[00:00] any recommendation on block size for dd [00:00] or just leave it default? [00:00] i always look it up since i always forget. i think 2M or 4M [00:00] yay, found solutions in lenovo's forums... :D [00:01] https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Other-Linux-Discussions/ThinkPad-E485-E585-Firmware-bug-ACPI-IVRS-table/m-p/4328542/highlight/true#M13114 === Lord-Kam_ is now known as Lord-Kamina [00:02] jrgilman: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6161823/dd-how-to-calculate-optimal-blocksize points to https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tdg5/blog/master/_includes/scripts/dd_obs_test.sh (unless you prefer the C there) [00:05] so in my case it'd actually be obs=128M [00:07] i assume the block size needs to be a common denominator of both of the drives [00:09] good point. :) [00:11] i'll just use 64K and call it a day [00:11] it's already gotten through 10GiB in the time it took to write that message brb === jje_ is now known as jje [00:26] lope: so i'm not sure you noticed this when reading the "Solving Linux MTRR problems" article - this memory allocation issue (which mostly seems to occur with non nvidia hardware on non-recent mainboards) can very well cause graphics performance to suffer. so this may well be why "graphics are crap" - if you see the same messages on your on-disk install. [00:54] what does it mean when you do sudo apt-get upgrade and it says "X" amount will be upgraded and "X" amount will be held back? What is the purpose of it NOT upgrading all of the packages and holding some back? [00:55] Biessie: sometimes that happens if a package update would bring in a *new* package via dependencies; or if there's no way to reconcile versioned dependencies, breaks, and what's available to install [00:55] Biessie: maybe a sudo apt upgrade would do the job -- apt upgrade uses different rules than apt-get upgrade; apt upgrade is usually better [00:56] oh i thought they were both the same! [00:56] thanks for that. ill stop using apt-get [00:56] Lol.. noob here [00:56] I've got the opposite problem; more than twenty years typing apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade [00:57] I don't think the -u even does anything any more [00:57] I'm trying to get the hang of apt update && apt upgrade, but it's hard to make changes :) [00:57] Habbits are hard to break thats for sure === [1]MrMobius is now known as MrMobius [01:05] and i'd recommend `apt full-upgrade` generally [01:05] that's what will try and resolve the "held back" packages, iirc [01:07] okay tomreyn that's done, probably finished a while back but had to go take care of a few things [01:08] so I should try running pvck on one of these [01:08] I just installed nvidia-430 and my system boots in low graphics mode. i'm to have vga_switcheroo as the default gpu is the built in intel one. VGA switcheroo worked until update [01:08] like, i could play games and just use a browser, with the screen switching between GPUs [01:10] is genewitch's problem not the exact thing lope was talking about? === zbenjamin is now known as Guest40699 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [01:10] I just got here unfortunately. I am running 16.04.whatever, apt ugraded [01:11] nvidia-430 [01:11] unsure [01:11] i wasn't really following but he was talking about somekind of optimus/nvidia-430 issue i believe [01:12] oh i can try 418 [01:16] i purged nvidia-430* and it boots up [01:19] genewitch: lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' in a pastebin and I can see what Nvidia driver is recommended . [01:19] tomreyn: well i tried pvck but it couldn't "find LVM label on /dev/mapper/encrypted" [01:20] but I had another idea, using testdisk i was able to grab the /etc/lvm folder from that drive, could i use these to rebuild LVM? [01:20] Bashing-om: http://ix.io/1QcY [01:21] genewitch: Looking :) [01:21] Bashing-om: appreciated [01:24] genewitch: Nvidia says 318 version: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/149219/en-us . Have you also removed the old nvidia config file ? [01:24] Bashing-om: i haven't. I got 418 installed [01:24] and it reboots, perhaps i should purge the config as well [01:25] genewitch: Yeah .. and then try re-generating ' sudo nvidia-xconfig ' . [01:26] I got it. It looks like they changed automatic xrandr (or whatever vga_switcheroo uses) so i have to pick intel or nvidia [01:28] thanks [01:28] genewitch: Glad I could help - good it was a simple thing here :) [01:29] Bashing-om: when you said 318 was that a typo [01:29] ah it was. no worries. yep, had i known about that page that you linked i wouldn't have had any issue :-D [01:32] genewitch: Ouch ! yet typo .. 