[03:15] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:09] <EoflaOE> good morni
[06:09] <EoflaOE> morning*
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: morning
[06:10] <EoflaOE> good morning lotuspsychje
[06:13] <lordievader> Hey EoflaOE
[06:13] <EoflaOE> Hello, how are you?
[06:20] <lordievader> Doing good here
[10:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:49] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[11:49]  * JimBuntu slides an orange juice with lime to marcoagpinto 
[11:49] <marcoagpinto> what?
[11:49] <marcoagpinto> I am drinking cola
[11:50] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:50] <marcoagpinto> at 5am I ran out of stock
[11:50] <marcoagpinto> but I already bought some more
[11:50] <JimBuntu> I am trying to help you live longer, use the PhD to better use
[11:50] <marcoagpinto> JimBuntu: at the supermarket in the last weekend there was a customer who said that her mother was 80 and only drank cola
[11:50] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:52] <JimBuntu> People lie.
[11:52] <JimBuntu> 80 isn't even that old, come back in 21 years ;p
[11:52] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhhhhh
[11:54] <BluesKaj> marcoagpinto, are you writing a thesis about cola for your PhD ?
[11:54] <BluesKaj> you shoukd be
[11:54] <BluesKaj> should
[11:56] <marcoagpinto> it is about terrorism and information theory
[11:56] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:56] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: hello
[11:56] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[11:58] <JimBuntu> marcoagpinto, your thoughts on how the term terrorism is used outside of those using terror to meet their goals?
[11:58] <marcoagpinto> no
[11:58] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:59] <marcoagpinto> I am going to prove that the domain of information in combat is catastrophic
[11:59] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:59] <marcoagpinto> something like that
[11:59] <marcoagpinto> it is hard to explain
[12:00] <JimBuntu> Sorry, I was asking what your thoughts are on how the term is used
[12:00] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[12:00] <marcoagpinto> everything now-a-days is terrorism
[12:00] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:00] <marcoagpinto> if there is one dead or two, it is terrorism
[12:00] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:00] <JimBuntu> The history of the term is odd because it wasn't originally used the way people would expect it to be used, it wasn't used by it's common definition, which really, it isn't used by now either
[12:00] <marcoagpinto> I have written then in a line in the thesis
[12:01] <marcoagpinto> them*
[12:01] <marcoagpinto> the first time the term was used was in a war envolving the French
[12:01] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:01] <marcoagpinto> but that is all I know
[12:01] <JimBuntu> I agree, everything is called terrorism now, even though the term should have a clear definition and most things aren't terrorism if defined normally
[12:01] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:02] <JimBuntu> Yeah, French revolution, used as a slander against the enemy, even though they were NOT trying to use terror tactics
[12:03] <JimBuntu> For me, a perfect example of REAL terrorism is basically from the Batman movie ( to keep it silly ) where people were afraid to use make-up as some unknown combination was disastrous.
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Robespierre and Danton used terrorist tactics against the aristocracy
[12:04] <marcoagpinto> I only want to finish the course to dedicate my free time to the projects :)
[12:04] <marcoagpinto> and code games again
[12:05] <JimBuntu> Ah, no worries marcoagpinto , it's nice to chase your dream even if silly things like a thesis or dissertations get in the way ;p
[12:05] <marcoagpinto> I have put appart even the UFO subject :(
[12:05] <marcoagpinto> I am a member of MUFON but for ages that I only pay the membership and do nothing
[12:05] <JimBuntu> UFOs are REAL... aliens might not be ( idk ) but UFOs are :-)
[12:05] <marcoagpinto> I don't even read the journal
[12:06] <marcoagpinto> I need to learn UNITY 3D and get back to convert ZX Spectrum games to the PC
[12:06] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:07] <JimBuntu> My brother caught UFO footage while waiting to record me exiting a test. Did some crazy stuff, even ended up on the local news. No explanation from local air ports etc
[12:08] <BluesKaj> marcoagpinto, have you seen this?  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-spotted-boarding-ufo-in-romania/
[12:08] <marcoagpinto> http://marcoagpinto.com/me_space.html <- this should give you lots of information about the subject
[12:08] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:08] <JimBuntu> This was back in the days of large VHS camcorders. He was very lucky to have had it with him as he was supposed to be capturing the look on my face exiting
[12:10] <BluesKaj> I have the original video of the above alien boarding the spaceship, the one I posted is blurry and poorly edited
[12:11] <JimBuntu> BUILD THE WALL! ;p
[12:12] <marcoagpinto> what?
