[00:00] Guest17: so add the key=value as it says, redo "chroot /target grub-install /dev/sda" or whatever device you're installing to and it should be solved [00:01] Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=1' in file `/etc/default/grub' [00:01] that's what you are talking about? [00:01] Guest17: but note, I think you're missing something there, because the Ubuntu installer does not encrypt /boot/ it has an unencrypted file-system for /boot/ and that should be listed in /etc/fstab [00:02] Guest17: check the fstab, as in "grep boot /target/etc/fstab" [00:02] I mounted my nvme EFI partition in /mnt/boot/EFI is that wrong? [00:03] Guest17: if your chroot /target is actually /mnt then that is almost correct, but no completely. It should be /target/boot/efi (note lower case) [00:03] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ngBcmCjbMm/ This is my fstab [00:03] sorry I am kind of confused [00:03] Guest17: if you've done "chroot /target mount -a" then every file-system in /etc/fstab that is set to 'auto' mount (the default) should be mounted correctly [00:04] Guest17: see, there it is: UUID=7243a3f3-9bed-40d6-af2f-cf02978078a9 /boot [00:04] Guest17: if you do "lsblk" you'll see that is in a partition outside the LUKS container [00:04] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2cnqQk9Kyr/ [00:05] Guest17: That last looks incomplete, it doesn't show the /boot/ mount [00:05] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TqXKP5VvvH/ [00:05] Guest17: how about we start from scratch and I give you the exact commands to execute so you can copy-paste ? [00:06] I don't see a UUID string in there. :( [00:06] sure I appreciate your help [00:06] Guest17: no, use "lsblk -f" to see UUIDs too [00:06] Still no UUID [00:07] Guest17: try "sudo lsblk -f" [00:07] ok [00:09] Error: Common start logic: Failed to initialize storage volume "test" of type "custom" on storage pool "default": Idmaps of container &{[{true false 458752 0 65536} {false true 458752 0 65536}]} and storage volume &{[{true false 589824 0 65536} {false true 589824 0 65536}]} are not identical [00:09] Do I need newer lxd? [00:09] how do I mount "7243a3f3-9bed-40d6-af2f-cf02978078a9 " to /mnt/boot/efi ? Is this waht I need to do? [00:10] Or is not shiftfs implemented for custom volumes yet? [00:10] Guest17: no it isn't [00:10] Guest17: are you working inside the chroot right now? [00:11] I was, I exited, and the lsblk -f ran and I got uuids [00:11] I am no longer in chroot [00:11] Guest17: right, and the chroot is /mnt/ ? [00:11] the LUKS volume for cryptosetup is mounted in /mnt. I unmounted /mnt/boot/efi [00:12] *LUKS for root [00:12] Guest17: right, so do "sudo chroot /mnt mount -a" [00:12] Guest17: that should set things up correctly [00:13] ok, should I run grub-something now? [00:13] Guest17: if you do 'lsblk -f' now you should see that nvme0n1p2 at /mnt/boot and nvme0n1p3 at /mnt/boot/efi [00:13] there are two commands, update-grub and grub install. I am confused which one to run [00:14] Guest17: if you see those you can go ahead and do "sudo chroot /mnt grub-install -v |& tee /tmp/grub-install.log" [00:14] Guest17: then do "cat /tmp/grub-install.log | nc termbin.com 9999" so I can check the log file [00:16] Guest17: I think I missed the devicename from that command! It should be [00:16] Guest17: if you see those you can go ahead and do "sudo chroot /mnt grub-install -v /dev/nvme0n1 |& tee /tmp/grub-install.log" [00:16] thanks I think the -v /dev/nvme0n1 is the magic smoke [00:17] the -v is just --verbose :) [00:17] https://termbin.com/b3ur [00:17] so we know what it is doing [00:17] whoopts, yeah. thanks [00:17] so the only problem I see now is that it appears to have picked up my USB flash drive that I am currently using [00:18] Guest17: looking good "Installation finished. No error reported." ... now finish off with "sudo chroot /mnt update-grub" [00:18] are you familiar with this file output in a way you can quickly establish if there is anything wrong? thanks for your help [00:18] Guest17: I can read those logs in my sleep :) [00:19] Guest17: after that I think you're OK to reboot [00:19] Guest17: Peace of mind - TJ- has written more than one book on this subject :P [00:21] OK I will try. I am greatful for your help. anyway I just