| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 02:04 |
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| pragmaticenigma | nighty night | 02:06 |
| lotuspsychje | hey pragmaticenigma | 02:06 |
| pragmaticenigma | yo | 02:06 |
| pragmaticenigma | think we finally got B|akops straightend out | 02:07 |
| pragmaticenigma | at least for now | 02:07 |
| lotuspsychje | oh yeah? what served him finally? | 02:07 |
| daftykins | until next time? :) | 02:07 |
| pragmaticenigma | What it appears to be, is the hope that Ubuntu (linux) will magicially breath new life into a 13 year old computer and have all the bells and whistles | 02:08 |
| pragmaticenigma | tonight it was glitchy graphics, because they were attempting to install the proprietary drivers and manually trying to install other drivers for an ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 | 02:09 |
| pragmaticenigma | A chipset that is so old, it is best served by the default opensource drivers | 02:09 |
| * daftykins chuckles | 02:09 | |
| pragmaticenigma | They even claimed as much when they said everything was running smoothly on the USB live instances | 02:09 |
| daftykins | polishing a turd is a true favourite of open source converts | 02:09 |
| lotuspsychje | i explained him, i ran xenial/bionic for years on my amd3200 + ati x800 with 2gb | 02:09 |
| lotuspsychje | tweaked of course but.. | 02:10 |
| pragmaticenigma | lotuspsychje: but I imagine you are not installing the proprietary drivers for that... or if you are, you sought out the ones for that particualr chipset | 02:10 |
| pragmaticenigma | I think they come away with a better understanding of what's going on at the very least... now we just have to get them to move away from Unity | 02:13 |
| lotuspsychje | pragmaticenigma: my x800 finally died, so i had to buy other goodies :p | 02:14 |
| pragmaticenigma | The statement I gave them about if they don't like the changes made, then move over to Lubuntu or Xubuntu ... since neither has changed much at all since 12.04 | 02:14 |
| pragmaticenigma | at least interface wise... under the hood they've had lots of changes, but they strive to keep a familiar interface through and through | 02:15 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah he didnt want lightweight, cause ubuntu-desktop is 'purple' bling bling | 02:15 |
| pragmaticenigma | right... not that you can't achieve the same feel on Lubuntu | 02:15 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 11:17 |
| EoflaOE | Hi BluesKaj | 11:17 |
| BluesKaj | hi EoflaOE | 11:17 |
| TJ- | Sunday morning progress - fixed the mouse sending spurious scroll-wheel events... took it apart again, opened the rotating switch itself, IPA-ed it and generally poked about, and re-assembled. Must have been something conductive caught in the spring-loaded prongs | 11:54 |
| EoflaOE | TJ-: Nice. Are there any problems left? | 12:22 |
| TJ- | I think I've made it smoother than it ever was but that may just be me being hyper-sensitive to it after suffering for a month or so! | 12:23 |
| TJ- | It's a definite relief though to not have to use the touchpad to scroll! | 12:24 |
| EoflaOE | OK. Would you be able to help me about making GRUB use 1440x900 resolution? Since I use 19.10 I will have to ask in #ubuntu+1. | 12:26 |
| Mathisen | EoflaOE, edit /etc/default/grub GRUB_GFXMODE=whatever | 12:37 |
| EoflaOE | Mathisen: I already did that in the past and updated GRUB, but it still is 1024x768 | 12:38 |
| Mathisen | try adding GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD="keep" | 12:39 |
| EoflaOE | I already have it added as well. | 12:40 |
| Mathisen | then im out of ideas | 12:40 |
| Mathisen | but that should work | 12:40 |
| EoflaOE | Yes, should have worked, but didn't. | 12:41 |
| lotuspsychje | hey EoflaOE | 12:44 |
| Mathisen | EoflaOE, may be related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1753837 | 12:44 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1752767 in grub2-signed (Ubuntu Bionic) "duplicate for #1753837 grub2 regression, simultaneous console and video graphical glitches with new patch" [Undecided,Fix released] | 12:44 |
| lotuspsychje | and hi Mathisen TJ- | 12:44 |
| EoflaOE | Mathisen: I can't see --append on the 00_header. Where can it be found? | 12:50 |
| TJ- | EoflaOE: because the fix mentioned in those bugs removed it | 12:51 |
| EoflaOE | OK. | 12:53 |
| EoflaOE | I put the quotes around the resolution, still nothing. Did I found a bug? My GPU is AND Radeon 9200 Series. | 12:57 |
| EoflaOE | AMD* | 12:58 |
| lotuspsychje | EoflaOE: did you test physical vs VM ? | 13:11 |
