=== vicamo_ is now known as vicamo [06:40] good morning desktoppers [06:50] Hi all [06:51] salut jibel [07:01] Morning oSoMoN and jibel [07:01] Did time zones change recently? [07:02] Or am I just confused when Didier doesn't log in super early? [07:06] hey duflu [07:07] no change in time zones as far as I'm concerned, it's probably Didier's absence that's confusing you indeed [07:07] good morning desktopers! [07:08] salut seb128 [07:08] lut oSoMoN, en forme ? [07:08] seb128, ça va, et toi? [07:08] Morning seb128 [07:08] ça va nickel :) [07:08] hey duflu, how are you today? [07:08] Ha. I should have noticed pulseaudio HEAD^ was tagged v12.99.2 [07:09] seb128, going OK. How are you? [07:09] I'm fine thanks [07:09] duflu, or use our version page :) === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski [07:09] would be nice if it would be possible to filter a specific set of packages you are interested in though [07:10] I do. Like with bugs and merge requests, just don't subscribe. Poll instead :P [07:10] Though I subscribe to plenty of bugs already. Just not all [07:15] seb128, I just remembered we prefer to base our PulseAudio on Debian's pristine-tar. So to avoid branching that a pristine-tar of 12.99 would ideally be put in salsa first [07:15] .99 is often included there [07:15] duflu, right [07:22] marcustomlinson, hey, I'm reviewing the libreoffice update in NEW [07:22] -help-common has [07:22] Replaces: libreoffice-common (<< 1:6.1.0~alpha1-1) [07:23] shouldn't that be updated to the previous version in Ubuntu? e.g 1:6.2.5-0ubuntu1 [07:37] RAOF, hey, there is a new colord 1.4.4 version available, do you think you could do the update when you get some spare cycles? [07:39] seb128: Sure! Maybe I'll do that now instead of shouting at this RPi some more! [07:40] RAOF, sounds good :) [07:57] morning all [08:01] Hi marcustomlinson [08:01] moin [08:02] Morning Laney [08:33] good morning marcustomlinson, Laney [08:35] hey oSoMoN marcustomlinson Laney, how are you today? [08:36] jamesh, weekly status update? ;) [08:36] seb128: on it. [08:36] seb128: good :) which reminds me, libreoffice 6.3.0 was uploaded to eoan last night. Looks like the arm64 build is still busy though... [08:36] * seb128 needs to hack into jasmesh's phone to set up a weekly calendar reminder :) [08:37] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.3.0-0ubuntu1/+build/17408406 [08:37] marcustomlinson, right, my comment on NEW from earlier is from that update, that's where -help-common was added in Ubuntu right? [08:37] seb128: sorry I lost the scrollback [08:37] seb128: yes that was added [08:38] marcustomlinson, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/08/13/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t07:15 [08:38] marcustomlinson, I think you need to update the C/R versions [08:38] otherwise those are not going to work for Ubuntu user upgrading from 6.2 to current [08:38] since it's << 6.1 [08:39] seb128: ah [08:39] ok will fix that [08:39] thx [08:39] don't upload only for that, as said I need to do the poppler transition and we will need an upload for it [08:40] but first let me try in a ppa :) [08:40] Good morning seb128! [08:40] I would like to put language-selector in a repository. Thinking that it would fit here: [08:40] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+git [08:40] but thought I'd ask first. [08:41] hey GunnarHj, how are you? [08:41] seb128: I'm fine, thanks. Hope you are too. [08:41] GunnarHj, sounds good to me to have it in the desktop section yes [08:41] I'm good yes, thanks [08:42] seb128: Then I'll make an attempt to put it there - without history, that is. [08:42] hi duflu oSoMoN seb128 GunnarHj [08:42] hey Laney, how are you? [08:43] doing alright [08:43] Laney, I can help this afternoon with the e-d-s transition if that's still needed [08:43] trying to clear off some other updates this morning still before though [08:43] you/ [08:43] yes pls [08:43] k, will do [08:43] or gnome-desktop rebuilds needed in that silo too [08:44] k, I will try to help with that as well [08:44] marcustomlinson, seb128: sorry I overlooked that when I reviewed the debdiff yesterday, thanks for catching it seb128 [08:44] oSoMoN, np! [08:44] GunnarHj: is there no proper bzr branch for that? [08:44] Laney: Nope. Martin killed it some years ago. Not sure why. [08:45] we had the LP bzr branches then [08:45] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/language-selector/ubuntu/view/head:/README [08:45] ubuntu: are the auto imported ones right? [08:45] they were, don't exist any more [08:46] GunnarHj: maybe one of the git-ubuntu branches would be an OK one to start from [08:46] at least you'd get the history as one commit per upload [08:47] Laney: Yeah, I can try start out from one of those. [08:47] seb128: oh so you don't need me to upload a new 1:6.3.0-0ubuntu2 for LO? [08:47] marcustomlinson, not