[00:10] Is Sumsung Galaxy compatable with UT? [00:11] @Vlad Mirson [Is Sumsung Galaxy compatable with UT?], Please see the supported devices in the group description [00:12] I saw this list. [01:38] @Vlad Mirson [Is Sumsung Galaxy compatable with UT?], Well officially it is not compatible, but there are a couple ports for various galaxy devices in varying stages [01:38] @Vlad Mirson [Is Sumsung Galaxy compatable with UT?], [Edit] Well officially it is not supported, but there are a couple ports for various galaxy devices in varying stages [01:55] Chaz Doe was added by: Chaz Doe [03:28] kishini was added by: kishini [03:29] hi, would you like to know if Anbox works correctly in UT? [04:02] @kishini [hi, would you like to know if Anbox works correctly in UT?], Are you asking us if we want to know , or are you asking cause you want to know? [04:02] i presume the latter [04:03] I would to, but better to ask to make sure [04:03] i suppose [04:03] For all we know they tested it and just want to see if we're interested in feedback [04:05] i guess that's possible [04:05] Improppable, but possible [04:07] @Tygerpro [Are you asking us if we want to know , or are you asking cause you want to know?], Thw second [04:07] @Tygerpro [Are you asking us if we want to know , or are you asking cause you want to know?], [Edit] The second [04:08] in that case the answer is that anbox is experimental and thus is not ready for daily use [04:08] Yay, I got a bootloop on this note 4 ... stupid locked bootloaders [04:09] yay [04:09] @Fuseteam [in that case the answer is that anbox is experimental and thus is not ready for …], OK, tks [04:12] Gah, I deleted the file I need, dang it [04:14] I downgraded it from 6.0.1 to 5.1.1, and downgraded the bootloader to a unlockable one, soft brick to realize I deleted the downgrade firmware, ugh this stinks [04:26] grrr [04:31] Exactly, I seriously need a better laptop, the one Im using only has a 32GB eMMC with no upgrade option :( [04:42] dang :/ [05:30] Yeah, my server is doing all the heavy lifting, my laptop is just a dumb terminal with storage for personal files badically [10:40] @Tygerpro [Exactly, I seriously need a better laptop, the one Im using only has a 32GB eMMC …], Which one is that? [12:14] Yomi Ab was added by: Yomi Ab [12:14] Fwd from Crypto Greatness: On the "Crypto Greatness" you will find: … • Opinion pieces about cryptocurrency … • Profitable trading recommendations … • Professional analytics from Stansberry Churchouse Investment Fund … • Qualitative reviews of cryptocurrencies … Recently they have told which coins will [grow 30 times](https://t.me/crypto_ [12:14] great/41) and more in 3 years. … Subscribe on @Crypto_Great and increase your crypto capital! [12:59] Hi guys, I've tested libertine on the hammerhead edge channel. The display output is pretty much distorted. Is this a known issue? Is this a problem of the edge channel or the current libertine state in general? [13:00] edge [13:00] Okay, thanks. Will it work in devel? [13:01] i presume so [13:01] or it could just be the app you're using. it was working ok on edge on my nexus 4 last i tried it. [13:02] Do you know the reason for this issue? [13:02] well there's a new mir in edge, so probably related to that [13:02] @Guido [Hi guys, I've tested libertine on the hammerhead edge channel. The display outpu …], there's an open issue for that and there's a workaround although it's quite hard to do 😅 … if you're on windowed mode, you can resize the app and the display will work in certain sizes. [13:02] I've tried mate-terminal as well as libreoffice, both not working. [13:03] Okay, thanks for your help. I'll will try to find the workaround and see if I can handle it. 😉 [13:06] I've checked windowed mode and yes, it works for some window sizes. At least one way to go. 😊 [13:06] Thanks @Javacookies ! [13:07] wow I'm surprised you quickly found a certain size that worked 😁 [13:10] Well, in my case, it seems that up to a certain window height, it works without any issue. [13:17] Above that height, independent of the width, it doesn't work. [13:32] I remember that depending on the app (GTK or QT), the onscreen keyboard was working or not and as far as I remember, the OSK has been working for the mate-terminal previously. However, now it doesn't. Is there a way to force the OSK to open and stay open? [13:34] BTW, i really like that Xapps are shown together with the Click apps on the Dash! 