[02:06] <tsimonq2> Laney: indicator-datetime> Agreed, just following what was previously there. :P
[02:06] <tsimonq2> Laney: Perfect time for an epoch, right?!?
[02:06]  * tsimonq2 runs
[06:31] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:41] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:42] <duflu> and back later :)
[06:45] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:06] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:06] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:07] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, t'as passé un bon w.e ?
[07:07] <oSoMoN> très bon week-end, et toi?
[07:08] <seb128> très bien aussi
[07:08] <seb128> :)
[07:13] <seb128> RAOF, hey, so colord... :)
[07:14] <seb128> Trevinho, jamesh, tkamppeter, can you post your week summary on discourse?
[07:14] <RAOF> ...is ready for you to upload 😀
[07:14] <seb128> RAOF, woot! where do I get it from?
[07:14] <seb128> like building from a vcs or do you have the files to dget/debsign/dput?
[07:14] <RAOF> Salsa
[07:14] <seb128> k
[07:15] <seb128> on it!
[07:16] <RAOF> Woot!
[07:31] <marcustomlinson> morning oSoMoN, duflu, seb128, RAOF
[07:31] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you?
[07:32] <marcustomlinson> seb128: pretty good thank you, yourself
[07:32] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[07:32] <seb128> I do wish ff was a bit later though
[07:32] <seb128> busy week
[07:33] <marcustomlinson> indeed
[07:33] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson
[07:33] <marcustomlinson> hey oSoMoN, how was the long weekend?
[07:34] <oSoMoN> really good, I almost forgot what this work thing is about
[07:34] <marcustomlinson> ah so close to achieving true zen
[07:35] <oSoMoN> as zen as can be, surrounded by kids :)
[07:36] <marcustomlinson> :)
[08:00] <Trevinho> morning
[08:01] <Laney> moin
[08:09] <Laney> can't use the official upgraders to upgrade to eoan because the installer created a tiny /boot back when I installed
[08:09] <Laney> /o\
[08:11] <seb128> good morning Laney!
[08:12] <seb128> that sucks :-/
[08:12] <Laney> hey
[08:12] <Laney> yeah
[08:12] <Laney> it's like "make some space"
[08:12] <Laney> but that's not possible
[08:12] <Laney> :(
[08:22] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:22] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you today?
[08:23] <duflu> Oops, scrollback...
[08:23] <duflu> Going OK other than complete failure to sleep and unwellness. You?
[08:23] <duflu> Morning also marcustomlinson and Laney
[08:25] <seb128> :-(
[08:26] <seb128> I'm good, stressing a bit about ff though
[08:26] <seb128> we still didn't upload the new GNOME
[08:26] <seb128> and there are other transitions to get done as well (poppler, vala)
[08:26] <duflu> Yes that's a biggie
[08:26] <seb128> with still the current libvpx one not sorted out
[08:27] <Laney> hey duflu
[08:29] <Laney> gnome's more or less ready
[08:42] <seb128> Laney, what is missing at this point?
[08:46] <Laney> clearing the transition from proposed is really the main thing
[08:46] <Laney> other than that need a final version of dash to dock but that's minor
[08:51] <seb128> that's proposed situation is annoying :-/
[08:51] <seb128> cyphermox said he has an issue about the ffmpeg/armhf issue and was going to deal with it
[08:52] <duflu> seb128, remind me what you prefer to do with merging changelogs?
[08:52] <seb128> but he still didn't, I don't feel like wasting working but redoing the debug/trying to fix it if someone is already on it
[08:52] <seb128> duflu, import the ones from Debian and add a new revision on top which summarize our Delta
[08:52] <seb128> (if that's what you are asking)
[08:53] <duflu> seb128, right but in chronological order, not import order?
[08:53] <duflu> The version order is also out due to epoch in Ubuntu
[08:53] <seb128> hum?
[08:53] <seb128> I think the natual way is to have what is current in Ubuntu
[08:54] <seb128> the new Debian uploads come on top of that
[08:54] <seb128> and then the new ubuntu one
[08:54] <seb128> not that it matters much
[08:54] <duflu> seb128, I mean on top even though they are older than the ones below?
