[00:23] <OerHeks> next intel  SWAPGS/WSGRBASE -leak... https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/08/silent-windows-update-patched-side-channel-that-leaked-data-from-intel-cpus/
[00:23] <OerHeks> good thing: Exploiting the vulnerability using JavaScript is not possible
[00:24] <OerHeks> "SWAPGS attack" https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/08/06/microsoft-confirms-new-windows-cpu-attack-vulnerability--advises-all-users-to-update-now/#4a44755173f8
[00:25] <OerHeks> .. maybe AMD too ..
[00:25] <pragmaticenigma> but "sudo apt full-upgrade windows10" doesn't work
[00:26] <OerHeks> you must log out as ghost user first?
[00:26] <pragmaticenigma> oh
[00:26] <OerHeks> you know, user 0
[00:26] <pragmaticenigma> maybe that's what I'm doing wrong
[00:26] <pragmaticenigma> I have user -1... does that work?
[00:26] <OerHeks> oke, put 2 fingers in your nose, and turn your mouse upside down
[00:26] <OerHeks> then reboot by pulling the powercor...wait
[00:27] <OerHeks> -1 ?
[00:27] <pragmaticenigma> how do i turn my mouse upside down and pull the powercord if my fingers are in mah nose?
[00:27] <OerHeks> man user -1 ; are you pregnant?
[00:27] <sarnold> no no put your fingers in your mouse and turn your nose upside down
[00:27] <pragmaticenigma> ah, makes more sense
[00:28] <pragmaticenigma> dang-nab-it...the mouse bit me
[00:28]  * pragmaticenigma goes and gets badages and a hammer
[00:28] <pragmaticenigma> so ... um ... anyone know where I can get a new mouse, relatively cheap these days?
[00:29] <OerHeks> sometimes 2nd hand stores have nice mouses
[00:30] <pragmaticenigma> eewww... don't want a mouse that someone used while watchin naughty film
[00:30] <pragmaticenigma> brand new please
[00:30] <pragmaticenigma> :-D
[00:31] <OerHeks> yes, i know, the mousewheel is the dirtiest place on earth
[00:31] <pragmaticenigma> for sure!
[00:31] <sarnold> .. right after the human mind
[00:31] <OerHeks> hop on your bicycle, i have a trackpad somewhere
[00:34] <OerHeks> 52.3929173 N  4.6250156 W
[00:34] <pragmaticenigma> uh ohes... I'm negatives longitudes... that's gunna be a long bike ride
[00:45] <sarnold> don't be so hard on yourself I'm sure you could be more positive if you put your mind to it
[00:46] <sarnold> also I think you'll want to bring some goggles and flipperdeals
[00:46] <OerHeks> carefull for the sharks!
[00:46] <sarnold> they're more scared of you than you are of them
[00:47] <pragmaticenigma> say that to the 36 shark attacks this past month on the eastern seaboard of the north american continent
[00:48] <OerHeks> yeah, i read that, knee deep water ..
[00:49] <OerHeks> and what about those asian carps ...
[00:49] <OerHeks> are they not tasty?
[00:50] <pragmaticenigma> carp doesn't typically make for good eating, but they make a fine fertilizer for farm fields I hear
[00:52] <pragmaticenigma> I guess dependin on who you ask, they might make a decent meal: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/eat-the-enemy-asian-carp_n_6324896
[00:53] <Bashing-om> Carp == pressure cooker == fish patties :)
[00:54] <pragmaticenigma> dog food is what my dad would call that
[00:55] <Bashing-om> pragmaticenigma: Truth !
[00:57] <tomreyn> mcdonals calls it chicken mc nuggets
[00:59] <OerHeks> here we have 'kibbeling', fish pieces in crust ..
[00:59] <OerHeks> nobody can tell what fish and what part :-D
[01:00] <OerHeks> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Kibbeling_001.JPG
[01:03] <tomreyn> or whether
[01:03] <tomreyn> maybe veggie food is much more common than we all think
[01:04] <pragmaticenigma> anything deep fried and served with a mayo/ranch type dressing is probably hard for anyone to resist
[01:05] <OerHeks> Ravigott sauce... the secret
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:06] <OerHeks> bed bugs?
[03:06] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> i had my hours, all good :p
[08:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:11] <EoflaOE> Good morning
[08:46] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:32] <EoflaOE> hello BluesKaj
[11:32] <BluesKaj> hi EoflaOE
[11:33] <EoflaOE> BluesKaj: Launchpad got attacked by spammers because I have seen questions and bugs that are spammy
[11:34] <BluesKaj> that comes with the territory, it's not new
[11:35] <EoflaOE> BluesKaj: Yes. I know that is not new.
[11:35] <BluesKaj> even linux users can be spammers
[11:36] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj!!!! Hello!!!!
[11:36] <marcoagpinto> My dear brother!
[11:36] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[11:37] <EoflaOE> BluesKaj: Yes. And the questions to "Launchpad itself" are filled with "Please remove spam..." and hi marcoagpinto
[11:37] <marcoagpinto> hi
[11:37] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[11:39] <EoflaOE> I have made a blog site which is focused on tech and Ubuntu. Do you want to check it out?
[11:39] <marcoagpinto> me?
[11:39] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[11:40] <marcoagpinto> I have been working on the GB speller + thesis since 6am
[11:40] <marcoagpinto> I have no life :(
[11:41] <EoflaOE> Yes. Do you want?
[11:41] <marcoagpinto> sure
[11:41] <EoflaOE> https://eofla.wordpress.com
[11:42] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[11:42] <marcoagpinto> it has a story... the Professor said that my thesis isn't a story :(
[11:43] <marcoagpinto> reading your page makes me realise how the professor was right
[11:43] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Thank you so much.
