[00:37] Can anyone confirm/deny whether ubuntu uses mailman 3 or 2 to serve https://lists.ubuntu.com/ ? [00:39] I'm trying to get this running to test styles with: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman [00:39] but not sure if it's the right version [00:40] wxl: @teward001 ^ may have the answer for that. [01:33] @paintface07: The footer on e.g. says "version 2.1.20" [02:09] Ahh, missed that... [02:09] Thx! [02:48] @paintface07 [Can anyone confirm/deny whether ubuntu uses mailman 3 or 2 to serve https://list …], Mailman 2.1.2 [02:48] confirmed by https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/admin and the footer [04:06] Thanks @teward001 [04:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL13b89473771b: Add Channel list context screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL13b89473771b [06:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALef82be6824f3: Reorder Quassel Prefrences] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALef82be6824f3 [06:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL16106086633e: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL16106086633e [06:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7773957d7fb8: Move checkbox to correct paragraph] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7773957d7fb8 [06:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL814922b368ac: Add Custom timestamp format checkbox] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL814922b368ac === guiverc2 is now known as guiverc [13:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T95: Better Menu Icons] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T95#1833 [14:05] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic 18.04.3] has been marked as ready [14:06] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic 18.04.3] has been marked as ready [14:24] (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/XRD7slI.jpg [14:24] ^ I was downloading ubuntu 18.04.3 [14:26] any idea why this might be happening ? [15:08] The_LoudSpeaker, maybe you were just ahead of a/the sync (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors shows the archive mirror up-to-date, no record is kept for ISOs; but this is pure guess) [15:19] @guiverc [ The_LoudSpeaker, maybe you were just ahead of a/the sync (https://lau …], How can I be ahead? I don't understand. [15:20] I was using estointernet. and according to the link you sent, It's up to date. [15:21] sorry, i was thinking you were trying to download 18.04.3 before your mirror had fully sync'd with main archive.ubuntu.com (the link was for archive, there isn't one for ISO mirrors as for status) [15:21] 18.04.3 was officially released Thu Aug 8 14:01:59 UTC 2019 which wasn't that long ago (what my thinking was) [15:22] okay. it started downloading now so lite. [15:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T48: nm-tray icons] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T48#1835 [16:14] Just completed compiling the .deb file for lubuntu-grub-theme [16:14] Yay! [16:21] But can't test rn. XD Gotta go. Mess closes in 10. Then will have to wait till morning to eat anything. [16:28] Any idea why debuild was giving me error while dpkg-buildpackage didn't ? [19:52] What time is the meeting? it will be difficult for me to be but I will do my best to be [19:52] 1hr [19:53] @wxl [ 1hr], Ok thanks [19:53] hope to see you there :) [19:56] If in the end I cannot be, comment that we are correcting yesterday's document and that in the following days we will continue to create channels [19:57] sounds good [20:00] but if I have time I will be reading the rest of the mates, these dates are being a bit idle for me, sorry. [20:00] no worries [20:00] thanks for all the help [20:00] you've been doing fantastic things [20:02] Thanks to you, I try to learn everything I can, but you have too much knowledge for me and sometimes I get lost [20:03] well it's taken years to get it all and i'm learning every day, so don't feel bad! [20:03] Thanks ;) [20:09] It takes all of us years to develop this kind of knowledge, but if you stick with it, you'll get good at it ;) [20:10] i was actually thinking this morning that it was only within the last year or two that i started reading the xdg specs [20:11] Seriously though, it's all a big puzzle. Once you learn what each piece does, you just get it [20:12] and sometimes it's just a matter of not knowing the answer but looking for it [20:12] i find all sorts of things in the code :) [20:13] That's true. If you know how to search for the answer, you are golden [20:13] i think it's mainly having the willingness to try and to ask questions if you don't find what you're looking for [20:13] Right [20:24] It's friday already? Yay! [20:37] @The_LoudSpeaker [It's friday already? Yay!], jajaja, you need to use a weekly calendar [20:38] @HMollerCl [jajaja, you need to use a weekly calendar], No need, then I will always be waiting for weekend. This is good, feels good to be surprised by the weekend when you have 31 hours of classes a week. XD [20:39] well, it is NOT Friday [20:39] sorry to tell you [20:39] Raman is from the future. [20:39] it's thurday. Thurdays is the day of the meeting (not wednesday) [20:40] @HMollerCl [well, it is NOT Friday], It's Friday 2.10 am [20:40] He is