wanted to say... there's kind of a minor annoyance with ifconfig missing. I have to use the GUI to set the address, which has a bad user experience (tabs don't work well, it wants an IP address for a route? in separate box. anyone with network engineer experience would know this is wrong). [00:21] then I have to 'ip route delete default' and add my route... with the arcane "via dev ..." syntax (this isn't a cisco router!) and then I have to nuke resolv.conf symbolic link, then create it, and chattr +i fails for some reason -- so every 5 minutes I have to edit the file again. ... can we just put back ifconfig.. and get rid of whatever /etc/re [00:21] solv.conf mess. [00:21] Guest17: you can bring ifconfig back if you apt install net-tools [00:22] not if I don't have an internet connection [00:22] yeah that's true lol [00:22] that's why I felt compelled to bring it up:) [00:22] true true [00:22] "Windows has detected a problem with your network. Would you like to connect to the internet to find out why?" flashbackss [00:22] Guest17: no, you don't need to do all that in the network manager's connection-editor, you can correctly over-ride and set routes [00:23] Can i legit have a link to the books you've written tj-? [00:23] or was that in jest? [00:23] I know, but it should be in a way that -- because I'll forget -- and the knowledge won't transfer to other distros/Unix OS, I have to remember a bunch of one-off steps. I am alreadying remembering one-off steps from o(n^2) platforms [00:24] goobs: I think Bashing-om is referring to, amongst others, to https://iam.tj/prototype/guides/boot/ and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019 [00:25] christ. [00:26] Guest17: NetworkManager is pretty standard across distros aside from reduced-footprint flavours like Lubuntu, Rasbian and so on [00:27] TJ-, any other thoughts? Given the response, I do believe it sees the file and is loading it: 1.) brcmfmac: brcmf_fw_map_chip_to_name: using brcm/brcmfmac4366c-pcie.bin for chip 0x004366(17254) rev 0x000004 2.) blob line, 3.) brcmfmac: brcmf_c_process_clm_blob: no clm_blob available(err=-2), device may have limited channels available, 4.) brcmfmac: brcmf_c_preinit_dcmds: Firmware version = [00:27] wl0: Jan 15 2019 14:28:26 version 10.10.122.303 (r666429) FWID 01-9f64541d [00:27] That matches the file info of the file I put there. [00:27] FaTaL_G: oh, so there was more... it's looking for something 'extra' for channels? [00:27] TJ-, indeed... I'm pretty sure I said that [00:28] FaTaL_G: have you used the 'iw' tool to check what capabilites that device is reporting as having? something like "iw list" to begin with [00:28] TJ-, you might have missed it, but thats what I meant when I said "yea something about channels" [00:28] yes sir [00:28] FaTaL_G: Yes I must have missed it... end of a very long day here (01:28 right now) [00:29] it gives me the same results it gave me last year, and it does support AP. Thats why I was "assuming" it should work on 18 given it worked on 16 [00:29] FaTaL_G: how are you configuring the AP mode, with hostapd? [00:30] TJ-, yes [00:30] when I upgraded, hostapd didnt change, meaning, my config wasnt auto modified [00:30] FaTaL_G: and hostapd fails to configure it? are there additional kernel errors at that point? [00:32] FaTaL_G: have you enabled the debug output from brcmfmac? [00:34] TJ-, strange [00:34] TJ-, I just tried loading it again and it started successfully [00:35] maybe because I manually re-loaded the modules... hrmmmmmmm [00:35] even with those errors [00:37] FaTaL_G: is it possible you're trying to start the hostapd service *before* the module is loaded? how are you triggering the module load? is it automatic via udev or have you added something to the config? [00:37] Ummmmm, thank you and NegativeFlare for your help because I did learn some interesting tips for reviewing errors and handling kernel loads. So so so so much more to learn. I will experiment some more, but very interesting it worked [00:38] FaTaL_G: if the module isn't loaded automatically by udev it should be listed in /etc/modules [00:39] TJ-, I did manually try loading it the other day, it was not loading, so maybe I changed something else. As far as loading on boot, I n33d to go investigate that now because I still