418 version is recommended :( [01:33] !info nvidia-driver-418 xenial [01:33] Package nvidia-driver-418 does not exist in xenial [01:34] !info nvidia-418 xenial [01:34] Package nvidia-418 does not exist in xenial [01:35] you have to do the ppa [01:35] genewitch: Hetting the 418 driver ^^ from pur trusted PPA ? [01:35] Bashing-om: yes [01:36] genewitch: Tired and not paying attention - good to go then :P === [b0b] is now known as b0b [02:32] god I really messed this thing up [02:32] tried restoring LVM with pvcreate but the uuids have changed [02:49] I still can’t find a solution to my amd A10 on an MSI fm2 board rebooting when i suspend [02:49] I’ve been looking for someone with the same problem fro a while. I’ve seen some related to Asus laptops but not an A10 or anything that helps. [02:52] jrg: what settings have you tried? [02:53] Nothing really.. I’m trying to find a setting to try. I’m guessing ACPI=off wouldn’t work because it would disable the power management altogether and probably result in a shutdown. [02:53] And i really can’t find too much related to grub settings for acpi [02:53] And tbh i’m not even sure if acpi is the issue. I disabled quickboot etc in the bios. [02:54] jrg: aha, check out systemd-sleep.conf(5) -- perhaps hibernate will work well enough, and perhaps that's sufficient for your needs [02:55] jrg: here's the documentation from the upstream kernel on the different settings that you can put into SuspendState: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/states.txt [02:56] sarnold: i’d really try to get actual suspend to work first if i can. [02:56] GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_sleep=nonvs" is one i haven’t tried yet. [02:56] Let me see if that does it. [03:03] Nope. :/ [04:09] Ugh. Seriously MSI [04:09] Their bios update is an .exe [04:09] That HAS to be run on a windows box.. instead of just putting the stupid bios files in a zip [04:25] jrg: have you tried running unzip on it? if it's a self-extracting archive then unzip might be able to handle it. I know winzip did. [04:44] Yes heh [04:44] Didn’t work. [04:44] It isn’t that.. i just don’t have a legit windows box to run it on [04:44] MSI FORCES you to run it on a windows box ON A THUMB DRIVE heh [04:44] No idea what that’s about... it’s an awful way of doing it [04:45] Could have been worse though I suppose. I could have had to dig up a floppy drive lol [04:50] morning! how could I achieve a more "stock gnome" look in ubuntu 19? Always liked Ubuntu Gnome. Before I start messing everything up.. maybe there is a theme/pack that does this in one go? thanks for any pointers [04:58] bazi, this is valid for 19.04 too https://itsfoss.com/vanilla-gnome-ubuntu/ [05:00] OerHeks: ah, good to know. Let's see if it breaks things [05:01] ty [05:02] well.. break.. the only thing that was disappointing last time was night light not working with wayland. the rest worked well [05:02] and something about fonts/hinting :) [05:02] .. and no wobbly windows [05:03] on a scale of 1-10, how hard is it to completely build ubuntu from source? i.e., i want to start with a bunch of source files, maybe some .deb files as needed, and end up with an 18.04.2 desktop iso which has a sha256sum of 22580b9f... (as proof of concept/learning experience) [05:04] OerHeks: ubuntu is still x11 IIRC [05:04] (as default) [05:04] ? [05:04] bazi, yes [05:08] OerHeks: that is pretty much what I wanted, thanks. Also: wayland now does nightlight so I am happy :P [05:17] rigel_: 11 [05:25] rigel_: you may be able to compile your own distro from scratch and make it look just like the original but ending up with the same hash.. good luck :) [05:44] the vanilla-gnome-* package is neat [05:53] i don't even need to use it. or create my own operating system, just build one to check against a successful output. anyone have any resources? [05:55] rigel_, that would be beyond the scope of this channel [05:55] OerHeks: thanks for trying :) [05:55] "own operating system" [05:55] !build [05:55] Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first) [05:55] <`mist54> hey guys, any way i can install libconfuse1 on my ubuntu 18.04? I'm trying to install something called "telldus-core" but i'm getting a dependency failer and i only see libconfuse2 available [05:55] like with gentoo [05:55] good start [05:56] or maybe just a bunch of prebuilt packages, a kernel and