[03:53] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:34] <akemlenovo> Good morning.
[05:36] <akemlenovo> I was thinking about that fact that a good Linux system should use all available RAM for this or that, but then it doesn't make sense at some point when you have lots of RAM and if the system is mainly idleing.
[05:38] <daftykins> depends if it's accurately predicting what you might do next
[05:39] <daftykins> also, good morn indeed!
[05:42] <akemlenovo> daftykins, But it may not need much RAM if i just do some text editing or small shell stuff. So in that case there is no point to use the free memory.
[05:42] <akemlenovo> But i understand there could be cases it will cache large files or do some other background process.
[05:42] <daftykins> yeah, horses for courses
[05:45] <daftykins> but also there's probably no harm at the same time
[05:46] <daftykins> what might seem like work to us isn't really a big deal on the hardwares time surely
[05:49] <akemlenovo> daftykins, What i feel like, with a computer that will predict my usage, is that it gets out of my control sort of...also that things gets more and more complicated but ofc it's supposed to be for the best.
[05:50] <akemlenovo> I think i like stupid machines instead of AI powered supercomputers :P
[05:50] <daftykins> i know what you mean, i still remember Windows 95 stealing my lovely DOS from me
[05:51] <akemlenovo> Hehe yeah that must be that same idea :P
[05:51] <daftykins> before that i kinda knew every file on the disk - but that day ended, then 95 was set to autostart and oooy
[05:51] <daftykins> felt like the end of an era at that time
[05:54] <daftykins> ooh there's new Titanic footage out - https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2019/08/22/titanic-dives-footage-decomposition-na-lon-orig.cnn/video/playlists/around-the-world/
[06:01] <akemlenovo> Feels like treasure hunter with the Titanic :)
[06:09] <akemlenovo> Too bad we don't see what some of the inside looks like, they must have filmed parts of that too with their submarine drone.
[06:12] <akemlenovo> Found some shots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pun18bi_0-g ;)
[06:14] <daftykins> \o/
[06:15] <daftykins> oh that's an old one though
[06:15] <daftykins> apparently this latest one used fancy 4K cameras, so that'll be a treat if they go to the same spots
[06:18] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:26] <daftykins> heya
[06:27] <akemlenovo> Good morning.
[06:28] <lordievader> Hey akemlenovo
[07:27] <EoflaOE> good morning evertyone
[07:27] <EoflaOE> everyone*
[07:28] <lordievader> Morning EoflaOE
[07:28] <EoflaOE> Good morning lordievader
[07:29] <lordievader> How are you doing/
[07:29] <lordievader> ?
[07:31] <EoflaOE> I am doing fine. And you?
[07:33] <EoflaOE> And do you know that Ubuntu has entered a feature freeze?
[07:34] <daftykins> 19.10 at least? eh if it's not LTS, yawn ;)
[07:35]  * lordievader is not really up to date with the ubuntu release cycle
[07:35] <lordievader> .10 is never an LTS release.
[07:36] <EoflaOE> daftykins and lordievader: I am talking about Ubuntu Eoan Ermine
[07:36] <daftykins> yeah so 19.10
[07:36] <EoflaOE> Yes.
[07:36] <daftykins> roll on 20.04
[07:38] <EoflaOE> daftykins: Yes, I will look at the 20.04 schedule after 19.10 releases. Check my blog for explanation: https://eofla.wordpress.com/2019/08/22/ubuntu-eoan-ermine-has-reached-the-feature-freeze/
[07:38] <daftykins> err explanation of what?
[07:38] <daftykins> the title is all that needs to be read xD
[07:41] <guiverc> G'day EoflaOE
[07:41] <EoflaOE> Hello guiverc
[07:41] <EoflaOE> daftykins: Explanation about the feature freeze.
[07:42] <lordievader> It is pretty much self-explanatory, right?
[07:44] <EoflaOE> lordievader: Yes, so the blog post is pretty short.
[07:57] <daftykins> yeah i know what the term means :)
[07:57] <EoflaOE> OK.
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> hey EoflaOE
[08:47] <Rojola> hi
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> hey Rojola
[08:47] <Rojola> lotuspsychje, so, what's the answer? ;)
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> Rojola: re-ask here please
[08:47] <EoflaOE> hello lotuspsychje, how are you doing and how is the kernel?