[12:12] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:13] <JimBuntu> marcoagpinto, sorry, Political style joke about stopping the 'aliens'.
[12:13] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[12:13] <marcoagpinto> anyway, in my site you can find information not found elsewhere
[12:13] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:14] <JimBuntu> looking
[12:14] <marcoagpinto> I have tons of paranormal books which I bought in the 1990s and they don't have it
[12:15] <JimBuntu> Oh! marcoagpinto , I heard last night... Bernie Sanders says that if he gets elected ( as president of the USA ) and they tell him ETs exist, he will tell the people on Joe Rogans YouTube channel.
[12:16] <marcoagpinto> well, Clinton said "Area 51" existed... but for decades that the people know that
[12:16] <BluesKaj> here is a better version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNz7BNhdkfw
[12:17] <JimBuntu> marcoagpinto, I'll have to get you the info, but you should update that Area 51 was relocated, somewhat publicly as well.
[12:17] <marcoagpinto> ohhhh
[12:17] <JimBuntu> Scientific American sent journalists with cash to Area 51 right after the move, they couldn't even get a single fine placed on them though
[12:18] <JimBuntu> thanks BluesKaj
[12:20] <JimBuntu> a new twist for the thesis marcoagpinto , aliens are actually terrorists... they keep showing up to prevent our space program :-)
[12:20] <marcoagpinto> what?
[12:21] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:21] <marcoagpinto> the thesis is about visible things
[12:21] <BluesKaj> there are all kinds of claims about visiting aliens working with Area 51 engineers etc
[12:21] <JimBuntu> They show up to stress that we shouldn't be exploring... cause they want all the things for themselves
[12:21] <marcoagpinto> I don't refer to aliens and such in it
[12:21] <JimBuntu> Well, I should hope not... not if you want your doctorate.
[12:22] <marcoagpinto> if all goes well, in 2021 I will return to the subject
[12:22] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:22] <JimBuntu> yay, not too far away.
[12:22] <marcoagpinto> yes
[12:22] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:23] <marcoagpinto> I wanted to finish the course this year... but the thesis is never approved by the supervisors
[12:23] <marcoagpinto> I have been changing it since December
[12:23] <JimBuntu> ouch, sorry to hear that
[12:24] <marcoagpinto> first I wrote two volumes, one with DATA ANALYSIS and with the MAIN stuff
[12:24] <marcoagpinto> ~1000 pages the data one
[12:24] <marcoagpinto> the other some ~700 pages
[12:25] <marcoagpinto> but the professor complained it was not a thesis, so I had to give up on the DATA volume and rewrite the main
[12:25] <marcoagpinto> and OTHER with the MAIN stuff*
[12:26] <marcoagpinto> On December the Professor said my thesis looked like a Sh*tty report
[12:26] <marcoagpinto> so, I had to rewrite it
[12:26] <marcoagpinto> :(
[12:26] <marcoagpinto> what is wrong with a report anyway?
[12:26] <marcoagpinto> he shouted that on the phone
[12:27] <pragmaticenigma> no shouting!
[12:28] <marcoagpinto> "your thesis looks like a sh*tty report!!!!!!"
[12:28] <marcoagpinto> :(((((((((
[12:28] <marcoagpinto> I got so sad
[12:29] <marcoagpinto> after 6 years working on the software and text
[12:44] <BluesKaj> marcoagpinto, don't you have a professor advisor to help you thru your thesis?