then tie it up in an iso [05:58] never heard of telldus-core, libconfuse is in the repos https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/confuse [06:00] maybe that telldus-core is absolete? [06:01] hmm https://github.com/telldus/telldus/tree/master/telldus-core [06:03] <`mist54> yeah it's a bit old but i need the software =/ do you recommend i install ubuntu 16 instead? [06:04] <`mist54> i tried symlinking the libconfuse.so.2 to libconfuse.so.0 to try and "trick" telldus, but it seems it's incompatible [06:12] `mist54: maybe there's a ppa? [06:41] Hello [06:42] does ubuntu still have systemd-udevd bug that cause a thread to run at 100%? [06:45] iamfree, if you know the CVE, look for youself as to state for each release [06:45] iamfree, ^ https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/ [06:45] (sorry I forgot the url) [06:46] and maybe hardware specific? [06:47] mist54 i have no clue, other than to try to compile from source? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/amd64/libconfuse1 [06:49] @guiverc2: how do i search? [06:51] find the CVE (bug ID), then search, eg. CVE-2019-10168 is a recent bug; you enter that into the field [06:52] iamfree, you described a symtom of a bug which probably fits 30-80 bugs, the CVE is the number given to a specific bug [06:57] iamfree, some companies (eg. microsoft) hate applying CVEs to bugs as they can easily then be tracked; if it was 'minor' and only impacted a single Ubuntu release it may only have a launchpad bug id (not a CVE); but your description made me think of generic kernel issue which would have CVE [07:03] some snapd process iirc, but that was weeks ago [07:24] guiverc2: I don't know wether it has in cve but on github there is... it because udev loop bind/unbind it even make my pop os boot longer and shut down sometimes hang. I ask because I want to install ubuntu since this bug also affect ubuntu 18, I just hope it got fix in 19... [07:25] there is workaround but only for 100% thread usage but don't fix the boot problem... [07:27] oops! sorry, not in github but laumchpad... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759836 [07:27] Launchpad bug 1759836 in linux "systemd-udevd consumes 100% of CPU" [High,Confirmed] [07:59] hi, I can print with lp -d but not within the print menu of firefox, libreoffice or any software [08:00] I don't see any error in cups logs [08:00] any ideas ? [08:01] (what is there betweem an application trying to print and cups ? dbus ?) [08:20] Guys, I suddenly have no sound anymore on my ubuntu 18.04. Any ideas on howto best debug this? [08:22] adac: What does alsamixer say about its volume? [08:24] EoflaOE, https://ibb.co/wY8X0Sb [08:25] Should be correct or? [08:26] adac: Auto mute is enabled. Disable it, run "alsactl store", then reboot to see if sound works. [08:27] EoflaOE, Ok I see thanks so much. I cannot reboot now but only later. Coming back then! [08:28] adac: You are welcome. === macroprep_ is now known as macroprep [09:13] jrgilman: https://www.thegeekdiary.com/corruption-or-accidental-deletion-in-lvm-how-to-rebuild-lvm-from-archive-metadata-backups-in-rhel-centos/ [09:15] jrgilman: that's how you could reuse the previous /etc/lvm/archive directory to restore your LVs. [09:18] jrgilman: and hit is how you could reuse the previous /etc/lvm/backup directory to restore your LVs: https://www.assistanz.com/lvm-partitions-recover/ [09:20] how to permanently remap caps lock do home key the easy way? [09:21] http://xahlee.info/linux/linux_capslock_do_home_key.html this solution didn't work in ubuntu [09:39] Is it possible to continue reading with less where you left off after a reboot? is this possible using dtach? do socket files survive a restart? [09:44] parak0vsky: how did it "not work"? did it keep acting as caps lock? did the xmodmap command itself fail? [09:44] parak0vsky: check the output of `xmodmap -pk` to see the current mapping - maybe caps lock is a different key code on your machine (unlikely, but who knows) [09:50] Hello [09:51] Anyone could help me with this , I have 18.04.02 LTS and this morning I had an update for kernel , I did update the kernel without looking at the version , yes my mistake , and I was given Kernel 5.0 by the Updater somehow [09:51] And it did mess up my system [09:51] Any explanation how could this happen ? is it from my side or ubuntu's side? [09:51] hi nightowl1 [09:52] Hey OerHeks [09:52] And it was non-signed [09:52] i fixed 2 machines b booting kernel 5 in recovery mode, then run dpkg option to fix packages, then