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-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T111: create suspend button for sddm theme] Guephren (Fernando) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T111#217800:03
wxldanke00:04
lubot<Guephren> There. … Gotta say, this is the weirdest way I've ever shared an image.00:04
wxlbut a very reasonable and portable one00:06
lubot<Guephren> That's true.00:08
guivercfyi: i just noted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1841000 in #ubuntu-bugs-announce, 00:18
ubot93Launchpad bug 1841000 in sddm (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/sddm:6:qt_message_fatal:QMessageLogger::fatal:SDDM::Display::start:SDDM::Seat::createDisplay:SDDM::Seat::Seat" [Undecided, New]00:19
lubot<kc2bez> @teward001 [because I made SystemD units that work lol?  xD], You keep track of our systems and make sure it stays working. That's awesome. It isn't always about the complexity.01:46
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rUPDATENOTIFIERca21971114f2: fix changelog unreleased to eoan] Hans P Möller <hmoller@uc.cl> committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rUPDATENOTIFIERca21971114f202:03
lubot<HMollerCl> wxl ^^ already fixed e-mail02:09
lubot<HMollerCl> sorry, fixed e-mail on https://phab.lubuntu.me/D3602:09
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Added lximage-qt-screenshot.desktop with NoDisplay=true so it does not appear because we changed screenshot program to screengrab: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D3602:09
lubot<HMollerCl> lubuntu-update-notifier is ready02:10
lubot<HMollerCl> wxl @tsimonq2 {02:10
lubot<HMollerCl> ^02:10
lubot<N0um3n0> @HMollerCl [lubuntu-update-notifier is ready], 👍02:27
lubot<N0um3n0> @HMollerCl [lubuntu-update-notifier is ready], Good ;)02:27
wxl@kc2bez: @teward001's official title is Simon Quigley's Janitorial Assistant XD02:35
lubot<kc2bez> Well, that can be a daunting task XD02:36
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: investigate yshui's compton fork] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#217902:43
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @teward001 [wasn't that hard.], I couldn't systemd my znc. So.. it is a bit hard.02:45
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez: @teward001's official title is Simon Quigley's Janitorial Assista …], Ewwww. He deserves better.02:47
lubot<teward001> @kc2bez [You keep track of our systems and make sure it stays working. That's awesome. It …], well, that's part of the job of being hired as such :P03:06
lubot<teward001> @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez: @teward001's official title is Simon Quigley's Janitorial Assista …], no you mean "The Cleaner" - and i mean that generally jot because of Simon lol03:06
lubot<kc2bez> @teward001 [well, that's part of the job of being hired as such :P], hired or not, it is still appreciated.03:07
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Btw, anybody interested in seeing the blockchain app I made? It applies blockchain to the process of voting.03:13
wxlno, no one wants to see your hard work. and certainly you won't find anyone here interested in blockchains.03:15
wxl[/sarcasm]03:15
wxljust paste it already :)03:16
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> It's a video.03:16
wxl@teward001 he's got you doing bodies now, too, huh?03:16
wxl…and ?03:17
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [<reply to image>], ^ I doubt you will be able to see this in irc.03:19
wxldumb03:19
* wxl throws teleirc into a firey blaze03:20
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> https://t.me/ldevel2019/7408703:21
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> ^ this link works?03:21
wxlnope03:22
* wxl throws telegram into a nuclear meltdown03:23
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> https://youtu.be/x2f4ZbLE4Zg03:24
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> ^ This will.03:24
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> I saw "Electron blockchain" and wanted to blow up the internet03:24
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> *blames @teward001 for dumb bridge* XD03:25
wxlelectron or election?03:25
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Election03:25
wxlX''''''''''''''''''''''''D no that's definitely @tsimonq2's fault03:25
wxlphew electron is meh03:25
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> It's an app proposed to improve election process in our country.03:25
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> phew electron is meh], +103:26
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I like the other electron tho. Never allows me to determine it's position and speed accurately together.03:27
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Hope someone gets it. ^03:27
wxlXD03:28
wxli like topological superconductivity, too.03:28
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I haven't dug so far. Just started Quantum mechanics II this sem so probably soon.03:33
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Read a bit of Quantum field theory a couple of days ago. Daamnn!! Ggwp!03:33
wxl@The_LoudSpeaker i'm good to go on the shortcuts right?03:54
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS57756891d134: Added lximage-qt-screenshot.desktop with NoDisplay=true so it does not appear…] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS57756891d13403:56
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker i'm good to go on the shortcuts right?], I am still not sure. I think wait. I will remove earlier file in a while.03:57
wxl@The_LoudSpeaker come onnnnnnn man03:59
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I might seem over cautious but wait 1/2 please.04:00