😊 [13:34] Great job! [13:44] Pasacalles was added by: Pasacalles [13:45] Es posible instalar ubuntu touch en un nokia lumia 640 lte...mil gracias...??? [13:45] @Pasacalles [Es posible instalar ubuntu touch en un nokia lumia 640 lte...mil gracias...???], https://t.me/UBPorts_ES [13:45] no, it is not [13:45] No??? [13:45] yeah, OSK seems to be not working on edge at the moment … parent and child window works though 👍 [13:45] @Pasacalles [No???], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io [13:46] No entiendo mucho el ingles, pero gracias??? [13:47] @Pasacalles [No entiendo mucho el ingles, pero gracias???], https://t.me/UBports_es por favor [13:48] esta grupo ubports para hablando español [13:50] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/sNwpkl5b.mp4 [13:51] Please be polite! [13:51] I removed that. No need to be rude 😉 [13:51] Otherwise moderation and bans happen [13:51] thx [13:52] Sorry sir penguin and Chuck Norris [13:52] [Edit] Sorry sir penguin and Walter White [13:54] Hmm, interesting, in the process of unlocking the bootloader, the sd card became a bootloop card ... very interesting [13:55] Plugging said sd card into laptop results in laptop spazzing out ... [14:25] When will it be possible to pay to the foundation? [14:26] @Tygerpro [Yeah, my server is doing all the heavy lifting, my laptop is just a dumb termina …], basically my dream with ubuntu touch :3 [14:28] @Cesar_Herrera [When will it be possible to pay to the foundation?], you can donate now, no? [14:28] or do you mean bank transfer? [14:28] Bank [14:35] @Javacookies [yeah, OSK seems to be not working on edge at the moment … parent and child window …], Okay! [15:33] I have 2 questions about drivers for my Nexus 5: … 1. Does UT Installer install Adroid drivers to my Nexus 5? … 2. If these drivers were written by Android (Google) does anybody test them for backdors? [15:34] [Edit] I have 2 questions about drivers for my Nexus 5: … 1. Does UT Installer install Android drivers to my Nexus 5? … 2. If these drivers were written by Android (Google) does anybody test them for backdors? [15:35] @Javacookies [there's an open issue for that and there's a workaround although it's quite hard …], wow, this is huge! thank you! at least I can see something now lol [15:35] @Vlad Mirson [I have 2 questions about drivers for my Nexus 5: … 1. Does UT Installer install An …], there is a minimal android running in a container. it is required for the hardware to work. the proprietary blobs may have been written by google or the manufacturers of chips. [15:36] @Guido [I've tried mate-terminal as well as libreoffice, both not working.], Abiword and Gnumeric work ok for me in Libertine. [15:36] I understand that it is required for the hardware, but does anybody test it? [15:39] @TotalSonic [Abiword and Gnumeric work ok for me in Libertine.], sadly it doesnt work anymore on the nexus 5 [15:39] the only app that is working nowadays is GIMP [15:39] @Vlad Mirson [I understand that it is required for the hardware, but does anybody test it?], I believe @UniversalSuperBox tested to see how much a UT device "phoned home" relative to the same device on Android - and found the only streams were to the the UT push notification server. Maybe he can confirm or disconfirm this for us. [15:39] Many of you, guys, use UT kust for fun (you, probably, have lot's of free time), I forced to use UT just bacause I need cyber security. Our company is going to letigate with Google, so I really need to be sure that all these INCONVINIECES with UT are worth it. [15:40] @TotalSonic [I believe @UniversalSuperBox tested to see how much a UT device "phoned home" re …], that's only in userspace [15:40] Sorry for my poor English. [15:40] @dohbee [that's only in userspace], ok, thanks for correcting that [15:40] [Edit] Many of you, guys, use UT just for fun (you, probably, have lot's of free time), I forced to use UT just bacause I need cyber security. Our company is going to letigate with Google, so I really need to be sure that all these INCONVINIECES with UT are worth it. [15:41] @Vlad Mirson [Sorry for my poor English.], If your attackers are so advanced, the only safe data is airgapped. [15:41] Meaning: Your attackers have inside knowledge of the system you are trying to protect, no matter how small their internal knowledge, it is likely too great a risk. [15:41] @Vlad Mirson [Many of you, guys, use UT just for fun (you, probably, have lot's of free time), …], you are welcome to hire a firm with the tools to test for such things, but it's not really something we can do [15:42] at least not that we can do easily [15:43] @Vlad Mirson [Many of you, guys, use UT just