booting again [09:52] I fixed that by reverting to the old kernel but it was painful , because it messed up virtualbox [09:53] correct, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/N2NZ7mmJ2M/ [09:53] I reverted to 24 [09:54] Even though as far as I know 25 was working correctly but it did surprise me a bit that I was given 5.0 and it wasn't signed [09:54] And it broke VirtualBox [09:55] oh oke, file a bugreport for that? [09:55] I belive so I will do [09:55] to VB or Ubuntu? [09:56] But now when I check for updates even with Kernel 4 24 , I get that I am up-to date [10:00] nightowl1: did you remove the kernel or just use grub to boot the older one? if grub then its still in apt so itll say you're up to date [10:20] Hi folks [10:23] EriC^^, I have solved the problem by going back to kernel 5 , removed VB 5 and install VB 6 [10:27] nightowl1: can you sum up what is / was 'the problem'? [10:28] nightowl1: i understand you're saying you're on 18.04 with HWE kernel, which upgraded to 5.0 recently. And when you booted into this new kernel image this somehow caused problem - but it's unclear which? [10:29] I will explain better : I came to my PC this morning saying there is a kernel update , I didn't check what version , I just clicked install, and indeed that was my mistake , but when the kernel installed and I have restarted , I was welcomed by a System Error message saying that there is a System Error [10:30] It was Virtual Box 5.2 not being able to load it's drivers for the kernel [10:30] VB 5.2 from Ubuntu depo [10:31] And why it was assigned as "Not Signed" the 5.0 kernel image [10:33] nightowl1: so the 'only' issue seemed to be that virtualbox modules are not secure boot signed, or were there other issues? [10:34] he is still on Kernel 4 24 if i read correct [10:34] I was at 4 25 , I was given to update to 5 , I did update without looking at the version number [10:34] Ubuntu has listed Kernel 5 as it's not signed by Ubuntu [10:35] Kernel 5 broke VirtualBox that is downloaded from Ubuntu depo itself [10:35] I reverted back to 4 24 , and then again , removed VirtualBox , installed Kernel 5 again , Installed VirtualBox 6 from Oracle [10:35] restarted [10:36] VirtualBox 6 is working fine with Kernel 5 [10:36] I am now with Kernel 5 and VirtualBox 6 [10:37] thanks. so the VB kernel modue was indeed the only issue with booting into linux 5.x for you, that's good to know. [10:37] it's not really a mistake that you went to the 5.x kernel, nothing to blame yourself for. the HWE kernel package (intentionally) points to this kernel version since recently. [10:38] I will report that to Ubuntu [10:38] But I was a little bit surprised , looking at the earlier Kernels , they are all signed by Ubuntu , and then looking at Kernel 5 finding it not signed [10:38] I thought the update was kind of a mistake [10:39] https://usn.ubuntu.com/4069-2/ [10:40] Thank you [10:40] thanks OerHeks [10:41] guiverc2, i fixed the failing boot with recovery > dpkg fix packages [10:41] but i see an unsigned kernel too [10:43] I have done exactly like this instructed by another user from ubuntu-mate channel : [10:44] "uninstall virtualbox, then run `apt install linux-generic-hwe` to install the meta package that you removed, then install vbox 6 from oracle site" [10:44] Yes I have purged 5.0 images and headers [10:44] before trying to back to 5.0 [10:44] to go back * [10:48] ayekat: it didn't survive reboot or sleep mode [10:49] parak0vsky: well yeah, you'll need to reload the config when you restart X - but it should usually survive sleep (unless sleep kill X as well) [10:51] I've got to admit I'm actually not quite sure how xmodmap interacts with display managers (like gdm or lightdm) - maybe sleep modus triggers the DM, and this resets the xmodmap settings...? [10:59] nightowl1: i think if you read the ATTENTION paragraph at https://usn.ubuntu.com/4069-2/ this may explain what you experienced there. [11:03] Yes I did read that tomreyn , I just didn't know all of that before the update :( , lesson learned I guess [11:16] Guys, my syslog on 18.04 rotates every day. But right now I'm having missing exactly 1 day of logs between the tail of syslog.2 and the head of syslog.1... how is that possible? [11:16] http://paste.debian.net/1093831/ [11:17] I'm missing exactly 1 day* [11:18] courrier: did you copy those files from /var/log to ~/debug then? [11:18] tomreyn: yes I scp-ed them from the server [11:18] does the systemd journal also show this gap? [11:19] Does ubuntu supports openrc? [11:20] mmmmh I