wxli will take that to mean ½s04:03
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> we anyway have to remove that unnecessary file someday. better if we do it beforre putting our own. i think.04:08
wxlagreed04:08
wxlbut you're taking too looooong04:08
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> aslo I should create a new patch right? for removing that file?04:08
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> but you're taking too looooong], CLoning rn. 5 mins04:08
wxlXD04:09
lubot<tsimonq2> 5 mins to clone or 5 mins to rm the file?04:10
lubot* tsimonq2 runs04:10
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> doesn't build says there's fuzz04:17
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> but I ran quilt refresh04:17
wxloops04:17
wxlwhat you talking about? let's see your patch04:17
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/P3504:18
wxl--lang diff04:19
wxlfyi04:19
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> what?04:19
wxlcat debian/patches/your/patch | arc paste --lang diff04:20
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/P3604:21
wxluhhh04:21
wxlthat seems... unlikely04:21
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> what should I do?04:22
wxldid you look at the patch?04:23
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> yeah. it looked empty?04:23
wxlyep04:23
wxlNothing in patch remove-conf.patch04:23
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> yeah why? I had done quilt new patch and then removed the file.04:24
wxlso first you don't want to demove debian04:24
wxlyou didn't tell quilt you removed the file04:24
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> So I first remove file and then quilt new patch?04:24
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> or do I do quilt remove /path/to/file?04:25
wxlf i remember correctly, you want to `quilt add` the file after `quilt new` and then delete the actual file and `quilt push`04:26
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> But I am not adding the file right? or does quilt add adds file to patch and then worls?04:27
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> yeah later seems likely.04:27
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I will try again04:27
wxlquilt add adds the file to the patch04:28
wxlyou're telling it to track that file in the patch04:28
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Ah! same problem occured yesterday I guess when I was hand patching it.04:33
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> building now. will be there in a sec04:33
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Again error while building :(04:35
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/P3704:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> ^ wxl:04:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> ^^ Anybody ?04:39
wxlyou didn't quilt push04:39
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> when before quile new?04:39
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I did.04:39
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc48a6a90ee3b: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc48a6a90ee3b04:39
wxloh and also you probably have an .install file in debian putting it in place04:39
wxlactually a question04:40
wxlif someone is not on lubuntu and using lxqt-globalkeys, don't they need this to have a sane initial configuration?04:40
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> they wull be using upstream release na? not lubuntu's version right?04:41
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> *will04:41
wxltalking about being on ubuntu04:41
wxlor mate04:41
wxlor kubuntu04:41
wxlor xubuntu04:41
wxlor whatever04:41
wxlthey'd be inclined to grab some the ubuntu repos04:41
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> then we need this file I guess. But won't this file mess with xdg one?04:42
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> they'd be inclined to grab some the ubuntu repos], But then they will also have their simillar config file in their *ubuntu-default-settings. won't they?04:44
wxlyou presume too much04:44
wxlubuntu doesn't even really think abot lxqt04:44
wxljust like we don't think about kde or gnome04:45
lynorianor people that install from minimal and don't install lubuntu-default-settings04:45
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> I think I should shut up and let you land D34. we will see what happens04:46
wxlXDG_CONFIG_DIRS includes /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu followed by /etc/xdg04:46
wxlthat means anything in the former takes precedence over the latter04:46
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> ohh! then we are golden.04:46
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> that means anything in the former takes precedence over the latter], I didn't know this.04:47
wxlhttps://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html04:48
wxlyou really should read the entirety of the freedesktop specifications04:48
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> so land it wxl. and sorry for delay.04:48
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl [<wxl> you really should read the entirety of the freedesktop specifications], ack.04:48
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> noted.04:48
lubot<tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> you really should read the entirety of the freedesktop specifications], Believe me, if you continue on in your Ubuntu (and hopefully Debian) career, there are much worse things you'll have to read04:49
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8d5a1e54f125: Move numlock after login checkbox to the end where it belongs] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8d5a1e54f12504:51