get errors trying to ifup/ifdwn br0, which hostapd adds w1s2p0 to [00:40] TJ-, etc/modules is empty [00:41] FaTaL_G: well, if the module doesn't get loaded by udev that is where to list it, but generally udev should load it. The kernel reports the PCI device vendor:device ID to udev which then uses modprobe to load it [00:41] I notice that there some new motherboards are advertised as have GPIO connectors, can these be accessed without special drivers? [00:41] FaTaL_G: that's why modules have a list of aliases - that's the IDs the kernel can match to [00:42] neildugan: that would depend if there is a driver for the GPIO chip in the kernel [00:47] TJ-, ok [00:57] hi [00:57] Rojola: not broken apache again? :) [00:58] TJ-, yes, the htaccess password authentication won't work [00:58] TJ-, I just came here to see if there is anything Ubuntu specific I should know [01:00] Rojola: that may need enabling using AllowOverride, see https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/howto/htaccess.html [01:00] done [01:00] TJ-, AllowOverride All is set in my vhost [01:00] a2enmod auth_basic <== apache module enabled [01:00] the password protection gets ignored without errors [01:03] Rojola: have you put it in a context ? [01:03] TJ-, yes, I firmly believe so. TJ- it's the same vhost you already know from before [01:04] TJ-, https://dpaste.de/78XV/raw [01:04] the last vhost [01:08] Rojola: Rojola but you've got "Require all granted" there [01:08] wouldn't the password protection override this rule? [01:09] Rojola: without seeing the .htaccess and which directory it is in it's hard to be sure [01:10] TJ-, https://dpaste.de/082j/raw [01:13] Rojola: looks correct, you'll need to enable debug logging in apache and track if it is reading the htaccess at all, or just ignoring the auth parts I think. [01:14] Rojola: can you get the .htaccess to set some other options that the client can show? [01:14] I can do whatever needs to be done, I have root access @TJ- [01:14] what should I add to the .htaccess file? [01:14] Rojola: maybe test with Options +Indexes [01:15] IndexOptions +FancyIndexing [01:15] Options +Indexes goes into the vhost, right? [01:15] that would display the list of files if there is no default document (typically index.html) [01:15] Rojola: no, but those in the .htaccess, 2 lines [01:15] sure! One moment please! [01:15] that should over-ride your Options -Indexes [01:16] Rojola: so if you do now get an index list of files you know the htaccess worked [01:17] TJ-, I managed to lock myself out of the server [01:17] TJ-, I need a moment to gain access [01:18] :) [01:22] TJ-, I gained access and added the 2 lines you said to .htaccess [01:22] I do _not_ get a directory listing [01:22] I still get "Forbidden" [01:23] TJ-, adding an "index.html" file shows the contents [01:23] after removing "index.html" I get "Forbidden" again rather than a file listing [01:24] Rojola: so you're missing something [01:25] what? [01:27] Rojola: have you seen https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/howto/htaccess.html#troubleshoot [01:28] TJ-, no, I have not read this one yet. Doing so now [01:28] TJ-, I was focusing on stackoverflow - sorry for that. [01:28] Reading now. [01:29] Rojola: note there could be something in the include file: Include /etc/letsencrypt/options-ssl-apache.conf [01:31] TJ-, so, I tried adding gibberish to .htaccess - no errors [01:31] TJ-, /etc/letsencrypt/options-ssl-apache.conf has nothing with AllowOverride None in it [01:32] checking the access and error logs [01:33] TJ-, I get one error, but it has nothing to do with the .htaccess file [01:33] TJ-, the error only says that I disallowed directory listing, therefore I get none [01:33] >> Cannot serve directory /var/www/vhosts/example.com/htdocs/support/: No matching DirectoryIndex (index.html,index.php) found, and server-generated directory index forbidden by Options directive [01:37] Rojola: so .htaccess is being ignored... silly question but you *have* spelled the filename correctly? I was caught out years ago by only having one 'c' in 'access' :D [01:38] TJ-, https://dpaste.de/LzKE/raw [01:39] TJ-, welllll.... [01:39] TJ-, what would you say, if I told you, that I put everything into .htpasswd ? ;)) [01:40] I don't know if I should laugh