[15:05] <ali1234> lotuspsychje: problem is reproduced with your cmdline
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: aka, not solved?
[15:05] <ali1234> yes
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> ok
[15:05] <ali1234> i can "solve" it by just enabling networking in the bios, i'm not trying to solve it, i'm trying to find the commit that introduced it
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: did you sudo update-grub after yeah?
[15:06] <ali1234> yes
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> kk
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: try legacy boot and secureboot off too
[15:27] <ali1234> lotuspsychje: i am currently using legacy boot as that is the only way to turn off secureboot on this motherboard
[15:28] <ali1234> and turning off secureboot is required to test the ubuntu mainline kernel ppa because it isn't signed
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: ok, and whats the result?
[15:28] <ali1234> the result is the same as ever
[15:29] <ali1234> i currently have it testing 4.4 with a script to reboot if it detects a working network connection
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: allright, well tnx for testing anyway, keep updating your bug with your tests ok
[15:29] <ali1234> i expect that 4.4 will not repro the bug, at least i hope it wont
[15:29] <ali1234> but i have to reboot it a lot of times to be sure of this
[15:55] <B|ack0p> ubuntu freezed again.. it is 3rd time since yesterday
[15:57] <compdoc> could be a bad power supply or a failing drive
[15:57] <compdoc> or a bad fan
[15:58] <B|ack0p> well i am not sure
[15:58] <B|ack0p> i cleaned fan and replaced thermal some days ago..
[15:58] <compdoc> thats very common, but they are other possibilties
[15:58] <compdoc> the drive is easy to see if its failing
[15:59] <B|ack0p> i checked syslog noted exact time when freeze happened but it doesnt show in logs
[15:59] <B|ack0p> maybe firefox bug?
[15:59] <B|ack0p> it happened when i was on firefox
[15:59] <karthikkumar> Hi everyone
[16:00] <compdoc> check for extentions that have been installed
[16:02] <B|ack0p> i have avast online security and duckduckgo extension only
[16:02] <B|ack0p> ok removed both lets see
[17:42] <Haled> is there an app (CLI or GUI) in Ubuntu that shows network trafic, preferably by application or destination?
[17:43] <rud0lf> nethogs
[17:43] <sarnold> iftop
[17:43] <Haled> anyhthing that ships with the OS?
[17:44] <sarnold> apt install iftop  :)
[17:44] <Haled> :)
[17:44] <Haled> thanks guys
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> Haled: tweakign ubuntu is very personal, might need you to install packages
[17:44] <sarnold> you *can* use ss to find this data too but it's much harder :)
[17:47] <Wolf_Tongue> Hi there, I have a problem with my ssl environment in ubuntu 16.04 lts.In normal cases, Ubuntu should use /etc/ssl/certs as valid or trusted certs. In my environment it no longer uses that which makes every certificate invalid. If I test it using openssl using -CApath /etc/ssl/certs it is working. Has anyone an idea what to do on ubuntu to fix that?
[17:48] <lordcirth_> Wolf_Tongue, do you have any idea what you changed?
[17:49] <Wolf_Tongue> lordcirth_ not really
[17:51] <Wolf_Tongue> The only thing I could figure out is, if I add the -CApath /etc/ssl/certs to openssl it is working - same if I specify the environment variable SSL_CERT_DIR. If not I get "unable to get local issuer certificates". This is not only a openssl thing it is system wide at the moment.
[17:52] <ioria> Wolf_Tongue, you can try to install --reinstall openssl, ca-certificates, ssl-cert
[17:53] <Wolf_Tongue> ioria already tried that - i even installed the newest openssl version. It seems that ubuntu is not knowing its own certs path anymore.
[17:53] <ioria> Wolf_Tongue, dpkg-reconfigure those pkgs
[17:53] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: can you pastebin what you're running and explain what's wrong with it?
[17:56] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yCqZSs7dVH/ that is what I get from all services which try to communicate. It seems like there are no trusted certifications at the moment - which meens every cert is invalid or self signed. I can fix this for openssl by specifying the -CApath parameter, but not for other services (here is it with the parameter: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WndpDYxvfX/ )
[17:58] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: that specific behaviour is expected on ubuntu; I understand other distros may set that /etc/ssl/certs/ as a default
[17:58] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold my server is running for 1-2 years now and now I am not able to download anything from https connection or issue letsencrypt certs. That is not a normal behaviour for me. Do you have a solution for that?
[17:59] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: aha, that *isn't* normal :)
[18:00] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: try running update-ca-certificates -- perhaps update-ca-certificates -v ?
[18:00] <Wolf_Tongue> ioria i did a dpkg-reconfigure on all but nothing changed right now. I also let ubuntu recreate the certs storage without any changes
[18:01] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold I tried update-ca-certificates multiple times. But without "-f" it is not doing anything and with -f it is just updateing the /etc/ssl/certs folder which seems to be fine. I just need to tell the system to use it :-)
[18:01] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: ugh. :( uhhh.. my next suggestion is to bust out strace and see if you can spot anything weird
[18:15] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold i tried strace and found one strange bahaviour, maybe you have an idea: before failing it tries to open the cert "/usr/lib/ssl/certs/4a6481c9.0" which is not existing. But the cert 4a64...0 (same name) is available in the /etc/ssl/certs/ folder.
