[05:29] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[05:52] <duflu> Morning seb128
[05:52] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[05:53] <duflu> seb128, the world is crazy. Sometimes everyone wants to phone and text you at the same time.
[05:53] <duflu> But work's fine
[05:53] <duflu> How are you seb128?
[05:54] <seb128> I'm good !
[06:02] <seb128> k, time for morning errands, bbiab
[06:14] <duflu> ditto
[06:30] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:34] <RAOF> Ooops. Time to get a newer Mir in Eoan before FF!
[07:00] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:01] <duflu> and morning-ish RAOF
[07:01] <RAOF> Good afternoon duflu1
[07:01] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, RAOF
[07:08] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128
[07:08] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[07:09] <oSoMoN> seb128, peu dormi, mais bien, donc plutôt en forme. Et toi?
[07:09] <seb128> moi ça va !
[07:09] <seb128> ff - 1 day
[07:09] <seb128> still didn't land the new GNOME :-/
[07:10] <oSoMoN> pressure building up… can I help with testing or anything else?
[07:11] <seb128> I don't think so, from what I understood L_aney wanted other transitions to clear out of proposed before uploading which is what is blocking at this point
[07:12] <seb128> there is quite some blocked in proposed/autopkgtest issues atm though, newer glib doesn't help there
[07:13] <seb128> oSoMoN, one thing that contributes to the issue is the firefox/armhf situation, it's on the blocker list for glib or gdk-pixbuf to migrate, but I think it's safe to assume it's not those and ask for a skip?
[07:14] <oSoMoN> seb128, I think that's a safe assumption, but I'm digging into it regardless
[07:14] <seb128> there is something weird though, http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/f/firefox/eoan/armhf shows that usually the test takes like 15min
[07:14] <seb128> so it seems a real lock/problem
[07:14] <seb128> thx
[07:29] <marcustomlinson> morning all
[07:29] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[07:30] <duflu> Hey oSoMoN, I finally got around to trying out Firefox's hidden Xinput2 support.
[07:30] <duflu> It actually doesn't work that well
[07:30] <duflu> So no rush
[07:30] <duflu> I'd recommend Chromium instead, where it's on by default already
[07:31] <oSoMoN> ack, thanks duflu
[07:31] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson
[07:32] <marcustomlinson> hey duflu, oSoMoN and seb128
[07:35] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you?
[07:36] <marcustomlinson> seb128: I'm good thanks. I see in the scrollback that you are too ;)
[07:41] <seb128> :-)
[07:42] <duflu> 🔮
[07:49] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128, I'm back about sane-backends. Any chance you can override the autopkgtest regression:
[07:49] <GunnarHj> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#sane-backends
[07:49] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, sorry but no, you need #ubuntu-release for that
[07:50] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, didn't know that.
[07:51] <seb128> GunnarHj, also you will need to explain them why it's valid to skip and isn't a real issue/something to fix
[07:52] <GunnarHj> seb128: Given all the overrides already there, I kind of assumed it would be a formality.
[07:52] <seb128> let's ask and see what they say
[07:52] <seb128> bah, stupid laptop battery is flat again
[07:52] <GunnarHj> Right.
[07:52] <seb128> bbiab
[08:01] <Laney> oi
[08:04] <duflu> oi Laney
[08:06] <oSoMoN> oi Laney
[08:13] <duflu> We are so punk :P
[08:17] <Laney> :>
[08:17] <seb128> k, back now
[08:17] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:29] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:30] <Laney> doing alright thanks
[08:30] <Laney> what about you?
[08:33] <seb128> I'm fine, stressed about ff and things not being in shape and about trevelling though :/
[08:34]  * Laney pats seb128 
[08:35] <Laney> If we can't push it before feature freeze I'm just going to mail ubuntu-release and say that it's because of instability in -proposed, and it'll happen when it can happen
[08:35] <Laney> speaking about gnome, not other stuff
[08:38] <seb128> right
[08:38] <seb128> we still have a stack of GNOME components not on their current serie
[08:38] <seb128> and having a landing while we are at GUADEC/travelling and no-one is really around to sort out things sucks
[08:39] <seb128> oh well, not much we can do at this point
[08:39] <seb128> we screwed up but I'm unsure what we should have done differently :-/
[08:41] <Laney> you can beat yourself up if you want but I'm not going to do that
[08:41] <Laney> started earlier probably
[08:41] <Laney> had more people
[08:42] <seb128> it's not a matter of beating anyone up, the situation is just creating me stress for some days at a point I didn't sleep well and was up at 6am this morning
[08:42] <seb128> so I would prefer to learn to do better and avoid that stress in the futur
[08:43] <seb128> anyway, it's probably my problem, sorry for mentioning it here
[08:44] <Trevinho> morning
[08:45] <duflu> Morning Trevinho. Thanks for the merge
[08:45] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[08:45] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, I noticed we are some versions behind on vulkan-loader , is that something we should update before ff?