or cry [01:40] it's so sad and funny at the same time! :| [01:41] How do I search for providers of pure virtual packages? [01:41] e.g. I want to list all packages that provide pdf-viewer [01:41] TJ-, guess what... it works, after naming it .htaccess rather than .htpasswd [01:41] sorry TJ- for all the trouble [01:41] thank you! [01:42] Rojola: oh noes!! hehehehe [01:42] I am really sorry [01:42] I should take more breaks during these computer sessions [01:42] Rojola: you're suffering tunnel vision, I get like that sometimes. Time for a break! [01:42] yes, definitely, I will take a walk around the block now [01:43] thank you TJ- [01:43] sorry again! === Evie^2 is now known as EvieEightySix [02:03] Am I remembering wrong that there's some way to invoke the Ubuntu installer to install to a given partition? [02:04] Bluecoat: are you perhaps remembering debootstrap, to install to a specific directory? [02:05] sarnold: that's literally what I just pulled up. :-) But I also thought there was a way to use the nice GUI. [02:06] Bluecoat: there might be :) it might even just do the right thing.. [02:06] Hoof. The debootstrap is way more steps than I want to spend. It's up against "tossing an ISO on a stick and reinstalling." [02:07] heh, I did debootstrap as part of a zfs-on-root-with-luks-encryption and YES it was a huge amount of work post-install to try to make it into a usable system. [02:07] (still not done) [02:07] When the user experience I want is "run from this session so I can keep watching Preacher in a VLC window and then reboot in-between episodes." [02:07] iso on a stick is going to be WAY faster [02:07] haha [02:07] I love it :D [02:08] well.. just how crazy do you want to get? *maybe* you could set up disk passthrough in libvirt, install in a VM, and .. reboot into what used to be a VM. YMMV I've never tried I'm not a lawyer I'm not a doctor etc etc [02:09] This season is really driving home that it's a Seth Rogen show. :p [02:09] Also that's literally what I'm setting up now. [02:09] sweet I'd be curious to hear how that turns out :D [02:09] or at least trying to... [02:10] Oh, it works pretty well. That's how I normally set up "new installs" if I can't clone them. Plug in external disk (or mount image), map it into the VM, run installer. [02:11] The trick here is that what I want it to do is be able to see my LVM disks (and the underlying storage) and then install itself into a new LVM partition. [02:11] eep, you're on your own there :D [02:12] (well; maybe someone else here has done that. not me. :L) [02:15] bah. Looks like it's USB stick time. [02:20] Is it possible to simulate a reboot from the command line without actually rebooting? I am working with mount and somd fs options and want to simulate the effects of a reboot on a temp type filesystem without it effecting the applications I have open. [02:21] Or some way to acomplish this? [02:21] your best bet is to just issue mount and umount commands that use only the mountpoint [02:23] what are the effects of the reboot that'll affect the filesystem? Just unmounting? [02:24] sarnold: thx Bluecoat: thought that any kind of shutdown or reboot make everything in a temp filesystem go bye bye (not persist) [02:26] plongshot: yeah, but it's not doing anything fancier than calling unmount on all the mounted filesystems. Unless the filesystem driver is coloring outside the lines, I'd expect mount/unmount would be all you'd need. [02:29] ovrelayfs does not behave in the way I thought that it would. From reading about it I had come to believe that things in the lowerdir will not persist whilst things in the upperdir do persist. I also thought that things in the merged directory (the mount point) would persist through a reboot (or umounting the overlay). None of those were true when I tested just now. Actually, after the reboot, the changes persisted in both the [02:29] upperdir and lowerdir but did not persist in the merged dir. This is assuming I'm mapping dir names to the command that was entered to create the mount. Uhh.. how did I screw up so bad in what I thought I had learned? [02:29] Bluecoat: I see thx [02:30] I have to go eat or my fam is gonna kill me but I wish I'd see a comment on that latter post when I came back (just a wish and a dream) :p [02:30] thx [02:36] So, I'm trying to grab source packages from eoan for a package (notmuch). I've added `deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eoan main restricted universe multiverse` to sources.list (and apt update-d of course), but `sudo apt-get -b source -t eoan notmuch` still fails with `E: The value 'eoan' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources` [02:37] Am I missing something? [02:38] apetresc: if you've got the sources set correctly and a recent apt update then you should be able to get the sources with apt-get source notmuch/eoan [02:42] sarnold: Oh indeed, `sudo apt-get -b source notmuch/eoan` did the trick [02:42] So I guess the `-t` parameter is not current with the latest apt/apt-get? [02:42] maybe.. I learned package/release first, so that's what I tested :) heh [02:43] I guess I should update the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Recommended_alternative_to_pinning to use the new syntax, then [02:45] firefox-3.0... wow [02:45] Haha true I hadn't considered that part [02:45] That should've tipped me off as to the age of that article [02:46] hmm, I wonder, does apt do the same thing? [02:46] yeah it does. bummer. [03:12] Why is there an upperdir and lowerdir in overlayfs? Why not just one or the other; or, better yet, just a sigle, generic, mount object? What is the purpose of having both? === the_ant1 is now known as the_ant === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy [04:39] Hi. is there any tool to randomly select next wallpaper from folder, on each e.g. each 7th day or each 30th day etc [05:06] how to limit upload and download bandwidth usage of the firefox/other apps? [05:08] does anybody here know if there is a hidden option in ubuntu to prevent a file name of a pdf file from overflowing? === martian67| is now known as martian67 === EvieEightySix is now known as Evie^2 [05:49] Hey guys, do anyone of you use AppImagelauncher? [05:49] https://github.com/TheAssassin/AppImageLauncher [05:51] I'm trying to add a virtual eth0 interface to Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, but I keep getting "Failed to start Raise network interfaces" error. I see a lot of documentation online for adding a virtual interface this way, but it just doesn't seem to be working. How can I make this work? Thanks. === vicamo_ is now known as vicamo === elibrokeit is now known as anyone === anyone is now known as Guest63806 [06:03] Reading articles about landscape i read that landscape supports ldap, but i have never seen those option in multiple installations. How do i configure ldap binding in landscape? === Guest63806 is now known as guys === the_ant1 is now known as the_ant [06:14] hello, how do i mount dvd-ram disc? [06:21] WinDozes: click it in file manager [06:23] problem is it doesnt appear in file manager; if i insert other dvd type it shows and mounts automatically, but dvd-ram doesnt appear at all [06:24] WinDozes: try "lsblk" does it show next to sr0? [06:26] sr0 show "rom" [06:28] just had an idea - maybe its a problem because it is blank disc? [07:19] Is it not possible to add an eth0 virtual interface in Ubuntu these days? === bad_cat is now known as ayekat === the_ant1 is now known as the_ant [07:42] I have this in my FSTab which is mounting fine though: //192.168.55.12/projects /media/projects cifs guest,rw,iocharset=utf8 0 0 [07:42] But somehow i cant write to the share [07:48] Dirkos: you can't write as a regular user, or you can't write at all? [07:48] cant write at all, can only read [07:49] i set the force user etc but it is mount as root all the way so that makes sense though [08:18] http://projectftm.com/#-cbO5MJsi-L2Z6RWM94L1g ubuntu has some issues [08:19] genewitch: this is not the complaints channel [08:23] genewitch: if you think there's a problem with ubuntu & kismet, try to ask a question first? === the_ant1 is now known as the_ant [09:20] hi [09:21] i was able to enable hibernate on kubuntu... but the handleLidSwitch doesn't seem to be causing hibernate [09:21] i edited the logind.conf file, to uncommen #handlelidswitch=hibernate [09:22] also uncommented #HandleLidSwitchDocked=hibernate [09:24] Jfox762: logind.conf doesn't take effect until logind is restarted [09:25] how do i restart it [09:25] Jfox762: (note that if you restart