[02:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[08:09] <marcoagpinto> Hi!
[08:16] <luna> hi
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[11:31] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:32] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj!!!!!
[11:32] <marcoagpinto> Hello my dear brother!
[11:32] <marcoagpinto> >:) <- it is me, the cola demon
[11:33] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[12:08] <marcoagpinto> over an hour to install a MS update :(
[12:18] <BluesKaj> their repos are always too busy for a fast DL, one of the major reasons why i dropped Windows, constantly updating and using up resources.
[12:19] <BluesKaj> tuesday, the MS update/upgrade day
[12:27] <marcoagpinto> yes
[12:27] <marcoagpinto> but now they also update on other days
[12:27] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:27] <marcoagpinto> it has happened
[12:29] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:43] <EoflaOE> Hello BluesKaj
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hi EoflaOE
[12:44] <EoflaOE> BluesKaj: How are you doing?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> ok here  EoflaOE, and you?
[12:45] <EoflaOE> I am doing well
[16:25] <immu> hi all
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> hi
[16:26] <immu> hi @lotuspsychje
[16:27] <immu> hi @BluesKaj
[16:27] <immu> how many are running on the wayland session
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> not me
[16:29] <BluesKaj> hi immu, wayland is still out of the picture for me on kde/plasma
[16:38] <immu> @lotuspsychje, i tried installing 18.04 LTS but i found it to be slow and a gedit error made me move to 19.04
[16:39] <immu> @BluesKaj, why so?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> immu, can you read "buggy"  :-)
[16:40] <BluesKaj> immu, no need for @ on irc
[16:41] <tomreyn> with gnome-shell, wayland is mostly usable, but there are some issues, still, including performance issues.
[16:43] <immu> BluesKaj, oh yes i forgot lol
[16:44] <immu> brb switching to X
[16:46] <immu> BluesKaj i am back
[16:47] <immu> X is better as on Wayland synaptic won't launch
[16:48] <tomreyn> immu: try running it with pkexec
[17:04] <immu> tomreyn, i have switched to X session
[17:06] <tomreyn> ok
[17:11] <immu> nice to see people here talking
[17:17] <Walex> it will take another 5 years for Wayland/Weston to be usable.
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> oO
[17:22] <pragmaticenigma> I don't think it will take 5 years to be usable... The hardest part of the adoption to Wayland is the graphics drivers, which the proprietary ones haven't been fast on updating to support Wayland
[17:27] <immu> how many are upgrading to 19.10?
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> immu: 19.10 is still in developing
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> immu: aka, not yet reccomended to upgrade
[17:31] <immu> when it arrives that is?
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> immu: ubuntu codenames contain the year and month
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> immu: 19 . 10  2019, october
[17:38] <immu> thanks lotuspsychje
[17:40] <immu> anyplace where we can track the development of 19.10
[17:40] <nacc> immu: #ubuntu+1
[17:41] <immu> nacc, thanks
[17:44] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: thanks for the OMG link about gnome-software
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> np TJ-
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> if anyone wants, i got a flooding ##techrss where alot of linux/ubuntu news going
[17:45] <TJ-> Might make things easier if these are compartmentalised (deb vs snap) but the article seems to be suggesting gnome-software might be completely dropped
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> really unsure where they will head
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> ermine & flamingo might tell :p
[17:48] <TJ-> It looks like more NIH/walled-garden/pay-us type strategy
[18:12] <tomreyn> yes, sadly
[18:16] <EoflaOE> hi tomreyn
[18:16] <tomreyn> and hi EoflaOE
[18:16] <immu> both gnome and ubuntu devs are fighting for snap
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> hey EoflaOE
[18:18] <EoflaOE> hi lotuspsychje
[18:19] <tomreyn> TJ-: which article did you read there? this one? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Snap-Store-Start
[18:21] <tomreyn> oh you said "OMG link", so probably omgubuntu.co.uk
[18:26] <immu> brb boys
[18:44] <bittin> Do the Ubuntu Desktop Team, still has irc meetings at this time?
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> !meetings
[18:45] <ubot5> Team meetings are held in #ubuntu-meeting - See « /msg ubot5 logs » for transcripts.
[18:47] <bittin> lotuspsychje: seems to be silent there, maybe its canceled this week as people are on the sprint in Canad?
