[01:21] Chispasxdbot was added by: Chispasxdbot [01:21] Adrianjm_98 was added by: Adrianjm_98 [01:29] what is this bot? [01:47] @mateosalta [its android. but one of the intresting things is they are doing some kind of aut …], I think.what we could do is to create more intense cache process (storing the actual ) HTML and basic images of the website. Pretty much you install the web app, the first you run it is super slow (the cache process ).next time only. Have to.loa [01:47] d the changes like mpg video where the data written is only the changes in the image and skips the file.that are the same. [01:49] The cache could.even update on the background at nigth when the phone is plugged [01:49] or bit by bit while browsing the site [01:49] Is only 1 well.written app and the it would do the same for each website [01:51] If we do it while browsing it would.impact.the.user experience, but the.first time would.definetly.be like that [01:52] here are some links i was looking at at one time [01:52] Fwd from mateosalta: https://forum.qt.io/topic/83205/qml-webview-load-page-from-cache [01:52] Fwd from mateosalta: http://blog.qt.io/blog/2011/04/29/http-caching-with-qt/ [01:52] Fwd from mateosalta: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qnetworkdiskcache.html [01:53] if only someone implemented PWAs [01:53] chromium already does caching [01:53] you might be able to ship an initial state with the webapp [01:54] For example a news app the phone could.load a portion of the.site at nigth, when you read it in the.morning is.already. there no.internet needed [01:54] A web crawler would.do the job [01:54] puffin is not doing anything magical. it's simply relying on the PWA support android already has in chrome [01:54] @mateosalta [you might be able to ship an initial state with the webapp], Exactly [01:54] the offline service worker works - but you cant put that in an allready existing website [01:55] like this site: https://wiki-offline.jakearchibald.com/ [01:56] @C R [For example a news app the phone could.load a portion of the.site at nigth, when …], deferred loading isn't terribly helpful though. news will be outdated by the time you're on the train [01:56] @dohbee [puffin is not doing anything magical. it's simply relying on the PWA support and …], That why.we don't. need to re invent the wheel it just aplying knowledge that is there just not implemented on ubuntu [01:56] people don't want to only read the twitter/whatsapp/etc posts from last night on their way to school/work/whatever [01:57] @dohbee [people don't want to only read the twitter/whatsapp/etc posts from last night on …], Is a concept, having lastnight info.means you only have download today's [01:57] Less bandwidth [01:57] Faster [01:58] you're making an assumption that web sites are already developed to work in that manner though [01:58] for a native app where you can control things on the client and use an API to get data, that's more doable [01:58] for web sites, it is not necessarily the case [01:59] ad blockers, and visual noise blockers, make sites faster too [01:59] uadblock :) [02:02] @C R [Is a concept, having lastnight info.means you only have download today's], plus will not completly blank out, if you hit a low signal area, and navigate [02:05] @mateosalta [plus will not completly blank out, if you hit a low signal area, and navigate], i wouldn't make such assumptions about the code of others :) [02:05] @mateosalta [plus will not completly blank out, if you hit a low signal area, and navigate], Exactly, Easy to.implement is not, but it migth worth to.experiment with the idea [02:07] @dohbee [i wouldn't make such assumptions about the code of others :)], I'm talking about loading parts of a site in advance - so that you can load locally the main ui - and store what you are looking at, not something on the server side [02:07] @mateosalta [I'm talking about loading parts of a site in advance - so that you can load loca …], i know what you are talking about. that's not how the web works though. [02:07] so if you hit a link not loaded, you can hit back, and that will load from your cache [02:08] @mateosalta [so if you hit a link not loaded, you can hit back, and that will load from your …], that should already be happening [02:08] When I see a wall I look for the stairs, I don't.look at the wall that won't. take the other side [02:09] search ddg -> click link -> turn on airport mode -> click back [02:10] @mateosalta [search ddg -> click link -> turn on airport mode -> click back], congrats, you found a bug in morph? [02:12] yeah, seems to not load anything from cache? [02:14] i don't know. my nexus 5 has no network at all, so it can't load anything from anywhere :P [02:14] :) [02:16] but i mean, this is basically something chrom{e,ium} has been doing for a decade. it keeps near pages cached in memory and simply swaps out what is displayed. that was one of the tricks