[08:55] <seb128> yes, I think that's ok
[08:55] <duflu> Although it appears I do usually merge branches so maybe ordered by date is more consistent
[08:55] <seb128> whatever works best for you I guess, it doesn't make a bit difference
[08:56] <duflu> Actually chronological makes no sense because it's switching to/from epoch regularly
[08:56] <duflu> OK...
[08:56] <seb128> when not using a vcs I tend to just not merge back old Ubuntu entries and drop them
[08:56] <seb128> and just have the top one summary
[08:56] <seb128> well, alternating versions is fine, depends how you read the changelog
[08:57] <seb128> if that's an order of what happened in Ubuntu then it's right, you have those Ubuntu versions then an import of some debian revisions then back to an ubuntu upload
[09:01] <duflu> I might do it differently again because it seems previously I only kept Ubuntu revs
[09:02] <duflu> I vaguely recall lint complains if you insert the non-epoch Debian revs in the middle
[09:04] <duflu> No, that can't be right either. It's also been done before
[09:05] <seb128> don't waste too much time/energy on the changelog
[09:05] <seb128> what I said work
[09:05] <seb128> take what is currently in Ubuntu, stack the newer Debian entries on top
[09:05] <seb128> and then add a new one/dch -i for the Ubuntu upload
[09:05] <duflu> Or the newest one to avoid ordering confusion. Done
[09:08] <Trevinho> Laney: dash-to-dock is in the PPA, I will do a downstream-but-upstream release in a bit and remove the ~pre from the ppa
[09:09] <Laney> good stuff
[09:27] <duflu> seb128, I am also going to pretend Debian's UNRELEASED version is released. Just wait for it to happen and then will update
[09:29] <duflu> Hmm, maybe I should just not mention that since it's not yet an actual version
[09:40] <duflu> seb128, Done. It builds, it installs. Now for some actual testing (anyone can join in now); https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/log/?h=ubuntu-eoan-proposed
[11:24] <seb128> duflu, thx (and probably let's not wait for Debian to upload to eoan or we will miss ff)
[11:24] <duflu> seb128, yeah full speed ahead
[11:24] <seb128> duflu, thx
[11:25] <seb128> duflu, well, for now you should call it a day and enjoy the evening, that can wait tomorrow
[11:25] <seb128> ah, I saw your email now
[11:25] <seb128> thx
[11:26] <duflu> seb128, I've done all I can do on that. Not sure if you wanted me to do something with it tomorrow?
[11:27] <seb128> duflu, no, I hadn't read your email yet, I was suggesting that testing it could wait
[11:27] <duflu> Yeah, fair point
[11:27] <seb128> but you have done that already, so all good :)
[11:28] <seb128> sounds like a good point to call it a day on a postive note ;)
[11:30] <oSoMoN> seb128, I haven't gotten any feedback on my gedit update for debian (https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gedit/merge_requests/2), what's the next step?
[11:30] <seb128> oSoMoN, waiting a bit longer, I think it's mostly L_aney and me being active atm and we have been busy (+ 1 had a long w.e as well)
[11:30] <duflu> o/
[11:31] <seb128> oSoMoN, the new-GNOME-ppa seems almost ready for upload, hopefully we manage to squeeze some other updates and sponsoring between now and GUADEC, including that one
[11:32] <oSoMoN> seb128, ack, thanks!
[11:32] <seb128> np, thx for working on those updates and sorry for the lack of timelined reviews
[11:39] <Laney> did we decide to copy all old Unity keybindings?
[11:39] <oSoMoN> bah, I had messed that one up, so Laney really did the work, that was not much of a help, sorry about that…
[11:40] <Laney> Trevinho has gone away and updaded ubuntu-settings to do that
[11:40] <Laney> oSoMoN: it's cool no worries, thanks for helping :-)
[11:41] <seb128> Laney, you mean as default in our Ubuntu/GNOME session?
[11:41] <Trevinho> Laney: we were already doing that, but was not complete and missing things...