logind, it will most likely also kill your graphical session, so I'd be careful there) [09:25] i dont have any critical stuff on my pc right now [09:25] no important work unsaved in other words [09:25] Jfox762: well then you can restart the systemd-logind.service [09:27] systemctl restart systemd-logind.service? [09:28] Jfox762: yes, that would be it - but again, expect stuff to awkwardly exit - I don't take any responsibility for stuff breaking [09:29] hmmm [09:29] still seems to keep sleeping, ratehr than hibernating [09:30] hibernate does indeed work if i type it into the console [09:30] it resumes perfectly [09:30] but when I close the laptop... it merely seems to suspend [09:31] hmm... weird [09:32] https://pastebin.com/B5syQ53T [09:32] that is a cat of the logind.conf [09:33] let me know if I missed something [09:33] oh btw, I'm on kubuntu [09:33] im not sure if it matters [09:33] Jfox762: yeah, that looks fine to me - maybe a mere logind restart isn't enough [09:34] would a restart work? [09:34] (it's been a while since I restarted logind while I was in a graphical session) [09:34] actual real restart? [09:34] Jfox762: like a system reboot? yeah, might work [09:36] Im wondering... [09:36] does it suspend first, and then wait a few minutes before deciding to hibernate? [09:37] it suspended again instead of hibernate :( [09:38] Jfox762: nah, it should usually hibernate right away [09:39] odd [09:39] maybe KDE interferes with/intercepts the lid close event and does something else [09:39] do i need to install the "hibernate status button" for this to work? [09:40] see when i look into power management, there is no option for "Handle lid switch" to hibernate [09:40] only suspend, logoff, turn off screen [09:44] where is the print preview button in adobe acrobat reader 9 for ubuntu? [10:00] is that even packaged for ubuntu...? [10:17] CoolerZ: acrobat reader isn't maintained for linux anymore (and since >5 years), you really shouldn't use it. [10:17] whatever document reader in your desktop environment is probably a way better option. === the_ant1 is now known as the_ant [10:44] 18.04 GRUB bug, for which I'm trying to come up with a workaround. For a UEFI install grub-amd64-efi-signed package is used which co-exits with grub-pc or grub-efi-amd64, but this breaks encrypted installations since the Canonical -signed grubx64.efi doesn't contain the LUKS, gcry-* or cryptdisk modules. However, wanting to switch to plain grub-efi-amd64 causes apt to want to remove grub-pc. If [10:44] grub-efi-amd64-signed can co-exist why the heck does the unsigned package not do the same? And, short of altering the /var/lib/dpkg/status file to remove the Conflicts/Replaces grub-pc any other way to prevent this? [10:48] TJ-: i was puzzled by this, too, but there is grub-pc-bin [10:48] i assume that's sufficient for bios booting? [10:48] tomreyn: right ... it's weird the dependencies break the symmatry that way though [10:49] yes, not sure why. [10:49] tomreyn: I'm instaling xbuntu to a USB3 'stick' which'll need to be able to boot in either mode ... just annoyed me to have to work around that. I'll lose grub-pc and grub-efi-amd64-signed [10:50] Hey there. I have trouble accessing a freshly setup samba server with authentication (guest access works) I tried my best but couldnt get it to work. then I step-by-step followed this tutorial https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/samba-server-ubuntu-16-04/ and still cannot access the shares from windows with the error msg "\\server\share cannot be accessed. You may not have sufficient rights [10:50] ..." [10:50] TJ-: hmm right i see how it is bad when you need to support both boot modes. [10:51] Hi folks [10:58] tomreyn: and now another bug/annoyance. grub-efi-amd64 doesn't Conflict/Replace grub-efi-amd64-signed so even with the non-signed package installed grub-install uses the -signed bootloader. Grrrr *steam coming out of ears* ! [10:58] grub-install: info: copying `/usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi-signed/grubx64.efi.signed' -> `/boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi'. [11:04] TJ-: i just suspect this stuff is so complex that those who worked on it found no better way to do it. but it might be a good idea to try reorganizing this from