[12:46] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: yes, since January
[12:46] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:47] <BluesKaj> most PhD candidates in North American universities have an advisor from the start
[12:47] <marcoagpinto> I only got one because it looked like a s**** report
[12:48] <marcoagpinto> the cosupervisor was the Professor's best student
[12:48] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:48] <marcoagpinto> 19/20 grande
[12:48] <marcoagpinto> grade*
[12:49] <BluesKaj> the advisor should be there to guide you from the beginning
[12:49] <marcoagpinto> I know :(((((((((
[12:50] <marcoagpinto> I had to code the software by myself and write the thesis
[12:51] <marcoagpinto> that is why I suggested the cosupervisor of the masters, but the Professor didn't accept it
[12:51] <BluesKaj> my son is an associate professor at a smaller U, but he managed to have an advisor throughout his thesis work
[12:53] <BluesKaj> it must have been difficult for you to be so "on your own"
[12:54] <marcoagpinto> yes, and then I changed my timetable at the supermarket to only work on the weekends... and a university invited me to become the Moodle Manager
[12:54] <marcoagpinto> two terrible years, with e-mails arriving at all times of the day and night
[12:54] <marcoagpinto> I would work for them from home
[12:54] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:55] <marcoagpinto> that is why I say that work is a necessary evil and leads nowhere... I will never find peace on earth
[12:55] <marcoagpinto> the director phoned me to go to the university to help him with an e-mail writing
[12:55] <marcoagpinto> in a few seconds I drag'n'dropped the image into the e-mail and teh work was done
[12:56] <marcoagpinto> :(
[12:56] <marcoagpinto> I spent 3 hours of travel to insert an image into an e-mail
[12:56] <marcoagpinto> :(
[12:57] <marcoagpinto> that is why I have been refusing work offers for years... it leads nowhere
[12:59] <lordievader> <BluesKaj "most PhD candidates in North Ame"> Here you are also assigned an advisor and a supervisor right from the start. Though sometimes you have to poke a bit.
[12:59] <BluesKaj> marcoagpinto, next time ask him what he's trying to do and tell him how
[12:59] <BluesKaj> over the phone
[13:00] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[13:00] <marcoagpinto> and the university newsletter... I sent the same letter to 10K several times
[13:00] <marcoagpinto> the students were angry at me
[13:00] <marcoagpinto> because the director told me to send it
[13:00] <BluesKaj> lordievader, yes my son did some lobbying ;-)
[13:04] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: about the image, both directors (a man and a woman) told me they wanted a meeting with me... so, I went there and the meeting was inserting the image
[13:04] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:07] <marcoagpinto> I have learned my lesson
[13:07] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:07] <marcoagpinto> I need to retire with the EuroMillions
[13:25] <BluesKaj> well. I wish you the best in your work and your goals
[13:25] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[13:25] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[13:28] <BluesKaj> bbl
[13:28] <marcoagpinto> oki
[13:28] <marcoagpinto> take care
[13:33] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: ahhh... the university job was in 2015
[13:33] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:33] <marcoagpinto> two years
[13:33] <marcoagpinto> working from home to them
[13:34] <marcoagpinto> but they had meeting I had to go physically
[13:34] <marcoagpinto> meetings*
[13:35] <lordievader> I have weekly meetings with my supervisor. That really helps. Sure, sometimes we skip a week if it doesn't fit with our schedules, but still.
[13:46] <marcoagpinto> http://proofingtoolgui.org/proofingtoolgui_files/Europass-CV-marcoagpinto_20190601_en.pdf
[13:46] <marcoagpinto> ahhh.. I worked for the university between 2013 and 2015
[13:46] <marcoagpinto> my head has been mixing the dates
[13:46] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:46] <marcoagpinto> I am brain-toasted completely
[13:49] <lordievader> That means it is time for something else ;)
[13:50] <marcoagpinto> what?
[13:54] <lordievader> If your brain went to mush on one topic/task it is time do something else.
[13:54] <marcoagpinto> I am trying to do all at the same time
[13:54] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:55] <marcoagpinto> that is my problem... I try to do all
[13:55] <lordievader> Too much context switching...
