[03:17] <Meddle> Is there a supported way to use several windows manager on ubuntu studio? I would like some logins to use specific window managers. Thanks in advance
[08:02] <jose43> hola alguien habla español
[08:02] <jose43> bueno dejo la consulta por si alguien me puede ayudar...
[08:03] <jose43> tengo una maudio mtrack que usa el mismo driver que la maudio mtrack plus
[08:03] <jose43> es de 24bits y 48000
[08:03] <jose43> tengo problemas con el driver para ubuntu studio
[08:04] <jose43> la tarjeta la reconoce
[08:04] <jose43> funciona
[08:04] <jose43> pero no con los 24 bits
[08:04] <jose43> muchas gracias a quien pueda ayudarme
[11:14] <studiobot> Johannes Menzel was added by: Johannes Menzel
[11:18] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> Hello there, I just updated my system using the 18.04 lts backports ppa and noticed it really conflicts with the kxstudio ppa since then, cadence and catia were removed. Seems like there were dedicated ubuntustudio versions, but why and how? Before the backports solution kxstudio and ubuntustudio worked together very well. Many th
[11:18] <studiobot> anks in advance, Hannes.
[11:28] <M_aD> @Johannes Menzel it isn't recommended to add the kxstudio ppa because after that you simply don't have Ubuntu Studio anymore. It's not supported either here.
[11:31] <M_aD> @Johannes Menzel thus reinstall Ubuntu Studio 18.04 and add the backports ppa to be sure to keep a clean, working system without any issues.
[11:33] <M_aD> also from what Eickmeyer said on facebook a while ago: "KXStudio repos are known to cause problems with Ubuntu Studio installs."
[11:37] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> Actually I had ubuntustudio with all the metapackages but replacing the jack setup with cadence working quite well. But I got the message and understand that you can't support this kind of setup. So, thank you very much.
[14:58] <studiobot> Fábio Formiga was added by: Fábio Formiga
[17:37] <OvenWerks> @Johannes Menzel Cadence does work quite well there is no doubt. But... if things do go wrong with it, it is very hard to trouble shoot as it does not turn off easily and is almost impossible to remove with out manually removing the extra files it adds to your system
[17:38] <OvenWerks> the ubuntustudio-controls utility has been designed from the bottom up to leave the system as in stock when removed or even just truned off.
[17:39] <OvenWerks> *turned
[19:05] <susiantero> Hello. My display settings gets lost suddenly when I start or restart my computer. Why? "I dindu nuffin'"
[21:21] <susiantero> Hello. My display settings gets lost suddenly when I start or restart my computer. Why? "I dindu nuffin'"
[22:19] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> Yes, it used to work quite well until the cadence package started conflicting with these ubuntustudio-* packages. Just trying to understand now how to setup the system, if this is the hard way to tell: don't use the kxstudio ppa. And to distinguish between these (since you have carla and other apps packaged). Just little confused
[22:19] <studiobot> now, but I think I'll get it running somehow.
[22:20] <Eickmeyer> !kxstudio | @Johannes Menzel
[22:21] <Eickmeyer> @Johannes Menzel: The conflicting is intentional because Cadence and Ubuntu Studio Controls conflict in operation completely.
[22:42] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> Thanks to all human beings in this chat for the clarification, all other I'd like to ask if you dream of electric sheeps.
[22:42] <OvenWerks> @Johannes Menzel in general all other packages on kxstudio besides Cadence should install work. If you wish to use Cadence anyway, then remove Ubuntustudio-controls. I am not sure what the advantages of one over the other are aside from -controls allows USB mics to be used with internal audio out easily
[22:42] <OvenWerks> I find -controls easier to use... but I am somewhat biased  ;)
[22:44] <OvenWerks> Of course the big thing is that none of us here "know" Cadence that well and as such can not support it's use... or indeed the use of any of the kxstudio packages, even those we have our own versions of.
[22:45] <OvenWerks> This is much the same as Ardour.org does not support finding or fixing bugs in the ubuntustudio version of Ardour.
[22:46] <OvenWerks> Should you choose to use the kxstudio packages that is ok too, but that would mean this channel would not be the right place to come for support for those packages.
[23:04] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> I very much appreciate your detailed clarification, although I think I got the point about the support question. I actually didn't ask for support for any kxstudio applications, even if I wonder why the development is such unaligned when most of the project get used here. Anyway, I also didn't ask just to complain. I just ask why
[23:04] <studiobot> you (intentionally) made it conflicting with e.g. cadence at EOL of bionic SbLTS, and what I furthermore would like to know how and if I on the one hand could use the US metapackages and kxstudio or one the other hand why I shouldn't do that at all (third question could be why updating is removing cadence even if you state it can't be removed witho
[23:04] <studiobot> ut leaving a lot of garbage, but this seems to be another question).
[23:06] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> But at last if want to state that I'm actually really happy seeing all of you doing this great stuff, and even if I wish linux audio development would be a little more streamlined, I very much appreciate your work on the bigger project, so thanks!
[23:09] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> If I seemed a little nervous it's just because you answered some questions I didn't even asked.
[23:10] <OvenWerks> No problem. Yes removing Cadence when it effectively can't be removed is a good question
[23:11] <OvenWerks> The problem is in two areas.