[18:47] <bittin> *Canada
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> not sure sorry
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> dont participate myself
[18:47] <bittin> same only saw it on the Fridge Calendar
[18:47] <bittin> but people are 20 minutes late, so guess it might be canceled
[18:48] <tomreyn> they hold their meetings in their -desktop channel: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-07-30-13.34.moin.txt
[18:48] <tomreyn> it took place some hours ago
[18:48] <bittin> tomreyn: ah guess my Google Calender import imported it the wrong timezone or they moved it then oh well thanks
[18:49] <bittin> tomreyn: lotuspsychje: Watching Macbreak Weekly now, but bookmarked to read later
[18:50] <tomreyn> bittin: yw. their previous meeting (last week) took place around the same time of day.
[18:56] <immu> what kernel version are they tracking for 19.10
[18:56] <sarnold> version '5.2.0-9.10' is in -proposed
[18:57] <immu> anyplace where we can track development of 19.10
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> immu: nacc already told you
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> immu: did you forget already?
[18:58] <immu> the channel
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> yes
[18:58] <immu> yeah i joined that
[18:58] <immu> i meant like a website?
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> immu: the schedule is in the topic
[18:59] <immu> lotuspsychje, thanks done
[19:00] <immu> sorry for the trouble the excitment gets me sometimes
[19:00] <sarnold> immu: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/eoan-changes/
[19:01] <immu> thanks sarnold
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> immu: planning to install at release?
[19:02] <immu> yup lotuspsychje q
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> cool
[19:03] <immu> u lotuspsychje
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> immu: we have alot of 19.10 testers already saying it works like a charm on 5.2
[19:05] <EoflaOE> I am doing 19.10 on both my old PC and a vm in a new one
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> hows your finding EoflaOE ?
[19:06] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: I found one issue related to "Show Details" about Firefox that says "Unable to find firefox.desktop"
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: think i saw a bug on that
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> or was that yours?
[19:07] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: I have reported it to Launchpad.
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> ah right, thats why :p
[19:09] <EoflaOE> Yes.
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: did it get confirmed yet?
[19:09] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: Looking at the bug report and coming back.
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox ermine
[19:10] <ubot5> 'ermine' is not a valid distribution: bionic, bionic-backports, bionic-proposed, cosmic, cosmic-backports, cosmic-proposed, disco, disco-backports, disco-proposed, eoan, eoan-backports, eoan-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> 68.0.1+build1-0ubuntu2
[19:12] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: The status of my bug report is confirmed.
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> cool
[19:13] <EoflaOE> So the bug affected multiple users. And it's confirmed. Thanks
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> whats the ID again EoflaOE ?
[19:14] <EoflaOE> ID: eofla | Name: EoflaOE
[19:14] <daftykins> bug number
[19:14] <tomreyn> bug 1837392
[19:14] <ubot5> bug 1837392 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) ""unable to find firefox.desktop" when clicking "Show Details" on the Firefox menu (top)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1837392
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> tnx :p
[19:14] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: You are welcome
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: did you test this on other packages like #2 says, vlc for example?
[19:16] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: Currently not, since I didn't install affected packages yet.
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> kk
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: just tested on a VM
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> also affected here
[19:19] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: With which apps?
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: well its on a live, just tested FF
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> lets cee others
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> *see
[19:20] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: OK, return me a list of affected packages when finished.
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: thunderbird also not
[19:24] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: Then there is a problem on Ubuntu Software (gnome-software) then.
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: livepatch, same
[19:27] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: OK. Any other packages like GIMP?
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: im on a live
[19:29] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: OK.
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> my gnome seems not to like gnome-boxes too much lol
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> freezes the vm after a while
[19:35] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: Is this considered a bug?
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> not sure yet, think things went better when i actually installed 19.10 in gnome-boxes, not as a live
[19:38] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: OK. I will test Ubuntu Budgie 19.10 on a second VM on my new PC and see if there are bugs.
[20:16] <EoflaOE> Hello Bashing-om
[20:17] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: Good day to you :)
[20:18] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: Thanks. How is your day?
[20:20] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: Well - considering our house electric situation - and no AC and the heat of summer and my COPD condition -- So long as I can irc, not to shabby at all :P
[20:21] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: OK. In the morning in my timezone, the electricity kept going on/off from 10:00 AM until 11AM
[20:22] <EoflaOE> On 10 min, Off 15 min, on 5 min, and so on...
[20:29] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: Majorpain . ^ happend here I have to go and re-do my bios settings as all reverts back to defaults.
[20:30] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: I usually plug off both my PCs on the night and replug them on the morning. When the electricity is gone, both PCs survive, and won't reset anything in the BIOS to defaults.
[20:34] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: I get the house fuse tomorrow - then see what all the damage from low voltage is :(
[20:35] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: Do you have voltage regulator? I have one.
[20:38] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: Battewry died in my UPS - have not replaced it to this time .
[20:38] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: When you can, replace.
[20:41] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: That is the plan :)
[20:42] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: OK.