| tsimonq2 | Laney: indicator-datetime> Agreed, just following what was previously there. :P | 02:06 |
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| tsimonq2 | Laney: Perfect time for an epoch, right?!? | 02:06 |
| * tsimonq2 runs | 02:06 | |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 06:31 |
| duflu | Morning oSoMoN | 06:41 |
| duflu | and back later :) | 06:42 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 06:45 |
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| seb128 | goood morning desktopers | 07:06 |
| oSoMoN | salut seb128 | 07:06 |
| seb128 | lut oSoMoN, t'as passé un bon w.e ? | 07:07 |
| oSoMoN | très bon week-end, et toi? | 07:07 |
| seb128 | très bien aussi | 07:08 |
| seb128 | :) | 07:08 |
| seb128 | RAOF, hey, so colord... :) | 07:13 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, jamesh, tkamppeter, can you post your week summary on discourse? | 07:14 |
| RAOF | ...is ready for you to upload 😀 | 07:14 |
| seb128 | RAOF, woot! where do I get it from? | 07:14 |
| seb128 | like building from a vcs or do you have the files to dget/debsign/dput? | 07:14 |
| RAOF | Salsa | 07:14 |
| seb128 | k | 07:14 |
| seb128 | on it! | 07:15 |
| RAOF | Woot! | 07:16 |
| marcustomlinson | morning oSoMoN, duflu, seb128, RAOF | 07:31 |
| seb128 | hey marcustomlinson, how are you? | 07:31 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: pretty good thank you, yourself | 07:32 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks! | 07:32 |
| seb128 | I do wish ff was a bit later though | 07:32 |
| seb128 | busy week | 07:32 |
| marcustomlinson | indeed | 07:33 |
| oSoMoN | good morning marcustomlinson | 07:33 |
| marcustomlinson | hey oSoMoN, how was the long weekend? | 07:33 |
| oSoMoN | really good, I almost forgot what this work thing is about | 07:34 |
| marcustomlinson | ah so close to achieving true zen | 07:34 |
| oSoMoN | as zen as can be, surrounded by kids :) | 07:35 |
| marcustomlinson | :) | 07:36 |
| Trevinho | morning | 08:00 |
| Laney | moin | 08:01 |
| Laney | can't use the official upgraders to upgrade to eoan because the installer created a tiny /boot back when I installed | 08:09 |
| Laney | /o\ | 08:09 |
| seb128 | good morning Laney! | 08:11 |
| seb128 | that sucks :-/ | 08:12 |
| Laney | hey | 08:12 |
| Laney | yeah | 08:12 |
| Laney | it's like "make some space" | 08:12 |
| Laney | but that's not possible | 08:12 |
| Laney | :( | 08:12 |
| duflu | Morning seb128 | 08:22 |
| seb128 | hey duflu, how are you today? | 08:22 |
| duflu | Oops, scrollback... | 08:23 |
| duflu | Going OK other than complete failure to sleep and unwellness. You? | 08:23 |
| duflu | Morning also marcustomlinson and Laney | 08:23 |
| seb128 | :-( | 08:25 |
| seb128 | I'm good, stressing a bit about ff though | 08:26 |
| seb128 | we still didn't upload the new GNOME | 08:26 |
| seb128 | and there are other transitions to get done as well (poppler, vala) | 08:26 |
| duflu | Yes that's a biggie | 08:26 |
| seb128 | with still the current libvpx one not sorted out | 08:26 |
| Laney | hey duflu | 08:27 |
| Laney | gnome's more or less ready | 08:29 |
| seb128 | Laney, what is missing at this point? | 08:42 |
| Laney | clearing the transition from proposed is really the main thing | 08:46 |
| Laney | other than that need a final version of dash to dock but that's minor | 08:46 |
| seb128 | that's proposed situation is annoying :-/ | 08:51 |
| seb128 | cyphermox said he has an issue about the ffmpeg/armhf issue and was going to deal with it | 08:51 |
| duflu | seb128, remind me what you prefer to do with merging changelogs? | 08:52 |
| seb128 | but he still didn't, I don't feel like wasting working but redoing the debug/trying to fix it if someone is already on it | 08:52 |
| seb128 | duflu, import the ones from Debian and add a new revision on top which summarize our Delta | 08:52 |
| seb128 | (if that's what you are asking) | 08:52 |
| duflu | seb128, right but in chronological order, not import order? | 08:53 |
| duflu | The version order is also out due to epoch in Ubuntu | 08:53 |
| seb128 | hum? | 08:53 |
| seb128 | I think the natual way is to have what is current in Ubuntu | 08:53 |
| seb128 | the new Debian uploads come on top of that | 08:54 |
| seb128 | and then the new ubuntu one | 08:54 |
| seb128 | not that it matters much | 08:54 |
| duflu | seb128, I mean on top even though they are older than the ones below? | 08:54 |
| seb128 | yes, I think that's ok | 08:55 |
| duflu | Although it appears I do usually merge branches so maybe ordered by date is more consistent | 08:55 |
| seb128 | whatever works best for you I guess, it doesn't make a bit difference | 08:55 |
