[02:06] Laney: indicator-datetime> Agreed, just following what was previously there. :P [02:06] Laney: Perfect time for an epoch, right?!? [02:06] * tsimonq2 runs [06:31] good morning desktoppers [06:41] Morning oSoMoN [06:42] and back later :) [06:45] hey duflu === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski [07:06] goood morning desktopers [07:06] salut seb128 [07:07] lut oSoMoN, t'as passé un bon w.e ? [07:07] très bon week-end, et toi? [07:08] très bien aussi [07:08] :) [07:13] RAOF, hey, so colord... :) [07:14] Trevinho, jamesh, tkamppeter, can you post your week summary on discourse? [07:14] ...is ready for you to upload 😀 [07:14] RAOF, woot! where do I get it from? [07:14] like building from a vcs or do you have the files to dget/debsign/dput? [07:14] Salsa [07:14] k [07:15] on it! [07:16] Woot! [07:31] morning oSoMoN, duflu, seb128, RAOF [07:31] hey marcustomlinson, how are you? [07:32] seb128: pretty good thank you, yourself [07:32] I'm good thanks! [07:32] I do wish ff was a bit later though [07:32] busy week [07:33] indeed [07:33] good morning marcustomlinson [07:33] hey oSoMoN, how was the long weekend? [07:34] really good, I almost forgot what this work thing is about [07:34] ah so close to achieving true zen [07:35] as zen as can be, surrounded by kids :) [07:36] :) [08:00] morning [08:01] moin [08:09] can't use the official upgraders to upgrade to eoan because the installer created a tiny /boot back when I installed [08:09] /o\ [08:11] good morning Laney! [08:12] that sucks :-/ [08:12] hey [08:12] yeah [08:12] it's like "make some space" [08:12] but that's not possible [08:12] :( [08:22] Morning seb128 [08:22] hey duflu, how are you today? [08:23] Oops, scrollback... [08:23] Going OK other than complete failure to sleep and unwellness. You? [08:23] Morning also marcustomlinson and Laney [08:25] :-( [08:26] I'm good, stressing a bit about ff though [08:26] we still didn't upload the new GNOME [08:26] and there are other transitions to get done as well (poppler, vala) [08:26] Yes that's a biggie [08:26] with still the current libvpx one not sorted out [08:27] hey duflu [08:29] gnome's more or less ready [08:42] Laney, what is missing at this point? [08:46] clearing the transition from proposed is really the main thing [08:46] other than that need a final version of dash to dock but that's minor [08:51] that's proposed situation is annoying :-/ [08:51] cyphermox said he has an issue about the ffmpeg/armhf issue and was going to deal with it [08:52] seb128, remind me what you prefer to do with merging changelogs? [08:52] but he still didn't, I don't feel like wasting working but redoing the debug/trying to fix it if someone is already on it [08:52] duflu, import the ones from Debian and add a new revision on top which summarize our Delta [08:52] (if that's what you are asking) [08:53] seb128, right but in chronological order, not import order? [08:53] The version order is also out due to epoch in Ubuntu [08:53] hum? [08:53] I think the natual way is to have what is current in Ubuntu [08:54] the new Debian uploads come on top of that [08:54] and then the new ubuntu one [08:54] not that it matters much [08:54] seb128, I mean on top even though they are older than the ones below? [08:55] yes, I think that's ok [08:55] Although it appears I do usually merge branches so maybe ordered by date is more consistent [08:55] whatever works best for you I guess, it doesn't make a bit difference [08:56] Actually chronological makes no sense because it's switching to/from epoch regularly [08:56] OK... [08:56] when not using a vcs I tend to just not merge back old Ubuntu entries and drop them [08:56] and just have the top one summary [08:56] well, alternating versions is fine, depends how you read the changelog [08:57] if that's an order of what happened in Ubuntu then it's right, you have those Ubuntu versions then an import of some debian revisions then back to an ubuntu upload [09:01] I might do it differently again because it seems previously I only kept Ubuntu revs [09:02] I vaguely recall lint complains if you insert the non-epoch Debian revs in the middle [09:04] No, that can't be right either. It's also been done before [09:05] don't waste too much time/energy on the changelog [09:05] what I said work [09:05] take what is currently in Ubuntu, stack the newer Debian entries on top [09:05] and then add a new one/dch -i for the Ubuntu upload [09:05] Or the newest one to avoid ordering confusion. Done [09:08] Laney: dash-to-dock is in the PPA, I will do a downstream-but-upstream release in a bit and remove the ~pre from the ppa [09:09] good stuff [09:27] seb128, I am also going to pretend Debian's UNRELEASED version is released. Just wait for it to happen and then will update [09:29] Hmm, maybe I should just not mention that since it's not yet an actual version [09:40] seb128, Done. It builds, it installs. Now for some actual testing (anyone can join in now); https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/log/?h=ubuntu-eoan-proposed [11:24] duflu, thx (and probably let's not wait for Debian to upload to eoan or we will miss ff) [11:24] seb128, yeah full speed ahead [11:24] duflu, thx [11:25] duflu, well, for now you should call it a day and enjoy the evening, that can wait tomorrow [11:25] ah, I saw your email now [11:25] thx [11:26] seb128, I've done all I can do on that. Not sure if you wanted me to do something with it tomorrow? [11:27] duflu, no, I hadn't read your email yet, I was suggesting that testing it could wait [11:27] Yeah, fair point [11:27] but you have done that already, so all good :) [11:28] sounds like a good point to call it a day on a postive note ;) [11:30] seb128, I haven't gotten any feedback on my gedit update for debian (https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gedit/merge_requests/2), what's the next step? [11:30] oSoMoN, waiting a bit longer, I think it's mostly L_aney and me being active atm and we have been busy (+ 1 had a long w.e as well) [11:30] o/ [11:31] oSoMoN, the new-GNOME-ppa seems almost ready for upload, hopefully we manage to squeeze some other updates and sponsoring between now and GUADEC, including that one [11:32] seb128, ack, thanks! [11:32] np, thx for working on those updates and sorry for the lack of timelined reviews [11:39] did we decide to copy all old Unity keybindings? [11:39] bah, I had messed that one up, so Laney really did the work, that was not much of a help, sorry about that… [11:40] Trevinho has gone away and updaded ubuntu-settings to do that [11:40] oSoMoN: it's cool no worries, thanks for helping :-) [11:41] Laney, you mean as default in our Ubuntu/GNOME session? [11:41] Laney: we were already doing that, but was not complete and missing things... [11:41] I don't remember us discussing it recently [11:42] I added a commit, can be dropped. but since we were trying this already but wasn't possible for all as per upstream not using arrays of keybindings it was not done. [11:43] personally I was missing those. Being alternatives and not the only ones I don't see much problems [11:45] also we had cards about missing things for unity since ever and covered bindings [11:55] I'm not the best person to comment, since I thought it was unwise to be trying to do this kind of copying in the first place [11:56] was just a bit surprised to see it now is all [11:57] Laney: yeah I would have loved to have them in by 18.04 but wasn't possible for some and/or lack of time (and memory to do it) [11:57] Laney, Trevinho, let's back out the keybinding changes, land the new GNOME and discuss that with Will once he's back next week [13:04] Laney, can you get gtk to migrate? the onioncircuits regression isn't due to gtk, it's the test depending on python-dogtail which got removed in favor of a python3 version (I poked a bit but the tests need code fixes to work under python3 and now is not the right time for me to spend longer on that) [13:05] (& the ubuntu-release-upgrader/armhf issue is an infra one) [13:30] k, meeting time [13:31] sorry, a bit of cahos again, too much to do before ff :-/ [13:31] #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-20 [13:31] Meeting started Tue Aug 20 13:31:39 2019 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [13:31] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-20 | Current topic: [13:32] o/ [13:32] we didn't have someone stepping up for creating a rls bugs topic while Will is away [13:32] hopefully we go back to do that next week [13:32] sorry, days are a bit of a struggle atm :/ [13:32] same I didn't manage to review/assign the proposed migration trello cards [13:33] Roll call: didrocks (out), duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine (out), laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [13:33] \o [13:33] hi [13:33] k, let's get started and try to keep it short so we can go back at features landing [13:34] #topic rls-bb-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-20 | Current topic: rls-bb-bugs [13:34] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:34] sorry, didn't get to update that oem/key one [13:34] that's if for bionic [13:34] #topic rls-dd-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-20 | Current topic: rls-dd-bugs [13:34] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:34] no desktop entry [13:35] #topic rls-ee-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-20 | Current topic: rls-ee-bugs [13:35] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:35] no desktop one [13:35] yay [13:35] k [13:35] even because they are still waiting the 3.34 mess 😅 [13:36] yeah, we have a stack of accepted ones [13:36] hopefully things are bit easier to review once that lands [13:36] #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-20 | Current topic: update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [13:36] Laney, hey, anything you want to cover/discuss during the meeting [13:37] (we have a bunch of backlog in the board that need to be dealt with/assigned, sorry