[13:55] <marcoagpinto> yes
[14:17] <marcoagpinto> bbl
[14:17] <marcoagpinto> take care everyone
[17:31] <pragmaticenigma> !info pdftk
[17:32] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: I'm certain this question was posted before in #u, about pdftk... think it's another case of someone that can't use a web search engine
[17:37] <OerHeks> pragmaticenigma, i find no other gui, so that would explain it
[17:38] <pragmaticenigma> best I can find on pdftk is that it's closed source java application, and not something I can find in any of the ubuntu repos
[17:40] <leftyfb> zsh-common: /usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/X/_pdftk
[17:40] <leftyfb> not sure if that's related
[17:40] <leftyfb> maybe they're referring to a zsh function?
[17:47] <pragmaticenigma> not sure ... pdftk is a pretty well known PDF processing tool kit ... if something else goes by the same name, I have not been able to find it so far
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> good evening
[17:49] <OerHeks> hi lotuspsychje
[17:49] <OerHeks> new firefox 68.0.2 ..
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> tnx, updating
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: Do you recall a previous converation in main about pdftk?
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: refresh my mind a bit?
[17:53] <pragmaticenigma> oh, I'm thinking the topic would have been back in February... so if it doesn't ring a bell on the name, i'm not sure I can think of anything else to help
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> im not good at remembering nicks, unless they are trolls :p
[17:54] <pragmaticenigma> not a nick... name of application
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> not then
[17:59] <lordievader> pragmaticenigma: It is still in debian. Would expect it is therefore in Ubuntu repos too. https://packages.debian.org/buster/pdftk
[18:00] <pragmaticenigma> It's probably somewhere out there, I'm just not searching apt with the right term
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> no matter how you look at it... pdftk is intentionally written to be worked with in a CLI interface as it's goal is to be used to batch process PDFs... A GUI would imply that one wishes to edit a pdf, which is not an intended use case for PDFtk
[18:02] <pragmaticenigma> from some documentation though: The pdftk package in Ubuntu (and its upstream Debian package) was dropped due to its dependency on the now deprecated GCJ runtime. I found a fork that depends on OpenJDK or similar instead.
[18:02] <tomreyn> this reminds me i wanted to setup a search engine for irclogs
[18:02] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: Does "{search_term} site:irclogs.google.com" not work?
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> oops
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: Does "{search_term} site:irclogs.ubuntu.com" not work?
[18:03] <tomreyn> no, not really
[18:03] <tomreyn> google web search was nice before it became a product
[18:05] <tomreyn> or rather before they started selling proper search results as a service
[18:06] <daftykins> :<
[18:09] <Kon-> I've continued testing on this bug and I'm thinking it's a mainline kernel issue at this stage.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe/+bug/1839750
[18:10] <Kon-> I know 5.0 introduced a lot of Intel CPU mitigations, but seeing as how this primarily effects my AMD GPU, I'm a little confused here. I did test some CPU workloads and didn't notice any significant change
[18:10] <Kon-> (AMD CPU too)
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> Kon-: lordievader said he was on 4.19 for ryzen and works nice there
[18:11] <daftykins> Kon-: my extremely limited understanding of mesa is that it's very much behind in HWE stacks for ubuntu normally, have you tried one of the commonly used mesa PPAs for a much newer release?
[18:11] <daftykins> perhaps it marries up with the kernels better
[18:11] <Kon-> lotuspsychje: Yes, I tested the latest 4.19.66 and it's great
[18:12] <lordievader> `Linux executor 4.19.57-gentoo #5 SMP Mon Aug 5 12:08:45 CEST 2019 x86_64 AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux`
[18:12] <Kon-> daftykins: I've tried Mesa from the repo, 19.1 series from the Stable PPA, and the 19.2-devel builds
[18:12] <Kon-> The outcomes only change with kernel changes
[18:13] <daftykins> Kon-: hmm i was really referring to other PPAs often spoken of in game related circles, not sure if those are any newer in comparison
[18:13] <daftykins> is it games you're trying to facilitate?