| duflu | Actually chronological makes no sense because it's switching to/from epoch regularly | 08:56 |
| duflu | OK... | 08:56 |
| seb128 | when not using a vcs I tend to just not merge back old Ubuntu entries and drop them | 08:56 |
| seb128 | and just have the top one summary | 08:56 |
| seb128 | well, alternating versions is fine, depends how you read the changelog | 08:56 |
| seb128 | if that's an order of what happened in Ubuntu then it's right, you have those Ubuntu versions then an import of some debian revisions then back to an ubuntu upload | 08:57 |
| duflu | I might do it differently again because it seems previously I only kept Ubuntu revs | 09:01 |
| duflu | I vaguely recall lint complains if you insert the non-epoch Debian revs in the middle | 09:02 |
| duflu | No, that can't be right either. It's also been done before | 09:04 |
| seb128 | don't waste too much time/energy on the changelog | 09:05 |
| seb128 | what I said work | 09:05 |
| seb128 | take what is currently in Ubuntu, stack the newer Debian entries on top | 09:05 |
| seb128 | and then add a new one/dch -i for the Ubuntu upload | 09:05 |
| duflu | Or the newest one to avoid ordering confusion. Done | 09:05 |
| Trevinho | Laney: dash-to-dock is in the PPA, I will do a downstream-but-upstream release in a bit and remove the ~pre from the ppa | 09:08 |
| Laney | good stuff | 09:09 |
| duflu | seb128, I am also going to pretend Debian's UNRELEASED version is released. Just wait for it to happen and then will update | 09:27 |
| duflu | Hmm, maybe I should just not mention that since it's not yet an actual version | 09:29 |
| duflu | seb128, Done. It builds, it installs. Now for some actual testing (anyone can join in now); https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/log/?h=ubuntu-eoan-proposed | 09:40 |
| seb128 | duflu, thx (and probably let's not wait for Debian to upload to eoan or we will miss ff) | 11:24 |
| duflu | seb128, yeah full speed ahead | 11:24 |
| seb128 | duflu, thx | 11:24 |
| seb128 | duflu, well, for now you should call it a day and enjoy the evening, that can wait tomorrow | 11:25 |
| seb128 | ah, I saw your email now | 11:25 |
| seb128 | thx | 11:25 |
| duflu | seb128, I've done all I can do on that. Not sure if you wanted me to do something with it tomorrow? | 11:26 |
| seb128 | duflu, no, I hadn't read your email yet, I was suggesting that testing it could wait | 11:27 |
| duflu | Yeah, fair point | 11:27 |
| seb128 | but you have done that already, so all good :) | 11:27 |
| seb128 | sounds like a good point to call it a day on a postive note ;) | 11:28 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, I haven't gotten any feedback on my gedit update for debian (https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gedit/merge_requests/2), what's the next step? | 11:30 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, waiting a bit longer, I think it's mostly L_aney and me being active atm and we have been busy (+ 1 had a long w.e as well) | 11:30 |
| duflu | o/ | 11:30 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, the new-GNOME-ppa seems almost ready for upload, hopefully we manage to squeeze some other updates and sponsoring between now and GUADEC, including that one | 11:31 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, ack, thanks! | 11:32 |
| seb128 | np, thx for working on those updates and sorry for the lack of timelined reviews | 11:32 |
| Laney | did we decide to copy all old Unity keybindings? | 11:39 |
| oSoMoN | bah, I had messed that one up, so Laney really did the work, that was not much of a help, sorry about that… | 11:39 |
| Laney | Trevinho has gone away and updaded ubuntu-settings to do that | 11:40 |
| Laney | oSoMoN: it's cool no worries, thanks for helping :-) | 11:40 |
| seb128 | Laney, you mean as default in our Ubuntu/GNOME session? | 11:41 |
| Trevinho | Laney: we were already doing that, but was not complete and missing things... | 11:41 |
| seb128 | I don't remember us discussing it recently | 11:41 |
| Trevinho | I added a commit, can be dropped. but since we were trying this already but wasn't possible for all as per upstream not using arrays of keybindings it was not done. | 11:42 |
| Trevinho | personally I was missing those. Being alternatives and not the only ones I don't see much problems | 11:43 |
| Trevinho | also we had cards about missing things for unity since ever and covered bindings | 11:45 |
| Laney | I'm not the best person to comment, since I thought it was unwise to be trying to do this kind of copying in the first place | 11:55 |
