looking at the rules file (or any other really). files can be seen here https://github.com/ethereum/solidity/blob/develop/scripts/release_ppa.sh#L157 [12:13] basically, I know the command line causing a compilation error, but I don't know what initial build setup/settings lead to it using those parameters [12:15] My user is a member of several groups in /etc/group but when I issue $groups command it only shows the group with my username? How do I fix this? [12:15] I need to use minicom which requires membership in dialout and it is there, but not working [12:16] jujubee: did you logout and login since editing the users' groups? [12:17] yes, several times [12:17] are you using a graphical desktop on this system? [12:17] when I log in, the groups shows I am member of dialout but I get an error about no permissions. [12:17] i want to run 'apt-get -f autoremove --purge' to get rid of a bunch of unneeded initrd images in /boot/ on my ubuntu 16.04 server, however it throws something like 'Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-138-generic)' and so 'linux-image-4.4.0-138-generic' fails and thus the autoremove command fails. any way to fix this? [12:17] Yes using xfce [12:18] this may be bug 1781418 [12:18] bug 1781418 in kwallet-pam (Ubuntu) "User not being initialized correctly on login" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1781418 [12:19] same error happens on 'apt-get upgrade' [12:19] jujubee: see also the duplicate report, which describes the situation form a different perspective. [12:20] Thanks tomreyn reading now... [12:20] noudle: touch /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-138-generic [12:21] lol [12:21] let me try [12:21] noudle: alternatively, if you have enough space available now, apt install --reinstall linux-image-4.4.0-138-generic [12:21] this would be the better approach [12:22] already did the forst, sec [12:22] *first [12:22] did work, ty [12:24] tomreyn commenting out in pam.d file worked. Thanks [12:27] jujubee: which ubuntu version are you running there? maybe you could add yourself to "affects me" on top of the bug report, so it gets a bump in priority. [12:28] tomreyn using xubuntu and I did "affects me". [12:29] hi there, does anyone know this : ( LTS 18.04 ) running a tkinterwindow as root shows the right fonts, running as normal user its ugly .. [12:29] or how to get around this problem [12:30] jujubee: which xubuntu version then? [12:31] 18.04 [12:31] jujubee: okay, and it's fully updated? because there were hopes this might already be fixed [12:33] yes, fully updated [12:33] thanks [12:33] np [12:36] Marenz: /join #ubuntu-app-devel for lack of a more suitable channel, i guess. [12:38] thanks for the hint [12:55] when i run python -m tkinter , i get ugly fonts [12:55] when running sudo python -m tkinter , the ugly fonts are gone [12:56] any one has tips on how to run as normal user and get "good" fonts ? [13:00] hey, i have a question. what are the limitations to linux when it comes to reading ntfs filesystems? i have a 1tb hard drive that is my data drive in a dualboot pc. [13:01] i want to use it with linux and winodws [13:01] currently it is formatted ntfs [13:02] NTFS will work for both === stwalkerster is now known as Oresrian === Makaveli is now known as Guest70906 [13:04] ok thanks, BluesKaj === Makaveli is now known as Guest85942 [13:05] just make sure your sharing oermissions are setup for your user(s) [13:05] permissions even [13:09] ok, thanks [13:14] i can still reformat the drive as i didn't put any important data on it [13:14] what filesystem would be better for both operating systems [13:14] i think i'd want a journal for safety [13:16] lawnmowerman: NTFS is the only journaled filesystem that Windows can read/write out of the box. [13:24] Hello guys [13:25] so I had a question [13:25] is launchpad able to build with python 3 ? [13:25] because I got this error from build log [13:25] dh clean --with python3dh: unable to load addon python3: Can't locate Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/python3.