[06:40] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:50] <jibel> Hi all
[06:51] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[07:01] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and jibel
[07:01] <duflu> Did time zones change recently?
[07:02] <duflu> Or am I just confused when Didier doesn't log in super early?
[07:06] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:07] <oSoMoN> no change in time zones as far as I'm concerned, it's probably Didier's absence that's confusing you indeed
[07:07] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:08] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:08] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[07:08] <oSoMoN> seb128, ça va, et toi?
[07:08] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:08] <seb128> ça va nickel :)
[07:08] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you today?
[07:08] <duflu> Ha. I should have noticed pulseaudio HEAD^ was tagged v12.99.2
[07:09] <duflu> seb128, going OK. How are you?
[07:09] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[07:09] <seb128> duflu, or use our version page :)
[07:09] <seb128> would be nice if it would be possible to filter a specific set of packages you are interested in though
[07:10] <duflu> I do. Like with bugs and merge requests, just don't subscribe. Poll instead :P
[07:10] <duflu> Though I subscribe to plenty of bugs already. Just not all
[07:15] <duflu> seb128, I just remembered we prefer to base our PulseAudio on Debian's pristine-tar. So to avoid branching that a pristine-tar of 12.99 would ideally be put in salsa first
[07:15] <duflu> .99 is often included there
[07:15] <seb128> duflu, right
[07:22] <seb128> marcustomlinson, hey, I'm reviewing the libreoffice update in NEW
[07:22] <seb128> -help-common has
[07:22] <seb128> Replaces: libreoffice-common (<< 1:6.1.0~alpha1-1)
[07:23] <seb128> shouldn't that be updated to the previous version in Ubuntu? e.g 1:6.2.5-0ubuntu1
[07:37] <seb128> RAOF, hey, there is a new colord 1.4.4 version available, do you think you could do the update when you get some spare cycles?
[07:39] <RAOF> seb128: Sure! Maybe I'll do that now instead of shouting at this RPi some more!
[07:40] <seb128> RAOF, sounds good :)
[07:57] <marcustomlinson> morning all
[08:01] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[08:01] <Laney> moin
[08:02] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:33] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson, Laney
[08:35] <seb128> hey oSoMoN marcustomlinson Laney, how are you today?
[08:36] <seb128> jamesh, weekly status update? ;)
[08:36] <jamesh> seb128: on it.
[08:36] <marcustomlinson> seb128: good :) which reminds me, libreoffice 6.3.0 was uploaded to eoan last night. Looks like the arm64 build is still busy though...
[08:36]  * seb128 needs to hack into jasmesh's phone to set up a weekly calendar reminder :)
[08:37] <marcustomlinson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.3.0-0ubuntu1/+build/17408406
[08:37] <seb128> marcustomlinson, right, my comment on NEW from earlier is from that update, that's where -help-common was added in Ubuntu right?
[08:37] <marcustomlinson> seb128: sorry I lost the scrollback
[08:37] <marcustomlinson> seb128: yes that was added
[08:38] <seb128> marcustomlinson, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/08/13/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t07:15
[08:38] <seb128> marcustomlinson, I think you need to update the C/R versions
[08:38] <seb128> otherwise those are not going to work for Ubuntu user upgrading from 6.2 to current
[08:38] <seb128> since it's << 6.1
[08:39] <marcustomlinson> seb128: ah
[08:39] <marcustomlinson> ok will fix that
[08:39] <seb128> thx
[08:39] <seb128> don't upload only for that, as said I need to do the poppler transition and we will need an upload for it
[08:40] <seb128> but first let me try in a ppa :)
[08:40] <GunnarHj> Good morning seb128!
[08:40] <GunnarHj> I would like to put language-selector in a repository. Thinking that it would fit here:
[08:40] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+git
[08:40] <GunnarHj> but thought I'd ask first.
[08:41] <seb128> hey GunnarHj, how are you?
[08:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'm fine, thanks. Hope you are too.
[08:41] <seb128> GunnarHj, sounds good to me to have it in the desktop section yes
[08:41] <seb128> I'm good yes, thanks
[08:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: Then I'll make an attempt to put it there - without history, that is.