| Laney | was just a bit surprised to see it now is all | 11:56 |
| Trevinho | Laney: yeah I would have loved to have them in by 18.04 but wasn't possible for some and/or lack of time (and memory to do it) | 11:57 |
| seb128 | Laney, Trevinho, let's back out the keybinding changes, land the new GNOME and discuss that with Will once he's back next week | 11:57 |
| seb128 | Laney, can you get gtk to migrate? the onioncircuits regression isn't due to gtk, it's the test depending on python-dogtail which got removed in favor of a python3 version (I poked a bit but the tests need code fixes to work under python3 and now is not the right time for me to spend longer on that) | 13:04 |
| seb128 | (& the ubuntu-release-upgrader/armhf issue is an infra one) | 13:05 |
| seb128 | k, meeting time | 13:30 |
| seb128 | sorry, a bit of cahos again, too much to do before ff :-/ | 13:31 |
| seb128 | #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-20 | 13:31 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Aug 20 13:31:39 2019 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 13:31 |
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| Trevinho | o/ | 13:32 |
| seb128 | we didn't have someone stepping up for creating a rls bugs topic while Will is away | 13:32 |
| seb128 | hopefully we go back to do that next week | 13:32 |
| seb128 | sorry, days are a bit of a struggle atm :/ | 13:32 |
| seb128 | same I didn't manage to review/assign the proposed migration trello cards | 13:32 |
| seb128 | Roll call: didrocks (out), duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine (out), laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) | 13:33 |
| oSoMoN | \o | 13:33 |
| marcustomlinson | hi | 13:33 |
| seb128 | k, let's get started and try to keep it short so we can go back at features landing | 13:33 |
| seb128 | #topic rls-bb-bugs | 13:34 |
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| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 13:34 |
| seb128 | sorry, didn't get to update that oem/key one | 13:34 |
| seb128 | that's if for bionic | 13:34 |
| seb128 | #topic rls-dd-bugs | 13:34 |
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| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 13:34 |
| seb128 | no desktop entry | 13:34 |
| seb128 | #topic rls-ee-bugs | 13:35 |
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| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 13:35 |
| seb128 | no desktop one | 13:35 |
| Trevinho | yay | 13:35 |
| seb128 | k | 13:35 |
| Trevinho | even because they are still waiting the 3.34 mess 😅 | 13:35 |
| seb128 | yeah, we have a stack of accepted ones | 13:36 |
| seb128 | hopefully things are bit easier to review once that lands | 13:36 |
| seb128 | #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | 13:36 |
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| seb128 | Laney, hey, anything you want to cover/discuss during the meeting | 13:36 |
| seb128 | (we have a bunch of backlog in the board that need to be dealt with/assigned, sorry for not getting to it, hopefully after ff) | 13:37 |
| Laney | no, proposed is too bad at the minute in general and there are a load of cards already not assigned | 13:37 |
| Laney | we should help out on that problem if necessary | 13:37 |
| Laney | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/eoan/update_output_notest.txt | 13:37 |
| Laney | looks like even if the test gets fixed that vpx transition needs some stuff | 13:38 |
| seb128 | c_yphermox is looking at ffmpeg/armhf today he said | 13:39 |
| Laney | sure | 13:39 |
| Laney | that link I just gave is ignoring test problems though | 13:39 |
| seb128 | just saying so no-one dup work | 13:39 |
| seb128 | ah, right | 13:40 |
| seb128 | I didn't know about that report! | 13:40 |
| seb128 | so it's basically down to mythtv in the notest? | 13:40 |
| seb128 | mythzoneminder | 13:40 |
| seb128 | which Steve suggested we could demote to proposed temporarly to unblock | 13:41 |
| seb128 | anyway not something to sort out during this meeting | 13:41 |
| seb128 | thx Laney | 13:41 |
| seb128 | #topic AOB | 13:41 |
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| seb128 | other topics? | 13:41 |
| seb128 | I'm a bit stressed by our features/work landing but I don't think there is much we can do differently at this point | 13:42 |
| seb128 | need to unblock vpx, land the GNOME update silo, do the poppler transition, land the new vala | 13:42 |
| seb128 | before thursday, easy :p | 13:42 |
| Laney | why are the last two necessary? | 13:42 |
| Trevinho | on shell side I'm fine, but... If I can help with something else let me know | 13:42 |