now, let's wait for the poppler soname change, we need a rebuild anyway [08:48] ok [08:48] we can keep 6.3 in eoan-proposed meanwhile [08:48] GunnarHj: and the '+source' namespace is probably the right one to be using [08:49] lp:~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/languge-selector [08:52] Laney: Ok. Let's see if I can fix it. [08:52] neato [09:08] Laney: with the e-d-s API break you mentioned, does that affect the D-Bus IPC interface as well as the library ABI? [09:09] i.e. is this just a case of getting rid of the old client libraries, or will old apps refuse to talk to new EDS and vice versa? [09:15] jamesh: The Calendar D-Bus API has changed too: some methods and signals have been renamed [09:16] I don't know of anything in the archive that talks to that directly - things go via bindings [09:16] Laney: so, we've currently got calendar-service and contacts-service snapd interfaces [09:17] e-d-s does this kind of thing most cycles FWIW [09:17] marcustomlinson, hi, the B/R are wrong and please use (<< 6.3) [09:18] ricotz: yes you're right good catch [09:20] Laney: we definitely have a gnome-calendar snap, but I don't think we've ever seeded it [09:21] I'm not sure what they do for Flatpak [09:21] but e-d-s isn't a stable interface ... probably applications bundle it [09:21] I'm not sure how widely it is installed [09:22] It has been relatively stable for a while: xenial to bionic has been fine [09:22] we've also got a gnome-contacts snap [09:23] marcustomlinson, hmm :(, please literally use (<< 6.3.0) [09:24] okidokie [09:24] thx [09:24] with epoch ;) [09:25] yeah [09:26] The C ABIs have certainly changed in that timeframe - if the D-Bus API hasn't been affected, then we got lucky [09:26] that's why the bus names are suffixed with a number [09:26] AddressBook is at 9 currently ... [09:31] I suspect the interfaces would allow a snap built with new client libraries to talk to new EDS without change, since it looks like the versioning is only in bus names rather than interface names [09:31] but we will need to decide what to do with the gnome-calendar/gnome-contacts snaps [09:32] You can still see some of the CORBA roots in the EDS API design [09:36] Laney: Good enough? [09:36] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+git/language-selector [09:48] GunnarHj: Looks good from a quick glance [09:48] morning! [09:49] Laney: Good. I make a change later today and check if it works as expected. [10:46] Morning Trevinho [10:46] Night Trevinho :) [11:20] hey Trevinho [11:21] hi seb128 [11:33] Laney, Trevinho, would be nice if you could clear the 3 remaining july cards in trello :) [11:35] ok [11:35] thx [13:22] Laney, you probably know, when opening a bug on the BTS by sending to submit@ can you include some commands like the blocks one? [13:22] or can you CC control@? or do you need a follow up email? [13:30] k, it's meeting time right? [13:31] startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-13 [13:31] #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-13 [13:31] Meeting started Tue Aug 13 13:31:15 2019 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [13:31] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-13 | Current topic: [13:31] Roll call: didrocks (out), duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine (out), laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [13:31] \o [13:31] o/ [13:32] hi [13:33] k, let's get started, quite some people on holidays atm [13:33] #topic rls-bb-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-13 | Current topic: rls-bb-bugs [13:33] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1740894 [13:33] Ubuntu bug 1740894 in systemd (Ubuntu Bionic) "KEY_RFKILL is not passed to userspace" [Low,In progress] [13:34] That was a failed SRU because it requires systemd change and would make some configs stop working while fixing others [13:34] I will follow up with OEM [13:34] that's the only one on this list [13:35] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:35] there is a new split bug for the era thing/gucharmap and seems mathieu/gunnar on looking at it [13:35] I will just assign to mathieu [13:36] and that's it for bionic [13:36] #topic rls-dd-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-13 | Current topic: rls-dd-bugs [13:38] (sorry had some machine hang issue, thx libreoffice build pushing the ssd...) [13:38] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:38] no desktop here [13:38] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:38] same gucharmap era [13:38] #topic rls-ee-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-13 | Current topic: rls-ee-bugs [13:39] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:39] no desktop [13:39] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:39] the bugs there are assigned [13:39] #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-13 | Current topic: update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [13:40] Laney, your turn, sorry I/we failed to review the ones currently in the board last week [13:40] post-holidays & pre-ff busy time :/ [13:41] no worries [13:41] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [13:42] I didn't look at the greyed out stuff yet [13:42] but in the non greyed stuff most is pre existing from the previous weeks [13:42] or part of transitions which I think are being handled by others [13:42] aptdaemon/1.1.1+bzr982-0ubuntu28: arm64 (log, history), i386 (log, history), ppc64el (log, history) [13:43] that's the only weird one I think, not sure what is happening there sO i'll make a new card for that one [13:43] it seems something happened with systemd in proposed while I was away that broke a lot of stuff? [13:44] yeah, they uploaded 243~rc1 [13:45] which at least hits https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/13272 [13:45] which b_alint raised here/consider as a gdm packaging bug [13:45] but I didn't look at the details of other issues in the update, I guess foundations is on it... [13:45] saw a card for that [13:45] but this was not just test failures in systemd itself [13:45] tons of other tests were failing [13:46] we should check with foundations if they are aware of those problems/on it [13:46] Balint said something in #ubuntu-devel about uploading a new systemd later [13:46] so I guess it's being worked on [13:46] bottom line for me was that proposed was a bit weird [13:46] good, let's wait for then and I will check with him if that's still not good enough [13:46] hopefully will be recovering [13:47] ack [13:47] that's why we have it I guess [13:47] thx Laney [13:47] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-13 | Current topic: AOB [13:47] obvious one from me, but feature freeze is coming next week and we are on a tight schedule at this point [13:47] at least for the new GNOME uploads [13:48] also for nvidia UI changes (Olivier is starting on that) [13:48] and for some dock changes Marco is working on [13:48] if you have other features you still need to land/feel like we are getting late now is a good time to raise it/discuss our options [13:48] [13:48] that was from me I guess [13:49] Laney, anything that you feel like need more hands/discussion on the GNOME update front? [13:49] I think Marco/you/me are mostly on it and know what needs to be done, is that good enough? [13:50] I'm fine with how we're handling it [13:51] it's OK enough but there are still a fair few more packages to handle [13:52] right, we have a few people on holidays and I think everyone is busy, if anyone wants to take some time to help with that please just mention it on the channel any time and we can organize [13:52] oh also [13:52] jibel, you are back? can you look at the outdated daily ISO? [13:53] it seems to fail on [13:53] happy to help with GNOME updates, just let me know which ones [13:53] 2019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: Setting up python (2.7.15~rc1-1) ... [13:53] 2019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: Setting up utah-common (0.19~git20190712.c2af2d5~ubuntu16.04.1) ... [13:53] 2019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: Standard error follows: [13:53] 2019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of utah-common: [13:53] 2019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: utah-common depends on python (>= 2.7); however: [13:53] seb128, yes, I'm back. I promoted latest image to current. But still haven't found the reason of the breakage [13:53] 2019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: Package python is not installed. [13:53] jibel, ^ that's from the utah log joshua got [13:53] and it doesn't make any sense to me [13:53] it installs python and then says it's not available [13:53] I guess someone needs to log into the env and do those steps by hand and look what's going on [13:53] jibel, thx [13:54] yeah, that's a different failure from before my holidays which was a squashfs error [13:54] oSoMoN, great, thx, I will ping after the meeting then [13:54] ok [13:54] k [13:54] any other topics? [13:56] seems not? let's wrap then [13:56] thanks team [13:56] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle [13:56] Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 13:56:05 2019 UTC. [13:56] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-08-13-13.31.moin.txt [13:56] seb128: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting#control regarding your previous question [13:56] thx [13:56] you can do either of what you suggest [13:56] Laney, I had that on screen but it was not clear to me if I could include them in the original email sent to submit@ [13:57] yeah you can, if you prefix with Control: [13:57] ok, thanks for confirming [13:57] think you have to leave no blank line