[08:42] <Laney> hi duflu oSoMoN seb128 GunnarHj
[08:42] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:43] <Laney> doing alright
[08:43] <seb128> Laney, I can help this afternoon with the e-d-s transition if that's still needed
[08:43] <seb128> trying to clear off some other updates this morning still before though
[08:43] <Laney> you/
[08:43] <Laney> yes pls
[08:43] <seb128> k, will do
[08:43] <Laney> or gnome-desktop rebuilds needed in that silo too
[08:44] <seb128> k, I will try to help with that as well
[08:44] <oSoMoN> marcustomlinson, seb128: sorry I overlooked that when I reviewed the debdiff yesterday, thanks for catching it seb128
[08:44] <seb128> oSoMoN, np!
[08:44] <Laney> GunnarHj: is there no proper bzr branch for that?
[08:44] <GunnarHj> Laney: Nope. Martin killed it some years ago. Not sure why.
[08:45] <Laney> we had the LP bzr branches then
[08:45] <seb128> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/language-selector/ubuntu/view/head:/README
[08:45] <seb128> ubuntu: are the auto imported ones right?
[08:45] <Laney> they were, don't exist any more
[08:46] <Laney> GunnarHj: maybe one of the git-ubuntu branches would be an OK one to start from
[08:46] <Laney> at least you'd get the history as one commit per upload
[08:47] <GunnarHj> Laney: Yeah, I can try start out from one of those.
[08:47] <marcustomlinson> seb128: oh so you don't need me to upload a new 1:6.3.0-0ubuntu2 for LO?
[08:47] <seb128> marcustomlinson, not now, let's wait for the poppler soname change, we need a rebuild anyway
[08:48] <marcustomlinson> ok
[08:48] <seb128> we can keep 6.3 in eoan-proposed meanwhile
[08:48] <Laney> GunnarHj: and the '+source' namespace is probably the right one to be using
[08:49] <Laney> lp:~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/languge-selector
[08:52] <GunnarHj> Laney: Ok. Let's see if I can fix it.
[08:52] <Laney> neato
[09:08] <jamesh> Laney: with the e-d-s API break you mentioned, does that affect the D-Bus IPC interface as well as the library ABI?
[09:09] <jamesh> i.e. is this just a case of getting rid of the old client libraries, or will old apps refuse to talk to new EDS and vice versa?
[09:15] <Laney> jamesh: The Calendar D-Bus API has changed too: some methods and signals have been renamed
[09:16] <Laney> I don't know of anything in the archive that talks to that directly - things go via bindings
[09:16] <jamesh> Laney: so, we've currently got calendar-service and contacts-service snapd interfaces
[09:17] <Laney> e-d-s does this kind of thing most cycles FWIW
[09:17] <ricotz> marcustomlinson, hi, the B/R are wrong and please use (<< 6.3)
[09:18] <marcustomlinson> ricotz: yes you're right good catch
[09:20] <jamesh> Laney: we definitely have a gnome-calendar snap, but I don't think we've ever seeded it
[09:21] <Laney> I'm not sure what they do for Flatpak
[09:21] <Laney> but e-d-s isn't a stable interface ... probably applications bundle it
[09:21] <jamesh> I'm not sure how widely it is installed
[09:22] <jamesh> It has been relatively stable for a while: xenial to bionic has been fine
[09:22] <jamesh> we've also got a gnome-contacts snap
[09:23] <ricotz> marcustomlinson, hmm :(, please literally use (<< 6.3.0)
[09:24] <marcustomlinson> okidokie
[09:24] <ricotz> thx
[09:24] <ricotz> with epoch ;)
[09:25] <marcustomlinson> yeah
[09:26] <Laney> The C ABIs have certainly changed in that timeframe - if the D-Bus API hasn't been affected, then we got lucky
[09:26] <Laney> that's why the bus names are suffixed with a number
[09:26] <Laney> AddressBook is at 9 currently ...
[09:31] <jamesh> I suspect the interfaces would allow a snap built with new client libraries to talk to new EDS without change, since it looks like the versioning is only in bus names rather than interface names
[09:31] <jamesh> but we will need to decide what to do with the gnome-calendar/gnome-contacts snaps
[09:32] <jamesh> You can still see some of the CORBA roots in the EDS API design
[09:36] <GunnarHj> Laney: Good enough?