don't know tomreyn, I have to move to another building to check because the server is not connected to the net [11:20] Can it be linked to this DNS error? [11:21] kreyren: i don't think so. at least i can't find any packages using "apt search openrc" on ubuntu 18.04 [11:21] tomreyn, any way to get openrc on ubuntu? [11:21] usecase: frankendebian [11:22] (devuan is considered already) [11:24] Self-correction: no it's not related, the server is disconnected from the net so it's normal it can't reach 208.67.222.222, and it shouldn't prevent it from logging properly [11:24] courrier: i don't know how the dns server would be relevant there, unless the system logs remotely. but you're saying it doesn't have a network connection, so i guess that's not it. [11:24] ;) [11:25] kreyren: i don't know, i never looked into openrc. [11:26] Might be due to a temporary power outage though, could it behave that way? [11:26] The server reboots automatically in cse of power outage [11:27] It's very strange that it matches the exact time of log rotation 6AM though... but maybe if journald has no time to dump the logs on disk? [11:33] Hi all! I'm trying to install some packages on 18.04 during CI builds, but apt is prompting whether to restart services or not. I am invoking it with `DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive sudo apt install -y --force-yes ...` which I assumed would prevent any prompts from appearing. What am I doing wrong? :) [11:36] Xano: Can you export DEBIAN_FRONTEND? Do "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive". If finished, try the sudo command again, but pass -E before the command [11:38] Hi. A friend's ubuntu machine fails to boot. Is there a way to interrupt the grub process. Is grub timeout by default set to 0? [11:39] frikinz: If Ubuntu is the only OS, then I think it sets timeout to 0. [11:39] Xano: use apt-get, not apt, for automation (as apt tells you every time you use it - unless you discard stderr, which you probably should not) [11:39] EoflaOE: ok. so the recovery menu is not reachable. Weird. He'll probably access it from a live disk [11:40] frikinz: hold down shift while booting to bring up the grub menu on (legacy) BIOS boots. On UEFI boots, repeatedly hit Escape during boot instead. [11:41] tomreyn: he told me he tried both shift and escape. Left shift? [11:41] frikinz: and he will need to mount necessary partitions to chroot to his installation and go to grub configuration file and set the timeout. [11:42] frikinz: i think both would work, but left shift definitely should on bios booting systems) [11:42] I guess he'll just used the livecd, mount /boot and change timeout and reboot. [11:43] frikinz: I recommend setting timeout to 30 secs [11:44] Yes, I find it a bit weird that by default its 0 unless you have a physically secured system. [11:44] Ok thanks, I forwarded him your advices. a nearly 60 years old guy :) And he doesn't even have windows on the machine. [11:45] frikinz: I confirmed this on my Ubuntu 19.10. You are welcome [12:04] EoflaOE, -E did the trick. I should have known. Thanks a lot! [12:05] hi, I can't print with sorftwares, only with lpstat. Nothing in cups logs, any ideas ? [12:05] tomreyn, Hah, I have no excuse. Thanks for bothering to point that out :) [12:05] Anyone here can point me in the right directions to install debug symbols for libgdk-3.so? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages shows me how to add repos, but I cant find the right package [12:17] freddyb: many of these questions are easier to answer with installing 'apt-file' [12:19] Ah. Yeah. [12:19] freddyb, http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-amd64/Packages [12:19] freddyb: for example it tells me: "libgtk-3-0-dbg: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgdk-3.so.0.1800.9" [12:19] got it [12:19] thanks! [12:21] Xano: You are welcome. [12:32] Xano: :) you're welcome! === janco_ is now known as janco === im0nde_ is now known as im0nde [13:37] i'm trying to upgrade from 'Ubuntu 16.04.6' [13:37] sudo do-release-upgrade is give me 'Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.' [13:37] giving* [13:41] the system isnt up to date, then? [13:41] sudo apt update, then sudo apt full-upgrade [13:42] compdoc: I did everything update to step 3 https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-18-04 [13:42] up to* [13:42] compdoc: I did everything up to* to step 3 https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-18-04 [13:43] codecutter>, did you reboot after? [13:43] yes [13:44] after reboot [13:44] 0 packages can be updated. [13:44] 0 updates are security updates. [13:45] codecutter: Does it still ask to update all packages? [13:45] no [13:45] you mean after reboot? [13:46] codecutter: After updating all the packages and rebooting [13:46] no [13:46] its only when i do :sudo do-release-upgrade [13:46] Checking for a new Ubuntu release [13:46] Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading. [13:47] here is what i see after reboot [13:48] 0 packages can be updated. [13:48] 0 updates are security updates [13:48] New release '18.04.2 LTS' available. [13:48] Run 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to it. [13:49] codecutter: looks like you upgraded to 18.04 already [13:49] either fully, or partially [13:49] oh actually not, i misread, sorry [13:49] you miread [13:49] misread* [13:50] right, sorry ;) [13:50] codecutter: can you show sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 just run it, it'll produce a http address to share [13:50] what does this do? [13:52] it updates the list of available package updates, prints the apt policy, pretends to install all pending updates (but does not do it). then gatheres all those outputs and uploadds them to termbin.com [13:52] any personal info? [13:52] codecutter: apt is not getting personal info. It's safe [13:53] none but your installed packages, i would think. let me try quickly [13:53] here's mine: https://termbin.com/zlrp [13:53] https://termbin.com/vu6y [13:54] so the pending cloud-init upgrade will be the cause for the message [13:54] codecutter: Did you lock cloud-init? [13:55] i would have to know what it is first [13:55] apt-mark showhold [13:55] ^ does this output anything? [13:55] yes [13:55] cloud-init [13:56] you (or some software you installed) seem to have chosen to hold the cloud-init package on the very version it is on now [13:56] i.e. version 0.7.9-113-g513e99e0-0ubuntu1~16.04.1 [13:56] !info cloud-init xenial [13:56] cloud-init (source: cloud-init): Init scripts for cloud instances. In component main, is extra. Version 19.1-1-gbaa47854-0ubuntu1~16.04.1 (xenial), package size 387 kB, installed size 1925 kB [13:57] how do i fix it? [13:58] anyway to check which software ? [13:58] codecutter: if you are not aware of a reason why cloud-init is being held on this outdated version, you can allow the upgrade by using: sudo apt-mark unhold cloud-init [13:58] then sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade [13:59] before you upgrade, as a general precaution, also ensure you have complete, proven restorable backups. [13:59] https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/do-i-need-cloud-init [14:02] so apparently digitalocean marks this package as held on their ubuntu installations. this faq does not explain why they would need to use this outdated version. [14:03] you can probably remove it safely, but this may break some functionality which can be controlled from their web interface, such as assigning a fixed ip address to the system, or changing its hostname. [14:03] https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/why-cloud-init-is-kept-back-in-a-new-droplet-with-ubuntu-16-04-while-doing-an-apt-upgrade [14:04] "I had the same problem and it seems like a strange situation to me. Anyway, I fixed this by installing the cloud-init package: sudo apt install cloud-init." === Grayson is now known as GraysonBriggs [14:04] do i install it? [14:05] codecutter: Remove hold first then install it. [14:05] Ubuntu 18.04.3 is supposed to be released today where is it ??? [14:06] will this fix issue? [14:06] analogical: and a wonderful day to you as well. a day, which is not over, yet. [14:06] i.e. no side effects? [14:06] analogical: This should be on releases.ubuntu.com. Can't you find it? [14:07] EoflaOE, if I could I wouldn't be asking would I? [14:07] codecutter: you'd need to check with DO on this. they chose to deviate from standard ubuntu there. [14:07] yes you maybe =, right [14:07] analogical: yes [14:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule [14:09] codecutter: personally, i would not be worried. worst case, what could happen is that the system will have incorrect ip configurations, something which can be solved via serial console or other out of band access. i *think* DO provides such, but you'd best check this works beforehand. [14:12] analogical: it is delayed for a week [14:13] EoflaOE, how do you know that? [14:13] analogical: Looked at #ubuntu-devel and saw that tjaalton said that it is delayed for one