[11:43] <marcoagpinto> the text flows naturally in your page
[11:44] <marcoagpinto> damn... it is so well written
[11:45] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Yes. I proofread as I write.
[11:45] <marcoagpinto> yes, so do I in my thesis and use a grammar checker, LanguageTool
[11:46] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Nice. I found a bug in Nautilus on Ubuntu 19.10
[11:47] <marcoagpinto> I haven't used my VMs because of the Kernel 5 issues
[11:47] <marcoagpinto> but I guess 18.04 won't update it since it is the ESR
[11:47] <marcoagpinto> LTS
[11:48] <EoflaOE> OK. My Ubuntu VM on VirtualBox is stable.
[11:51] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: You would be the right person to improve my thesis... if I win the EuroMillions on Friday I will pay you :p
[11:51] <marcoagpinto> jk
[11:51] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:51] <EoflaOE> OK.
[12:06] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: https://i.imgur.com/udCcMqT.png
[12:16] <JimBuntu> thesis time...
[12:16]  * JimBuntu slides a frosted mug of root beer to marcoagpinto 
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> no alcohol for marco
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> slide it to lotus
[12:24] <pragmaticenigma> oh boy... :-(
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> its true, he takes meds...
[12:44] <JimBuntu> that was root beer, not fermented beer
[12:46] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[12:46] <marcoagpinto> I don't drink alcohol
[12:46] <marcoagpinto> I take medicines
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: ^
[12:47]  * lotuspsychje burps lol
[13:09] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaa... I am so stressed... >:)
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> ./join #irc-therapy
[13:10] <marcoagpinto> :p
[13:10] <marcoagpinto> I will try to nap in two hours
[13:11] <pragmaticenigma> marcoagpinto: Take two hours of this, and call the doctor the next morning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB-qEYVdvXA
[13:12] <marcoagpinto> ohhhh... cats
[13:12] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:12] <marcoagpinto> I too have cats at hom
[13:12] <marcoagpinto> home*
[13:12] <pragmaticenigma> you didn't bring them with you to work?
[13:12] <pizzaiolo> every place needs a shop cat
[13:13] <marcoagpinto> what?
[13:13] <marcoagpinto> I am at home
[13:13] <marcoagpinto> I only work on the weekends
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> how are you stressed??!!??!!
[13:13] <marcoagpinto> and last weekend I was depressed and didn't go... and the doctors are in vacation
[13:13] <marcoagpinto> pragmaticenigma: too much going on
[13:14] <pizzaiolo> marcoagpinto right there with ya
[14:43] <tomreyn> i'm a bit late on this but ... DebConf talks with videos: https://debconf19.debconf.org/talks
[16:09] <nicomachus> which releases are on the 5.0 kernel? I've been paying so little attention I didn't even know 5.0 was out.
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: 19.04 and 18.04 with hwe
[16:10] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: huh. Pretty sure I have hwe on my 18.04 but I'm still on 4.15
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> brb gotta eat first
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: if you installed bionic from the start you have 4.15
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: if you download the iso currently you got 5.0 now
[16:14] <nicomachus> gotcha
[16:14] <daftykins> nasty nasty HWEs
[16:14] <daftykins> ;)
[22:16] <sonicwind> RIP   https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/cnazeh/osdisccom_is_no_longer_in_business/
[22:40] <tomreyn> have any of you use me_cleaner against a cherry trail and can discuss their experiences?
[22:40] <tomreyn> or any cpu really
[23:06] <sarnold> I wouldn't test it on any system I needed to work..
[23:07] <daftykins> is this something that's meant to disable the Intel Management Engine?
[23:11] <tomreyn> yes it is
[23:11] <tomreyn> i'm visiting a friend wh's got a matching flasher, so this seems worthwhile.
[23:12] <tomreyn> and, yes, i don't depend on this system to work.
[23:13] <daftykins> heh i'm running prime95 on the Dell Precision laptops i got for a friend and client recently, the 45W hex core i7 coffee lake CPUs are almost hitting 100 deg C on a couple of cores in one of them
[23:21] <tomreyn> better don't touch them!
[23:21] <tomreyn> is this with the latest bios installed?
[23:29] <daftykins> first thing i do with new kit :)
[23:29] <daftykins> BIOS, ME, thunderbolt firmware... the list goes on
[23:30] <daftykins> normally i'd be happy to pop them open and replace the paste in case it'll help
[23:39] <tomreyn> i wouldn't even know how to upgrade thunderbolt firmware - but then i don't have any systems which have this.
[23:40] <daftykins> just Windows utilities provided on Dell's downloads page for the model
[23:41] <daftykins> amusingly, the tool first powers on the controller - the OS suddenly goes "oh hey, new hardware..." and sets it up, so the updater fails as it doesn't find the device within a given time window... then you run it a second time and it's all fine
[23:41] <tomreyn> i see. so... if they get this hot then they're hopefully meant to? what do those specs say?
[23:42] <daftykins> well one of them is nudging its' Tj Max so that doesn't seem too ideal, i'm tempted to have a go at the paste but i've got the service manual open and it looks a decent bit involved compared to usual
[23:42] <tomreyn> :-/
[23:43] <daftykins> plus... it feels kind of wrong to mess when it's new and under warranty :D
[23:43] <tomreyn> i guess you can't custom control the fan speeds either
[23:43] <daftykins> wouldn't want to fight its' own choices really, they're definitely running high :D
[23:44] <daftykins> huge twin fan twin heatpipe design too, so i'm really glad i didn't go with the other models that have far worse cooling