[02:24] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:24] <sarnold> hey lotuspsychje
[02:24] <lotuspsychje> hey sarnold
[02:25] <lotuspsychje> support slowly again?
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: can we get a LP answers link in #ubuntu-bugs-announce to report bug spammers?
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[06:34] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:05] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[07:07] <EoflaOE> hello
[07:08] <lordievader> 👋
[07:08] <EoflaOE> hi lordievader. How are you doing?
[07:09] <lordievader> Apart from the cold, quite allright.
[07:09] <lordievader> What about you guys?
[07:09] <EoflaOE> Just woke up. I am alright.
[07:12] <lordievader> Any plans for today?
[07:13] <marcoagpinto> I have been up since 4am working on my sites and thesis
[07:13] <marcoagpinto> :)
[07:14] <EoflaOE> Finishing my Kernel Simulator.
[07:14] <EoflaOE> The new version, 0.0.6.13
[07:14] <lordievader> Kernel Simulator?
[07:14] <lordievader> What kind of kernel?
[07:14] <lordievader> Linux, machine learning?
[07:15] <EoflaOE> Yes. The kernel that is simulated is my own kernel that will be done in the future as in both bootable and simulator versions. Currently, only simulator is being built. It has no name yet, but will get it in the future.
[07:16] <lordievader> What is the purpose of simulating a kernel? (Trying to wrap my head around the idea 😉 )
[07:19] <EoflaOE> First, my kernel simulator allows users and experts to get early access to my kernel that isn't finished yet. As it goes into the release candidate, the bootable version might be done, and can be bootable using GRUB, LILO, and Windows boot manager.
[07:20] <lordievader> I see. Is it comparable to qemu?
[07:21] <EoflaOE> QEMU is an emulator. However Kernel Simulator is a simulator, so it's not comparable.
[07:21] <lordievader> Right. Cool :)
[07:22] <EoflaOE> It's currently hosted on https://github.com/EoflaOE/Kernel-Simulator
[07:54] <EoflaOE> I am also planning to make a PPA for very old apps like xlander, etc.
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:27] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj! lotuspsychje! pragmaticenigma! Hello guys!
[12:27] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> hi
[12:28] <marcoagpinto> I am listening to some cool heavy metal
[12:28] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[12:59] <pragmaticenigma> yo
[13:03] <marcoagpinto> y0!
[13:04] <pragmaticenigma> who you callin' a yo yo?
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:05] <marcoagpinto> what?
[13:05] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[13:06] <marcoagpinto> I am just a cola demon
[13:06] <marcoagpinto> a blue demon
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> !info gnome-disk-utility
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> !bug
[13:31] <pragmaticenigma> !feature
[13:42] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: pointer to answeres.lp.net added to /topic on -announce
[13:42] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: and... godd morning/afternoon :-), and thank you
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> tnx hggdh
[14:16] <TJ-> Did I mention here at the Blind Society how slow the HP Windows 10 PCs are? Operators have been complaining about this since 2017 when they were installed by the IT support company but that Co has never fixed it.. Typically boot to desktop is 7 minutes and opening email client or browsing means they can go make a coffee whilst the cursor spins
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: tomreyn found a warkaround for me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1838644
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: : o 7min
[14:17] <TJ-> This morning I booted from Linux and did some tests. Sequential read test with dd 120MB/s - as expected... random read test using fio, 390KB/s max!
[14:18] <TJ-> These all have WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA3 drives in
[14:18] <TJ-> Cloned the HDDs to SSDs and now boot to desktop takes 14 seconds
[14:18] <TJ-> You've never seen quite so many smiling laughing faces
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i saw recent customers with w10 laptops fresh bought from mediamarket like that too, 500GB spinner with endless booting
[14:19] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: it must be a firmware defect in the HDDs... it *feels* like their internal 16MB RAM cache is not being used
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: did you convert them to linux too? or w10 clone ssd?
[14:19] <TJ-> I did the fio tests in the NTFS and a new ext4 and got the same results
[14:20] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: cloned the drives, they're still booting into Windows 10
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> kk
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: what happens to the caviars now?
[14:20] <TJ-> I'm now going round every PC and running the same tests and collecting the results to compile an action-file so we can force the IT supplier/support Co to replace the drives.
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> nice project
[14:21] <TJ-> Operators have ben opening support tickets since 2017 about this and they've never figured out this basic issue
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> omg..
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> ssd whats that?
