[00:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T93: Theme lists pages] Paintface07 (Kevin Kondratuk) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T93#1596
[00:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T93: Theme lists pages] Paintface07 (Kevin Kondratuk) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T93#1597
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[02:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rNMTRAYPACKAGINGdbac91e98062: Reverted previous commit] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rNMTRAYPACKAGINGdbac91e98062
[02:17] <wxl> has anyone had a case where debuild -S doesn't invoke signing?
 Happens every time when sponsoring
 Use -k
[02:18] <wxl> is that a debsign switch?
 And a debuild one
 But the docs for the relevant debsign switch apply
[02:19] <wxl> i have a DEBSIGN_KEYID in ~/.devscripts tho
 Beat it over the head a couple more times?
 XD
[02:20] <wxl> siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh
[02:21] <wxl> ugh even using -k doesn't work
[02:21] <wxl> wth
 What's the error?
[02:24] <wxl> that's the funny thing.. nothing
 ?
[02:34] <wxl> had to --force-sign it
[02:35] <wxl> perhaps because it's UNRELEASED
[02:35] <wxl> at least that's what the manpage suggests
[02:35] <wxl> that jive with your understanding?
 @wxl [<wxl> perhaps because it's UNRELEASED], Uhh, yeah, that's why!
[02:35] <bashfulrobot> This sounds fun.
 :)
 UNRELEASED = this won't be released as is
 UNRELEASED = don't bother signing
[02:36] <wxl> but you can't dput without signing, no?
 You don't dput UNRELEASED
[02:36] <wxl> so what do you do?
 Change from UNRELEASED ;)
[02:37] <wxl> aw jeez
[02:37] <wxl> i blame @HMollerCl
[02:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rNMTRAYPACKAGING24f0cb9aebb5: fixed distribution] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rNMTRAYPACKAGING24f0cb9aebb5
 BAD
 debian/files needs to stay ignored
 :)))
[02:42] <wxl> ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[02:43] <wxl> and remove build/?
 Yes
[02:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rNMTRAYPACKAGINGdebedb60843a: fix gitignore] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rNMTRAYPACKAGINGdebedb60843a
 Ooo, sorry wxl
[02:50] <wxl> hey at least there's a changelog entry :)
[03:02] <guiverc2> wxl, ack 1812594 (lxlock) will aim to test today
[03:03] <wxl> @kc2bez did you figure out how to test those other thingies?
[04:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T90: Bionic locker should be light-locker] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90#1598
[04:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T26: Define and Implement Default Settings for Touchpad] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26#1599
[04:40] <guiverc> wxl, you just beat me..
[04:40] <wxl> neener neener neener :)
[04:42] <kondrak> yo folks, anyone know who I can talk to about getting these updated styles applied to the mailing lists? https://phab.lubuntu.me/T93  (sorry for being a broken record)
[04:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Wishlist, Open] Theme lists pages: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T93
[04:43] <kondrak> I'm new and don't know who I should be working with :)
[04:43] <wxl> oh i could install them
 wxl: tag you're it no tagbacks :)
[04:43] <kondrak> I only have one done, but I'd like to make sure it's gonna work before I do the rest.
[04:43] <wxl> waiiiiiiiiiiiiit
[04:43] <wxl> can mailman actually handle css?
[04:43] <kondrak> maybe?
[04:44] <wxl> i fear if it does it might be backend, which would suck
[04:44] <kondrak> could be, simon pasted the templates though, and it looked like we had control over the <head> tag content.
[04:45] <guiverc> :O  wxl..  fyi, I instaled 18.04.1 on vbox, does ctrl+alt+L work on vbox; it's not doing anything on my vbox 18.04.1 with rm'd file ; but lock-screen from menu works, the rm'd file re-creates itself on login 
[04:45] <wxl> did for me chris
 @wxl [<wxl> can mailman actually handle css?], Look at Xubuntu's
[04:46] <wxl> @tsimonq2: they might have had to RT their way to it
[04:46] <wxl> in which case NOT IT
 oh gawd okay XD
[04:46] <kondrak> it seems like they did it the same way I did.
