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[06:15] <xubuntu5w> Hi there, I always update my xubuntu but sometimes it becomes error after updating even one of my desktop was broken its hard drive. How should I ? To update or not ?
[06:23] <pragomer> xubuntu5w: sorry, I dont understand your question
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[06:29] <xubuntu5w> I always update my xubuntu by using software updater but after updating my xubuntu become worse. One of my desktop was broken its hard drive because of that. How should I ? To update the os or not to update it ?
[07:02] <gnrp> xubuntu5w: You should always update it. But when you do a major step (from one Ubuntu version to another), you should be more careful
[07:02] <gnrp> anyway, I doubt a hard drive breaks because of an ubuntu update
[07:10] <xubuntu5w> Is there any safely method to update my xubuntu without worrying conflict in my xubuntu ?
[07:42] <guiverc2> xubuntu5w, in my [inexpert] opinion, you should remove all 3rd party sources/software (eg. PPAs etc) to bring your system back to only ubuntu sourced software, then the release-upgrade (release-bump) should occur without problems; it's usually 3rd party sources that create issues (or software from Ubuntu that was intended for a different release)
[07:45] <xubuntu5w> thanks to @gnrp and @guiverc2 for the opinions
[07:52] <pomeha> hello
[07:53] <pomeha> I have an issue similar to this: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/535324-MODSIGN-Couldn-t-get-UEFI-db-list
[07:53] <pomeha> `kernel: Couldn't get size: 0x800000000000000e`  `kernel: MODSIGN: Couldn't get UEFI MokListRT`
[07:58] <pomeha> what's kwallet?
[08:00] <pomeha> `lightdm[1685]: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_kwallet.so): /lib/security/pam_kwallet.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory` `lightdm[1685]: PAM adding faulty module: pam_kwallet.so`
[08:00] <pomeha> afair I might have thought that it is related to KDE and simply disabled/uninstalled it, because `apt list --installed | grep wallet` returns nothing
[08:02] <pomeha> pulseaudio[2590]: [pulseaudio] backend-ofono.c: Failed to register as a handsfree audio agent with ofono: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.ofono was not provided by any .service files
[08:02] <pomeha> maaan, the journalctl is full of red stuff :(
[08:09] <xubuntu5w> \exit
[08:56] <gnrp> pomeha: Do you have configured kwallet somewhere? I mean, obviously it is not installed...
[08:56] <gnrp> I would just grep for wallet in /etc/
[08:57] <gnrp> pomeha: I mean, do you have any actual problems?
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[17:32] <Mead> so I'm looking to try out a xubuntu image nad I see the 18.04-1, 18.040-2, and etc. what are the difference with the - nubmers?
[17:33] <rud0lf> yes
[17:34]  * Mead slaps rud0lf around a bit with a large trout
[17:37] <Mead> what is different between the differnet versions of the lts  18.04 ?
[17:38] <rud0lf> Mead: most definetly the greater sub-release number, the newer
[17:38] <rud0lf> take the highest, less upgrading
[17:38] <Mead> sooo it just has all the updates?
[17:39] <Mead> how much or what was updates to created the sub release number?
[17:53] <Spass[m]> Mead: you can read mor about point releases here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PointReleaseProcess
[17:54] <Spass[m]> basically it's an updated ISO of the LTS release (mostly) that contains all the security updates etc.
[17:55] <Spass[m]> newer point releases also ship with a newer kernel (from the HWE - Hardware Enablement - branch)
[17:56] <Spass[m]> it's for the people who want to do a fresh install of a LTS release on their machines, so that they don't need to do so much upgrades right an the beginning
[18:13] <Mead> Spass[m]: thanks
[18:28] <Spass[m]> no problem (oh boy, my English... *many upgrades)
[19:09] <rud0lf> proper english is the last thing you should care about, it's enough to get understood
[19:25] <sm0rux> To all you guys maintaining Xubuntu: a big thank you for all the work you do!
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[20:06] <commandline> hello
[20:06] <diogenes_> hi
[20:06] <commandline> is this the official xubuntu support channel?
[20:07] <diogenes_> yes
[20:07] <commandline> ok
[20:07] <commandline> is their any other support channel for xubuntu other that forums?
[20:07] <commandline> like as on telegram?
[20:08] <commandline> ?
[20:10] <diogenes_> maybe fb, not sure.
[20:11] <genii> Some of the *buntu support channels have a Telegraph brigge to IRC like #kubuntu ... do not think this one does, however
[20:11] <genii> *bridge
[20:13] <genii> commandline: There are also mailing-lists for each flavour which can be used for support, albeit not in real-time of course. The mailing list names are typically named like kubuntu-users lubuntu-user xubuntu-users ...etc
[20:13] <genii> https://lists.ubuntu.com/#Community+Support
[20:14] <commandline> yea but that takes a lot of time, thanks anyway
[20:41] <genii> hm
[21:05] <Spass[m]> yeah genii nobody has time for that ;)
[21:25] <sm0rux> Hi. I like the menu using the GNOME 2 settings in the Xfce Panel Switch. For everything else I like the Xfce 4.12 better. How can I use the GNOME 2 menu in Xfce 4.12?
[21:33] <brainwash> sm0rux: by gnome 2 menu you mean the classic application menu? it can be added to the plugin
[21:35] <sm0rux> brainwash: That is probably what I mean, yes :) Are there any guide how to att the classic application menu to the plugin?
[21:35] <brainwash> right click on the panel and add it
[21:37] <sm0rux> Of course. I'm so stupid. Sorry! And thanks a zillion, now I'm extremely happy! Tjoho :)
[21:37] <brainwash> great :)
[21:39] <sm0rux> Ahh... I was too quick... I meant the Whisker menu. However, found it. NOW I'm super happy! :)
[22:00] <sm0rux> brainwash: You are my hero - this is exactly what I ment... https://allg.one/2PdY