for fun (you, probably, have lot's of free time), …], I use UT as my daily driver (for 10 months running) and depend on it for my own business - so not just for "fun" - and found it offers lots of options to be able to cut dependcies on Google services - but as far as a hardened OS designed [15:43] for cyber security it is still far from optimal [15:43] @dohbee [you are welcome to hire a firm with the tools to test for such things, but it's …], Plus we cannot provide any audits that you would need got get the full assurance of this kind of safety. [15:44] @malditobastardo [sadly it doesnt work anymore on the nexus 5], Gnumeric is working on my Nexus 5, but not Abiword. [15:44] Dalton, when you are speaking about my attackets who do you mean? [15:45] You say your expected attacker is Google [15:45] Do you know that thsi wonderful company - Don't be Evil hacked iPhones of all our managment? [15:45] no, but this is not the right place to make a claim as such [15:46] I respect the sentiment but I will not take it at face value. I don't believe Ubuntu Touch is the operating system for your needs. [15:46] Not yet. [15:46] @TotalSonic [I use UT as my daily driver (for 10 months running) and depend on it for my own …], GrapheneOS might have the hardening he's looking for. [15:47] I also don't need to know any more details of this alleged breach, and giving that information in public could make your case weaker. [15:47] @UniversalSuperBox [I also don't need to know any more details of this alleged breach, and giving th …], anything based on any android device probably is not [15:48] @UniversalSuperBox [I also don't need to know any more details of this alleged breach, and giving th …], Right. A judge might call it tainting the jury pool. [15:49] Your best bet is to find yourself a good lawyer and do everything they tell you to do, not what random people on the internet do. I don't believe we have any more expertise for your situation [15:49] 👍🏼 [15:50] Good grief! The emoji went supersize! [15:52] I understood, Dalton. Our company will defenetly hire lawyer and not just one. But security there working enviroment is on ME. I don't want them to use MS Word, or OS X, or iOS. I don't want Google to know what we (our Company) and our lawyers are doing. [15:52] @Vlad Mirson [Sorry for my poor English.], your English is very good - no need for apologies! [15:53] @Vlad Mirson [Many of you, guys, use UT just for fun (you, probably, have lot's of free time), …], and that is 99% true [15:53] @Vlad Mirson [I understood, Dalton. Our company will defenetly hire lawyer and not just one. B …], You are looking for very unique software that will cost you either a very large sum of money or a very large sum of convenience. You may wish to engage a contractor that specializes in this kind of work [15:54] You're talking about much larger problems than a bunch of volunteers on the internet will be able to help with. [15:54] @John (Marlin) [Gnumeric is working on my Nexus 5, but not Abiword.], yeah - I have only tested on OnePlus One and Meizu Pro 5 - weird how some of these libertine compatibilities are device specific [15:54] TBH the "can't trust anything" ideology is not going to get you very far with using modern technology [15:54] So, I am not the Edward Snowden, I don't need to hide info from everybody (for example I really believe that Goverment has right to hack citizens devices to protect the NATION) my task is to prevent leaking information to Google, Amazon, Facebook and Apple. [15:55] @John (Marlin) [Gnumeric is working on my Nexus 5, but not Abiword.], I was on stable then I jumped again on edge and nothing is working only GIMP I may have to recreate the container it seems or this is a problem related to the edge channel [15:55] Maybe Microsoft. [15:56] @Vlad Mirson [So, I am not the Edward Snowden, I don't need to hide info from everybody (for e …], https://t.me/UBportsOF [15:56] @malditobastardo [I was on stable then I jumped again on edge and nothing is working only GIMP I m …], yeah, apparently Edge is breaking lots of things in libertine - I am RC only here [15:57] So - just clear Linux (I prefer Debian) every where, limited number of applications on devices (only open source, of course), Firefox for daily serfing with Badger and HTTPS Everywher and Tor. [15:58] These will be enough to achive my goal - not to be leaked to these 5. [15:58] @malditobastardo [I was on stable then I jumped again on edge and nothing is working only GIMP I m …], I've kept the same container from stable to devel to rc