[18:18] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: very curious. I've got *two* symlinks that match ???????? -- both from 2012, to the snakeoil cert
[18:19] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: 4a6481c9.0 -> GlobalSign_Root_CA_-_R2.pem
[18:20] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold I try to get into it and heard the name snakeoil once but have no idea what it is. but yes I have the same symlink but only in /etc/ssl/certs - what is inside your /usr/lib/ssl/certs folder?
[18:21] <sarnold> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Oct 17  2012 /usr/lib/ssl/certs -> /etc/ssl/certs
[18:21] <Wolf_Tongue> the hole folder is linked to /etc/ssl/certs?
[18:22] <shred805> can anyone help me see what I am missing during this install, it won't let me proceed. Done is greyed out
[18:22] <shred805> https://i.imgur.com/O8ocfcI.jpg
[18:23] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: yeah
[18:23] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold tried to move the /usr/lib/ssl/certs folder to creat a symlinc (to not lose it) - it tells me the filesystem is read only ... wtf
[18:24] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: uhoh. does dmesg have any indication what's going on?
[18:25] <shred805> anyone have any ideas?
[18:27] <sarnold> shred805: hmm, maybe ask in #ubuntu-server, I'm thinking that channel may be more familiar with it
[18:27] <shred805> thanks
[18:28] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold I do not get it, I have no clue why it should be read only but I cannot move or delete it weather can I add a file (e.g. using touch)
[18:30] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: the usual reason for a filesystem to be unexpected remounted read-only is a consistency error of some sort; dmesg should report if that happens
[18:30] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold i am not familiar how to use dmesg, can you help me with it?
[18:32] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: dmesg in a terminal will print the kernel log to the terminal; if you're not familiar with it, you might want to paste it to a pastebin site and ask for a second opinion.
[18:32] <sarnold> there can be a few thousand lines there and sometiems it's just noise, sometime it's pretty important
[18:33] <sarnold> dmesg
[18:33] <sarnold> sigh
[18:33] <sarnold> dmesg | pastebinit   is very handy :)
[18:36] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold my first problem is that i have no idea how to use it - i do not get any output.
[18:36] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: no output from dmesg??
[18:37] <sarnold> this is getting weirder and weirder
[18:37] <Wolf_Tongue> it is a virtual machine - but i think this has nothing to do with dmesg
[18:40] <sarnold> hmm. journalctl -k is supposed to also dump dmesg, but on my system it's just five lines. I expected hundreds or thousands.. sigh.
[18:43] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold journalctl -l produces one line: -- No entries --
[18:43] <Wolf_Tongue> :P
[18:44] <Wolf_Tongue> (sry -k)
[18:45] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: are your dmesg entries being logged somewhere else by something that might also be clearing the logs once done?
[18:46] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold i am using a webinterface to manage domain, email accounts, ftp, ... so i do not redirect anything but i can not tell if this sotware is doing something like that
[18:47] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: hmm. is this perhaps an openvz instance or something similar, rather than a real VM?
[18:47] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold It is hosted by strato - a german company. I do not know the technology which is used.
[18:53] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: their docs don't really make it clear .. they appear to have dedi, v-server, and managed servers; I get the slight impression that they're going to be using something like openvz for the v-servers and managed servers (at least one help page said something like you couldn't reboot them)
[18:57] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold i think it is something like openvz because i think they can access the filesystem and process list
[18:58] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold i try now to compile openssl using --openssldir=/etc/ssl/ - maybe it helps
[18:59] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: do note that you're in "on your own" territory if you replace the openssl packages with self-compiled
[19:00] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold yes but i think this is the last possible solution. if this is not working all my webpages and email is going down the next weeks which will lead me into renting a new vserver and moving all to the new one.
[19:01] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: well, maybe it's a moot point, if you've got a read-only filesystem... you won't be replacing anything until you sort that out
[19:02] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold during make install of openssl the readonly folder got removed, i now added the ln .........
[19:02] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold no sry i was in the wrong folder ... :-(
[19:08] <Wolf_Tongue> sarnold I think i move to a new server. thank you very much for your help! I appreciate that!
[19:08] <sarnold> Wolf_Tongue: good luck :)
[19:08] <Wolf_Tongue> thx
[19:12] <ali1234> well it turns out that just rebooting over and over never repros this bug on any kernel
[19:15] <ali1234> but the good news is i found a way to reproduce it with a very high probability of working
[19:15] <ali1234> but the bad news is it can't be done without phsyical access as it involves going in to the bios
[19:38] <feodoran> I need some help with grub: after changing the mainboard I get "error: no such decive ...". I boot with legacy BIOS mode. In grub rescue I only get "Filesystem unkown". any suggestions?