ahead of us as far as timezones. [20:40] jajaja, you're right, I forgot that. [20:40] Looks like you need a world clock XD [20:41] @The_LoudSpeaker [Looks like you need a world clock XD], yup [20:41] *parcels a world clock to @HMollerCl * [20:41] 16:41 here in the East for reference. [20:41] East coast US that is. [20:42] UTC-5 [20:42] @kc2bez is UTC-4 [20:42] @kc2bez [16:41 here in the East for reference.], same here [20:42] If you just memorize how to get the time given the UTC offset, you're golden [20:42] UTC+5.30 for me. [20:42] wxl: wbu? [20:42] The half past thing messes with me. [20:43] Daylight messes with me. XD donn't understand it. [20:43] XD [20:44] (Photo, 1024x768) https://i.imgur.com/eDJZ9rS.jpg [20:44] @kc2bez do you remeber this? [20:44] -0700 [20:44] ^ `date +%z` [20:44] Yeah, it looks very familiar. [20:44] (Photo, 1024x768) https://i.imgur.com/8IFfu86.jpg and this? [20:44] @The_LoudSpeaker [UTC+5.30 for me.], So let me guess, it's 2:15 AM by you? [20:45] @tsimonq2 [So let me guess, it's 2:15 AM by you?], Yeah. [20:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T72: tweak minimum requirements] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T72#1837 [20:45] YESSSSSSSSSSSS @HMOLLERCL [20:45] I'm makin the presentation for ubuconla and will start from the beggining of Qt and GTK.. [20:46] Very nice [20:46] it's clear even back then qt looked better [20:46] Agreed :) [20:47] I have to admit that that time I liked better gnome, to many colors in kde. [21:03] !standup [21:03] standup is @tsimonq2 @lynorian @HMollerCl @aptghetto @teward001 @SamuelBanya @kc2bez @The_LoudSpeaker wxl[m] guiverc it's 2100 UTC Thursday which means it's time for the Lubuntu Development standup meeting. Please announce yourself for roll call! Afterwards, in order of announcement, post your items and be sure to mention when you're done. [21:03] !standup [21:04] lugito slept? [21:04] apt-ghetto: just did that. [21:04] @ubot93 [ standup is @tsimonq2 @lynorian @HMollerCl @aptghetto @teward001 @Samuel …], Ah! didn't see that. Thanks! [21:04] \o [21:04] |o| [21:04] o/ [21:04] °\ [21:06] Real life has really been taking a toll for me lately. Y'all know how it is [21:06] Indeed [21:07] When I get home in about three hours I'll publish the 18.04.3 announcement [21:07] Unless someone wants to go ahead with that [21:07] (as release manager it probably looks better if my name is on it but at the end of the day it really doesn't matter an awful lot) [21:07] o/ [21:08] feel free :) [21:08] Otherwise I've been chugging along, fixing issues as they arise [21:08] We have notes.lubuntu.me now [21:08] Yes, very nice. [21:08] Right now it's pretty restricted to Lubuntu Members but I might open that up [21:09] Working with reviewing draft docs for the globalization team (nice work!) [21:09] That's about the gist of it for me [21:09] is there some sort of verification thing like there is on phab? [21:09] (with open signups) [21:09] Oh, and besides welcoming a new Reddit mod [21:09] Yeah, there's no Ubuntu SSO but there's e.g. GitHub [21:10] i don't mean authentication [21:10] but verification.. spam prevention basically [21:10] I don't think it refers to an MTA at all [21:10] Which is why I've been hesitant to open it up [21:10] yeah i'd say don't [21:11] thinking about pad.u.c [21:11] Fair enough. If you want a login, just ask and someone with SSH access will manually give you one [21:11] Maybe we can even implement our own verification system [21:11] For the time being though, it's relatively closed off [21:12] Anyway, that's basically all from me. Any questions? [21:12] yup! [21:12] i think we should make it public and allow certain non-members to have access, but they'd have to go through us [21:12] what shall we do with nm-tray!! [21:12] @wxl [ i think we should make it public and allow certain non-members to have acc …], Yeah [21:12] @HMollerCl: ship it! [21:12] @HMollerCl [what shall we do with nm-tray!!], Don't wait on LXQt upstream because they tend to take a long time to release [21:13] If you can't cherry pick, make a Git snapshot [21:13] @tsimonq2 can we edit the front page to indicate to people they need to ask for access? [21:13] ok, we discuss how to do that later [21:13] @wxl [ @tsimonq2 can we edit the front page to indicate to people they need to as …], Probably? That's a good question [21:13] @HMollerCl [ok, we discuss how to do that later], 0kau [21:14] I do want to say that I really appreciate the work y'all have been doing. I may be less involved than normal these days but I see the work that everyone is doing and it's absolutely appreciated. [21:14] come back to us, simon. we need you. :) [21:14] @tsimonq2 [I do want to say that I really appreciate the work y'all have been doing. I may …], ~~ [21:15] +1 wxl [21:15] I'm working on it guys, I promise [21:15] Don't come without a cup of coffee tho. [21:15] @tsimonq2: how do i hack on this thing? do i need admin credentials? or everything's through the backend? is it in its own container? [21:15] @wxl [ @tsimonq2: how do i hack on this thing? do i need admin credentials? or ev …], It's in an LXD container and deployed via their instructions for deploying with Docker [21:16] @wxl [ come back to us, simon. we need you. :)], +1 [21:16] ugh dockerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [21:16] ikrr [21:16] It's "Docker way or the highway" [21:16] :/ [21:16] anyways thanks [21:17] who's next? [21:17] The software is sooo good though [21:17] Thanks everyone, keep it up [21:17] i think @tsimonq2 jumped the gun [21:17] @apt-ghetto seems like he's first up [21:17] Commented on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T105, https://phab.lubuntu.me/T83, and https://phab.lubuntu.me/T72 [21:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- Error: T105, is an invalid task reference. [21:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- Error: T83, is an invalid task reference. [21:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] tweak minimum requirements: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T72 [21:17] Created new task https://phab.lubuntu.me/T107 [21:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Clean up calamares settings: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T107 [21:19] That is basically all. Maybe if @tsimonq2 and/or @teward001 could comment on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87 how to go on? [21:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87 [21:19] Don't forget about the upstream work on cala :) [21:20] That was last week [21:20] Landed in the release this week [21:20] IT COUNTS [21:22] Thanks apt-ghetto for everything. [21:23] that it? [21:23] Is it not enough? [21:23] it's more than enough! [21:23] i really appreciate you taking on the FDE issue [21:24] @tsimonq2: please make sure to look at T87 and provide next steps. urgent. [21:24] It is quite an interesting topic to work on [21:24] kc2bez: go [21:24] I'll split my paste up a bit. [21:25] * Tasks [21:25] - Commented on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87 [21:25] - Commented on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T48 [21:25] - Commented on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T72 [21:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87 [21:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Wishlist, Open] nm-tray icons: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T48 [21:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] tweak minimum requirements: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T72 [21:25] * Packaging [21:25] - Started working on new Calamares release 3.2.12. [21:25] Wanted to discuss if We should drop the sudo vs pkexec patch. Pkexec should work everywhere. We don't use that .desktop file though it does show up in the menu. We have a different one that allows firefox to run as a regular user not root. Should we hide it so only one shows in the menu by changing the patch? [21:25] * Testing [21:25] - Tested 18.04.3 for release [21:25] * Upstream [21:25] - Commented on this LXQt forum post https://forum.lxqt.org/t/monitor-settings/836 [21:26] * TODO [21:26] - Calamares settings cleanup https://phab.lubuntu.me/T107 [21:26] - Calamares Software chooser testing [21:26] - If no one else gets to it first https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99 [21:26] - Keeping tabs on the wallpaper contest which ties into https://phab.lubuntu.me/T76 [21:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Clean up calamares settings: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T107 [21:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Fix DND with MTP devices: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99 [21:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] need new looks: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T76 [21:26] i'd make a task for that and ask tsimonq2 specifically. i didn't wrestle with the whole pkexec thing, so i'm not confident of my abilities to really comment on it. [21:26] ok will do [21:27] yeah i think if you want to grab that mtp fix, that would be rad [21:27] I will shuffle things a bit while I wait to hear back. [21:28] That is all I have. [21:28] good job, thx [21:28] raman go [21:29] Yup! In a sec. [21:29] Tasks … * About Keyboard Shortcuts, … Filled the differential for cleaning and modifying lxqt-rc.xml … Asked upstream about new release of lxqt-globalkeys. … It is less likely that they will release before FeatureFreeze … But agiada said he will try. … If the release is not available by FeatureFreeze, … D18 is pre [21:29] sent. Let me know if any changes are needed. … D17 and D18 should be landed simultaneously. … https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59 … https://phab.lubuntu.me/D17 … https://phab.lubuntu.me/D18 … * About lubuntu-grub-theme, … Compiled the .deb file for lubuntu-grub-theme … Tested it in a disco vm. works. … Still changes are required here and the [21:29] re. … https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30 … https://github.com/ramansarda2000/lubuntu-grub-theme … * About Xscreensaver themes, … Ummm.. Might take a while. … Will try to get it before FinalFreeze. … https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21 … * About $BROWSER … Commented on T53. … https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53 … * About mailing lists, … Only one non mail [21:29] was pending review this week. … It was spam. … TODO: … * Create a ppa for grub theme by the weekend. … Oops! It's tommorrow only. … * Wait for new release of lxqt-globalkeys. … * Take a look at T21. … * Set up a bot to constantly poke @tsimonq2 about finding instagram credentials. … * Apply for lubuntu membership. … ** Port Redshift-gtk to Qt. [21:29] … Aiming for Furbaby. … https://phab.lubuntu.me/T78 … * Learning Outcomes. … Learnt many things about patching. … Learnt little-bit of packaging .deb files from source. … Got sbuilder set up but the changes get lost after closing. … Should I just use chroot instead? [21:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] fix keyboard shortcuts: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59 [21:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Accepted] Edited Shortcuts.