it originally was doing to be "the faster browser" [02:18] hm, yeah. works on my desktop browsers. wonder if this is one of those flags - or perhaps the network error page is set to interupt instead of loading the recently cached page [02:20] I think we want that, useful for switching between networks, or a slight dead spot [02:20] pillsmansion was added by: pillsmansion [02:21] @mateosalta [hm, yeah. works on my desktop browsers. wonder if this is one of those flags - o …], doubt a flag. it's a UI side implementation thing [02:22] but doing it is problematic on lower powered devices too, as web views eat memory [02:54] @ruedigerkupper [Yes, I know and supporting this would be a huge improvement. I agree this is the …], actually firefox doesn't store your passwords on a server [03:00] @dohbee [if only someone implemented PWAs], what can pwas do that current webapps can't? except for notifs and camera access hmmm [03:02] Another app in the same browser does not magically get more features [03:04] uhhh hmmm [07:14] Hello ! How can I install the yumi sticker pack that was mentioned in the Q&A 55? [07:16] search for a post with a sticker from that pack in the group, right click, add. [07:17] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/49crSGwR.webp [07:18] [Edit] search for a post with a sticker from that pack in the group, click, add. [07:18] Dago 1 was added by: Dago 1 [07:34] Grazie ! It is really simple 👍🙂 [07:38] BaHKoTo was added by: BaHKoTo [08:51] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/pC1Hf6Zx.webp [09:07] @TotalSonic [seeing junk like that put out as an "alternative" definitely makes me even more …], I agree... [09:12] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/kh0BDlUj.webp [10:00] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/YrHRH2rZ.webp [10:00] oops [11:03] is there a way install wicker app on ubuntu touch? [11:09] allso are those telegram and protonmail apps being updated and by who they are made if not official. [11:24] Cyjan was added by: Cyjan [11:24] Hey! [11:25] Hi :) [11:25] I've joined here to get mental and spiritual support because I decided to flash my redmi note 4 to Ubuntu touch. Wish me luck [11:26] You'll need more than luck, you'll need to port that device first 😉 [11:29] @advocatux [You'll need more than luck, you'll need to port that device first 😉], I know :] [11:30] Ok, good luck then :) [11:30] Thanks ^^ [11:32] https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/71 [11:34] @Cyjan [I've joined here to get mental and spiritual support because I decided to flash …], Hahahaha [11:35] @advocatux [https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/71], Thank you ✌️ [11:40] @Volfoni [Hello! I got two personalized wallpapers on my Aquaris M10 FHD that I can't remo …], Anyone?? [11:48] (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/aajg3B8C.png [11:48] (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/1q0T1CYN.png [11:49] What would you say if we could have another fingerprint [11:50] I'd say I don't like fingerprint systems at all but maybe that's only me :) [11:54] Ok [11:54] Its work [11:55] In xenial UT [11:55] Apparently [12:29] @Sconio [Its work], how is that? Do you own a Meizu Pro 5? Are you referring to the script which manually allows you to bring back that functionality for the MP5? [13:06] @advocatux [I'd say I don't like fingerprint systems at all but maybe that's only me :)], I don't know, having some alternative fingerprints to use every now and then could be useful. 😂 [13:09] @GTAHTI [allso are those telegram and protonmail apps being updated and by who they are m …], What do you mean? [13:11] @advocatux [I'd say I don't like fingerprint systems at all but maybe that's only me :)], I'm only experiencing fingerprint for real on my HTC 10 and I'd say it's definitely more convenient than passwords/passcodes/patterns 😁 [13:13] well not having a passphrase is more convenient too [13:17] @GTAHTI [is there a way install wicker app on ubuntu touch?], i don't know what that is. if it's open though, or usable via web, you are welcome to develop an app or create a webapp package for it [13:18] @GTAHTI [allso are those telegram and protonmail apps being updated and by who they are m …], `Telegram (unofficial)` is deprecated and being replaced by `TELEports`. The webapps are just fancy bookmarks. Protonmail is a webapp. [13:26] @advocatux - hi mate have sent pm re what we spoke about couple of days back re emacs. Thanks. [13:31] Cyan Magenta was added by: Cyan Magenta [14:01] @dohbee [I don't know, having some alternative fingerprints to use every now and then cou …], lol [14:02] @judicialdomicide [@advocatux - hi mate have sent pm re what we spoke about couple of days back re …], Reading it now :) [14:04] @Sconio [What would you say if we could have another fingerprint], you can allready right? [14:05] (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/3JurousG.png [14:05] @mateosalta [you can allready right?], not officially [14:06] yes, you can break your rootfs and install some old packages from 15.04, which are not supported, and theoretically have fingerprint work again [14:06] the mechinicasm to add more than one exists is what i mean [14:06] oh, sure [14:08] yeah - if you have working fingerprint. ;) [14:21] André was added by: André [14:28] @Chispasxdbot [Chispasxdbot was added by: dohbee], @advocatux @UniversalSuperBox @wayneoutthere ^^ i don't think we want such things in here, do we? [14:30] Well, honestly anyone in the room could be a user bot without us knowing it [14:31] But given it's named with spanix expletives I'll remove it. Maybe the owner will say something. [14:31] spanish [14:31] Don't know where that came from [14:31] spanix is a new linux distro? [14:31] :) [14:31] WE FOUND THE NEW NAME GUIS [14:31] @Chispasxdbot please, can you change your alias? Thank you :) [14:31] (Photo, 1280x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/5606cA8h.png This neither :[ [14:32] all i see is glare [14:32] but if you have questions about building halium, i'd suggest joining https://t.me/halium :) [14:33] Already googled it and found solution [14:33] @advocatux [@Chispasxdbot please, can you change your alias? Thank you :)], @Adrianjm_98 seems to be the owner [14:34] Also be sure to read over the "Getting help" section of http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html and https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html, @Cyjan [14:34] Thanks! I'll take a look [14:36] Hi, does the UBPorts installer only work one time? I’m trying to reinstall nexus 5 using UBports install but stuck at “please reboot to bootloader” hold down volume down and power but phone is in bootloader and status unlocked. Tried closing and doing again same thing tried different cable same thing? Anyone got any suggestions o [14:36] n how to reinstall? [14:36] [Edit] Hi, does the UBPorts installer only work one time? I’m trying to reinstall nexus 5 using UBports installer but stuck at “please reboot to bootloader” hold down volume down and power but phone is in bootloader and status unlocked. Tried closing and doing again same thing tried different cable same thing? Anyone got any sugg [14:36] estions on how to reinstall? [14:36] you can use ADB to reboot to the bootloader [14:37] @judicialdomicide [Hi, does the UBPorts installer only work one time? I’m trying to reinstall nexus …], is phone visible with "fastboot devices" ? [14:39] I’m fairly new to this but no is the answer. Fastboot devices returns nothing in terminal [14:39] @judicialdomicide [I’m fairly new to this but no is the answer. Fastboot devices returns nothing in …], Same Here ✋ [14:40] make sure cable is good and everything; if `fastboot devices` won't show the device while at bootloader screen, installer won't see it either. same for `adb devices` when in recovery or booted with developer mode enabled [14:40] also check `dmesg` when you connect the device to make sure the PC sees it (and thus your cable isn't the problem) [14:40] @Tea [Same Here ✋], phone is frozen after *successfull* install [14:41] (assuming you're running on linux here) [14:41] Yup [14:42] Then run `sudo fastboot devices` for good measure too [14:43] [Edit] @Chispasxdbot please, can you change your username? Thank you :) [14:43] If your device is at the "dead Android" bootloader screen (or the waving Yumi if the installer already happened) and plugged in, `fastboot` will see it. [14:43] USB cables fail pretty easily, we've had people go through 10 or more [14:43] To find one good onw [14:44] some distros are missing appropriate udev rules and permissions configurations too, so yeah, sometimes `sudo` is necessary [14:46] @Sconio [What would you say if we could have another fingerprint], I was able to get my fingerprint reader on my Meizu Pro 5 by following the instructions at https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/396 - just scroll down to find an sh script you need to run - it works well after that [14:47] @Tea [phone is frozen after *successfull* install], If it said successful first boot takes a long time [14:47] @Sconio [What would you say if we could have another fingerprint], [Edit] I was able to get my fingerprint reader on my Meizu Pro 5 working by following the instructions at https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/396 - just scroll down to find an sh script you need to run - it works well after that [14:50] @UniversalSuperBox [USB cables fail pretty easily, we've had people go through 10 or more], I recommend Anker usb cables. They have yet to let me down. [14:55] i'm not sure if i've ever actually had a usb cable fail as such; but then again in only use them to connect devices via usb, and not for other activities [15:16] @UniversalSuperBox [Don't know where that came