a clean slate. [11:07] tomreyn: this one is an obvious breakage.. if grub-efi-amd64 is installed *after* grub-efi-amd64-signed it should take precedence and build/install the local core image [11:07] Trying to see if grub-install can be 'configured' to ignore the -signed bits [11:18] good luck there. :-/ [11:18] tomreyn: aha, Ubuntu carries a patch to grub-install, and adds "--no-uefi-secure-boot" as well as "--uefi-secure-boot" [11:18] and it works "grub-install: info: copying `/boot/grub/x86_64-efi/core.efi' -> `/boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi'." [11:19] What was confusing was the grub-install -v log showed it calling grub-mkimage and building the EFI core image and then not installing it, but copying in the Canonical signed core image ! [11:21] if you could document all of this it could spare another person going insane. [11:23] tomreyn: well, I have to add this to my Wiki FDE...2019 to complete that for EFI installs [11:23] Hi all, I understand that the Ubuntu minimal image has an apt rule preventing the installation of docs. Where can I find this rule in the system so that I may disable it? [11:24] setpill: 'docs' ? [11:24] setpill: do you mean the mandb man-pages or literally the supplementary -doc packages ? [11:25] TJ-: I have understood it blocks installing files to specific dirs [11:25] In this case, /usr/share/doc/ [11:26] setpill: which "minimal image" are you referring to? The desktop installer option just uninstalls a list of packages [11:27] https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/minimal/releases/bionic/release/ [11:29] setpill: I'm not aware of any options to delete parts of packages, that'd break dpkg/apt in horrible ways [11:30] setpill: /usr/share/docs// contains things like the changelog [11:30] TJ-: I am having trouble installing a package specifically because of this (suspected) rule, hence why I am trying to disable it. [11:31] in powerdns, we've had to move sql schemas away from the docs because of some images doing this [11:33] setpill, please look through /etc/dpkg [11:34] Habbie: perfect, thanks [11:34] path-exclude=/usr/share/doc/* found in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/excludes [11:34] yes [11:34] i just found it too === the_ant1 is now known as the_ant [11:35] setpill: I've just downloaded and mounted the ubuntu-18.04-minimal-cloudimg-amd64.img and it contains all the expected files in /usr/share/doc/ [11:35] TJ-: `cat /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/excludes` [11:36] TJ-, if it's anything like the debian-slim images on the dockerhub, there is some content in /usr/share/doc but any packages you install will not get docs - because of that rule that setpill pasted [11:36] To be fair it's poor packaging to blame here for breaking upon not being able to install docs, but still :) [11:36] well [11:36] i'm not sure i agree [11:36] but as i said, this has inconvenienced me before [11:37] setpill: 527 files under /usr/share/doc/ [11:37] setpill: there is no rule to prevent installing in that path [11:39] Habbie: oh, thanks for the clue... you learn something new every day! setpill see the file etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/excludes :) [11:39] setpill: specifically " path-exclude=/usr/share/doc/* " [11:39] ... [11:44] TJ-, :) [11:51] there we go [11:52] can we help you cmg0x1e [11:53] had a question here... i'm trying to kill a few zombie instances without killing my active shell, i've got pts/{8-32} zombies [11:53] any "easy" way to do that? [11:59] cmg0x1e: zombies can not be killed, are dead already (thus the name), they can be cleaned up by ending / killing the parent process. if that's immediately your shell (no intermedia processes) then you have no other options. [12:00] if that is your shell, there's something wrong with your shell [12:00] it's hung sessions tomreyn [12:00] connection dropped on my end, but they didn't clear [12:00] so which state are they in? [12:00] so just proceesses waiting for input, that's not zombies [12:01] ps aux | grep Z # to see zombieprocesses; [12:01] yes, but connections been dead for about 4hrs [12:02] if that's ssh shells, reconfigure their timeouts, and kill the processes you can no longer control [12:06] ah [12:06] use a terminal multiplexer