[08:45] <oSoMoN> seb128, if we're late it's not just your problem, it's a team thing, and the stress seems to be a direct consequence of it, so fixing the former for future releases should fix the latter
[08:45] <Trevinho> duflu: np
[08:45] <oSoMoN> good morning Trevinho
[08:45] <Trevinho> seb128: hi all good, preparing for guadec a bit
[08:47] <seb128> oSoMoN, right, let's see and discuss about it in Paris. I'm a bit concerned that other just dismiss it as non an issue which means maybe don't see the need to do differently/better next time
[08:47] <tjaalton> seb128: we have the latest, 1.1.114.0-1
[08:47] <seb128> anyway, not a discuss for here/today
[08:47] <seb128> tjaalton, https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Loader/releases
[08:48] <tjaalton> look at sdk-* tags
[08:48] <tjaalton> those are the actual releases
[08:48] <seb128> tjaalton, ah ok, I need to fix the version tracking then :)
[08:49] <seb128> tjaalton, thx
[08:49] <oSoMoN> seb128, ack, let's discuss this in Paris and come up with a plan to do it better next time
[08:50] <tjaalton> also, vulkan-validationlayers for that release still doesn't build
[08:50] <seb128> oSoMoN, thx for caring :)
[08:50] <tjaalton> they depend on snapshots of glslang/spirv and then a newer release might break something
[08:50] <tjaalton> which kinda sucks
[08:50] <Laney> seb128: am I "others" here? I think you can highlight and talk with me if you think I'm doing something badly.
[08:51] <Laney> For the record, I am not dismissing what you're saying and I'm sorry it came across like that.
[08:51] <seb128> Laney, no, I was not directly referring to you with that use of 'others', I think it's a collective thing
[08:51] <seb128> Marco is at least as relax as you are about being late
[08:52] <seb128> Laney, thx for saying that :)
[08:52] <Laney> I've done as much, as fast, and as well as I can, so to me that helps me to not feel stressed about what I've done here.
[08:52] <Laney> That's not to say that we couldn't do anything better next time.
[08:53] <Laney> But if I start feeling anxious about the situation then it wouldn't result in a better result right now.
[08:56] <seb128> right
[08:56] <seb128> as long as we collectively realize that the situation is not great and that we should to do better next time I'm fine
[08:57] <seb128> we need to acknowledge that there is room for improvements and take some time to figure out what didn't work/why so we can try to address those issues and do better next time
[08:59] <Trevinho> seb128: considering how upstream changed things so late and that we need to wait on those, I don't think we could have down much better. starting earlier wasn't changing much in some cases as thing landed at the end upstream anyways. Like all the changes to app icons in shell that needed other changes to d2d. Anyways shell stack on my side is ready since end of last week. so I'm happy to help with other things that are waiting.
[09:01] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks, and indeed the shell late changes always make for a challenge :/
[09:02] <seb128> Trevinho, I think we are mostly ready now as you said so nothing specific, unless you want to work on "standard packaging updates"
[09:03] <Trevinho> I can do those too... but still need sponsoring so this is in some cases could still be slower than one of you doing the job directly
[09:04] <seb128> yeah, unless there are patches to rebase and such
[09:04] <Trevinho> but in any case feel free to assign me other stuff if it can help in speeding up / remove job to other team members
[09:04] <seb128> Laney, do you need help on some for e.g patches rebasing? like gnome-control-center?
[09:04] <Laney> that one is done
[09:04] <Laney> all of the most important packages are done I think
[09:04] <Laney> it's more leaf stuff now
[09:04] <Laney> check https://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.34-status.html
[09:05] <seb128> empty page for me?
[09:05] <Trevinho> same
[09:05] <seb128> there is gvfs / gnome-terminal /vte still todo I think
[09:06] <Laney> probably regenerating
[09:06] <seb128> gnome-online-accounts
[09:06] <Laney> thanks :p I refreshed and it disappeared
[09:06] <seb128> gnome-initial-setup
[09:06] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ want to pick one of those and do it on salsa?
[09:08] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, will finish some gnome things I'm on and work on those after lunch, is it OK?
