[07:57] <tarzeau> i have installed chromium-browser and now it's a transitional package forcing me to snap
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: chromium will be snap only from now
[07:57] <tarzeau> i'm using non-interactive, automatic repeating, security updates with something like cron-apt. who and how will the snap get security updates?
[07:58] <tarzeau> do i have the option to not use the snap? opt out of it?
[07:58] <tarzeau> we do have multiuser machines, where i think it might take more resources than needed
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: for now chromium apt version is still there, but i think it will vanish in the future
[07:58] <tarzeau> 20.04 won't have it?
[07:59] <tarzeau> i'm fine building my own local versions for our own reprepro repository. where can i see all packages like this transition2snap package?
[08:00] <tarzeau> ubuntu security support only supports 38.6%(5 years) of the packages we install, 20.8% (3 years). and about 40.2% not at all
[08:01] <tarzeau> and we've got about 190 pip2/pip3 packages we take care ourselves as well
[08:01] <tarzeau> while i'm trying to reduce the number of package managers, i get one added by ubuntu. great
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> i think hggdh knows more of this topic
[08:02] <tarzeau> hggdh: ^ thanks for any hints
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> i just picked up the news chromium will be snap focused
[08:02] <tarzeau> i just dist-upgraded my disco to eoan, and got my face slapped by snap
[08:04] <guiverc> tarzeau, could you use firefox; it's still supported as deb going forward
[08:05] <tarzeau> guiverc: it's not my choice, i can't persuade 2000 users (no idea how many of them use chromium) to use firefox instead
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> holy smokin...
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> i really wish they leave the user the choice....
[08:06] <tarzeau> we do
[08:06] <tarzeau> we as me and my workplace. but if ubuntu starts forcing users to get snap
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> i mean from canonicals point of view
[08:06] <guiverc> to learn more maybe this will help https://discourse.ubuntu.com/search?q=chromium%20snap  (chromium & snaps; it was heated for awhile, but it's not news anymore..)
[08:07] <tarzeau> i'll seriously consider switching back to debian (with the risk nvidia not officially supporting debian) to get into trouble
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> : (
[08:07] <tarzeau> google went away from ubuntu
[08:07] <tarzeau> us switching is a little drop, hardly noticable
[08:08] <tarzeau> oh, now i know why my chromium suddenly sucks. because it's a snap
[08:13] <OerHeks> tarzeau, you are free to plan snap updates https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date
[08:15] <tarzeau> OerHeks: the page doesn't tell me how to turn off the automatic updates
[08:16] <tarzeau> i will need to wait until 20.04 i guess to figure out how many packages will be force-snapped for my decision to not go with snap (or must)
[08:17] <OerHeks> sudo systemctl mask snapd.service ## sudo systemctl unmask snapd.service - Removes the link to /dev/null and restores the ability to enable and or manually start the service
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: ive tested the chromium snap on bionic, and once started its very fast & responsive for me
[08:17] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/a/1045599
[08:18] <tarzeau> lotuspsychje: you kept running it 30+ days?
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> no
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> drops down performance?
[08:18] <tarzeau> OerHeks: can you add that to the official snapcraft.io/docs ?
[08:18] <tarzeau> lotuspsychje: i don't know, mine's running only since a day :)
[08:19] <tarzeau> https://serverfault.com/questions/102588/maximum-numbers-for-file-system-mounts-in-linux what a pity the max is at 100k now