[09:36] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+git/language-selector
[09:48] <Laney> GunnarHj: Looks good from a quick glance
[09:48] <Trevinho> morning!
[09:49] <GunnarHj> Laney: Good. I make a change later today and check if it works as expected.
[10:46] <duflu> Morning Trevinho
[10:46] <duflu> Night Trevinho :)
[11:20] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[11:21] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[11:33] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho, would be nice if you could clear the 3 remaining july cards in trello :)
[11:35] <Laney> ok
[11:35] <seb128> thx
[13:22] <seb128> Laney, you probably know, when opening a bug on the BTS by sending to submit@ can you include some commands like the blocks one?
[13:22] <seb128> or can you CC control@? or do you need a follow up email?
[13:30] <seb128> k, it's meeting time right?
[13:31] <seb128> startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-13
[13:31] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-13
[13:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 13 13:31:15 2019 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:31] <seb128> Roll call: didrocks (out), duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine (out), laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:31] <marcustomlinson> \o
[13:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[13:32] <Laney> hi
[13:33] <seb128> k, let's get started, quite some people on holidays atm
[13:33] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[13:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:33] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1740894
[13:34] <seb128> That was a failed SRU because it requires systemd change and would make some configs stop working while fixing others
[13:34] <seb128> I will follow up with OEM
[13:34] <seb128> that's the only one on this list
[13:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:35] <seb128> there is a new split bug for the era thing/gucharmap and seems mathieu/gunnar on looking at it
[13:35] <seb128> I will just assign to mathieu
[13:36] <seb128> and that's it for bionic
[13:36] <seb128> #topic rls-dd-bugs
[13:38] <seb128> (sorry had some machine hang issue, thx libreoffice build pushing the ssd...)
[13:38] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:38] <seb128> no desktop here
[13:38] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:38] <seb128> same gucharmap era
[13:38] <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs
[13:39] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:39] <seb128> no desktop
[13:39] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:39] <seb128> the bugs there are assigned
[13:39] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:40] <seb128> Laney, your turn, sorry I/we failed to review the ones currently in the board last week
[13:40] <seb128> post-holidays & pre-ff busy time :/
[13:41] <Laney> no worries
[13:41] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:42] <Laney> I didn't look at the greyed out stuff yet
[13:42] <Laney> but in the non greyed stuff most is pre existing from the previous weeks
[13:42] <Laney> or part of transitions which I think are being handled by others
[13:42] <Laney> aptdaemon/1.1.1+bzr982-0ubuntu28: arm64 (log, history), i386 (log, history), ppc64el (log, history)
[13:43] <Laney> that's the only weird one I think, not sure what is happening there sO i'll make a new card for that one
[13:43] <Laney> it seems something happened with systemd in proposed while I was away that broke a lot of stuff?
[13:44] <seb128> yeah, they uploaded 243~rc1
[13:45] <seb128> which at least hits https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/13272
[13:45] <seb128> which b_alint raised here/consider as a gdm packaging bug
[13:45] <seb128> but I didn't look at the details of other issues in the update, I guess foundations is on it...
[13:45] <Laney> saw a card for that
[13:45] <Laney> but this was not just test failures in systemd itself
[13:45] <Laney> tons of other tests were failing
[13:46] <seb128> we should check with foundations if they are aware of those problems/on it
[13:46] <Laney> Balint said something in #ubuntu-devel about uploading a new systemd later
[13:46] <Laney> so I guess it's being worked on
[13:46] <Laney> bottom line for me was that proposed was a bit weird
[13:46] <seb128> good, let's wait for then and I will check with him if that's still not good enough
[13:46] <Laney> hopefully will be recovering
[13:47] <seb128> ack
[13:47] <Laney> that's why we have it I guess
[13:47] <seb128> thx Laney
[13:47] <seb128> #topic AOB
[13:47] <seb128> obvious one from me, but feature freeze is coming next week and we are on a tight schedule at this point
[13:47] <seb128> at least for the new GNOME uploads
[13:48] <seb128> also for nvidia UI changes (Olivier is starting on that)
[13:48] <seb128> and for some dock changes Marco is working on
[13:48] <seb128> if you have other features you still need to land/feel like we are getting late now is a good time to raise it/discuss our options
[13:48] <seb128>  
[13:48] <seb128> that was from me I guess
[13:49] <seb128> Laney, anything that you feel like need more hands/discussion on the GNOME update front?