ota-10. Same behavior on all. [15:58] @Vlad Mirson [So, I am not the Edward Snowden, I don't need to hide info from everybody (for e …], Yep, we understand fully. Still, what I believe you are looking for is an audited, signed, PYA guarantee that none of your data will reach those parties — we aren't in the position to provide that right now. We trust the privacy of [15:58] our own operating system, but for your situation I would not be signing a paper that said that. [15:59] Dalton, thanks for telling me that again. [15:59] Someone told me here that you conduct some "call" experiments with UT. [16:00] How did you implement this test? [16:00] Did you install something like Little Snich? [16:00] It was nothing so advanced, only modem statistics. If you'd like to conduct a more thorough test, you would need to place a packet sniffer between the phone's network connection and the internet [16:00] I know there is no good network/firewall software for even desktop Linux's. [16:01] A third party packet sniffer, mind. If you are this serious about auditing, you cannot trust software on the device to tell you the device is safe. [16:01] Packet Sniffer - I will search about that. Thanks. [16:02] Wireshark is the most commonly used [16:02] Thanks, Dalton very uch for the advise. [16:03] And if you are trying to be very careful, you may also want a radio capable of listening in on GSM and LTE frequencies. This will cost you considerable money, but will allow you to listen to the radio transmissions of the device. … It should be noted that the radio is an entire proprietary operating system that runs on the devic [16:03] e's main CPU to control the software-defined radio. It has full access to all device hardware and memory. [16:04] Wow radio? [16:04] the baseband modem [16:05] Yes. Any software-defined GSM and LTE modem on the market today will have such firmware. [16:05] (That's all of them) [16:05] muhajir_s was added by: muhajir_s [16:05] On phone hardware, the firmware shares the main CPU. [16:06] Wow. [16:07] There is little hope for a fully (third-party) auditable GSM and LTE modem in the forseeable future. If you are at the point of requiring that audit, you will not be able to trust any mobile hardware. [16:07] Since the software which runs on baseband processors is usually proprietary, it is impossible to perform an independent code audit. By reverse engineering some of the baseband chips, researchers have found security vulnerabilities that could be used to access and modify data on the phone remotely.[1][2] In March 2014, makers of the fr [16:07] ee Android derivative Replicant announced they have found a backdoor in the baseband software of Samsung Galaxy phones that allows remote access to the user data stored on the phone.[3] [16:07] From Wikipedia. [16:07] Indeed. [16:07] @UniversalSuperBox [There is little hope for a fully (third-party) auditable GSM and LTE modem in th …], if one is at the point of "i cannot trust any proprietary firmware" then one cannot trust any modern technology really [16:08] The_LoudSpeaker was added by: The_LoudSpeaker [16:10] Thanks, guys. For now I am leaving you. Will search, will think. [16:12] the fact that UT devices are not encrypted (at least without a lot of hacking) meaning that anyone that gets hold of them physically can likely access the data on theem also means UT is not a good choice for hardened security needs yet. [16:12] @TotalSonic [the fact that UT devices are not encrypted (at least without a lot of hacking) m …], not encrypted, and can't lock bootloader [16:12] I will keep my Nexus 5 in my pocket. [16:12] :) [16:13] [Edit] the fact that UT devices are not encrypted (at least without a lot of hacking) meaning that anyone that gets hold of them physically can likely access the data on them also means UT is not a good choice for hardened security needs yet. [16:13] nexus 5 is also vulnerable to firmware issues which won't be fixed because it is no longer supported by google/lg. [16:14] (as are other devices, to varying degrees) [16:31] thanks to the UBports team for the great update to the Weather app and for the smaller but useful update to the Gallery app! Will being able to indepedently choose Dark theme be added to Gallery app next, now that it can follow system theme? [16:35] To get larger fonts I tried to set higher scaling values in UT Tweak Tool, but I found anything larger than the default 28 makes the display expand to larger than the screen such that things on the right margin start getting cut off. In Android Acessibility options