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @tsimonq2 [Believe me, if you continue on in your Ubuntu (and hopefully Debian) career, the …], Ready to do that as long as I don't get deprived of coffee while reading.04:51
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rARTc9253b3cbbe4: add actual suspend button. fixes T110, T111] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rARTc9253b3cbbe404:59
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9157360ff22f: Move wheel scroll lines to front of paragraph] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9157360ff22f04:59
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALeb50d0049dc6: Move Version Section below usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALeb50d0049dc605:02
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rART8d1fd8db24ac: oops forgot changelog] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rART8d1fd8db24ac05:02
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALec61d4444f5d: Move version down below screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALec61d4444f5d05:05
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rART1ef3b932b65b: bump debian compatibility stuff] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rART1ef3b932b65b05:07
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rARTd9d4afce0110: i guess debian/compat isn't legacy after all] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rARTd9d4afce011005:08
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4f1740698fe8: Add brightness confirmation screenshot to brightness] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4f1740698fe805:17
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL76fbc95cf85e: Remove uneeded likely] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL76fbc95cf85e05:27
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1257b7272db3: Move version below screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1257b7272db305:32
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS375b8c9d149c: Edited shortcuts] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS375b8c9d149c05:43
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS6701e0013c2e: bump debian compat stuff] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS6701e0013c2e05:46
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf6259423c758: Move version below usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf6259423c75805:50
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3c7da524bfb2: Remove uneeded whitespace] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3c7da524bfb205:51
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfa4704404d2a: Move version under usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfa4704404d2a05:56
=== pavlushka_ is now known as pavlushka
=== pavlushka_ is now known as pavlushka
crydotsnake-MHello! :)13:20
lubot<teward001> @The_LoudSpeaker [*blames @teward001 for dumb bridge* XD], ?13:20
crydotsnake-MHow are you all :)13:25
* crydotsnake-M uploaded an image: Screenshot_40.png (4KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/kde.org/NwUwcWIYJwfsmTuoCsVVKQKG >14:01
crydotsnake-Mtsimonq2: Hello!, i would let you know that there is a bug with the Social Icons on the lubuntu.me website!. I see the problem on the Computer, and also on my Smartphone.14:01
lubot<HMollerCl> thanks crydotsnake-M14:31
crydotsnake-MNp :) !14:31
lubot<HMollerCl> a lot of lubuntu things landed today: download-fetching lubuntu-artwork, download-fetching lubuntu-default-settings, download-fetching plymouth-theme-lubuntu-logo, download-fetching plymouth-theme-lubuntu-text, download-fetching sddm-theme-lubuntu14:32
lubot<teward001> @HMollerCl [a lot of lubuntu things landed today: download-fetching lubuntu-artwork, downloa …], that'd be because Lubuntu is behind on the FF part14:32
lubot<teward001> not to mention today is FF14:32
lubot<teward001> so these need to land and such before freeze 😛14:32
* crydotsnake-M uploaded an image: lubuntunav.png (4KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/kde.org/FoXtcNLgeziKKoWzAHejFPaj >14:35
crydotsnake-MCan we maybe change the color of "wiki"?, because its a bit hard to read. Or is that normal?.14:35
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lubot<HMollerCl> Fwd from negronipepperoni: <negronipepperoni> hey all! just wanted to report something before i have to run off to work. after updating with the STABLE CI Output PPA today many shortcut keys no longer work. particularly FN+ shortcuts for volume, along with using the meta / super key to open the application menu.15:31
lubot<HMollerCl> wxl @The_LoudSpeaker ^15:31
lubot<HMollerCl> that's in support channel15:32
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Umm you checked in the morning right? It was working.15:32
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> He updated from PPA so global configs got changed but local ones didn't. I suppose.15:33
lubot<HMollerCl> I still have the order, issue, but I haven't restarted after today upgrade15:33
lubot<HMollerCl> "the order" : need to restart panel and launcher so that shorcuts for them take effect15:34
lubot<HMollerCl> but I'm now in virtualbox so no Fn keys15:34
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @HMollerCl I am still not well and cannot test. Could someone test on a real machine with an iso created after pushing D34 ?15:41
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> And that guy left the channel I suppose. Can't find him on irc.15:41
wxlyeah i'm sure that's the case16:59
wxlthat thing with the icons is weird17:05
wxlas far as i can tell that comes from fruitful17:05