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: we found the issue with the developer, it was realtek module eth r8169 making it flicker
[08:49] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: And how is Ethernet related to flickering? Is the bug reported?
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1838644
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: im not certain what will happen from now..maybe they will push a commit?
[08:50] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: Thanks. Looking at it.
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: the solution is not described in my bug yet
[08:51] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: OK. I have one more question, does the Dell Optiplex 7060 contain this Ethernet r8169? It's okay if unknown.
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: is there a specific bug you are talking about?
[08:54] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: I don't think so, because Optiplex 7060 can't have r8169. Only Intel Ethernet.
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: keep in mind my flickering bug is specific to clevo laptops (for now) we did not find other brands yet
[08:55] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: OK Thanks.
[09:02] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: I think the importance of the bug should be the highest possible. Am I right?
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: i dont think so, as this is only on this combination of hardware on clevo
[09:04] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: Thanks. Good thing I don't own Clevo and I don't have Ethernet; only WiFi.
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: we do have other bugs with realtek and kernel 5.0 though..
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: for example https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1841040
[09:05] <lordievader> It is always a dissapointment when you find that your motherboard has a realtek chipset -.-
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: indeed, and the bad news is, i cant pick another eth chipset, its built in from factory on this model
[09:06] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: Yes. lordievader: Yes. My d-link wifi adapter has Realtek.
[09:06] <lordievader> That is usually the case nowadays.
[09:07] <lordievader> Though on a desktop you can opt for a pci(-e) card.
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: the good news the devs found what its about, so perhaps good for few next kernels :p
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> lordievader EoflaOE related to: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109215
[09:14] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: Yes. So that explains everything.
[09:14] <daftykins> honestly, shame on Linux if in a desktop you have to throw in a NIC because they can't drive the onboard properly
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> +1
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> very uncomfy for my existing users on LTS
[09:18] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Have you tested 5.3-rc?
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> yes sir
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> no flickering there
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> the only kernels flickering are 4.19 and 5.0
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: but i got a workaround now, and the dev know whats it about so..
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> my job is done
[10:30] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> !test
[11:00] <daftykins> wow still no bot?
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> i reported it, seems still away
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> +1 is working
[11:01] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje!
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> plz no cola today
[11:01] <marcoagpinto> I have spent ~4 hours working on the GB speller
[11:01] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:16] <marcoagpinto> guys?!
[11:17] <marcoagpinto> will someday the window icon allow higher sizes?
[11:17] <marcoagpinto> for example, instead of 16x16 accept 24x24 or 32x32 when 4K becomes standard
[11:17] <marcoagpinto> and SVG icons for it
[11:17] <daftykins> oh for high DPI application icons, hmm
[11:18] <marcoagpinto> I wanted to suggest it also for MS Windows but they never reply to my suggestions in the forum :(((((((((
[11:19] <marcoagpinto> I need to win the EuroMillions and pay to Microsoft for they to implement my suggestions
[11:19] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:19] <marcoagpinto> they=them*
[11:20] <daftykins> just found this looking around - https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2017/05/19/improving-high-dpi-experience-gdi-based-desktop-apps/#chm4wVvLCg2ktFzC.97
[11:20] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhhhh
[11:20] <marcoagpinto> let me check
[11:20] <daftykins> honestly i don't think what you're saying is something they've not heard of
[11:21] <daftykins> scaling for instance, which is sort of related, still seems to be handled pretty poorly across all OSs
[11:21] <marcoagpinto> well, only if someone gives him $$$ they will implement
[11:21] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:21] <marcoagpinto> him=them*
[11:21] <marcoagpinto> sorry for the typos... I am brain-toasted
[11:22] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: that is why I suggested SVG
[11:22] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:22] <marcoagpinto> vectorised images
[11:22] <daftykins> yeah, i know about SVGs... but that's not relevant to the type of scaling i'm talking about there
[11:22] <daftykins> i mean when people find 1:1 too 'small' so they set 125%, 150% or even 200% scaling on their desktop to make UI elements larger
[11:23] <daftykins> if i had a 4K display i'd probably still run 1:1 for the increased 'real-estate'
[11:23] <daftykins> as it is i'm still running my 11 year old 1920x1200 LCDs :)
[11:35] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:49] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: Hello!
[11:49] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[11:50] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[19:23] <OerHeks> TFH time
[19:23] <OerHeks> tin foil hat