| EoflaOE | Physical on my old PC. | 13:12 |
| lotuspsychje | EoflaOE: no grub res problem there? | 13:13 |
| EoflaOE | I told it to set it to 1440x900 and updated grub, however it reverts back to 1024x768. | 13:14 |
| OerHeks | radeon 9200 .. too old | 13:18 |
| EoflaOE | Yes. Too old. | 13:18 |
| OerHeks | i remember it is an onboard GPU | 13:18 |
| EoflaOE | Radeon 9200 is the dedicated GPU that you can insert and remove. | 13:19 |
| === lotus|i7 is now known as lotus|NUC | ||
| TJ- | EoflaOE: use 'videoinfo' from GRUB shell to find out what modes it detects (from firmware) https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#videoinfo | 13:23 |
| EoflaOE | TJ-: OK. I saw resolutions like 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, etc. Although the preferred mode is 1440x900, it's not listed there. The 0x123 is selected. I can't go up to see the rest. | 13:25 |
| TJ- | EoflaOE: use "set pager=1" then rerun the command | 13:26 |
| OerHeks | it is not a bug, just a too old gpu, RV280 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver#Supported.2C_but_hardware_is_too_old_for_Unity | 13:27 |
| EoflaOE | TJ-: Thanks. The Cirrus CLGD 5446 PCI Video driver, Bochs PCI video driver, and the VGA Video Driver say "No Info Available", then, on VESA BIOS Extension Video Driver, I first saw my VRAM which is 12MB which is wrong, then the paletted planar and paletted resolutions of 800x600 and 1024x760. But there is no 1440x900 resolution available on the I | 13:29 |
| EoflaOE | nfo. | 13:29 |
| TJ- | EoflaOE: which is why GRUB cannot set the mode correctly then | 13:34 |
| EoflaOE | OK Thanks anyways. | 13:35 |
| TJ- | EoflaOE: is that system UEFI or BIOS boot ? | 13:39 |
| EoflaOE | BIOS. My old PC can't do UEFI because it's from 2004. | 13:40 |
| TJ- | EoflaOE: If UEFI there ought to be a GOP driver which would correctly report modes | 13:40 |
| TJ- | Ahhh... ouch, that is old! | 13:40 |
| ZaZaGX | update it! | 13:40 |
| TJ- | Back then even VGA BIOS functions often didn't report a correct list of modes, only hard-coded standard SVGA modes, and 1440x900 isn't one of them | 13:41 |
| ZaZaGX | ohhh ok | 13:41 |
| EoflaOE | OK. Thanks for the clarification. | 13:42 |
| ZaZaGX | I think Ubuntu doesn't like my laptop | 13:45 |
| OerHeks | not only ubuntu, whole linux does not like your gpu :-( | 13:45 |
| ZaZaGX | :( | 13:46 |
| OerHeks | not sure there are AGPx2/x4 cards supported | 13:47 |
| ZaZaGX | thats pretty old | 13:47 |
| EoflaOE | ZaZaGX: What is your GPU? | 13:47 |
| ZaZaGX | Intel UHD graphics 620 | 13:48 |
| OerHeks | oh, i swiched cards, intel 620 should work fine | 13:49 |
| EoflaOE | Too new. Mine on my new PC is UHD 630. | 13:49 |
| ZaZaGX | hmmm | 13:51 |
| ZaZaGX | Does the new Ubuntu 18.04.3 kernel saves more battery life like in the 19.04? | 13:53 |
| OerHeks | ZaZaGX, there are no stats about that, it depends on the services installed i guess | 13:53 |
| ZaZaGX | well i remember reading since 18.10, its supposedly support better battery life | 13:54 |
| ZaZaGX | well, i kind of miss Ubuntu. it gave me like 1-2 more hours of battery life | 14:01 |
| Kon- | lotuspsychje: You asked me if I'd reported my bug, here it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe/+bug/1839750 | 14:58 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1839750 in linux-signed-hwe (Ubuntu) "40% performance loss in Mesa with Linux 5.0" [Undecided,New] | 14:58 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx Kon- | 15:24 |
| lotuspsychje | Kon-: can you also attach your dmesg booting 5.0.0.23 please | 15:25 |
| Kon- | Actually have no idea what that is | 15:27 |
| lotuspsychje | !dmesg | Kon- | 15:27 |
| ubot5 | Kon-: dmesg is a console command which outputs the kernel ring buffer - an important log for diagnosing problems in Linux. Often when something errors with hardware it will result in additional lines reported which can be seen by running dmesg in a console. | 15:27 |
| Kon- | Interesting, thanks | 15:31 |
| lotuspsychje | Kon-: you can save it in a .txt if you like, then add to the bug as attachment (booted from 5.0.0.23) | 15:36 |
| lotuspsychje | Kon-: it might also be interesting to describe, how you measured the 40% loss exactly? do you benchmark? | 15:38 |
| Kon- | Sure thing, let me go do that real quick | 15:39 |
| lotuspsychje | Kon-: tnx for taking your time to do this | 15:39 |
| Kon- | Well, I certainly want this fixed lol | 15:39 |
| lotuspsychje | dmesg has been attached to bug #1839750 | 15:50 |
| ubot5 | bug 1839750 in linux-signed-hwe (Ubuntu) "40% performance loss in Mesa with Linux 5.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1839750 | 15:50 |