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Debian::Debhelper::Sequence::python3 module) [13:26] dalist22: /join #launchpad and /topic [13:26] okay, thanks [13:26] you're welcome. [13:37] hello [13:40] hi artur1 [13:43] hi all [13:44] hello klaus_ [13:44] my cpu scaling doesn't seem to work anymore after waking up from sleep, i was wondering if this was a known problem and where to start looking to fix this [13:45] hi tomreyn [13:46] i use tlp, my cpu frequency is normaly 2.7ghz (it's a laptop) i scale it to 800mhz usualy. it works fine as long as the computer doesn't go to sleep, then when i wake it up it's always 2.7ghz, no more scaling apparently [13:47] klaus_: ACPI issue most likely; see https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html [13:47] klaus_: are you saying that cpu scaling used to work after waking from sleep, but no longer does? if so, which changes have you made which may have caused this to change? and which ubuntu version are oyu on? [13:48] tomreyn: no as far as i can tell, on this install (ubuntu 19.04 disco dingo) it never worked after coming back from sleep [13:49] TJ-: thanks for the link, i'm reading [13:50] tomreyn: i'm just saying it works from initial boot until the first sleep, then after that it doesn't scale no more [13:50] klaus_: thanks for clarifying. also consider a mainboard firmware upgrade. but TJ's great article will probably help you work around it. [13:51] tomreyn: this laptop is a macbookpro (12,1 early 2015) there's no accessible bios or update available of any kind as far as i know [13:52] only when you run OS X on it bare metal, i guess. [13:53] TJ-: so the fix is having passing an argument to the kernel to make linux to pretend to himself he's "windows 2015" ? :) [13:53] hhhm, not sure if ACPI works the same way on Macs [13:53] but they will most likely not have improved the firmware to be more compatible to other OS. [13:53] -having [13:54] klaus_: I don't think the strategy will work on a Mac since I doubt, even if it has an ACPI DSDT, it has "Windows" strings in it [13:54] i run it single OS install, just linux [13:55] klaus_: the method relies on the way most (non Apple) PCs hard-code Windows version strings into the ACPI DSDT of the firmware [13:55] klaus_: I doubt Apple does that :) [13:57] Apple dosent do that sadly [13:59] klaus_: i'd be interested in the output of this, though: sudo strings -n5 /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr | nc termbin.com 9999 [14:00] it may just report an error about /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT not existing [14:01] TJ-: here's the content of /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dZXfxt2WZv/ [14:01] tomreyn: i try you suggestion now [14:02] tomreyn: https://termbin.com/qrcv [14:03] klaus_: I think we'd make better progress to look at a kernel log that captures the suspend/resume cycle [14:03] i didn't know about "| nc termbin.com 9999", it's nice [14:04] TJ-: i woke up the computer about an hour ago, if you tell me what to copy/paste, i'll try ? [14:04] klaus_: thanks. so there are "Windows 2009" and "Windows 2012" at least, but keep working with TJ, he knows *a lot* more about ACPI than i do. [14:05] tomreyn: you spotted Windows strings? huh, I must have missed those [14:05] tomreyn: thanks for telling [14:05] TJ-: yes, those two occur twice. [14:06] you also have "_OSI`" and "\_OSI`" [14:07] tomreyn: well how about that! I wonder why Apple would include those [14:08] i think apple supports or did support multi-booting with windows at some point. [14:09] in which case ... klaus_ it might be worth trying: acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2012" on the kernel command-line, but first lets try to grab a kernel log [14:09] there's this thing called 'boot camp' i never tried it but it's apple offcialy supporting mac user to install natively windows on their mac. apple provide a package with all the necessary drivers [14:09] klaus_: "journalctl -k --since='2 hours ago' | nc termbin.com 9999" [14:09] TJ-: ok i try that [14:10] TJ-: https://termbin.com/fqz0 [14:13] klaus_: no clues there; try the acpi_osi entries on the kernel command-line [14:14] TJ-: ok, i will do that, update grub, reboot, then go to sleep, wake up, and come back here doing a "journalctl -k --since='2 hours ago' | nc termbin.com 9999" if that's ok ? [14:17] instead of editing /etc/default/grub and running update-grub you can alternatively set those kernel parameters just for the coming boot from the grub menu. that's if you can get there easily. [14:17] !kernelparm [14:17] To add a one-time or permanent kernel boot parameter see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters [14:17] klaus_: well, yes, but just checking if the governer is letting the CPU 'go slow' would be the best test :) [14:18] TJ-: yes, i check with cat/proc/cpuinfo |grep -i mhz [14:18] if it works it reports 800mhz, if it doesn't then it's 2.7gz [14:18] ghz [14:19] ok here's my grub line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2012\"" [14:20] i update grub and reboot, brb [14:22] does "text" interfere with UEFI FB handover sometimes? i thought someone said it could, and thus you should just use "nosplash" and not "quiet" instead. [14:24] hey guys [14:25] TJ-: no dice .. https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/KQT9ZqF4Zt/ [14:25] and [14:25] wow [14:25] journalctl -k --since='30 minutes ago' | nc termbin.com 9999 --> https://termbin.com/24vo [14:25] this is the first time i have ever seen an active IRC community! [14:26] my email ralfbenedictflores@gmail.com [14:26] !ot | ralf98 [14:26] ralf98: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [14:26] ph [14:26] oh [14:26] ok [14:26] sry [14:27] d [14:28] klaus: the only thing that *may* be related there are the ACPI errors around "ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed \_SB.PCI0.WTLT" - not sure what the WTLT is though but it looks to be on the PCI root complex, so possibly won't be related to CPU governer [14:30] TJ-: ok, thanks for the help anyway [14:30] do you think i should try to report a bug somewhere ? [14:31] klaus: what does this report? "grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy*/*governor*" [14:32] TJ-: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/MqqhRhXkGF/ [14:33] it says powersave but won't apply scaling, somehow [14:33] klaus: how about the actual values: " grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0/* " [14:34] klaus: scaling_{min,max}_freq should be a big clue [14:34] TJ-: https://termbin.com/danu [14:36] klaus: so the min/max are identical and the current is above max. Can you get those same reports from a fresh boot to confirm that _max_ should be higher, I'd expect it to be the same as cpuinfo_max_freq [14:37] yes about the min-max being identical, i think thiis part is from me in tlp [14:38] i specificaly tells it to stays at minimum (tlp-stat says it's 500mhz so i set that, but in practice it's 800mhz as a result) [14:39] i've set in tlp: scaling max frq = 500mhz [14:40] klaus: earlier you showed a pastebin with it reporting 800MHz, was that due to a different TLP settings? [14:40] so unless i disable tlp, even from a fresh boot, with scaling working, the output of /system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0/* would still be the same about min-max [14:41] TJ-: no, like i was saying, tlp-stat reports my min freq is 500mhz, so i set that, but i've never seen my cpu at 500mhz, in pratice the minimum is always 800mhz [14:42] hold on, i show you my tlp-stat output [14:42] hi guys, what is the quickest way to uninstalled snap packages [14:42] TJ-: https://termbin.com/wura [14:44] baako: snap must have uninstall methods like for apt/dpkg [14:44] baako: yes i just looked: snap command support install, list, remove [14:45] so snap list, to check the package name you want to remove, then : snap remove that_package_name [14:46] i never use snap by the way.. i'm just saying this because it seems logical to me that way [14:48] klaus: not sure this will help but it seems related (inversely!), comment #9 especially as a workaround there: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=236997 [14:48] baako: sudo snap remove snap-name [14:48] TJ-: thanks for the link, i read [14:51] TJ-: i have no idea what PROHOT is and how to do that: disable BD PROCHOT via msr-tools [14:52] although i want to keep system at minimum, not accelerate it, but still it could be worth checking enabling/disabling those stuff to see what happens [14:54] klaus: I don't think it applies in your case directly. That acronym means "Bi-Directional PROCessor HOT" [14:54] klaus: it's a thermal control so hopefully unrelated to your issue [14:56] TJ-: maybe it gets disabled when i wake up (so i get full speed)? if so i need to re-enable it (to lower speed again), what do you say ? [14:57] i'm trying to look about that "enable/disable BD PROCHOT via msr-tools" action i'd like to try but, it seems a bit complicated, it involve memory addresses and values in hexadecimal [14:57] klaus: this seems to be a bug in the intel_pstate driver [14:58] klaus: I'd recommend not messing with the MSR; I highly doubt it will help your situation [14:58] TJ-: ok then i won't touch it [14:59] (thanks for the warning :) [15:03] klaus: I've just looked at all the commits to intel_pstate.c since 5.0 in case there was an obvious bug-fix, but I don't see anything [15:04] klaus: I suggest as a final check to test the latest Ubuntu mainline kernel build to see if that behaves the same way. If it is OK then somewhere in the commit history is a fix. [15:04] !mainline | klaus [15:04] klaus: The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [15:07] TJ-: good idea, i'm in 5.0, i see here 5.2.4 seems available: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.2.4/ [15:08] TJ-: or do you think i should try directly 5.3-rc2 ? [15:09] i'll go 5.3rc2 first :) [15:10] klaus: latest first is always best :) [15:12] TJ-: yep :) [15:13] time to reboot and go *kaBoom* latest kernel [15:17]