 See, there we go
[04:46] <wxl> chris: `grep ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf lock`
[04:47] <kondrak> I think these styles are more responsive though :)
 Your modifications are DEFINITELY an improvement though
[04:48] <wxl> yeah no place to put css
[04:48] <wxl> rt it is
[04:48] <wxl> love you bye
[04:48] <guiverc> wxl, "lock manager/command=lxlock"  (typed, not copy/pasted)
[04:48] <kondrak> wxl: this is the template I've "finished": https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lists-html/browse/master/templates/lubuntu-council-list-info-template.html
[04:49] <wxl> guiverc: that's the problem. the test case suggests deleting the whole file and logging out and back in again
[04:49] <guiverc> i did delete, a couple of times, logout, login and the file is there again..
 @wxl [<wxl> yeah no place to put css], Uhh, dude, it's literally a whole HTML file, you can put a CSS file in there :)
 I say try to deploy it and see what happens
 OR
 We just refer to an external stylesheet
 OR
[04:50] <wxl> ew
[04:50] <guiverc> rm again, stat (file not found), logout, login, stat (ascii text)
 Inline CSS
[04:50] <kondrak> can't refer to external stylesheet.  I just used <style> tags...
[04:51] <kondrak> (at least with https on phab or github)
[04:51] <kondrak> I already tried that
[04:51] <wxl> The page you saved contains suspicious HTML that could potentially expose your users to cross-site scripting attacks. This change has therefore been rejected. If you still want to make these changes, you must have shell access to your Mailman server.
[04:51] <wxl> See FAQ 4.48.
[04:51] <wxl> Page Unchanged
[04:51] <wxl> ***** RT IT IS *****
 Waaaaaaaaaaaaat
 Eew
[04:51] <kondrak> wussa RT?
[04:51] <guiverc> wxl, shall i comment fully on lp.bug.thingy?  
[04:52] <wxl> https://wiki.list.org/DOC/4.48%20How%20can%20I%20change%20the%20HTML%20or%20.txt%20templates%20used%20by%20my%20mailing%20lists%3F
[04:52] <wxl> @guiverc: please
[04:52] <guiverc> :))
[04:53] <wxl> that has got to be the wrong faq
[04:58] <kondrak> wxl: RT = "real terminal"?  lol
[04:58] <wxl> rt.ubuntu.com
[04:58] <wxl> see also #canonical-sysadmin
[04:59] <wxl> you can email rt@ubuntu.com to create a ticket to the sysadmins. could tell them you want to install it and cc the lubuntu-council and we'd approve it and they'd do it
[04:59] <wxl> problem, though: untested. we really need a mailman instance to try it in
[04:59] <wxl> it should be pretty default, so you could do it in a virtual machine
[05:00] <kondrak> Ok, no problem.  If it's going to be this big of a deal to request it, I can try to setup a more robust test.
[05:01] <kondrak> Let's see how deep this rabbit hole goes!  :P
 Did I hear that @teward001 has a mailman instance?
[05:02] <wxl> some-dumb-llc@lists.teward.com
[05:03] <wxl> seriously though. virtualbox.
 praisecthluhu@lists.teward.com
 Uhh, no, QEMU
 It's the best thing since VirtualBox
[05:04] <wxl> kondrak: you down with virtual machines?
[05:04] <kondrak> wxl: yeah, it's no problem.  I'll have a crack at it.  Probably after I get some sleep though :P  Yeah, I do all the virtuals and containers :D
[05:04] <wxl> ok, good
[05:06] <kondrak> I'll try to add whatever I can to the repo for a test rig so the next person has an easier time.
