[00:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL157b922aaee4: Reword Position sentence] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL157b922aaee4
[00:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5f2d4526f373: Reword Configuring lxqt-runner] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5f2d4526f373
 @lynorian new nm-tray has a "scan wi-fi" option
[00:33] <lynorian> HmollerCL Yeah that is one of the things I will get to when focusing on 19.10 
[00:33] <lynorian> I am revising runner stuff now
[00:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1df72db4cbc6: Reorder positioning menu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1df72db4cbc6
[00:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL997952c53eba: Add shown on menu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL997952c53eba
[00:55] <lynorian> @Hmollercl thanks for telling me that
[02:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T58: consider minimal install] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58#1957
 https://twitter.com/cubic_logic/status/1159470535463624705
 Who wants to report a bug? XD
[02:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGINGe691acdf2580: Package Calamares for new upstream release.] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGINGe691acdf2580
[05:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALba3236e20833: Add How to move window to 2nd monitor] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALba3236e20833
[06:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4aa472acbddd: Add position with multiple monitors] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4aa472acbddd
[12:17] <scmlinux> Good morning, everyone.
[13:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T54: Properly implement different wallpapers for different monitors] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T54#1959
[14:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T84: Change default screenshot utility to screengrab from lximage-qt.] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T84#1961
 Hi @RikMills skanlite is packaged by kubuntu?
 @HMollerCl [Hi @RikMills skanlite is packaged by kubuntu?], At the moment its just synced from debian
 I want to propose a change of Icon in the .desktop, currently they use scanner.svg, why not skanlite.svg?
 Do you know who I need to talk too?
[14:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T54: Properly implement different wallpapers for different monitors] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T54#1962
 Pino Toscano <pino@debian.org> did last packaging
 thanks!
[16:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T103: Properly deal with translations on the blog] Noumeno (Roberto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T103#1965
[16:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T104: Get translations going again] Noumeno (Roberto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T104#1967
[17:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL05ef8f4e8582: Add note on needing to add widgets to new panel for it to be useful] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL05ef8f4e8582
 wxl: about T59. https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59 … Do we still wait for nxt release?
[18:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] fix keyboard shortcuts: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59
 Re: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30 … Which repo does this go so that it is included in live USB? Should we install the theme automatically or give an option to users as @aptghetto suggested? If the theme is installed, it won't show up unless the system is dual booted. which is okay as many people don't want grub to unnecessarily 
[18:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Theme GRUB: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30
 idk if it's just happening with me. whenever in pcmanfm-qt, the sidebar where bookmarks and places shortcuts are present, gets resized after every reboot.
 even when I resize it to my liking and select "preserve settings for this folder" from "view"menu
 anyone facing same thing?
 It is happening since I upgraded from 19.04 to 19.10 3 days ago. vm.
 @guiverc can you reproduce this?
[19:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa4f8983a9ccd: Style field for units of length or panel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa4f8983a9ccd
[19:25] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker re: T59 i'll bug agaida
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker re: T59 i'll bug agaida], I commented on issue on github.
[19:28] <apt-ghetto> @The_Loudspeaker are you sure, that T107 is resolved?
 oops! mistake.
 I will open it again.
[19:28] <apt-ghetto> Thanks
 I was trying to use this app for quick access to phab.: … https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=in.citrusleaf.alphred … It has default gesture. I didn't know. … Sorry. Won't happen again.
 Congratulations to @The_LoudSpeaker for becoming an official member of the Lubuntu project!
[19:32] <apt-ghetto> @The_Loudspeaker congrats and welcome in the team
 Also, wxl: In the ubuntu-users list, I have a message in Spanish. I don't understand Spanish. Will you take a look please?
 @tsimonq2 [Congratulations to @The_LoudSpeaker for becoming an official member of the Lubun …], Shouldn't there be a meeting first?
 And questions?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Shouldn't there be a meeting first?], We decided to process your application :)
 We don't have any questions
 @tsimonq2 [We decided to process your application :)], ❤️
 Thank you very much!
 Many more details coming via PM :)
 Thank *you*
 @tsimonq2 [Many more details coming via PM :)], Ack.
[19:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7b5cb0a09b67: Add Visible thin maring for hiddden panel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7b5cb0a09b67
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also, wxl: In the ubuntu-users list, I have a message in Spanish. I don't unders …], Talk with me
 @N0um3n0 [Talk with me], check pm.
 Congrats @The_LoudSpeaker
 Thanks!
[19:39] <wxl> now raman needs to start his developer application
 And so does @HMollerCl and @aptghetto ;)
 You're right though
[19:40] <wxl> yes
[19:41] <wxl> raman:
[19:42] <wxl> 1240 < wxl:#lxqt> agaida: so a release soon then?
[19:42] <wxl> 1241 <+agaida:#lxqt> yeah - i promised it
 Ack. wxl: I will keep checking everyday from now.
 @wxl [<wxl> now raman needs to start his developer application], That's a long way. I am just a kid.
[19:46] <apt-ghetto> Also the longest way starts with the first step.
[19:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1254e27976aa: Add animation duration] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1254e27976aa
[19:47] <wxl> raman age doesn't matter. just get the app in!