from], He joined under 2 usernames at the same time. Doesn't look like a bot from the bio. Not a nice name though. [15:25] @dohbee [i'm not sure if i've ever actually had a usb cable fail as such; but then again …], We used to go through a lot when we were getting 65 cent cheapos at the dime store. Since switching to the $4 to $5 range, we've only had two go out, usually to the kids not handling them properly, mostly used for charging only. Had a few us [15:25] b ports go bad too. Probably for the same reason, but one cell shop tech told me that the cheapo usb cables also damage the ports. [15:26] @dohbee [i'm not sure if i've ever actually had a usb cable fail as such; but then again …], [Edit] We used to go through a lot when we were getting 65 cent cheapos at the dime store. Since switching to the $4 to $5 range, we've only had two go out, usually due to the kids not handling them properly, mostly used for charging only. H [15:26] ad a few usb ports go bad too. Probably for the same reason, but one cell shop tech told me that the cheapo usb cables also damage the ports. [15:26] @dohbee [i'm not sure if i've ever actually had a usb cable fail as such; but then again …], [Edit] We used to go through a lot when we were getting 65 cent cheapos at the dime store. Since switching to the $4 to $5 range, we've only had two go out, usually due to the kids not handling them properly, mostly used for charging only. H [15:26] ad a few usb ports go bad too. Probably for the same reason, but one cell repair shop tech told me that the cheapo usb cables also damage the ports. [15:56] @mateosalta [If it said successful first boot takes a long time], Well...read about that, yes..... … But certainly not 14+ hours [16:01] @Tea [Well...read about that, yes..... … But certainly not 14+ hours], Thats a brick [16:01] No, it's not. The device still boots to bootloader [16:04] Hi, is the critical bug for the M10HD still pausing the latest RC? [16:04] yes [16:04] M10 (F)HD, BQ E4.5 and E5 [16:04] Ok thanks Sir. [16:05] Understood. [16:09] Are the BQ's a large part of the user base? [16:14] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/AnWYl8y1.jpeg [16:36] @Tea [Well...read about that, yes..... … But certainly not 14+ hours], true [16:41] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/NBD5Jpqp.webp [16:45] @Cyjan [], what.. is made? :) [16:45] I figure if Tygerpro is pumped it's a port? [16:46] Thats what Im presuming, Ive been banging my head on the wall trying to find a AOSP port for the snapdragon variant of my galaxy note 8, Ive been seeing all exynos versions [16:47] Well. Ok. Whatever you do, do it with passion. [16:49] Im about ready to give up for now and see about getting the exynos variant and see if I can get that to port [16:53] @Tygerpro [Im about ready to give up for now and see about getting the exynos variant and s …], Exynos is slower, isn't it? [16:54] @wayneoutthere [what.. is made? :)], Halium ^^ installing Ubuntu touch now :D [16:54] Yeah, by like .03GHz iirc, but theres no known unlock for the snapdragon bootloader Nd the methods for Custom ROMs that do exist are for older boot loaders [16:55] I wasn't thinking of GHz so much as less powerful cpu. [16:55] what bootloader does it use? [16:56] @John (Marlin) [I wasn't thinking of GHz so much as less powerful cpu.], well "less powerful" is a very loaded term. [16:56] I haven't seen benchmarks. [16:57] and irrelevant for wanting to port UT really [16:57] UT does seem like a light OS for older phones. No lag on my Nexus 5 at all. [17:11] @Cyjan [Halium ^^ installing Ubuntu touch now :D], woooooooah! that *is* something [17:50] @dohbee [what bootloader does it use?], The note 8? Its whatever Samsung decided to put on there, on my snapdragon variant its fully locked, and as far as I can tell Samsung isnt gonna release an unlocker, and no one has been able to unlock it [17:51] @Tygerpro [The note 8? Its whatever Samsung decided to put on there, on my snapdragon varia …], the option isn't in developer settings? [17:51] Not even listed on snapdragon, it is listed on exynos [17:52] huh [17:54] I know, its weird, the exynos has a OEM unlock in developer settings, the snapdragon doesnt, I just double checked [17:59] @wayneoutthere [woooooooah! that *is* something], Yea:D hope it won't break my phone ;p [18:06] I recommend soothing classical guitar music when you do it. [18:08] like Leonard Cohen? [18:13] Laughing Lenny. [18:57] Guysss [18:57] @wayneoutthere [I recommend soothing classical guitar music when you do it.], Okey hehe [18:57] But i have problem :| [18:57] Where is halium-boot.img located [18:57] :| [18:58] I found only hybris-boot.img but I bet it's not what I need [18:59] Oney [18:59] [Edit] Okey [18:59] Nvm [18:59] Figured it out [19:01] Undo [19:01] Still not figured it oit [19:01] [Edit] Still not figured it out [19:02] Did you build halium-boot [19:02] I think so :| [19:03]