| seb128 | Laney, popple has some security fixes and bugfixes I would like to see in | 13:43 |
| Trevinho | I mean shell side should be all green now | 13:43 |
| seb128 | we could so without it, but it's ready and it's not that late | 13:43 |
| seb128 | rdepends also build fine | 13:43 |
| Laney | bugfixes then not feature freeze eh | 13:43 |
| seb128 | so I think it's reasonable to get in | 13:43 |
| seb128 | good point | 13:43 |
| seb128 | I tend to consider soname changes as feature | 13:43 |
| seb128 | but poppler just bump it every time by principle :/ | 13:43 |
| Trevinho | we did one on mutter last cycle at last update... | 13:44 |
| seb128 | that was not strict respect of the freeze imho | 13:44 |
| seb128 | aaaanyway | 13:44 |
| seb128 | other topics for the meeting? | 13:44 |
| seb128 | we can discuss work/things to land still once we have wrapped for those who want | 13:44 |
| seb128 | ah, I had one | 13:45 |
| seb128 | jibel, Laney, did we get anywhere at the end on the daily ISO job/casper/reboot? | 13:45 |
| seb128 | or is that waiting on kernel/foundations at this point? | 13:45 |
| jibel | seb128, waiting on kernel | 13:45 |
| jibel | seb128, no traction at all on that side | 13:46 |
| seb128 | k, thx jibel, I will try to ping them | 13:46 |
| jibel | seb128, mw_hudson looked at casper | 13:46 |
| jibel | and think it can be eliminated from the list of suspects | 13:46 |
| seb128 | k, good | 13:47 |
| seb128 | let's poke on the kernel team side then | 13:47 |
| seb128 | thx jibel | 13:47 |
| seb128 | that's it from me | 13:47 |
| seb128 | others topics? | 13:47 |
| Laney | those squashfs errors are just expected now? | 13:47 |
| Laney | :( | 13:47 |
| seb128 | k, let's wrap, we can discuss that post meeting still | 13:48 |
| seb128 | thanks everyone | 13:48 |
| seb128 | #endmeeting | 13:48 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Aug 20 13:48:42 2019 UTC. | 13:48 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-08-20-13.31.moin.txt | 13:48 |
| Trevinho | Thanks | 13:48 |
| jibel | the squashfs errors are maybe just a red herring and visible because the system doesn't reboot | 13:49 |
| oSoMoN | thanks | 13:49 |
| jibel | or hangs | 13:49 |
| jibel | thanks | 13:49 |
| marcustomlinson | thx | 13:49 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, do you know what's the deal with http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/f/firefox/eoan/armhf ? | 13:51 |
| Laney | jibel: thought you reverted casper and they went away | 13:51 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, no, let me look | 13:51 |
| jibel | Laney, I don't see the failed to unmount message but the system still doesn't reboot which is the real issue | 13:54 |
| Laney | I know, my question a minute ago is if we now have a system which is going to be uncleanly unmounting its filesystems | 13:56 |
| GunnarHj | Good afternoon seb128! Can you please sponsor bug #1731459? Only a patch consisting of an upstream commit, and pre-verified via PPA, so not much to review. | 13:59 |
| ubot5 | bug 1731459 in sane-backends (Ubuntu Disco) "genesys_gl847 scanners produce a black band in scanned images on Ubuntu 17.10+, 18.04 LTS and 18.10 Cosmic cuttlefish" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1731459 | 13:59 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, hey, I'm busy with feature freeze but I had a look when possible (unless someone beats me to it) | 14:00 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Ok. | 14:00 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, no idea what's going on with those firefox eoan/armhf tests, I've kicked off another test run just in case they're flaky, if not I'll dig deeper | 14:06 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, thx | 14:07 |
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| ricotz | seb128, there might be a shotwell 0.30.7 soon | 15:03 |
| ricotz | (0.30.6 doesn't include the vala 0.45.x fixes) | 15:04 |
| Laney | tkamppeter: might want to take https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/commit/2f8a4e90f0fd0f900996e3081d49f8799bba4c6f | 15:39 |
| Laney | I couldn't connect to my wifi after upgrading to eoan due to the bug that fixes | 15:39 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: You were beaten by Gianfranco. :) | 15:39 |
| Laney | thx to upstream for responding basically immediately | 15:39 |
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| Laney | mitya57: got a git commit/tag for mutter ubuntu2? | 16:52 |
| mitya57 | Laney: pushed to wip/3.33 branch | 17:32 |
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