 @The_LoudSpeaker [That's a long way. I am just a kid.], Heh, heh, I don't think he knows does he :)
[19:47] <wxl> ^^^^^^^
[19:47] <wxl> @tsimonq2: is actually 8yo
 HAHAHAHA
 You wish
 No, I'm actually 17
 I started contributing when I was 13
 @tsimonq2 [I started contributing when I was 13], oO
 @N0um3n0 [oO], Yes
 @tsimonq2 [No, I'm actually 17], Yeah. I know that. But I meant in terms of knowledge not age.
 ohh
 I get what you mean
[19:57] <wxl> you know a lot more than most
 This is true
[19:58] <wxl> and that's a lot right there
[19:59] <wxl> @tsimonq2: GRUB for ISOs is in cdimage?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: GRUB for ISOs is in cdimage?], debian-cd
 Ubuntu's fork, not upstream
[20:00] <wxl> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu
[20:00] <wxl> ?
 I was just gonna ask for link only. didn't find on phab.
 @wxl [<wxl> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu], Yeah
[20:02] <wxl> we should probably start a wiki page with locations for lp-only projects
[20:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6af723d51c29: Move keyboard shortcut for menu to proper place in menu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6af723d51c29
 @wxl [<wxl> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu], I cloned this, also set up bzr. next instructions ploxxx. A wiki page maybe?
 bzr is like a wierd version of git
 with different names of everything
 but actually came first
 Yeah. I remember reading somewhere that bzr is old.
 Or maybe a senior told me.
 if anyone has any links, please let me know.
[20:34] <TJ-> Depends on which bazaar you're on about, the bazaar/bzr as you know it now was a rewrite from 2007 based on something earlier, baz.
 `Bazaar` (bzr) 2.8.0dev1
 I actually want instructions on packaging for programs which will be added to live-cd.
[20:40] <TJ-> How do you mean? the Live image is 'just' an installed set of packages (+ config) in a squashfs read-only file system
 I have to add grub theme to it. so it shows up when a live usb of lubuntu is booted.
 Also have to package it so that it also gets installed after installation.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Also have to package it so that it also gets installed after installation.], for this, rLUBUNTUARTWORK is the place I suppose. (Someone confirm)
[20:48] <TJ-> Seed the package into the squashfs package list, add hooks to activate it. That squashfs is copied to the target on install. Remember thought that it will only work for UEFI mass storage mode boots of the liveISO, not BIOS nor El-Torito (ISO9660), also be aware that *many* systems are broken in terms of setting grpahical modes for GRUB and can leave the user with no display at boot-time. Finally,
[20:48] <TJ-> remember that many of the systems Lubuntu gets installed on ARE older, with no UEFI, so the live installer is more likely to boot in BIOS/syslinux mode not GRUB
 ^
[20:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa82f3fe25dc1: Update super shortcut to left super keyboard keys] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa82f3fe25dc1
 @TJ- [<TJ-> remember that many of the systems Lubuntu gets installed on ARE older, wit …], Yup! in those cases, GRUB won't show up. Okay. No Hard feelings syslinux mode :)
[20:54] <TJ-> The biggest problem you've got is the wide variety of BROKEN BIOS/UEFI in terms of reporting modes the GPU cannot actually support which often result in no display at all until the Xserver starts
[20:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3cd1413d80fb: Style remove from quickluanch] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3cd1413d80fb
[21:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALacb2a92fb7f1: Add only current screen checkbox] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALacb2a92fb7f1
[21:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6f343130b2f6: Add Reset button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6f343130b2f6
[21:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb927f291c3fa: Move need to add widgets to add new panel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb927f291c3fa
 @The_LoudSpeaker rART
 @HMollerCl [@The_LoudSpeaker rART], ack.
 there is where plymouth logo should go
 not sure if grub
[21:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T92: 19.10 manual changes] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T92#1976
 but I remember that almost a year ago wxl was strugling with grub theme for 18.10, he should know where it should be.
[21:51] <TJ-> /usr/share/grub/themes/$THEME_NAME/
 wxl: In case of skanlite, the .desktop is set in the code from kde. https://cgit.kde.org/skanlite.git/tree/src/org.kde.skanlite.desktop … Should we contact them or the debian packager? … Or another option? … In case of system-config-printer, from here https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/system-config-printer/master/view/head:/
[22:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> TJ-: ack. Thanks!
 I don't see them changing their .desktop quick.
 but I agree that at least in skanlite the number of languages is hughe (but they do a release every 2 years apparently)
[22:35] <TJ-> Why do we need all (?) these changes ? instead of altering the packages couldn't you use dpkg-divert from the lubuntu-* whatever package and then put the preferred file in place of the original package? That prevents per-package deltas 
 mmm, interesting I didn't knew about that
 where can I find more info about it TJ-?
[22:55] <TJ-> About dpkg-divert ? It's a standard part of all installs... I have a customised version of it I use that automatically creates the 'diversion' path under /etc/dpkg-divert/orig/inal/path/to/file to make it easy to reason about diversions (standard dpkg-divert usually puts them in the original directory with some extension tacked on)
[22:56] <TJ-> See e.g. https://debian-administration.org/article/118/Replacing_binaries_with_dpkg-divert