[23:14] <OvenWerks> One) in order to auto start a file has to be added to /etc/xdg/autostart/ which can be removed by a package remove (where controls autostarts from). Cadence chose not to do that but rather, when the user chooses to have Cadence do things at session start it places it's auto start file in ~/.config/autostart/ It is not correct for a package remove to have to remove anything from the user's
[23:14] <OvenWerks> directory.
[23:15] <OvenWerks> Two) Cadence adds a pulse configureation file in the user's directory. (I am not sure of the location off hand)
[23:16] <OvenWerks> this file intensionally keeps pulse from starting automatically and from restarting on it's own. A package should do this sort of thing in a system wide way.
[23:17] <OvenWerks> This is sort of the same problem as the first but with a different file
[23:17] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> Yes, I get an impression now.
[23:18] <OvenWerks> in -controls, we make all configuration changes "on the fly" after pulse has started, so that if controls is turned off, the system continues to work right
[23:18] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> You're not happy with kxstudios system integration behaviour and how it handles user/system files.
[23:19] <OvenWerks> One of the things on the controls "todo" list is to check if Cadence has been used by this user and remove these two files on controls being told to startjack
[23:19] <OvenWerks> It is ok to remove these two files because if Cadence is used again it will recreate them anyway
[23:20] <OvenWerks> That way, it would be ok.... if confusing, to have both on the system and choose which to use
[23:20] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> Ok, but anyway with the backports ppa solution you leave the user with these garbage files and a mixture of packages from two ppa's, right?
[23:22] <OvenWerks> My understanding is that falktx will be redoing Cadence when he gets that far. Hopefully it will do things well enough it can replace controls or at least work better with it.
[23:22] <OvenWerks> the mixture of packages is not so bad. The only "bad" package or better interfering package, is Cadence
[23:23] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> I got the impression he's thinking the same vice versa.
[23:23] <OvenWerks> And yes we should do something about files that remain after it is removed
[23:24] <OvenWerks> I have heard nothing from him at all about -controls. But as I said, it is in the works to make them more compatable from the controls side anyway
[23:25] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> I'm not that familiar with all the unix universe (since just a few years working with it) but I think I got all the native kxstudio apps still installed from the ppa. Don't know if they're working together in a reliable way if not from the same codebase?
[23:27] <OvenWerks> Filipe is one of the better devs in the Linux. He has worked very hard at keeping the infrastructure alive where it seems it might die of bitrot.
[23:27] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: has been working with him to add more of his work into ubuntu repos
[23:28] <Eickmeyer> ^True
[23:28] <OvenWerks> The kxstudio applications should work fine with the ubuntu libs as his packages are based on ubuntu
[23:28] <Eickmeyer> Although, his packages are based on Ubuntu 14.04 which is EOL.
[23:29] <OvenWerks> I think he keeps repos for newer releases as well
[23:29] <OvenWerks> you may know better
[23:29] <OvenWerks>  :)
[23:30] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> This was my impression from my more beginners point of view and this is the reason I just didn't wan't to let this whole kxstudio pack vanish from my machine for the sake of "we just don't let you"
[23:31] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> But in the end I just want to record some music, and preferably on linux.
[23:36] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> Is there some reason for you just not working on the same project at all?
[23:38] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: His PPAs are only compiled against 14.04. He has stuff compiled against 18.04, but has had several failures on that front.
[23:39] <OvenWerks> and some fo his licencing has made adding his packages to ubuntu difficult
[23:41] <OvenWerks> Filipe is a great developer and is able to package things so they work (I am in the same place BTW) there is a lot of extra studd to do, to make a package ready for debian or ubuntu repositories
[23:41] <OvenWerks> s/studd/stuff/
[23:42] <OvenWerks> Filipe does not take the time to make src packages for example, just binaries.
[23:42] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> Very uncommon to talk in sed commands, but I try to keep up 😉
[23:42] <OvenWerks> just a spelling correction... lazzy fingers
[23:43] <OvenWerks> That one just meant look for the word studd in the line above and replace it with stuff
[23:43] <OvenWerks> (s is substitute)
[23:43] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> | sed 's/heh/just\ kidding/g'
[23:45] <OvenWerks> The other common way of correcting spelling mistake on IRC is just *stuff
[23:45] <OvenWerks> which means replace the word that doesn't make sense above with stuff
[23:46] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> I'm on telegram here, don't know if that matters. Anyway
[23:47] <OvenWerks> text is text, the traditions may vary somewhat though
[23:48] <OvenWerks> At one time there was a bot in here that would take a sed statement and apply it to the above line and repost it :P it got removed as anoying...
[23:50] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> So, you're doing really hard work keeping every version up to date, thanks for all that. I really wish to produce music in a native linux environment some day, but you have to convince many dev companies, which I try from time to time...
[23:51] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> Meaning in the plugin realm actually, since DAW, drivers and stuff aren't really the problem.
[23:56] <OvenWerks> In my case, I have never had the cash to spend on music sw and so my whole music experience has been with Linux and the provided plugins.
[23:56] <OvenWerks> I guess I don't know what I have been missing :)
[23:57] <OvenWerks> So far as the basics go, I think the Linux plugins are pretty good. Even the a-plugins that come with Ardour cover a lot.
[23:57] <OvenWerks> I know there are some good synths out there too.
[23:58] <studiobot> <Johannes Menzel> I think in the effect section you can really cope with all the bread and butter things, but the sampled instruments and so on are hard to find.
[23:58] <OvenWerks> But in all honesty, I am not really a computer music guy, I tend to make music in an analog method and just use the computer to record, mix and master.