[14:21] <TJ-> So, once we've got the drives replaced on their cost we'll be dumping them!
[14:22] <TJ-> Those Caviar HD drives should typically manage 40-50MB/s random I/O
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> i try to enclosure my customers spinners, so they still can use them as storage
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> sharkoon enclosures
[14:23] <TJ-> Well these are useless at 390KB/s
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:24] <TJ-> I checked the firmware revision; on the latest from WD
[14:24] <TJ-> I'm wondering if it is some interaction with the HP motherboards so I'm going to test one on another system
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: got that model from HP?
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> im curious
[14:25] <TJ-> Presumably, I've seen the invoice and it just lists HP Desktop with 500GB HDD
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> maybe a bulk one with white cheap products inside :p
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> like medion does
[14:26] <TJ-> oh lovely, we have 3 years parts and labour from HP!
[14:27] <TJ-> dated 2015 :(
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[14:27] <TJ-> so these could have been fixed under warranty if the support Co had diagnosed this properly
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: problem is the original buy, when a store says the computers are fine
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> the Os dont work properly on it by default
[14:33] <TJ-> in this case the PCs were specified and supplied by our IT support Co
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: we had a recent article in belgium a school bought like 2000 chromebooks bulk
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> i looked up the model, was like less then 200 euro/piece
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> officially
[14:35] <TJ-> What annoys me most is the number of times staff and volunteers here have told the support co there is something wrong and it was never diagnosed properly
[14:36] <TJ-> Literally months have been wasted waiting for the PCs they're so slow
[14:36] <TJ-> So you'd expect those chromebooks in bulk to attract a discount?
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah surely they made a deal
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> students need something to work in the cloud with
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> so they chosen cheap chromebooks
[14:38] <TJ-> pfft @ cloud ... and as useful as bricks if there's any network hiccup
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> wonder how long those machines will endure too
[14:39] <TJ-> Chromebooks were designed to feed Google's recurring services revenue
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> i dont like those cheap, glued emmc devices
[14:40] <TJ-> hmmm well this, my Asus T300CHI, has one (128GB) I don't mind it for a light ultra portable transformer
[14:40] <TJ-> I've also got a 256GB SD-card in with a VG called VG_READ_MOSTLY which really describes its use :)
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah well, i had an sus repair once too, battery was glued on mobo lol
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> battery dead, throw away laptop
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> cost you more sending back to factory then its worth
[14:41] <TJ-> I cracked the digitiser on this earlier in the year. I've got a new one waiting to be fitted but its such a challenging job I've held off tackling it - if I get it wrong I'll break the LCD and have to replace them both :)
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[14:42] <TJ-> And as I *hate* touchscreen anyhow it's disabled in udev so aside from noticing the refraction the cracks cause occassionally I don't mind it
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i see HP PC desktop Slimline 290-p0049nb around 300-400 euro
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> 4gb ram 500gb spinner, weirdy cpu :p
[14:45] <TJ-> yeah, G3x50 or something
[14:45] <TJ-> G3250
[14:45] <marcoagpinto> it is a Pentium
[14:45] <TJ-> indeed
[14:45] <marcoagpinto> but a more recent generation of it
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> needs lubuntu bad :p
[14:46] <TJ-> only 2 cores, no HT
[14:46] <marcoagpinto> yes, it sucks
[14:46] <TJ-> needs Lubuntu - got Windows 10 !
[14:46] <TJ-> They run fine with the SSDs in, no lag
[14:46] <marcoagpinto> how come it has no HT?
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats what i did with my laptop customer too, w10 ran bit faster that way
[14:46] <marcoagpinto> even my Pentium T4200 blah blah has
[14:47] <TJ-> marcoagpinto: no idea! the Intel Ark confirms it though
[14:47] <EoflaOE> Hello everyone
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> hey EoflaOE
[14:47] <marcoagpinto> Hello EoflaOE!
[14:47] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[14:47] <marcoagpinto> anyway, I have been up since 4am and need a nap
[14:47] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:47] <EoflaOE> hi lotuspsychje and marcoagpinto. How are you doing?
[14:47] <marcoagpinto> :p
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> good good
[14:48] <marcoagpinto> I have been adding word to the GB speller and thesis
[14:48] <marcoagpinto> :p
[14:48] <marcoagpinto> words*
[14:48] <EoflaOE> Nice.