[13:49] <seb128> I think Marco/you/me are mostly on it and know what needs to be done, is that good enough?
[13:50] <Trevinho> I'm fine with how we're handling it
[13:51] <Laney> it's OK enough but there are still a fair few more packages to handle
[13:52] <seb128> right, we have a few people on holidays and I think everyone is busy, if anyone wants to take some time to help with that please just mention it on the channel any time and we can organize
[13:52] <seb128> oh also
[13:52] <seb128> jibel, you are back? can you look at the outdated daily ISO?
[13:53] <seb128> it seems to fail on
[13:53] <oSoMoN> happy to help with GNOME updates, just let me know which ones
[13:53] <seb128> 2019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: Setting up python (2.7.15~rc1-1) ...
[13:53] <seb128> 2019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: Setting up utah-common (0.19~git20190712.c2af2d5~ubuntu16.04.1) ...
[13:53] <seb128> 2019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: Standard error follows:
[13:53] <seb128> 2019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of utah-common:
[13:53] <seb128> 2019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: utah-common depends on python (>= 2.7); however:
[13:53] <jibel> seb128, yes, I'm back. I promoted latest image to current. But still haven't found the reason of the breakage
[13:53] <seb128> 2019-08-05 20:25:16,456 ssh DEBUG: Package python is not installed.
[13:53] <seb128> jibel, ^ that's from the utah log joshua got
[13:53] <seb128> and it doesn't make any sense to me
[13:53] <seb128> it installs python and then says it's not available
[13:53] <seb128> I guess someone needs to log into the env and do those steps by hand and look what's going on
[13:53] <seb128> jibel, thx
[13:54] <jibel> yeah, that's a different failure from before my holidays which was a squashfs error
[13:54] <seb128> oSoMoN, great, thx, I will ping after the meeting then
[13:54] <oSoMoN> ok
[13:54] <seb128> k
[13:54] <seb128> any other topics?
[13:56] <seb128> seems not? let's wrap then
[13:56] <seb128> thanks team
[13:56] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 13:56:05 2019 UTC.
[13:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-08-13-13.31.moin.txt
[13:56] <Laney> seb128: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting#control regarding your previous question
[13:56] <marcustomlinson> thx
[13:56] <Laney> you can do either of what you suggest
[13:56] <seb128> Laney, I had that on screen but it was not clear to me if I could include them in the original email sent to submit@
[13:57] <Laney> yeah you can, if you prefix with Control:
[13:57] <seb128> ok, thanks for confirming
[13:57] <Laney> think you have to leave no blank line after the Package: lines and stuff
[13:57] <seb128> Laney, I uploaded syncevolution and abiword for the eds transition
[13:57] <Laney> nice one
[13:58] <Laney> bet the stupid ubuntu only stuff needs work
[13:58]  * Laney avoided those ones
[14:00] <Laney> on the ISO stuff
[14:00] <Laney> how do you get to those errors if you start from https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/view/Eoan/job/ubuntu-eoan-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/ ?
[14:00] <seb128> Laney, I'm looking at the indicator-datetime and evolution-indicator
[14:01] <seb128> Laney, good question for jibel, I don't know, the log I had were the ones from joshua and paride
[14:03] <seb128> Laney, the BTS email seems to have worked :)
[14:03] <Laney> nice!
[14:03] <Laney> ok he linked to https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-bionic-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/427/artifact/log/utah-server-debug.log
[14:03] <Laney> bionic?!?!