lubot<HMollerCl> just restarted after today's update, still need to restart panel and runner ofr their shortcuts to take effects.17:08
lubot<HMollerCl> maybe globalkeys need to start running before panel and runner?17:09
lubot<HMollerCl> because, if I restartart globalkeys, it stop working again (until I restart panel and runner)17:09
lubot<HMollerCl> wxl: I'm responding here17:11
lubot<HMollerCl> I can't test on a new iso here17:11
lubot<HMollerCl> I know that if it works ok with new iso is ood, but still we would need to find a fix if it happens for people who will update from 19.0417:12
lubot<HMollerCl> wxl: I will keep responding here ;)17:14
wxlsorry17:14
lubot<HMollerCl> yes, the ones that have special places for shortcuts17:14
wxlno caffeine yet17:14
lubot<HMollerCl> I mean, you can configure directly in panel and in runner17:14
wxlhm17:15
* lynorian does not partake in caffiene17:15
wxlcan we unconfigure them? :/17:15
lubot<HMollerCl> pcmanfm-qt works ok17:15
wxland you really mean the keyboard shortcut for the menu in panel17:16
wxlHAH17:17
wxli was going to upgrade yesterdays iso17:17
wxlnope17:17
wxlHUGE upgrade17:17
wxloh wait wrong iso17:19
wxlthat's much better17:20
wxlbtw did you notice the change to sddm?17:20
wxlhm so i took yesterday's iso, upgraded to today's packages and did nothing else........ and alt-f2 and super_l do what they're supposed to17:21
kc2bezThe OP in support was using disco not eoan.17:29
wxlwell now that's super bizarre because none of those changes we made were released to disco17:30
wxlmaybe they should be though17:30
kc2bezthey had the ci enabled though17:30
kc2bezci ppa17:30
wxlyeah and i'm not sure what to make of that exactly17:30
kc2bezyeah, it isn't really a supported thing right?17:31
wxlbtw suspend button in sddm thanks to @Guephren https://share.riseup.net/#KbJtY5BjoDcVwuy4jMOl1A17:31
wxli mean i'm not sure17:31
wxlthat doesn't seem like it's exactly consistent with an upgrade to eoan17:31
kc2bezWell if you were on disco you wouldn't get the default-settings changes17:32
wxlor the lxqt-globalkeys ones to go with it17:32
wxlman, i hate drivebys17:32
kc2bezI know, hang out for a bit and we can work something out.17:33
kc2bezAt least get more info17:33
lubot<HMollerCl> wxl: Is there a way to know whic loads first? and change it?17:36
tewardwe need a lugito test17:37
* teward nominates wxl to test things17:37
wxlwell lynorian can push something as he always does17:37
wxls/he/she/17:37
lubot<HMollerCl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T9817:37
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Resolved] Cleanup for lubuntu-update-notifier prior to uploading: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T9817:37
wxlor that17:37
lynoriangood job fixing that17:37
wxlsorry :(17:37
lubot<HMollerCl> wxl: what about update-notifier? What's left so it enter in eoan?17:38
wxloh17:39
wxlso a new package17:39
lubot<HMollerCl> it's a new package so it doesn't get affected by FF I think17:40
lubot<HMollerCl> but anyway17:40
wxli've never been through the process of sponsoring one, but i've made one before.. which doesn't help17:40
wxlteward: do you know?17:40
tewardnever sponsored NEW during FF, i think best is to ask #ubuntu-release that one17:41
tewardwxl: see -release17:42
lubot<teward001> AIUI it'd be considered 'lower priority' but not 'blocked' during FF17:44
kc2bezHas anyone tested efi installation on the new iso? I haven't personally had a chance yet is why I am asking.17:45
tewardwxl: is there a specific package that needs uploading?17:46
tewardjust curious :P17:46
wxlkc2bez: if anyone has, i bet it's guiverc. you should track him down when he pops up again.17:47
wxlteward: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-update-notifier/17:47
wxlteward: also i had hoped :/ to get sddm-config-editor in17:47
wxlthat may be too ambitious, however17:47
kc2bezSounds good. It should run through the guiverc paces.17:48
wxl(the packaging isn't even started)17:48
kc2bezIn the meantime I will try to get to some tests.17:48
wxli really want to put https://i.imgflip.com/38l7v6.jpg in the topic17:48
tewardwxl: running through the standard things for lubuntu-update-notifier - lintian cleanliness, builds, etc.17:49
tewardbecause i'm a picky SOB :P17:49
wxlit's ok, it should already be done17:49
wxland besides, it should be a standard part of the process!17:50
lubot<HMollerCl> I sbuild with evil pedantic and run flake8.17:50
tewardrun pylint while you're at it lol17:50
tewardpedantic whining: insecure URL for the copyright format stuff17:51
tewardP: lubuntu-update-notifier source: insecure-copyright-format-uri http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/17:52
wxlthat's legic17:52
tewardalso W: lubuntu-update-notifier source: timewarp-standards-version (2019-05-28 < 2019-07-07)17:52
wxllegit i mean17:52
tewardbut i don't think either is going to block things17:52
wxlwooooooooooooot17:52
tewardthose're the two remaining warning items17:52
tewardbut i'm picky ;P17:52
teward*spits lubuntu-update-notifier up into Main*17:53
wxlum17:53
tewardinto NEW *17:53
wxli don't understand that standards version concern17:53
tewardwxl: err: mistype, tired, needCoffee17:53
wxlOH17:53
wxlthe issue is the changelog timestamp is old17:53
tewardwxl: wxl, you derp!  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zgW5ZH2grk/17:53
wxl4.4.0 is relatively ne17:53
tewardyep17:53
-queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- New source: lubuntu-update-notifier (eoan-proposed/primary) [0.1]17:53
tewardbut it's already there ^17:54
tewardneeds a NEW review17:54
wxloh heh17:55
tewardwxl: so in this case I'm not concerned17:56
tewardi dont' think the timestamp being 'older' is a blocker17:56
lubot<HMollerCl> first one is only the https instead of http?17:56
lubot<teward001> hep, but it's pedantic17:56