week [14:14] analogical: Everyone in this channel is a volunteer and does not know the exact schedule of Ubuntu releases. Also, wouldn't it stand to reason that you would wwant something released that is working late, rather than something that is buggy or broken released now just because the calendar says so? [14:16] javaJake [14:16] bashu: yes? [14:17] This is a curiosity question more than anything else, but I used the "Software Update" graphical interface and got most updates. I then restarted as prompted, and ran "sudo apt upgrade" in the console and noticed apparmor, gnome-shell, and a few others hadn't been updated. Is there any reason I shouldn't update those? [14:17] i have just installed hexdump and trying to figure out the things, could you tell me what all this is about [14:19] contacted DO [14:19] thanks [14:21] bashu, what is your question? [14:21] bashu: give a complete description of your question with an example command or printout in a https://paste.ubuntu.com/ pastebin to get answers. You tagged me but I may not be able to help. [14:21] javaJake: there is upgrade, which installs security updates and critical bug fixes (only) and there is full-upgrade, which installs those and also standard bug fixes and rolling updates (where those aren't security fixes, but they almost always are). there's no reason not to also install the bug fixes unless you're worried of those somehow interfering with your work. [14:22] javaJake: the idea there is that you can plan to have larger updates cycles when you want them, but get security and critical bug fixes as soon as possible. [14:24] tomreyn: I like that. Does the Software Updater ever make a decision to bring everything up-to-date, or does it only install critical bug fixes and security updates? [14:26] javaJake: depends on your choices at software-properties-gtk --open-tab 2 [14:27] (that's assuming you're on a desktop installation - /join #ubuntu-server for servers) === GraysonBriggs is now known as Grayson [14:28] replace -gtk by -qt if you run kubuntu / a QT based WM [14:28] Everything is checked. I always check "all the things" ;) [14:32] javaJake: if everything on tab 2 is selected, that would be bad [14:32] 18.04 with Thunar (file-manager) which uses GVFS backends. Sometime in the last week it began hanging with no response for long periods and 'journalctl -fb' revealed it is repeatedly trying to mount one of its listed 'Places' which is a remote (CIFS) network auto-mount that is only available when a specific VPN is active. Prior to a week ago this didn't cause Thunar a problem but I'm struggling to figure out [14:32] what has changed that is causing it (or one if its dependencies such as a GVFS backend) to want to access the 'Place' and therefore trigger the automount. There were security patches to GVFS early in July but I'm reasonably confident this has worked correctly since they were installed (11th July). Any ideas what I may be missing? [14:34] was there any updates to Thunar since July 11th? [14:35] pragmaticenigma: check the changelog of the package? [14:36] tarzeau: I'm not asking for myself, that was directed to TJ- [14:36] pragmaticenigma: indeed not; that was the 1st thing I looked for [14:37] javaJake: see what the drop down fields are set to, too, though [14:38] TJ-: Is there some script that could be triggering it to attempt the mount? The VPN isn't leaving a flag "on" indicating the VPN is active when it isn't? stale lock file? [14:43] pragmaticenigma: nothing of that sort... the automount is active (from an entry in fstab) and is never triggered until the user (or some process) tries to access it. The issue seems to be that Thunar is trying to access it because it is in its "places' list... times out, then repeatedly tries again and again whilst blocking in its main GUI thread, so user loses any interaction for a minute or so and this [14:43] repeats. [14:50] analogical: so 18.04.3 will indeed not release today due to some kernel issues testing brought up last minute. the exact release date is not yet fixed (but it *may* be 2019-08-08). === Grayson_ is now known as Grayson [14:58] tomreyn: check for updates daily, download and install security updates automatically, and when there are other updates display weekly. Notify me of any new version. [15:00] tomreyn: the complete set of updates not grabbed are "apparmor gnome-shell gnome-shell-common libapparmor1" per a "sudo apt upgrade". [15:00] javaJake: so those will be on the weekly cycle then [15:00] i.e. non security fixes [15:01] Ah, OK, cool. [15:01] Thanks