allow both the font size and display size to be adjusted. [16:37] ok [16:42] Ubuntu Touch OTA-10 is currently delayed due to "Google account key change invalidates authentication, can't sign back in" (https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1191). You can continue helping us test by following https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/call-for-testing-ubuntu-touch-ota-10-238. [16:58] I think my favorite thing about the UBports Soundcloud is that @malditobastardo's music is always queued to play after it [17:00] bq aquaris e5 4g work fine with UT? [17:00] no [17:01] ONLY E5 HD [17:01] Caps lock is fun [17:02] The other is not posible install ubuntu touch? [17:02] it is not [17:02] Correct [17:02] @UniversalSuperBox [I think my favorite thing about the UBports Soundcloud is that @malditobastardo' …], I noticed that... HA! [17:06] @UniversalSuperBox [Ubuntu Touch OTA-10 is currently delayed due to "Google account key change inval …], If that can help: I justed realised this behaviour today with my phone (FP2 stable). I deleted my 2 google accounts and then added them again. I could went throught the autorisation process (for ubuntu application) and I was then able [17:06] to sync calendar and contacts again. [17:07] Yes, it is good that it can be worked around [17:07] But that's not an acceptable workaround, sync-monitor-helper should be fixed if this is going to be a larger issue [17:07] Then I have done the same exact thing for my E5 on devel. The only difference is that outorisation process is asked for ubports application. But it works the same. [17:09] Finally I tried with my M10 FHD on devel by I couldn't because "autorisation were already granted to ubports application". It just works one time for a single device ? [17:09] @UniversalSuperBox [But that's not an acceptable workaround, sync-monitor-helper should be fixed if …], 👍 [17:40] Is Ota10 the same as current RC? [17:40] There will likely be a re-release [17:41] No, there will be a re-release. So it'll be next RC. Or however many it takes to get it right. [17:43] @UniversalSuperBox [I think my favorite thing about the UBports Soundcloud is that @malditobastardo' …], 😻😻😻 spoiler: I am already working for new stuff for ubports [17:43] I can't wait! [17:44] maldito music hmmm [18:06] HendricSimarmata was added by: HendricSimarmata [18:19] @UniversalSuperBox [No, there will be a re-release. So it'll be next RC. Or however many it takes to …], Thanks. Was listening to marius on podcast hoping this would help my unav issue. Oh well!!! 'Til next time!! [18:24] I dont know how exactly it works or if it is even possible. When a file downloads and internet connection is lost is it possible to set it to pause mode instead of download failed. So once internet is back the download can be resumed. [20:07] @malditobastardo [the only app that is working nowadays is GIMP], Strange, in my case, i.e., Nexus 5 on Edge, Gimp shows the same display issues than mate-terminal (see screenshot below). Libreoffice, Gnumeric et al. are not launching at all. [20:08] (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/pgDOB1Jc.png [20:13] Has anyone used mplayer succesfully within Libertine? [20:13] [Edit] Has anyone used mplayer successfully within Libertine? [20:15] I'm trying to stream PS Vita video via USB with a special plugin for the system, but I suspect the problem is that the tablet won't recognise the system's USB fingerprint (lsusb shows nothing besides the hub device I'm using). [20:22] hey guys is midi support feasible? [20:23] @Fuseteam [hey guys is midi support feasible?], sure [20:23] like playin on a electronic keyboard and recording it with a ut phone xD [20:23] @dohbee [sure], cool :3 [20:23] @TartanSpartan [Has anyone used mplayer successfully within Libertine?], I have gotten mpv, VLC, and SMplayer to work (with some flaws) in Libertine. Totem does not work - I haven't tried mplayer. [20:24] aside from the complete lack of realtime low latency audio support, anyway [20:24] @TartanSpartan [Has anyone used mplayer successfully within Libertine?], [Edit] I have gotten mpv, VLC, and SMplayer to work (with some flaws) in Libertine. Totem and Parole does not work - I haven't tried mplayer. [20:24] eh? hmmm [20:24] and drivers? [20:25] i mean, it's not a suitable replacement for a proper production audio system [20:25] ah i suppose that makes sense [20:25] probably not, midi-over-usb is pretty standard (as is osc iirc), so drivers are probably not the issue [20:26] AIIoT C was added by: AIIoT C [20:26]