lubot<teward001> second one is the timestamps, but also really not much of a concern17:56
lubot<HMollerCl> I could solve those issues tonight.17:57
lubot<teward001> Lintian passes though 😔17:57
lubot<teward001> i mean17:57
lubot<teward001> you could17:57
lubot<teward001> except17:57
lubot<teward001> i already put the package in NEW17:57
lubot<teward001> :P17:57
lubot<HMollerCl> ok, thanks!17:57
lubot<teward001> wxl: I take it that sddm-config-editor is just not ready for inclusion then18:02
lubot<teward001> :P18:02
wxlprobably not :/18:02
wxlthe thing builds and functions nice18:03
lubot<teward001> mmkay18:03
wxlthere's some initial packaging in Debian but it hasn't been updated and it doesn't build, either off of the current release or the current master18:03
lubot<HMollerCl> @wxl [<wxl> probably not :/], whic wash the ppa?18:04
wxland to be far, i'd be doing something a little substandard: building off of master. the last release is just a wee bit old18:04
wxl@HMollerCl it's not in a ppa.. i included a link to the binary18:04
lubot<teward001> @wxl [<wxl> and to be far, i'd be doing something a little substandard: building off o …], yeah, that'd be a little bit nasty to track18:04
lubot<HMollerCl> the one in lxqt github?18:04
wxlyeah18:05
wxli mean i've seen stuff like that before18:05
lubot<HMollerCl> wxl: nm-tray 0.4.3 is already in sid (the one that we packaged)18:06
lubot<HMollerCl> and some guy made a ppa with a merge18:06
lubot<HMollerCl> https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+sourcepub/10427332/+listing-archive-extra but now says removal requested 4 hours ago...18:08
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd130cca74d82: Add htop filter screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd130cca74d8218:14
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbde0b07da61a: Add interface tab summary for vlc prefrences] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbde0b07da61a18:41
lubot<teward001> @HMollerCl [https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+s …], probably because...18:45
lubot<teward001> Superseded on 2019-08-21 by nm-tray - 0.4.3-1ubuntu1ppa118:45
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL36d49d47c617: Reword show controls in fullscreen mode checkbox] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL36d49d47c61718:50
lubot<teward001> wxl: is there a bug somewhere I have to indicate where I did the lubuntu-software-center upload to NEW ?18:50
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4fcedcdcbfc3: Capitlize VLC many places] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4fcedcdcbfc318:53
wxl@teward001 not really19:21
wxli don't see that gianfranco has nm-tray in his ppa anymore19:22
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL751d8b1a55b1: Capitilize VLC even more places] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL751d8b1a55b119:24
lubot<HMollerCl> @wxl [<wxl> i don't see that gianfranco has nm-tray in his ppa anymore], the url gives 200, but it says that the removal was requested. Anyway, he told me that if we did it that way, we wouldn't need to care for packaging, but I'm not sure since we already make a patch, the one for nm-tui.19:34
lubot<teward001> wxl: did we need to do a test of a UEFI install with the daily?19:41
lubot<teward001> I can spin a UEFI-powered VM up19:41
lubot<teward001> ... after I get this ITS package i'm working on up to mentors.d.n19:41
kc2bezThat would be great @teward001 , I haven't had a chance yet. I have tested a regular BIOS install just not UEFI yet.19:46
lubot<teward001> let me pull the daily and prep the VM19:46
lubot<teward001> ... once i'm home in a couple hours lol19:47
kc2bezno worries. more eyes on it would be good.19:47
tsimonq2!standup21:07
ubot93standup is @tsimonq2 @lynorian @HMollerCl @aptghetto @teward001 @SamuelBanya @kc2bez @The_LoudSpeaker wxl[m] guiverc it's 2100 UTC Thursday which means it's time for the Lubuntu Development standup meeting. Please announce yourself for roll call! Afterwards, in order of announcement, post your items and be sure to mention when you're done.21:07
tsimonq2OH HELLO21:07
wxlomg simon is here21:07
wxlwhat the heck happened21:07
kc2bezack21:07
tsimonq2ack21:07
tsimonq2I also don't have a paste prepared.21:07
lubot<HMollerCl> hi21:07
lynoriano\21:07
tsimonq2So everyone else first XD21:07
lubot<N0um3n0> hi21:08
wxlan important thing for us to remember: https://i.imgflip.com/38l7v6.jpg21:08
kc2bezXD21:08
lubot<N0um3n0> xDDDDD21:08
tsimonq2HAHAHAHAHAHAHA21:08
tsimonq2I love it21:08
wxlso you're running the show21:09
tsimonq2ok21:09
tsimonq2so21:09
tsimonq2wxl go21:09
wxlaw hell21:09
lynorianand transverse fault is lower left :D21:09
wxlwell i don't really have a paste either21:09
wxlbut i have this https://phab.lubuntu.me/feed/query/cgYR.NVcQK7r/?after=672600286540979042721:09
tewardNo paste here either21:09
wxlsorry this https://phab.lubuntu.me/feed/query/cgYR.NVcQK7r/21:09
tewardBut i can give you a summary of stuff I did21:10
lubot<UniversalSuperBox> 10/10 efficient standup strategy21:10
tsimonq2XD21:10
lubot<N0um3n0> @UniversalSuperBox [10/10 efficient standup strategy], XD21:10
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> O/21:10
wxltwo pages of stuff this time so kind of crazy21:10
wxlworking hard to get a lot of stuff in before ff21:10
wxlbig stuff:21:10
wxl * shortcuts (finally)21:11
wxl * sddm suspend button21:11
wxl * remove fcitx-qim-uipanel21:11
wxlalso set out the compton fork and sddm-config-editor for testing21:11
wxlmostly the results from the latter have been positive, but the former have been mixed, especially, curiously, with radeon devices21:11
wxlnot sure what to think about that21:12
wxloh21:12
kc2bezI can find a radeon box to test on.21:12
wxli also did the lxqt-globalkeys patch21:12