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D17 [21:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] Edited shortcuts so that they don't interfere with openbox key bindings.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D18 [21:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Theme GRUB: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30 [21:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Our xscreensaver theme is too old: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21 [21:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] get rid of `$BROWSER`!: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53 [21:30] i'm not sure how much i missed there with the ellipses [21:30] but good work as always :) [21:30] i really like your bot idea [21:30] Oops! Indents got messed up message in irc. 🤦🏻‍♂️ [21:30] since you're thinking of applying for membership, maybe you should work with kc2bez on that mtp/dnd fix [21:31] Which one? [21:31] the more experience the better [21:31] T99 [21:31] and that one is basically ready to go so should be way simpler [21:31] Ack. [21:31] (than globalkeys) [21:31] It will be much better than globalkeys ! [21:31] i'd try really hard to do as many packaging tasks as you possibly can [21:32] global-keys is simple only. Just need a new release. XD [21:32] that will go a loooong way to membership [21:32] Yup! Will do. [21:32] About sbuild: The idea is to have a clean environment to build the packages. That's why you loose the changes. [21:32] that [21:32] great work raman. love having you on the team. [21:33] Reach out when you want to work on it Raman. [21:33] even if you can't copy and paste in a way i can read X'''''''''''D [21:33] But I can't copy the compiled binaries out of it. [21:33] i suggest we discuss the meat and potatoes stuff after the meeting, if that's ok with everyone [21:33] wxl: want me to send it again? [21:33] noo i'm just picking on you :) [21:34] K. :) [21:34] ok @HMollerCl you're up [21:34] ok [21:34] @wxl [ i suggest we discuss the meat and potatoes stuff after the meeting, if tha …], Goodluck! I am going now. Bye. Thanks! [21:34] I'm making the presentation for UbuConLa [21:34] thanks again raman [21:35] good night @The_LoudSpeaker [21:35] I could share the presentation with you but it is in Spanish [21:35] share share :) [21:36] +1 [21:36] Send it anyways. [21:36] get someone to provide english subtitles :) [21:36] https://phab.lubuntu.me/T48 nm-tray I make some comments on that and now I know we can't wait for agaida. [21:36] Also, good evening to you. @HMollerCl [21:36] Experimented on how to solve menu icons … https://phab.lubuntu.me/T95 [21:37] comments on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T72 [21:37] oh thanks for reminding me about that. i have an idea [21:37] Commented in http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2019/07/comparison-of-memory-usages-of-ubuntu-1904-and-flavors-in-2019.html [21:37] ^^^ didn't know that! cool! [21:37] main problem there is that he doesn't use the same tool [21:38] @HMollerCl re: T95 we do have /usr/share/Lubuntu in XDG_DATA_DIRS. i realize it's empty/the directory is non-existent, but i bet if there's a file in lubuntu-default-settings, it will go there. you should experiment [21:38] and that would be on my side. I need to work in https://phab.lubuntu.me/T98 but haven't have time for it. [21:39] *waves* [21:39] @wxl [ @HMollerCl re: T95 we do have /usr/share/Lubuntu in XDG_DATA_DIRS. i reali …], I tried, with icons there, but haven't tried with .desktops there [21:39] That woul dbe on my side [21:39] great work! [21:39] \r\n [21:40] :) [21:40] @N0um3n0 did you want to go? [21:40] As I said before, we continue to improve the global team document and we will continue to gradually create channels, it seems that the Japanese moves a lot on twitter. We will start with that language, then Arabic, Chinese, Italian ... [21:42] we will do that this week and see if we finish the document that will be put on the phab wiki [21:42] right now that's all [21:43] i'm SO EXCITED about this [21:43] thanks so much for your hard work (and the rest of the global team) [21:43] ok @teward001 you got anything? [21:44] working with Canonical on the Discourse SSO issue, seems the issue is on Discourse’s side, no eta yet but IS is digging. [21:44] @wxl [ thanks so much for your hard work (and the rest of the global team)], thanks to you [21:44] Going to be deploying SMTP to the root box on the infra soon... [21:44] "soon" [21:44] ... it will have the configs ‘ready’ [21:44] or soon? :) [21:44] But needs Canonical to be on standby for actual testing [21:45]