[18:13] <Kon-> Doesn't get any newer than the git, I think ;)
[18:13] <Kon-> But yeah, my dev builds were pre-compiled on the PPA
[18:14] <daftykins> ok well that wasn't immediately obvious from the words you chose
[18:15] <Kon-> And yes, I was on 5.0 for a week before I noticed a regression. Seems only Vulkan titles are affected
[18:15] <tomreyn> how about newer kernels? how do you measure the performance drop?
[18:15] <Kon-> 4.20.17 was good, 5.0.3 was bad, 5.2.8 remains bad
[18:16] <daftykins> where is the nice write-up with pretty graphs? :D
[18:16] <Kon-> I think my write-up in the bug report was good. No graphs yet
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> i asked Kon- to describe his benchmarking in his bug
[18:17] <tomreyn> oh sorry i have not read the full bug report, yet
[18:27] <OerHeks> oh, our distrowatch poller crazytux is back, enjoy
[19:07] <TJ-> tomreyn: Looks like my fio tests onn SATA/udma5 are bogus ... I decided to test other SATA3 drives and got the same kind of results! Not sure how to do a definitive test now to identify the original issue
[19:31] <TJ-> hmmm, in KVM guest: "Jobs: 1 (f=1): [m(1)][100.0%][r=88.9MiB/s,w=30.0MiB/s][r=22.8k,w=7691 IOPS][eta 00m:00s]"
[19:32] <tomreyn> TJ-: i have never used fio, couldn't tell...
[19:32] <TJ-> anyone free to test, on a spinning disk, "sudo fio --randrepeat=1 --ioengine=libaio --direct=1 --gtod_reduce=1 --name=randrw --filename=randrw.fio.test --bs=4k --iodepth=64 --size=1G --readwrite=randrw --rwmixread=75 --directory=/ " and let me see the results
[19:33] <tomreyn> thats non destructive, right?
[19:34] <TJ-> tomreyn: it creates the file /randrw.fio.test size 1G and uses that
[19:34] <TJ-> if you're mounting some other device pass --directory=/path/to/mountpoint
[19:37] <TJ-> I've done this test on different SATA disks in my forensics/data-recovery server, loadavg was 0.02, ioping on the same device being tested as the tests are running was 0.2ms, so not sure where the issue is
[19:38] <TJ-> Going for dinner whilst tests run
[19:51] <tomreyn> this is a laptop with single SAMSUNG MZNTE256HMHP-000H1 hdd with dmcrypt-luks + lvm + ext4 on /: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t2x888yFqS/
[19:55] <TJ-> tomreyn: that's an SSD?
[19:55]  * daftykins nods
[19:56] <TJ-> That's about what I see for various SSDs... its the spinning rust I need to compare against
[19:57] <tomreyn> whoops sorry, ssd indeed
[19:57] <TJ-> I'd doing the same test of the WD Blue and it's reporting Jobs: 1 (f=1): [m(1)][32.6%][r=468KiB/s,w=140KiB/s][r=117,w=35 IOPS][eta 01h:20m:41s]s]
[19:58] <tomreyn> i dont have spinning rust where i can install fio + ioping currently
[19:58] <daftykins> nor me
[19:58] <TJ-> doesn't seem to be IO latency because ioping is fast: "min/avg/max/mdev = 196.3 us / 243.9 us / 350.6 us / 57.2 us"
[19:58] <TJ-> loadavg on the system is 0.02
[20:02] <TJ-> What's annoying here is a I know the original issue was solved by replacing the disk with a clone, but cannot find a definitive test to prove the fault, grrr
[20:03] <TJ-> And as we have 10 identical PCs all showing the same symtoms I want to do that force the supplier to fix them
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> OerHeks: I think he was referring to ubuntustudio-installer.
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> Also, there are 3 key ! commands: !ubuntustudio-installer, !ubuntustudio-controls, and !ubuntustudio-backports
[20:14] <OerHeks> hey Eickmeyer
[20:14] <OerHeks> ah, i missed controls
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, they popped-in to #ubuntustudio, but I couldn't get to it in time. Been busy prepping for a trip.