wxllook at guiverc's notes21:12
kc2bezwill do21:12
wxlalso sponsored removal of lximage-qt screenshot21:13
wxlcala settings (good job dan)21:13
kc2bezThanks for that ^21:13
wxlscreengrab 21:13
lynorianyay screengrab work now although 21:14
wxloh and dnd/mtp patch21:14
wxlso big kudos to raman who powered through some tough stuff21:14
wxland that's it for me21:15
tsimonq2Thanks wxl!21:15
lynorianalso old raedon or newer amdgpu module grpahics ? kc2bez or wxl?21:15
wxlnp21:15
lynorianthanks21:15
tsimonq2kc2bez: You're up!21:15
wxlmmm have to look it up21:15
kc2bezI have a short paste.21:15
tewardWhen do i drop my little blurbs lol.21:15
kc2bez* Tasks21:16
kc2bez- Most of my time was spent working on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T10721:16
kc2bez* Testing21:16
kc2bez- I was able to test https://phab.lubuntu.me/T9621:16
kc2bez- It seemed to work well for me. I think if there is more development in that fork it is probably the best approach.21:16
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Resolved] Clean up calamares settings: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T10721:16
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] investigate yshui's compton fork: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T9621:16
kc2bez* TODO21:16
kc2bez- Send out a notification re: Wallpaper contest to get your submissions in. 21:16
kc2bez* OF NOTE21:16
kc2bezWork has been busy, next week our semester starts. Usually things cut back a bit after the first week or so. I'll be here as much as I can.21:16
wxllynorian: mainly dell optiplex so amd/ati (cedar) radeon21:16
kc2bezI have a couple of older ati cards too so they would be close in comparison.21:17
wxldid you test on those?21:17
tsimonq2Thanks kc2bez :)21:17
kc2bezThat is it from me21:17
wxlcuz i only saw a test on intel21:17
kc2bezRight I haven't yet but I will21:17
wxllooks like bjlockie is using nouveau21:18
kc2bezeww21:18
wxltheir notes are hard to parse21:18
tsimonq2kc2bez: Thanks for your work!21:19
tsimonq2Since teward is DYING to paste his summary...21:19
tsimonq2GO21:19
tewardInfrastructure: Made Lugio, CodiMD, and TeleIRC runnable via SystemD units and to autostart.21:19
tsimonq2:)21:19
tewardPackages: Uploaded lubuntu-update-notifier to NEW.21:19
tewardTodo: UEFI installer tests for daily ISOs21:19
tsimonq2teward: We'll have to have a talk about that. :P21:19
tewardAlso, it is ALWAYS Simon’s fault21:19
teward@tsimomq2 wxl asked :P21:20
wxlthx teward21:20
tsimonq2teward: Yo dawg, can ya not step on toes and at least let me review one more time when I had outstanding issues before you upload. :P21:20
wxlwell to be fair, @HMollerCl asked21:20
tsimonq2It's whatever. :)21:20
tewardwxl’s fault tho he said it was ready and asked it to be uploaded proxying the req from HMollerCl21:20
wxli was merely inquiring about what is involved with sponsoring new packages as i had never done21:20
wxlpffhhht21:20
wxldude you're all wrong21:20
tewardIn any case, its still NEW it can be NACKed and rejected easily21:20
wxlhttps://i.imgflip.com/38l7v6.jpg21:21
tsimonq2mmmkay21:21
tewardOh SMTP tests fir Phab tomorrow w.21:21
tewardBleh darn phone.  So phab mail is being worked on21:21
tsimonq2I'll go, then it'll be Hans, Lyn, @N0um3n0, and Raman21:21
wxloh i added teward to the lubuntu-team on github21:21
tsimonq2Then anyone else21:21
wxlhe's fixing some security issues there21:21
tsimonq2nice nice21:21
tewardwxl: for lugito, yes.  (Fixed it already)21:22
lubot<N0um3n0> what? XD21:22
wxlOH21:23
wxldid i mention? @Guephren had his first contribution21:24
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Congo!21:24
tsimonq2Nice work teward 21:25
tsimonq2 - I've been recovering from $illness, so short week.21:25
tsimonq2 - Feature Freeze is today, get yer stuff in!21:25
tsimonq2 - Reviewed https://phab.lubuntu.me/D30 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D32 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D33 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D3421:25
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] added screengrab: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D3021:25
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Fix DND MTP Bug: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D3221:25
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Clean up Calamares settings.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D3321:25
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Edited shortcuts: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D3421:25
tsimonq2 - Authored https://phab.lubuntu.me/D35 which is a start to refactoring the contributions guide.21:25
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] [WIP] Add more content to the Contributing Guide: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D3521:25
tsimonq2 - Helped with server outage due to internal accounting issue, thanks to teward and wxl for helping out.21:25
tsimonq2 - Helped Hans decipher Lintian stuff, always fun.21:25
tsimonq2 - Asked LocutusOfBorg to come here to discuss his nm-tray merge, he has a PPA that needs testing.21:25
tsimonq2 - Authored a tweet saying how proud I am of y'all: https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1163964391764713477 https://twitter.com/tsimonquigley2/status/1163965180771995648 <321:25
tsimonq2 - Gave @Schyken access to author tweets, and he's been doing a good job at that. Let me know if you want in.21:26
tsimonq2Questions?21:26
lubot<HMollerCl> @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> - Asked LocutusOfBorg to come here to discuss his nm-tray merge, he h …], his ppa has a removal request 5 hours ago21:26
lubot<HMollerCl> https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+sourcepub/10427332/+listing-archive-extra21:27
tsimonq2Got it21:28