after the Package: lines and stuff [13:57] Laney, I uploaded syncevolution and abiword for the eds transition [13:57] nice one [13:58] bet the stupid ubuntu only stuff needs work [13:58] * Laney avoided those ones [14:00] on the ISO stuff [14:00] how do you get to those errors if you start from https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/view/Eoan/job/ubuntu-eoan-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/ ? [14:00] Laney, I'm looking at the indicator-datetime and evolution-indicator [14:01] Laney, good question for jibel, I don't know, the log I had were the ones from joshua and paride [14:03] Laney, the BTS email seems to have worked :) [14:03] nice! [14:03] ok he linked to https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-bionic-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/427/artifact/log/utah-server-debug.log [14:03] bionic?!?! [14:05] Laney, https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-eoan-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/99/artifact/log/utah-85730.syslog.log but there is no unmet dep in the log [14:05] and the late command is successful [14:06] jibel: thanks, I found those ones too [14:07] think the python thing might have been a false lead maybe [14:08] maybe the demotion of python2 to universe broke something [14:09] that was suggested in some discussions while you were on holidays, it's on the same day it was demoted that it started failing [14:09] but those tests are on bionic infra so it doesn't make much sense [14:10] also universe is enabled by default on desktop install so python should be available in the installed system even once demoted [14:10] weird :/ [14:10] it's a bionic *iso* [14:10] I don't think that log we got is evidence for that claim [14:12] yeah, we clearly need more debug info/be able to manually get into the env and see what is wrong there [14:17] I'm looking at eoan, why are you talking about bionic? [14:18] there hasn't been any built of bionic since the release of .3 [14:19] and the infra is on 16.04 [14:19] Josh sent an email with a log about python stuff in it, and it was thought this was the failure [14:20] but I just looked at it and he was talking about bionic for some reason, probably got confused [14:20] ok [14:20] build* [14:22] Laney, it's an error on shutdown. There is a squashfs error that prevents the VM from rebooting. [14:22] Laney, FTR I triggered a test from jenkins and watched the VM in virtmanager [14:22] ohh [14:22] you can just add venonat in virt-manager? [14:22] yes [14:22] hah [14:23] let me try this [14:23] with the vpn on [14:24] hmm, not as my user at least, permission denied [14:24] Laney, once you're connected open the console of utah-85765-... [14:24] ah let me check what's wrong with your permissions [14:25] yeah can't use virsh either [14:26] Laney, try again [14:26] hold on [14:26] Laney, try now [14:28] that works [14:28] how come you don't need to be in those groups? [14:29] O_O yeah OK I see those errors now [14:29] a whole new world opens in front of you ;) [14:30] don't like it, want to go home [14:42] nice login screen after restarting the machine ... [15:07] not really much further [15:37] * Laney shrugs [15:37] was trying to run an old kernel but I can't boot the stupid thing any more === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|afk [16:23] ok, well, I got the squashfs error locally now [16:28] how did you do that? [16:29] copying the preseed file that utah uses [16:29] probably somehow triggered by how that does the reboot [16:32] there were some squashfs changes/problems/something with recent kernels weren't there? [16:41] jibel: I just got it with a normal install too, ubiquity-dm [16:48] ok, you can get it by just rebooting an ISO [16:48] potentially have to wait for snapd to finish seeding [16:58] Laney, how do you reboot? just clicking "reboot" at the end of installation? [16:58] jibel: yeah [16:58] then it doesn't actually reboot, and if you hide plymouth, there those messages are [17:00] Laney, only from u-dm or also from a live session? [17:00] done both now [17:01] live only after waiting for snapd to finish, otherwise I guess that blocks the shutdown long enough to make the unmounting happen nicely or something [17:12] jibel: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qT27YHWTY6/ <- you can get console output if you give "console=tty0 console=ttyS0" and then connect with "virsh console " [17:12] it's really just boot live session, wait 2 minutes, reboot from the GNOME menu [17:12] feels like we should be asking the kernel team for help [17:13] Laney, thanks for your help, I'll file a bug and ask the kernel team [17:14] cheers [17:14] guess I should go prune a tree now, see you tomorrow === mtj_ is now known as mtj [17:14] have a nice evening, see you all tomorrow === mtj is now known as mtj_ === mtj_ is now known as mtj