[05:11] <lubu-qa> wxl, i rebooted 18.04.1 vm & same result .. I'm updating the 18.04 vm  (I hadn't done that as wasn't mentioned except your last comment)   [guiverc in a different room]
[06:13] <lubu-qa> wxl; you'll have to read lp.1812594 update (full-upgrade took ages)... but :(    `lxlock` is not installed, and `whereis lxlock` produces no results...
[08:57] <guiverc> thanks apt-ghetto :)   don't have a brain injury (motorcycle injury); simple stuff just never occurs to you
[09:02] <apt-ghetto> guiverc: Absolutely no problem. I am glad, that you invest time in testing.
[10:18] <kc2bez> wxl: guiverc I started on that last night but work called with issues so I didn't get to update you. Some of the types may not be practical to test which is fine (probably none of us have a hd-dvd). I will try to get back to it tonight. 
 @tsimonq2 [Did I hear that @teward001 has a mailman instance?], not mine
 @wxl [<wxl> some-dumb-llc@lists.teward.com], lol
 @tsimonq2 [Did I hear that @teward001 has a mailman instance?], twas merely me derping with mailman to understand the internals better then I accidentally broke my vps
 ... why?
 I also have DNS over TLS and DNS over HTTPS servers too so :P
[12:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLIBFMQTPACKAGINGba535b4af8dd: Fix updated symbols] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLIBFMQTPACKAGINGba535b4af8dd
 which was the web page to connect to irc?
 http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=%23lubuntu
[13:12] <guiverc2> HMollerCl - do you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
 This?
[13:13] <guiverc2> (I added support channel links to that page.. not for dev channels though)
 @aptghetto [This?], nope, this https://webchat.freenode.net/ thanks anyway
 but @N0um3n0 look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList we need to add the others
 @HMollerCl [but @N0um3n0 look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList we need to add the …], True, it's already set in our "first steps."
 wxl: re: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/support/ … I would like to swap places with you as point of contact for mailing list.
[13:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGING98dd461cc2b2: Refresh patch] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGING98dd461cc2b2
[13:41] <wxl[m]> Do it
 @kc2bez FYI: I had to refresh one patch in the calamares package on ci/unstable
[14:51] <kc2bez> Thanks for letting me know. I noticed [ade] was back. Was the change precipitated from a recent git commit?
 Yes, https://github.com/calamares/calamares/commit/3bd73a97ce0bdf80bb749a14e58a19f45e9e14d6
 wxl: I think I found the problem why some icons are different. The scanner and printer icons in 16x16 are what we see in the menu. Not sure if that is correct or not. Not sure if that is an icon-theme, xdg or lxqt definition though.
[14:52] <kc2bez> Thanks @aptghetto
 wxl: and the icons for sacnner and printer (and discover) we see in the menu are not the same we see in /usr/share applications
[16:36] <wxl> @HMollerCl what about `find / -type f -name *icon* 2>/dev/null` wgere icon is the name of the icon file in the desktop file? maybe run it through `grep`, i.e. for png or svg if the list is too long. that will give us a list of possible candidates
 I did something similar to that
 the point is, menu is populated with icons from 16x16 folder
 I'm not sure if that is the standard and if that can be easily changed
[17:43] <wxl> if we make our own 16x16 folder (like we had tried to do before with other folders) can we override?
 good point, haven't tried that, will do
 nope, but reading carefully, I'm more convinced it has to be a theme.