wxlcould you follow up with him on that?21:29
wxl@tsimonq2: ^21:29
-queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- New: rejected lubuntu-update-notifier [source] (eoan-proposed) [0.1]21:30
wxl^ what else does that need?21:30
tsimonq2I'll take a look.21:31
tsimonq2Next is @HMollerCl21:31
lubot<HMollerCl> ok21:31
wxlthanks21:31
lubot<HMollerCl> Tomorrow is my presentatio in ubuconla, so making odp.21:32
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> ATB21:32
lubot<HMollerCl> I want to upload to hear some comments, where can I?21:32
lubot<lynorian> I understand that takes a while21:32
lubot<HMollerCl> besides that:21:32
lubot<HMollerCl> added sreengrab T8421:32
lubot<HMollerCl> hide lximage-qt -s .desktop T84 D3621:32
wxlnotes.lubuntu.me21:33
wxlerr21:33
wxlmaybe not21:33
wxluhhh21:33
lubot<HMollerCl> update-notifier thanks to @teward T97, T98 (recently rejected)21:33
lubot<HMollerCl> Talk with lxqt because of his icon selection.21:33
wxlcan you export to some web friendly format?21:33
lubot<HMollerCl> pdf works?21:33
lubot<HMollerCl> it's small.21:33
wxlyeah sure21:34
lubot<HMollerCl> for the ones in telegram thjere it is21:34
lubot<HMollerCl> I will also bring an atom 64bit 2Gb RAM netbook and a celeron T5600 4Gb Ram notebook so they can see how LXQt run21:35
lubot<HMollerCl> that would be from my side21:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Can I go now? It's 3am. Sorry to interrupt.21:37
lynoriansure21:37
lubot<HMollerCl> go21:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Thanks.21:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> One sec21:37
wxldid you want to go raman?21:37
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Nothing much except this: … Tasks: … FIX DND MTP: had to hand edit the patch … phab.lubuntu.me/T9921:38
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Shortcuts: put both lxqt-globalkeys and openbox conf together in D34 … phab.lubuntu.me/T5921:38
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Screengrab: replaced older screenshot utility with screengrab. Included in D34. … phab.lubuntu.me/T8421:38
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Grub theme: asked mate forum how they did it. Got the idea. But also got sick. So maybe wait a couple of days for thems to get in. … phab.lubuntu.me/T3021:38
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Xscreensaver: listed which are good from the ones currently shipped. Have to dig in more. Will do.  … phab.lubuntu.me/T2121:38
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> To-do: … Think a way to get shortcuts into disco. T59 had dealt with eoan. Will create a new task.21:38
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Get theme in. Release manager (@tsimonq2) do you mind if it's a couple of days after FF?21:39
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Xscreensaver21:39
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Misc: … Discarded 2 mails to users list.21:39
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> When is the wallpaper contest ending? @tsimonq2 get the Instagram credentials. We can run it on Instagram.21:39
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> That's it.21:39
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Any questions?21:39
tsimonq2I'm going to assume it's a "Lubuntu package, Lubuntu rules" type thing, and since FF is a soft freeze, I'm personally fine with breaking it.21:39
wxltheme/xscreensaver should be ui anyways21:40
tsimonq2Yeah.21:40
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> I'm going to assume it's a "Lubuntu package, Lubuntu rules" type thin …], Thanks!21:40
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Anything else?21:41
tsimonq2Nothing from me.21:41
tsimonq2@N0um3n0?21:41
tsimonq2You go now :)21:41
wxlthanks raman21:41
wxland really really good job21:41
lubot<N0um3n0> not much this week21:41
lubot<The_LoudSpeaker> Thanks bye!21:41
lubot<N0um3n0> answered https://phab.lubuntu.me/T103 … answered https://phab.lubuntu.me/T104 … answered https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/csge7z/ibus_doenst_work/ … created italian, chinese, german, japanese groups … why isn't hans here?  https://phab.lubuntu.me/project/members/9/ … Can you create in discourse, support for Spanish and Portug21:41
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Properly deal with translations on the blog: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T10321:41
lubotuese? … the document could be finished if everyone agrees https://notes.lubuntu.me/Jaz9b1qRTWixJeXY40v3oA#21:41
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Get translations going again: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T10421:41
lubot<N0um3n0> and starting to translate the blog21:42
wxlhans added21:43
wxl+1 on doc21:43
tsimonq2^21:43
tsimonq2Send it to the LC and we'll give you the official go-ahead.21:43
lubot<N0um3n0> @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> Send it to the LC and we'll give you the official go-ahead.], perfect ;)21:44
lubot<N0um3n0> I'll do that21:44
tsimonq2Sweet!21:45
tsimonq2Anything else?21:45
lynorianYay translation finally baout to go21:45
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: investigate yshui's compton fork] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#219221:45
wxlis it, though?21:45
lynoriansearch through tabs with & in firefox and downaward arrow21:46
lynorianfirefox launching through quick launch21:46
lynorianvlc tray icon missing options finished21:46
lynorianquit trojia from system tray21:46
lynorianserver options on right click on quassel21:46
lynorianshow hide chats on right click21:46
lynorianobconf-margins screenshot21:46
lynorianfix previous back buttons21:46
lynorianremove innacurate stuff from appendix D upgrading21:46