[11:41] <seb128> I don't remember us discussing it recently
[11:42] <Trevinho> I added a commit, can be dropped. but since we were trying this already but wasn't possible for all as per upstream not using arrays of keybindings it was not done.
[11:43] <Trevinho> personally I was missing those. Being alternatives and not the only ones I don't see much problems
[11:45] <Trevinho> also we had cards about missing things for unity since ever and covered bindings
[11:55] <Laney> I'm not the best person to comment, since I thought it was unwise to be trying to do this kind of copying in the first place
[11:56] <Laney> was just a bit surprised to see it now is all
[11:57] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah I would have loved to have them in by 18.04 but wasn't possible for some and/or lack of time (and memory to do it)
[11:57] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho, let's back out the keybinding changes, land the new GNOME and discuss that with Will once he's back next week
[13:04] <seb128> Laney, can you get gtk to migrate? the onioncircuits regression isn't due to gtk, it's the test depending on python-dogtail which got removed in favor of a python3 version (I poked a bit but the tests need code fixes to work under python3 and now is not the right time for me to spend longer on that)
[13:05] <seb128> (& the ubuntu-release-upgrader/armhf issue is an infra one)
[13:30] <seb128> k, meeting time
[13:31] <seb128> sorry, a bit of cahos again, too much to do before ff :-/
[13:31] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-20
[13:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 20 13:31:39 2019 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:32] <Trevinho> o/
[13:32] <seb128> we didn't have someone stepping up for creating a rls bugs topic while Will is away
[13:32] <seb128> hopefully we go back to do that next week
[13:32] <seb128> sorry, days are a bit of a struggle atm :/
[13:32] <seb128> same I didn't manage to review/assign the proposed migration trello cards
[13:33] <seb128> Roll call: didrocks (out), duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine (out), laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:33] <oSoMoN> \o
[13:33] <marcustomlinson> hi
[13:33] <seb128> k, let's get started and try to keep it short so we can go back at features landing
[13:34] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[13:34] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:34] <seb128> sorry, didn't get to update that oem/key one
[13:34] <seb128> that's if for bionic
[13:34] <seb128> #topic rls-dd-bugs
[13:34] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:34] <seb128> no desktop entry
[13:35] <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs
[13:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:35] <seb128> no desktop one
[13:35] <Trevinho> yay
[13:35] <seb128> k
[13:35] <Trevinho> even because they are still waiting the 3.34 mess 😅
[13:36] <seb128> yeah, we have a stack of accepted ones
[13:36] <seb128> hopefully things are bit easier to review once that lands
[13:36] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:36] <seb128> Laney, hey, anything you want to cover/discuss during the meeting
[13:37] <seb128> (we have a bunch of backlog in the board that need to be dealt with/assigned, sorry for not getting to it, hopefully after ff)
[13:37] <Laney> no, proposed is too bad at the minute in general and there are a load of cards already not assigned
[13:37] <Laney> we should help out on that problem if necessary
[13:37] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/eoan/update_output_notest.txt
[13:38] <Laney> looks like even if the test gets fixed that vpx transition needs some stuff
[13:39] <seb128> c_yphermox is looking at ffmpeg/armhf today he said
[13:39] <Laney> sure
[13:39] <Laney> that link I just gave is ignoring test problems though
[13:39] <seb128> just saying so no-one dup work
[13:40] <seb128> ah, right
[13:40] <seb128> I didn't know about that report!
[13:40] <seb128> so it's basically down to mythtv in the notest?
[13:40] <seb128> mythzoneminder
[13:41] <seb128> which Steve suggested we could demote to proposed temporarly to unblock
[13:41] <seb128> anyway not something to sort out during this meeting
[13:41] <seb128> thx Laney
[13:41] <seb128> #topic AOB
[13:41] <seb128> other topics?
[13:42] <seb128> I'm a bit stressed by our features/work landing but I don't think there is much we can do differently at this point
[13:42] <seb128> need to unblock vpx, land the GNOME update silo, do the poppler transition, land the new vala
[13:42] <seb128> before thursday, easy :p
[13:42] <Laney> why are the last two necessary?