[14:49] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaaaa... my 80K lines university project... I could reduce the number of lines because I created a function that gets the values from StringGadgets and turns them red if the values are invalid
[14:49] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:50] <marcoagpinto> I created the function for Proofing Tool GUI and then realised it had more uses
[14:51] <EoflaOE> Nice.
[14:55] <marcoagpinto> guys?! I have to nap... bbl... take care
[15:24] <leftyfb> TJ-: did you say you have dropbear running from initramfs? Mine is complaining about "uninitialized urandom read (32 bytes read)
[17:38] <teadbeef> Hi, I was trying to install Ubuntu 5.04 using qemu (for self-education). It all went well, except after booting with the live iso, I don't know the next step to take. Two problems are envolved: i. I don't see any virtual hard drive mapped to /dev. This is unexpected since I created a 6G image before and attached. ii. I don't know how to install the system to the device if present. Should I configure
[17:38] <teadbeef> the system manually? (e.g. create the fstab file, set up the time zone, configure the network etc.).
[17:39] <TJ-> Revelation! Brought one of the WD Blue Caviear 500G HDDs home connected it via USB3<>SATA bridge to the low-powered PC Engines APU2 that has a measily AMD Geode CPU ... random read test can do 29MB/s ... compare that to the 390KB/s the drive does in those HP Desktops... looks like there's some major incompatibility beteween the HPs and these WD drives
[17:40] <teadbeef> This is the command that I used to launch the vm: qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso -boot order=d -drive file=kernel-dev-2.6.10.img,format=raw -m 2G
[17:41] <teadbeef> I didn't see any sd* nor vd* devices under /dev
[17:41] <teadbeef> Let me know if this is not the right place to ask.
[17:44] <TJ-> teadbeef: are you having to work on a PC without a GUI? Because if you have GUI install virt-manager it'll make the task much easier
[17:45] <TJ-> !info virt-manager
[17:45] <OerHeks> 5.04 gave a live iso and install iso
[17:45] <OerHeks> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/
[17:46] <lordcirth> teadbeef, why 5.04? What's educational about it?
[19:50] <nacc> leftyfb: i mentioned it a bit before you answered, but bzr is in universe now (in 19.04+)
[19:50] <leftyfb> nacc: the version he's looking for is in main as well
[19:51] <nacc> leftyfb: tbh, this user seems to know just enough to get them into trouble
[19:52] <leftyfb> yep
[19:52] <nacc> leftyfb: you mean the base version? bzr6622 is in main in 18.04, yes
[19:52] <leftyfb> -15 is in main 19.04
[19:52] <leftyfb> -10 is 18.04
[19:52] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr doesn't agree
[19:52] <nacc> but ok
[19:53] <nacc> *maybe* it didn't get moved, but i doubt that
[19:53] <sarnold> btw what's the goal with the bzr questions? maybe the right answer is to direct him or her to breezy instead
[19:53] <nacc> in all of 19.04 it is only in universe https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+publishinghistory
[19:53] <nacc> yeah, i don't know sarnold :)
[19:53] <leftyfb> nacc: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/tx8CpfG5Yt/
[19:54] <leftyfb> oh damn, it is universe
[19:54] <leftyfb> odd
[19:54] <nacc> ... universe :)
[19:54] <nacc> heh
[19:54] <leftyfb> could have sworn ...
[19:54] <leftyfb> oh well, not the first or last time I'm wrong
[19:54] <nacc> heh, not a big deal at all!
[19:54] <OerHeks> normally it is me wrong :-D
[19:55] <OerHeks> thnx
[19:55] <nacc> `pull-lp-source` may be a better alternative to `apt-get source` since it's not dependent on apt configuration
[19:55] <leftyfb> nacc: good to know
[19:55] <leftyfb> bit ugly adding repo's temporarily
[19:55] <nacc> you can specify version and release targets too
[20:00] <nacc> OerHeks: lol
[20:00] <nacc> leftyfb: there's an equivalent `pull-debian-source`
[20:07] <leftyfb> problem with ubuntu servers?
[20:07] <leftyfb> paste.ubuntu.com seems down
[20:07] <leftyfb> as does me trying  pull-debian-source bzr disco
[20:08] <sarnold> many of us are also disconnected from internal irc
[20:10] <nacc> well `pull-debian-source ... disco` won't work  anyways
[20:10] <nacc> as disco is not a debian version
[20:10] <sarnold> heh
[20:12] <leftyfb> ah, right