to no loose control over a remote shell. until then, maybe use reptyr -T as a dirty hack to try and regain control once lost. [12:06] hmmm [12:06] interesting [12:06] issue is my internet connection is 2mb down at home, so it's dying easily [12:07] cmg0x1e, a multiplexer that I like and suggest is tmux [12:07] i'll have to look into tmux, never used before [12:10] hi all please help me out how can i go about updating only one program using terminal i would like to update only youtube-dl-im familiar with sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y but not how to update only the one [12:10] thanks in advance [12:11] hi. thunderbird is asking for owl subscription what is that? [12:11] conjo, change your offensive name, please, thanks [12:11] another question, if I want to force a program to open on just one monitor (laptop) as opposed to external... I've tried running DISPLAY=":0.0" $COMMAND, but it's not working [12:11] before i was use to add my outlook email without problem.. but now it is asking me to pay [12:11] B|ack0p: are you on ubuntu or debian this time? === conjo is now known as nojimonicous [12:11] on ubuntu on my other device [12:11] soz [12:11] i have 3 laptops [12:11] lotuspsychje: [12:12] nojimonicous, does ubuntu even have a newer version of youtube-dl for you? [12:12] and yes debian also didnt fix my graphics problem unfortunately on my old laptop :/ [12:12] good question i jumped ship for ages and am only back tonight [12:12] i mean it is not distro issue it is my old laptop [12:12] but now i am on my other laptop on ubuntu [12:12] nojimonicous, 'apt-get install youtube-dl' would upgrade just youtube-dl, if there is an upgrade available [12:12] B|ack0p: yeah, we already know this [12:13] thank you Habbie [12:13] lotuspsychje: i will probably replace mainboard with intel gpu probably it will work better than ATI [12:13] B|ack0p: lets not discuss that here [12:13] ok [12:13] now can we get my first question? [12:14] thunderbird has a new feature it seems named owl and it is asking me to pay on a free linux [12:14] isnt it dilemma? [12:15] B|ack0p: add your account using IMAP or POP. Thunderbird has never supported an Exchange account without the use of a third party service/addon [12:15] leftyfb: but before there was no own addon === _pa is now known as Harlekino [12:15] B|ack0p: Thunderbird has never supported an Exchange account without the use of a third party service/addon [12:15] yesterday i ran sudo apt update and upgrade then i faced that own addon [12:15] leftyfb: right but that third party addon was free before [12:16] B|ack0p: ok, that has nothing to do with Ubuntu or Mozilla Thunderbird. Contact the addon developer [12:16] Habbie whats going on here what am i doing wrong https://imgur.com/a/YG22kjL [12:17] nojimonicous, you are doing nothing wrong; debian/ubuntu ship youtube-dl, do not update it, and disable the automatic updater [12:18] nojimonicous, which means youtube-dl, as shipped by debian/ubuntu, is pretty useless [12:18] nojimonicous, i installed the new version in my homedir myself [12:18] nojimonicous, but i'm on debian - for ubuntu, it's likely you can find a ppa with a newer version [12:18] dam [12:18] thanks for all ur help [12:19] nojimonicous, https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/ubuntu/webupd8 [12:19] nojimonicous: and keep in mind adding ppa's could be a security risk too [12:19] maybe i used it on manjaro before cuz cant remember any issues in the past [12:19] nojimonicous, hmm, that one is outdated too [12:20] manjaro is rolling, means it always has the newest of everything [12:20] got me stumpd then but i have in the past had success using youtub-dl (many distro hops ago lols) [12:21] Habbie: not sure advising external ppa's is a good idea in the support channel, hence we reccomend to use the official repos [12:21] hope ubuntu software store doesnt become commercial.. [12:21] !discuss | B|ack0p [12:21] B|ack0p: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [12:21] ok.... so I've tried wmctrl to move an application out of view of the desktop to the desktop with no success, any ideas? [12:21] lotuspsychje, i was wondering about that already, won't do it again - it's a good policy [12:21] cheers re the ppa warnings lotuspsychje [12:21]