[09:08] <seb128> also should we sync gjs 1.57.90?
[09:08] <seb128> Trevinho, wfm, please state which one you do so we avoid conflicts
[09:08] <Trevinho> ah gjs would be better yes
[09:08] <Laney> I'm building gjs
[09:08] <Laney> already
[09:09] <Trevinho> ❤️
[09:18] <seb128> duflu, what's the deal with the pulseaudio update vcs, did you push your work somewhere?
[09:19] <duflu> seb128, it's in the branch I sent you yesterday, not the maintenance branches yet
[09:19] <duflu> For safety and accuracy
[09:19] <duflu> seb128, if you like I can just point 'ubuntu' at it
[09:19] <duflu> and commit to it
[09:19] <seb128> duflu, ah right, sorry I was looking for the email but though you had a ppa
[09:20] <seb128> duflu, yes, please push to the main vcs
[09:20] <seb128> I'm going to upload to eoan
[09:20] <seb128> I can tag/commit the upload entry then
[09:22] <duflu> seb128, done
[09:22] <seb128> duflu, thx!
[09:23] <duflu> I didn't do a PPA because I figured eoan-proposed is the same
[09:23] <duflu> level of maturity
[09:23] <seb128> yeah
[09:24] <duflu> seb128, this main page is handy to refer to: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio
[09:24] <seb128> right
[09:35] <mantiena-baltix> Hi
[09:38] <mantiena-baltix> ricotz, I've noticed, that LibreOffice packages in ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-6-2 are outdated and has security issues - LO 6.2.6 with fixed CVE-2019-9852 was uploaded to Ubuntu archive a week ago, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.2.6-0ubuntu0.19.04.1
[09:40] <ricotz> mantiena-baltix, it is on my todo list
[09:42] <mantiena-baltix> Thanks, I'm building new release of Ubuntu-based distribution for Lithuanian schools and it's very important to us to have latest LibreOffice 6.2 release in ISO image, could you upload LibreOffice 6.2.6 to PPA today?
[09:42] <mantiena-baltix> ricotz,  I'm building new release of Ubuntu-based distribution for Lithuanian schools and it's very important to us to have latest LibreOffice 6.2 release in ISO image, could you upload LibreOffice 6.2.6 to PPA today?
[09:42] <mantiena-baltix> or tonight ;)
[09:43] <ricotz> mantiena-baltix, I might get to it this afternoon or evening
[09:43] <mantiena-baltix> thank you very much
[10:30] <Laney> tkamppeter: did you see my ping yesterday about a network-manager cherry-pick?
[10:41] <mantiena-baltix> mdeslaur, Hi, I've noticed LibreOffice 6.2.6 for Ubuntu 19.04 in ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-6-2 , will you upload 6.2.6 packages for 18.04 (Bionic) today?
[10:42] <Laney> bloop
[10:42] <Laney> gvfs depends on a new libfuse3 which is universe
[10:42] <seb128> :-(
[10:43] <seb128> might be easier to revert that change/commit temporarly?
[10:46] <Laney> probably
[11:02] <mdeslaur> mantiena-baltix: I don't take care of libreoffice, ask marcustomlinson
[11:05] <mantiena-baltix> mdeslaur, sorry, I just see you name (Marc Deslauriers) in  "Uploaded by" column next to  libreoffice 6.2.6-0ubuntu0.19.04
[11:07] <marcustomlinson> mantiena-baltix: 6.2.6 will not be released to Bionic, we maintain the 6.0 series there
[11:10] <mantiena-baltix> marcustomlinson: I'm asking about ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-6-2 , Rico Tzschichholz told me, that he will upload 6.2.6 packages into PPA, but one hour ago I've noticed upload by Marc Deslauriers  :)
[11:10] <marcustomlinson> mantiena-baltix: ah ok :)
[11:12] <mantiena-baltix> marcustomlinson but I still don't understand why Ubuntu doesn't update LibreOffice packages to officially supported series and users very old unsupported LibreOffice in LTS releases
[11:13] <marcustomlinson> mantiena-baltix: they are supported. By me ;)
[11:14] <ricotz> marcustomlinson, as I said I will get to it
[11:14] <ricotz> mantiena-baltix, ^
[11:14] <ricotz> marcustomlinson, sorry
[11:16] <ricotz> mantiena-baltix, regarding the 6.2.6 package in the 6-2 ppa, look at the "Copied by" information
[11:16] <ricotz> marcustomlinson, hi, do you want to sync git with those security uploads?
