| tarzeau | i have installed chromium-browser and now it's a transitional package forcing me to snap | 07:57 |
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| lotuspsychje | tarzeau: chromium will be snap only from now | 07:57 |
| tarzeau | i'm using non-interactive, automatic repeating, security updates with something like cron-apt. who and how will the snap get security updates? | 07:57 |
| tarzeau | do i have the option to not use the snap? opt out of it? | 07:58 |
| tarzeau | we do have multiuser machines, where i think it might take more resources than needed | 07:58 |
| lotuspsychje | tarzeau: for now chromium apt version is still there, but i think it will vanish in the future | 07:58 |
| tarzeau | 20.04 won't have it? | 07:58 |
| tarzeau | i'm fine building my own local versions for our own reprepro repository. where can i see all packages like this transition2snap package? | 07:59 |
| tarzeau | ubuntu security support only supports 38.6%(5 years) of the packages we install, 20.8% (3 years). and about 40.2% not at all | 08:00 |
| tarzeau | and we've got about 190 pip2/pip3 packages we take care ourselves as well | 08:01 |
| tarzeau | while i'm trying to reduce the number of package managers, i get one added by ubuntu. great | 08:01 |
| lotuspsychje | i think hggdh knows more of this topic | 08:01 |
| tarzeau | hggdh: ^ thanks for any hints | 08:02 |
| lotuspsychje | i just picked up the news chromium will be snap focused | 08:02 |
| tarzeau | i just dist-upgraded my disco to eoan, and got my face slapped by snap | 08:02 |
| guiverc | tarzeau, could you use firefox; it's still supported as deb going forward | 08:04 |
| tarzeau | guiverc: it's not my choice, i can't persuade 2000 users (no idea how many of them use chromium) to use firefox instead | 08:05 |
| lotuspsychje | holy smokin... | 08:06 |
| lotuspsychje | i really wish they leave the user the choice.... | 08:06 |
| tarzeau | we do | 08:06 |
| tarzeau | we as me and my workplace. but if ubuntu starts forcing users to get snap | 08:06 |
| lotuspsychje | i mean from canonicals point of view | 08:06 |
| guiverc | to learn more maybe this will help https://discourse.ubuntu.com/search?q=chromium%20snap (chromium & snaps; it was heated for awhile, but it's not news anymore..) | 08:06 |
| tarzeau | i'll seriously consider switching back to debian (with the risk nvidia not officially supporting debian) to get into trouble | 08:07 |
| lotuspsychje | : ( | 08:07 |
| tarzeau | google went away from ubuntu | 08:07 |
| tarzeau | us switching is a little drop, hardly noticable | 08:07 |
| tarzeau | oh, now i know why my chromium suddenly sucks. because it's a snap | 08:08 |
| OerHeks | tarzeau, you are free to plan snap updates https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date | 08:13 |
| tarzeau | OerHeks: the page doesn't tell me how to turn off the automatic updates | 08:15 |
| tarzeau | i will need to wait until 20.04 i guess to figure out how many packages will be force-snapped for my decision to not go with snap (or must) | 08:16 |
| OerHeks | sudo systemctl mask snapd.service ## sudo systemctl unmask snapd.service - Removes the link to /dev/null and restores the ability to enable and or manually start the service | 08:17 |
| lotuspsychje | tarzeau: ive tested the chromium snap on bionic, and once started its very fast & responsive for me | 08:17 |
| OerHeks | https://askubuntu.com/a/1045599 | 08:17 |
| tarzeau | lotuspsychje: you kept running it 30+ days? | 08:18 |
| lotuspsychje | no | 08:18 |
| lotuspsychje | drops down performance? | 08:18 |
| tarzeau | OerHeks: can you add that to the official snapcraft.io/docs ? | 08:18 |
| tarzeau | lotuspsychje: i don't know, mine's running only since a day :) | 08:18 |
| tarzeau | https://serverfault.com/questions/102588/maximum-numbers-for-file-system-mounts-in-linux what a pity the max is at 100k now | 08:19 |
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