lynorianexplain crit temperture on sensors21:46
lynorianadded lockscreen 21:46
lynorianRewrite launching software sources21:46
lynorianremove :21:46
lynorianfix capitilzation21:46
lynorianmerged simon adding stuff to contributing guide thanks21:46
lynorianmove stuff to flow like version below usage and 21:46
lynorianhtop filter screenshot21:46
lynoriancapitlize VLC21:46
wxlgreat work!21:47
tewardtsimonq2 spammer confirmed21:48
tewardKban from IRC.21:48
lubot<HMollerCl> Question21:48
lynorianand upgrading stuff I need done for 19.10 after feature freeze so won't get changed twice21:48
tsimonq2^^^^^21:48
lubot<HMollerCl> in the manual appear this: Translators:  Marcin Mikołajczak21:48
tsimonq2Anyone else around?21:48
lubot<HMollerCl> who is this guy?21:49
lynorianThat was way back from like 18.04 days stuff and I haven't seen him around in a while21:49
guiverc2I've done minimal sorry, I've not been on top of health/pain problems so everything I've done has been very short & things needing minimal-no concentration (askubu,ubuforum), testcases haven't advanced from my local system21:49
wxlhe was one of the google code-in kids21:49
tsimonq2^^^21:49
wxlhe was actually really cool21:49
tsimonq2SPEAKING OF WHICH21:49
tsimonq2When's that again?21:49
tsimonq2We gotta hop on that train21:49
tsimonq2idc if we do it as Lubuntu :)21:49
tewardNever again.  *shot* (loljk)21:49
tsimonq2(I mean we totally could)21:49
wxlGCI is usually 7-8 weeks during Northern Hemisphere winters21:57
tsimonq2ok21:58
tsimonq2Now21:58
tsimonq2I understand we have an AOB point21:58
wxlnot everyone groks your acronyms21:58
tsimonq2Any Other Business21:59
tsimonq2teward: ^^^^^^^^21:59
tewardYeah we need to better document what needs review for NEW uploads21:59
tewardAnd restrict access to closing those tasks to relevant uploaders21:59
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8a321e326743: Update screenshot for pavucontrol-playback with more complicated setup] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8a321e32674322:00
tewardI sent Simon a summary of my thoughts in PM for how to go forward, but its necessary to avoid toe stepping like earlier.22:00
tewardAs a team we should come up with a good documenting and workflow approach for this22:00
tsimonq2He suggested using Phab's Kanban more, I think that's a good idea.22:01
wxlwell it would also help if simon would ever reply to his review requests............................................................................................22:02
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tsimonq2That's part of the problem, I don't know that I have them22:02
tsimonq2I want to be able to look at one big "needs review" thing22:02
wxlwhere's the documentation?22:02
tsimonq2I'll take this on and reorganize Kanban.22:03
wxleverytime i look on phab, i see the reviews i'm waiting on22:03
wxlhttps://share.riseup.net/#wigRUyLWi1A-Znlb5AFaKw22:05
wxlcomplaints about phabricator #23761378618726123786: the best documentation for it is on mediawiki, not phabricator's actual documentation22:07
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL14fe0208a11e: Move version below usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL14fe0208a11e22:07
wxlhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management#Kanban_in_Phabricator22:08
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8c1a5e868297: Reword scoring sentence] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8c1a5e86829722:11
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1049536f3f2b: Add sentnce on how rest of blocks move] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1049536f3f2b22:14
tsimonq2New rule: all new tasks get a project.22:51
tsimonq2The goal from here is going to be to use Kanban to sort the darn things out.22:51
tsimonq2I wonder if I can even do diffs with Kanban, hm.22:51
wxlphab doesn't really have kanban22:52
wxlthey just have workboards22:52
tsimonq2Okay, workboards.22:52
wxlworkboards can only contain tasks afaik22:54
wxleach project can have many workboards, which can be thought of like states22:55
wxlfor example, the phabricator workboard workboards https://secure.phabricator.com/project/view/773/22:56
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T114: Make packaging docs clearer] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T11422:56
tsimonq2okay22:57
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc020dea0d3dd: Remove duplicate note editor font] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc020dea0d3dd22:57
wxlhere's a kanban from wikimedia's analytics team https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/analytics-kanban/22:58
wxlsomehow this feeds into it https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/11/22:59
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7a3d00fad71f: Move version below usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7a3d00fad71f23:02
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL78bcb8ac5a19: Remove How to open prefrences from paragrph about qlipper] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL78bcb8ac5a1923:08
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5ab3895bfa5c: Capitlize start of pcmanfm-qt] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5ab3895bfa5c23:21
lubot<HMollerCl> https://twitter.com/tsimonquigley2/status/1164682464700305408?s=0923:37
lubot<HMollerCl> @tsimonq2 are tasks for lubuntu here?23:37
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T115: Qt 4 Removal] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T11523:39
tsimonq2^ :)23:39
tsimonq2Oh, yes, so that does apply to us.23:54
tsimonq2Grabbing an ISO to see what gets removed if I remove Qt 4 from the system.23:57

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