[11:17] <marcustomlinson> ricotz: ah good point, will do now
[11:17] <ricotz> thx
[11:17] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[11:19] <mantiena-baltix> marcustomlinson: 6.0.7 has lots of bugs with MS Office formats, they are fixed in 6.1.x and 6.2.x series, also VLOOKUP performance is terrible in 6.0, see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.1#VLOOKUP_performance
[11:19] <mantiena-baltix> ricotz, thanks for info
[11:20] <marcustomlinson> ricotz: k done
[11:23] <marcustomlinson> mantiena-baltix: If some newer features are vitally important to you, you could install the snap which is always the latest and greatest
[11:26] <mantiena-baltix> marcustomlinson: snap is not an option for 500 pretty old computers it schools and other places I support, so, I'm using packages from https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-6-2 :)
[11:26] <mantiena-baltix> s/it/in
[11:26] <marcustomlinson> mantiena-baltix: awesome, good stuff
[11:27] <marcustomlinson> thanks ricotz ;)
[11:30] <Laney> oSoMoN: might not be a priority for you, but I can't start chromium (snap) on wayland any more with gnome 3.33
[11:30] <Laney> can't open the X display it seems
[11:31] <mantiena-baltix> marcustomlinson, but I still doen't undertart why Ubuntu developers don't want to upload latest stable LibreOffice branch into LTS releases. For example Firefox in Ubuntu LTS is always up to date, it would be nice to have the same with LibreOffice, especially when LibreOffice developers always declare which branch is ready for enterprise use, see l
[11:31] <mantiena-baltix> ibreoffice.org/download
[11:34] <ricotz> firefox is doing a good job to support older toolchains, libreoffice is different here and e.g. 6.3.x is not buildable anymore on Xenial/16.04, so backporting major release updates has its limits
[11:35] <ricotz> (mostly related to C++ features)
[11:39] <mantiena-baltix> ricotz, thank you very much for backporting , LO in Xenial offically is at 5.1.x , so if latest PPA version will be 6.2.x then it's fine, most old computers with Ubuntu 16.04 I support uses LibreOffice 6.1.x and users are happy with this LibreOffice release :)
[12:03] <oSoMoN> Laney, thanks, I'll take a look after lunch
[12:25] <ricotz> mantiena-baltix, note that the packages are not built in the 6-2 ppa, but copied over from another one, they started building now and could take up to 10 hours to finish
[13:28] <maddawg2> 3CX is pretty dope
[13:28] <maddawg2> oops
[13:53] <oSoMoN> Laney, I upgraded an eoan VM with silo 3762, and after logging out a wayland session I see the greeter background and indicators, but no buttons to select the user to log in
[13:54] <Laney> not seen that
[13:54] <Laney> journal?
[14:05] <oSoMoN> Laney, https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/journal-gnome-3.33.txt
[14:07] <oSoMoN> Laney, I rebooted and now I'm logged in fine (I have autologin configured in that VM)
[14:08] <oSoMoN> Laney, also, I can confirm the chromium snap doesn't start
[14:08] <Laney> was it log in, dist upgrade, log out, broken?
[14:09] <oSoMoN> Laney, yes
[14:09] <Laney> ok, will have to try to play with that situation, thanks
[14:10] <oSoMoN> I'm seeing a denial for the chromium snap on /run/user/1000/.mutter-Xwaylandauth-XYZABC
[14:11] <Laney> I think there were some upstream changes to do with being able to start XWayland on demand
[14:25] <oSoMoN> Laney, I filed bug #1840925 to track the problem
[14:33] <Laney> cheers oSoMoN
[14:36] <oSoMoN> Laney, and adding a single rule to the chromium snap's apparmor profile to allow read access to that Xauth file is enough to fix it
[14:36] <Laney> 👊
[14:37] <oSoMoN> I guess the wayland interface will need to be updated, and I will also need to add the plug to chromium
[17:10] <Laney> o/
[17:10] <Laney> might or might not be on tomorrow, depends on connectivity while travelling
[17:15] <mantiena-baltix> ricotz, I've noticed fonts-liberation2 ver 2.00.1-5~16.04.1 backport in libreoffice-6-2 and 6-1 PPA, maybe it's better to backport newer fonts-liberation2 release 2.00.5 , see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=835273 and https://raw.githubusercontent.com/liberationfonts/liberation-fonts/devel/ChangeLog
[17:15] <ubot5`> Debian bug 835273 in fonts-liberation "fonts-liberation: Liberation 2 fonts poorly hinted" [Normal,Fixed]