for not getting to it, hopefully after ff) [13:37] no, proposed is too bad at the minute in general and there are a load of cards already not assigned [13:37] we should help out on that problem if necessary [13:37] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/eoan/update_output_notest.txt [13:38] looks like even if the test gets fixed that vpx transition needs some stuff [13:39] c_yphermox is looking at ffmpeg/armhf today he said [13:39] sure [13:39] that link I just gave is ignoring test problems though [13:39] just saying so no-one dup work [13:40] ah, right [13:40] I didn't know about that report! [13:40] so it's basically down to mythtv in the notest? [13:40] mythzoneminder [13:41] which Steve suggested we could demote to proposed temporarly to unblock [13:41] anyway not something to sort out during this meeting [13:41] thx Laney [13:41] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle | Desktop Team Meeting 2019-08-20 | Current topic: AOB [13:41] other topics? [13:42] I'm a bit stressed by our features/work landing but I don't think there is much we can do differently at this point [13:42] need to unblock vpx, land the GNOME update silo, do the poppler transition, land the new vala [13:42] before thursday, easy :p [13:42] why are the last two necessary? [13:42] on shell side I'm fine, but... If I can help with something else let me know [13:43] Laney, popple has some security fixes and bugfixes I would like to see in [13:43] I mean shell side should be all green now [13:43] we could so without it, but it's ready and it's not that late [13:43] rdepends also build fine [13:43] bugfixes then not feature freeze eh [13:43] so I think it's reasonable to get in [13:43] good point [13:43] I tend to consider soname changes as feature [13:43] but poppler just bump it every time by principle :/ [13:44] we did one on mutter last cycle at last update... [13:44] that was not strict respect of the freeze imho [13:44] aaaanyway [13:44] other topics for the meeting? [13:44] we can discuss work/things to land still once we have wrapped for those who want [13:45] ah, I had one [13:45] jibel, Laney, did we get anywhere at the end on the daily ISO job/casper/reboot? [13:45] or is that waiting on kernel/foundations at this point? [13:45] seb128, waiting on kernel [13:46] seb128, no traction at all on that side [13:46] k, thx jibel, I will try to ping them [13:46] seb128, mw_hudson looked at casper [13:46] and think it can be eliminated from the list of suspects [13:47] k, good [13:47] let's poke on the kernel team side then [13:47] thx jibel [13:47] that's it from me [13:47] others topics? [13:47] those squashfs errors are just expected now? [13:47] :( [13:48] k, let's wrap, we can discuss that post meeting still [13:48] thanks everyone [13:48] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910-cycle [13:48] Meeting ended Tue Aug 20 13:48:42 2019 UTC. [13:48] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-08-20-13.31.moin.txt [13:48] Thanks [13:49] the squashfs errors are maybe just a red herring and visible because the system doesn't reboot [13:49] thanks [13:49] or hangs [13:49] thanks [13:49] thx [13:51] oSoMoN, do you know what's the deal with http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/f/firefox/eoan/armhf ? [13:51] jibel: thought you reverted casper and they went away [13:51] seb128, no, let me look [13:54] Laney, I don't see the failed to unmount message but the system still doesn't reboot which is the real issue [13:56] I know, my question a minute ago is if we now have a system which is going to be uncleanly unmounting its filesystems [13:59] Good afternoon seb128! Can you please sponsor bug #1731459? Only a patch consisting of an upstream commit, and pre-verified via PPA, so not much to review. [13:59] bug 1731459 in sane-backends (Ubuntu Disco) "genesys_gl847 scanners produce a black band in scanned images on Ubuntu 17.10+, 18.04 LTS and 18.10 Cosmic cuttlefish" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1731459 [14:00] GunnarHj, hey, I'm busy with feature freeze but I had a look when possible (unless someone beats me to it) [14:00] seb128: Ok. [14:06] seb128, no idea what's going on with those firefox eoan/armhf tests, I've kicked off another test run just in case they're flaky, if not I'll dig deeper [14:07] oSoMoN, thx === cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer [15:03] seb128, there might be a shotwell 0.30.7 soon [15:04] (0.30.6 doesn't include the vala 0.45.x fixes) [15:39] tkamppeter: might want to take https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/commit/2f8a4e90f0fd0f900996e3081d49f8799bba4c6f [15:39] I couldn't connect to my wifi after upgrading to eoan due to the bug that fixes [15:39] seb128: You were beaten by Gianfranco. :) [15:39] thx to upstream for responding basically immediately === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|afk [16:52] mitya57: got a git commit/tag for mutter ubuntu2? [17:32] Laney: pushed to wip/3.33 branch