| daftykins | going so new probably needs a PPA'd newer shiny mesa | 15:53 |
| lotuspsychje | not sure whats going on, he's fine on kernel 4.18 | 15:55 |
| lotuspsychje | Kon-: tnx for updating your bug + dmesg, pretty useful! | 16:01 |
| Kon- | No problem | 16:02 |
| lotuspsychje | Kon-: can you show us: sudo lshw -C video plz? | 16:05 |
| Kon- | Sure | 16:10 |
| Kon- | added that to the description | 16:12 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx | 16:13 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: i know youre all over the place, but its raining install bugs in #ubuntu-bugs-announce | 16:20 |
| jeremy31 | failed to install grub-efi-amd64 to /target? | 16:21 |
| lotuspsychje | grub-installer & ubiquity filed against | 16:23 |
| lotuspsychje | bug #1839761 | 16:23 |
| ubot5 | bug 1839761 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "grub" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1839761 | 16:23 |
| lotuspsychje | bug #1839762 | 16:23 |
| ubot5 | bug 1839762 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "grub error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1839762 | 16:23 |
| lotuspsychje | bug #1839770 | 16:23 |
| ubot5 | bug 1839770 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "NVMe. Crash during installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1839770 | 16:23 |
| lotuspsychje | bug #1839771 | 16:23 |
| ubot5 | bug 1839771 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install of 19.04 failed on Lenovo Thinkpad W520" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1839771 | 16:23 |
| jeremy31 | It seems grub has problems installing to EFI with an internet connection after any update to grub packages | 16:24 |
| TJ- | is that for 19.10 or others ? | 16:27 |
| jeremy31 | TJ-: pretty much everything since 18.04 | 16:27 |
| jeremy31 | There was a big outbreak on July 10, 2018 | 16:33 |
| TJ- | this may be related to gst568293's questions earlier, note in bug #1839761 UbiquitySyslog.txt " grub-installer: info: Identified partition label for /dev/sda6: msdos" | 16:33 |
| ubot5 | bug 1839761 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "grub" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1839761 | 16:33 |
| TJ- | What's changed in that time-frame for ubiquity to have it selecting a partition rather than whole device ? | 16:33 |
| lotuspsychje | grub-installer: info: Calling 'apt-install grub-efi-amd64-signed' failed | 16:39 |
| lotuspsychje | those all over the place | 16:39 |
| jeremy31 | 1839761 That one is trying to EFI install with msdos partitioning | 16:50 |
| TJ- | jeremy31: which is perfectly valid | 16:55 |
| OerHeks | UEFI needs GPT, no? | 16:55 |
| TJ- | No | 16:57 |
| TJ- | UEFI spec requires support for both GPT and MSDOS labels | 16:57 |
| TJ- | finally found where in ubiquity source the install device is set: | 17:01 |
| TJ- | db_subst grub-installer/progress/step_install_loader BOOTDEV "$bootdev" | 17:01 |
| TJ- | d-i/source/grub-installer/grub-installer:1002:db_subst grub-installer/progress/step_install_loader BOOTDEV "$bootdev" | 17:01 |
| TJ- | so whatever is setting that debconf var | 17:02 |
| jeremy31 | TJ-: is $bootdev in preseed file | 17:23 |
| jeremy31 | https://gist.github.com/boxrick/3a4022d003daa63b7d27cca7f0f99894#file-gistfile1-txt-L48 | 17:26 |
| TJ- | jeremy31: from what I can tell it can be but it is set from the (default) choice made in the GUI... it looks like grub-install does the correct thing now even when given a partition number. I can't be bothered to track down when that changed though! | 17:33 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: I've been going through several of those bugs and so far each one is 'user error' or 'network failure' or some form - in one case trying to install to an NTFS file-system! | 17:34 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: so maybe this a a by-product of the installer allowing/selecting a partition as the install target. | 17:34 |
| TJ- | this was a funny one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1838070 | 17:37 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1838070 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "Unable to add dyndbg to command line" [Undecided,Invalid] | 17:37 |
| OerHeks | lotuspsychje, "I had to turn up the brightness and it stopped" ...? https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/cojwj8/i_was_running_ubuntu_18042_on_lenovo_thinkpad/ | 19:08 |
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