[13:42] <Trevinho> on shell side I'm fine, but... If I can help with something else let me know
[13:43] <seb128> Laney, popple has some security fixes and bugfixes I would like to see in
[13:43] <Trevinho> I mean shell side should be all green now
[13:43] <seb128> we could so without it, but it's ready and it's not that late
[13:43] <seb128> rdepends also build fine
[13:43] <Laney> bugfixes then not feature freeze eh
[13:43] <seb128> so I think it's reasonable to get in
[13:43] <seb128> good point
[13:43] <seb128> I tend to consider soname changes as feature
[13:43] <seb128> but poppler just bump it every time by principle :/
[13:44] <Trevinho> we did one on mutter last cycle at last update...
[13:44] <seb128> that was not strict respect of the freeze imho
[13:44] <seb128> aaaanyway
[13:44] <seb128> other topics for the meeting?
[13:44] <seb128> we can discuss work/things to land still once we have wrapped for those who want
[13:45] <seb128> ah, I had one
[13:45] <seb128> jibel, Laney, did we get anywhere at the end on the daily ISO job/casper/reboot?
[13:45] <seb128> or is that waiting on kernel/foundations at this point?
[13:45] <jibel> seb128, waiting on kernel
[13:46] <jibel> seb128, no traction at all on that side
[13:46] <seb128> k, thx jibel, I will try to ping them
[13:46] <jibel> seb128, mw_hudson looked at casper
[13:46] <jibel> and think it can be eliminated from the list of suspects
[13:47] <seb128> k, good
[13:47] <seb128> let's poke on the kernel team side then
[13:47] <seb128> thx jibel
[13:47] <seb128> that's it from me
[13:47] <seb128> others topics?
[13:47] <Laney> those squashfs errors are just expected now?
[13:47] <Laney> :(
[13:48] <seb128> k, let's wrap, we can discuss that post meeting still
[13:48] <seb128> thanks everyone
[13:48] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 20 13:48:42 2019 UTC.
[13:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-08-20-13.31.moin.txt
[13:48] <Trevinho> Thanks
[13:49] <jibel> the squashfs errors are maybe just a red herring and visible because the system doesn't reboot
[13:49] <oSoMoN> thanks
[13:49] <jibel> or hangs
[13:49] <jibel> thanks
[13:49] <marcustomlinson> thx
[13:51] <seb128> oSoMoN, do you know what's the deal with http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/f/firefox/eoan/armhf ?
[13:51] <Laney> jibel: thought you reverted casper and they went away
[13:51] <oSoMoN> seb128, no, let me look
[13:54] <jibel> Laney, I don't see the failed to unmount message but the system still doesn't reboot which is the real issue
[13:56] <Laney> I know, my question a minute ago is if we now have a system which is going to be uncleanly unmounting its filesystems
[13:59] <GunnarHj> Good afternoon seb128! Can you please sponsor bug #1731459? Only a patch consisting of an upstream commit, and pre-verified via PPA, so not much to review.
[14:00] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, I'm busy with feature freeze but I had a look when possible (unless someone beats me to it)
[14:00] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok.
[14:06] <oSoMoN> seb128, no idea what's going on with those firefox eoan/armhf tests, I've kicked off another test run just in case they're flaky, if not I'll dig deeper
[14:07] <seb128> oSoMoN, thx
[15:03] <ricotz> seb128, there might be a shotwell 0.30.7 soon
[15:04] <ricotz> (0.30.6 doesn't include the vala 0.45.x fixes)
[15:39] <Laney> tkamppeter: might want to take https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/commit/2f8a4e90f0fd0f900996e3081d49f8799bba4c6f
[15:39] <Laney> I couldn't connect to my wifi after upgrading to eoan due to the bug that fixes
[15:39] <GunnarHj> seb128: You were beaten by Gianfranco. :)
[15:39] <Laney> thx to upstream for responding basically immediately
[16:52] <Laney> mitya57: got a git commit/tag for mutter ubuntu2?
[17:32] <mitya57> Laney: pushed to wip/3.33 branch