[17:49] <wxl> well then that agrees with your idea that we need to do a theme
 "Icons and themes are looked for in a set of directories. By default, apps should look in $HOME/.icons (for backwards compatibility), in $XDG_DATA_DIRS/icons and in /usr/share/pixmaps (in that order).... .In each of these directories themes are stored as subdirectories. A theme can be spread across several base directories by having
[17:51] <wxl> it's that last sentence that seems like such a great notion.. and is so difficult to implement XD
 now I'm impressed
 I copied ePapirus theme to ~/.icon
 then coppied (overwriting) the 22x22/scanner.svg to 16x16/scanner.svg and the colorful icon I saw in 22x22 folder was converted to gra
 gray
 grey
[18:05] <wxl> wth
[18:09] <wxl> @tsimonq2: https://mastodon.technology/web/statuses/102535660248373955
 Get them in here
[18:11] <wxl> "please come to our irc channel so we can tell you we're struggling to get the right icons in the menu and can't be bothered with such trivialities of porting a whole window manager to a new and not generally ready-for-prime-time display server"
[18:12] <wxl> it was an ostentatious claim, unless you've got someone working on it
 It's being "worked" on :P
[18:13] <wxl> uhhh huh
[18:13] <wxl> show me the repo
[18:13] <wxl> or it didn't happen
 "repo or it didn't happen" XD
 See, about that, I have it "locally"
[18:14] <wxl> then make it public
[18:14] <wxl> heck, you might even get some people helping
[18:14] <wxl> yeeesh
[18:14] <wxl> i can imagine it now.. repo goes public.. "oh there's a README. that's cool."
 oh there's a readme.  it says 'You Failed'.  I don't like this software.
 *shot*
 just kidding ;)
 wxl: woked!!!
 a theme in ~./icons
 with only this 3 changes, things looks a loot better: printer, scanner, help-about
 but, it worked nice in ~/.icons but didn not in XDG_DATA_DIRS/icons aka (usr/share/Lubuntu/icons)
 but that's maybe because usr/share is in the same level as /usr/share/Lubuntu so it doesn't override
[18:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL428364e27655: Add back to default file] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL428364e27655
 wxl: My Question is, could we only add icons to a theme? This would be copy .svg in the papirus icon directory?
[19:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7747ea931806: Add multimonitor dials for brightness] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7747ea931806
[19:13] <wxl> @HMollerCl only one way to find out :)
 I know we can, my question is if we should, because we will put files in directories created by papirus-icon-theme
[19:20] <wxl> we could make a new theme
 Making a new theme? But why?
 but only for 3 menu icons
[19:21] <wxl> desperation
 about lxqt, skanlite, printer
 those 3 icons are monocolor in papirus and monocolor icons doesn't work well with our dark panel/light window combination
[19:23] <wxl> we can't find any other way to override them
 Kvantum?
 @wxl [<wxl> we can't find any other way to override them], somehow we can find a way to blame Simon :P
 loljk
[20:15] <wxl> somehow? pfffht
 @teward001 [somehow we can find a way to blame Simon :P], noU
 @tsimonq2 [noU], well I mean I already placed blame on you so...
 :P
[20:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd8dc8c1e93c2: pluralize screenshots section] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd8dc8c1e93c2
[21:32] <wxl> so who can i train to be our new bug triager?
 wxl: created an issue in papirus ghithub. Maybe is better if they add the, Then we only have the problem with "about-lxqt" whic uses help-about, we could change that(?) https://github.com/PapirusDevelopmentTeam/papirus-icon-theme/issues/1835
[22:04] <wxl> that seems a good idea
[22:04] <wxl> i bet we could convince lxqt similarly
 lxqt could use their own icon
 the "helix"
[22:05] <wxl> yep
[22:05] <wxl> suggestion: add a screenshot to that issue
[22:05] <wxl> since you don't know what the icon ends up being. i'm sure they can identify it
 There was another member that coudl speak German, right? Who was it? do you think we shoudl make a german irc/telegram?
[22:14] <wxl> i think it would be good for ANY language
 @aptghetto you're the man I was thinking
 wxl: https://github.com/PapirusDevelopmentTeam/papirus-icon-theme/issues/1835
[22:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T95: Better Menu Icons] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T95#1600
[23:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6d62ce705b56: Add && to Appendix C] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6d62ce705b56
[23:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL809a803173c4: Add Pipe with example] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL809a803173c4