tomreyn for your help :) I appreciate it. [15:02] javaJake: :) you're welcome [15:03] TJ-: Sounds almost like the bug I have with KDE/Dolphin ... though in that case I have the opposite issue, I can't unmount and attempting to reboot creates a hung system [15:03] TJ-: In my case I traced the issue to what I think is an issue between udiskctl and something in dolphon/KDE [15:04] vlc says DVDRead could not open the disc "/dev/sr0". what the heck do i do to fix this [15:05] i tried the instructions in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/README.css but that doesn't fix it [15:07] is anyone alive here [15:07] Nah. [15:07] figures [15:07] pragmaticenigma: yeah, udisks can be a problem if you don't know about the Hints that can be applied to volumes such as HintIgnore [15:07] loganrun: it can take someone knowledgeable 30m to an hour to respond sometimes. Best to be patient and do research meanwhile. [15:07] loganrun, what does 'lsblk -f /dev/sr0' show? [15:08] ok [15:08] NAME FSTYPE LABEL UUID MOUNTPOINT [15:08] sr0 [15:10] pragmaticenigma: I'm going to dig into the Thunar/GVFS source see if this 'attempt to access' Places (a.k.a GTK3 bookmarks) is unconditional - which would to the problem being lower down the stack [15:11] loganrun: have you found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs [15:11] https://pastebin.com/D0M5wD0j [15:12] there is no install-css.sh script [15:12] it looks like the package does not include that [15:12] loganrun: check the page I linked. As of 15.10, the process changed. You are following old advice I think. [15:13] o.k. yeah I tried sudo apt install libdvd-pkg && sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg [15:15] loganrun: can you send a pastebin with the output of "groups" and "ls -l /dev/sr0" commands in a shell? [15:15] brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 Aug 1 09:40 /dev/sr0 [15:17] loganrun: and what about the "groups" command? [15:17] groups has adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin and the user accounts on my machine, no cdrom if that is what you are looking for [15:17] i mean it has cdrom [15:17] TJ-, maybe too old, but it might hint at something: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7373 [15:17] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 7373 in General "g_file_new_for_uri ("network://") seems to slow down Thunar's startup" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [15:19] if I do members cdrom it does list my username from which i am running vlc [15:19] loganrun: So you have access to your drive, and, according to what you've told us, you've properly installed the software necessary to read the DVD. At this point I am just reading the page I linked and guiding you through the troubleshooting steps. There could be a hardware issue (the drive itself is defective) or the drive is set for a region that the DVD is not originally from. [15:20] javaJake: hmm, let me try another disk [15:20] loganrun: also, this page suggests that rebooting "may be necessary" [15:20] Though why that is true is beyond me. [15:23] ok seems like it is something with the disk. weird but not be able to decode it or something [15:23] thanks for the help [15:23] hey guys. Going to switch from nvidia to amd graphics next week. uninstalling the nvidia proprietary driver/switching to nouveau before sticking the amd graphics card in should be enough, right? Just want to make sure i dont end up with a black screen or something :P [15:24] loganrun: the page says you can change the region of the drive to match the currently inserted DVD, but there is a strong warning: "On delivery, most DVD drives have no region code set. The drive firmware allows you to change the region code, but on nearly all drives you are limited to five (5) changes. After the fifth change, the DVD drive will stay fixed on that code..." [15:25] that is really crazy, wonder why there is no work around for it, but it could be the issue [15:30] ioria: I checked that earlier, thanks, but it isn't applicable. In this case the URI is file:///mnt/SLBS/Data (so local as far as GTK GFile is concerned). I've checked the Thunar source-code now and there's no conditionals in the path. If there's a file:// bookmark it will always try to add a gfile_monitor watch (which uses inotify) for mounts or moved, so I'm at a loss as to what changed. Still, now I [15:30] understand it at least I know how to work around it (delete the bookmark, bring the VPN up, or disable the automount!) [15:41]