[14:05] <jibel> Laney, https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-eoan-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/99/artifact/log/utah-85730.syslog.log but there is no unmet dep in the log
[14:05] <jibel> and the late command is successful
[14:06] <Laney> jibel: thanks, I found those ones too
[14:07] <Laney> think the python thing might have been a false lead maybe
[14:08] <jibel> maybe the demotion of python2 to universe broke something
[14:09] <seb128> that was suggested in some discussions while you were on holidays, it's on the same day it was demoted that it started failing
[14:09] <seb128> but those tests are on bionic infra so it doesn't make much sense
[14:10] <seb128> also universe is enabled by default on desktop install so python should be available in the installed system even once demoted
[14:10] <seb128> weird :/
[14:10] <Laney> it's a bionic *iso*
[14:10] <Laney> I don't think that log we got is evidence for that claim
[14:12] <seb128> yeah, we clearly need more debug info/be able to manually get into the env and see what is wrong there
[14:17] <jibel> I'm looking at eoan, why are you talking about bionic?
[14:18] <jibel> there hasn't been any built of bionic since the release of .3
[14:19] <jibel> and the infra is on 16.04
[14:19] <Laney> Josh sent an email with a log about python stuff in it, and it was thought this was the failure
[14:20] <Laney> but I just looked at it and he was talking about bionic for some reason, probably got confused
[14:20] <jibel> ok
[14:20] <jibel> build*
[14:22] <jibel> Laney, it's an error on shutdown. There is a squashfs error that prevents the VM from rebooting.
[14:22] <jibel> Laney, FTR I triggered a test from jenkins and watched the VM in virtmanager
[14:22] <Laney> ohh
[14:22] <Laney> you can just add venonat in virt-manager?
[14:22] <jibel> yes
[14:22] <Laney> hah
[14:23] <Laney> let me try this
[14:23] <jibel> with the vpn on
[14:24] <Laney> hmm, not as my user at least, permission denied
[14:24] <jibel> Laney, once you're connected open the console of utah-85765-...
[14:24] <jibel> ah let me check what's wrong with your permissions
[14:25] <Laney> yeah can't use virsh either
[14:26] <jibel> Laney, try again
[14:26] <jibel> hold on
[14:26] <jibel> Laney, try now
[14:28] <Laney> that works
[14:28] <Laney> how come you don't need to be in those groups?
[14:29] <Laney> O_O yeah OK I see those errors now
[14:29] <jibel> a whole new world opens in front of you ;)
[14:30] <Laney> don't like it, want to go home
[14:42] <Laney> nice login screen after restarting the machine ...
[15:07] <Laney> not really much further
[15:37]  * Laney shrugs
[15:37] <Laney> was trying to run an old kernel but I can't boot the stupid thing any more
[16:23] <Laney> ok, well, I got the squashfs error locally now
[16:28] <jibel> how did you do that?
[16:29] <Laney> copying the preseed file that utah uses
[16:29] <Laney> probably somehow triggered by how that does the reboot
[16:32] <Laney> there were some squashfs changes/problems/something with recent kernels weren't there?
[16:41] <Laney> jibel: I just got it with a normal install too, ubiquity-dm
[16:48] <Laney> ok, you can get it by just rebooting an ISO
[16:48] <Laney> potentially have to wait for snapd to finish seeding
[16:58] <jibel> Laney, how do you reboot? just clicking "reboot" at the end of installation?
[16:58] <Laney> jibel: yeah
[16:58] <Laney> then it doesn't actually reboot, and if you hide plymouth, there those messages are
[17:00] <jibel> Laney, only from u-dm or also from a live session?
[17:00] <Laney> done both now
[17:01] <Laney> live only after waiting for snapd to finish, otherwise I guess that blocks the shutdown long enough to make the unmounting happen nicely or something
[17:12] <Laney> jibel: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qT27YHWTY6/ <- you can get console output if you give "console=tty0 console=ttyS0" and then connect with "virsh console <name of domain>"
[17:12] <Laney> it's really just boot live session, wait 2 minutes, reboot from the GNOME menu
[17:12] <Laney> feels like we should be asking the kernel team for help
[17:13] <jibel> Laney, thanks for your help, I'll file a bug and ask the kernel team
[17:14] <Laney> cheers
[17:14] <Laney> guess I should go prune a tree now, see you tomorrow
[17:14] <jibel> have a nice evening, see you all tomorrow