[19:40] <ioria> feodoran, you probably need to reinstall grub; you can do it from livecd or from the same grub rescue shell (the first is safer)
[19:41] <feodoran> ioria: ok thank you
[19:43] <ioria> feodoran, type 'ls' in the shell
[19:46] <feodoran> "ls (hd0)" gives "unkown filesystem", sorry if that was not clear enough the first time
[19:47] <ioria> feodoran, type   ls (hd0)
[19:48] <feodoran> ioria: that is what I keep talking about ...
[19:48] <ioria> feodoran, what's the output ?
[19:49] <feodoran> as I said: unkown partition
[19:49] <EriC^^> hd0 isnt a filesystem, it's a disk, try hd0,msdosX or gptX
[19:49] <feodoran> "try" does it not detect by itself and tell me?
[19:49] <ioria> feodoran, ls gives you just 'hd0' ?
[19:50] <EriC^^> feodoran: try just "ls" as ioria said
[19:50] <feodoran> ioria: well, I have 3 ssds, so it gives "(hd0) (hd1) (hd2)"
[19:51] <feodoran> EriC^^: yes, I did that before I started asking here
[19:51] <EriC^^> feodoran: yes we need the output
[19:51] <ioria> feodoran, ok, EriC^^ will help you , gl
[19:51] <EriC^^> what
[19:52] <feodoran> "(hd0): Fileystem unkown"
[19:53] <EriC^^> feodoran: can you boot a live usb?
[19:53] <feodoran> EriC^^: it is either very slow or get stuck during boot ... I need to try another USB port
[19:56] <EriC^^> feodoran: well from grub it looks like either the partitions are missing somehow, or there is some setting you need to put in the bios since you said you switched the mobo so it can read the partitions i guess
[19:56] <EriC^^> feodoran: you should see (hd0,msdos1) (hd0,msdos2) (hd0,msdos3) .... stuff like that
[19:57] <feodoran> EriC^^: but the grub rescue is from the linux isntallation, right? so it musst have found something ...
[19:57] <EriC^^> feodoran: yeah it's in the MBR
[19:58] <feodoran> ls only shows (hd0) (hd1) (hd2), so the disk but no partitions
[19:58] <EriC^^> right
[19:59] <feodoran> live usb keeps showing the kubuntu 19.04 loading screen ... even in safe graphics mode
[20:00] <OerHeks> UEFI involved?
[20:00] <feodoran> OerHeks: no
[20:03] <feodoran> shit ... how would that ryzen 3000 systemd bug manifest itself? I updated to the fixed systemd version before the hardware switch, but the live usb does not have the fix ...
[20:03] <feodoran> so live usb might not work without BIOS update
[20:05] <OerHeks> .. uh, bios update, if you did not do that, ..
[20:06] <feodoran> not yet, I did not really expect to need it, because of the patched systemd
[20:07] <OerHeks> really?
[20:10] <EriC^^> feodoran: how are you connecting these hdd sdd?
[20:10] <feodoran> EriC^^: what do you mean by how? SATA ...
[20:10] <EriC^^> k, so no i dunno gizmos or whatever
[20:11] <feodoran> gizmos?
[20:11] <EriC^^> i dunno dude, 90% of people with problems end up with some alien tech that they finally admit to using after getting caught red handed :D
[20:12] <EriC^^> just saying, if you're using anything unconventional, it would be a good time to say so
[20:14] <feodoran> not that I am aware of ... don't if you would call legacy BIOS mode unconventional
[20:41] <feodoran> should I be worried about this? "[drm:amdgpu_init [amdgpu]] *ERROR* VGACON dsiables amdgpu kernel modesetting."
[20:44] <feodoran> ok, linux live is booted, and correctly recognizes all partitions
[20:44] <OerHeks> without bios update, no
[20:44] <feodoran> OerHeks: and with bios update?
[20:45] <OerHeks> just saying; all you ask for cannot be answered properly
[20:46] <feodoran> OerHeks: what do you mean?
[20:48] <OerHeks> what part do you not understand? the need of the latest bios update?
[20:49] <feodoran> do I need to chroot to update grub from a live system?
[20:49] <OerHeks> if you file a bugreport, that is the first answer back to you.
[20:49] <feodoran> because without chroot I get: "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of '/cow'"
[20:50] <feodoran> OerHeks: what answer?
[20:51] <OerHeks> no, not going to repeat, good luck!
[20:51] <ali1234> yes, i too wonder what answer?
[20:52] <ali1234> how far back i got to scroll?
[20:52] <OerHeks> not far, just "bios update"
[20:53] <feodoran> OerHeks: I really cannot follow you ... not sure anymore if we are talking about the same thing
[20:53] <ali1234> you do need to chroot to run update grub btw
[20:53] <ali1234> else how would it find the config files?
[20:54] <feodoran> ali1234: I don't know ... magic? xD
[20:54] <feodoran> ali1234: but thanks
[21:01] <feodoran> damn, update-grub did not help ... in grub rescue I still only get the disks, no partitions
[21:01] <ali1234> you could try the grub console. it has autocomplete on tab. you might be able to figure out what the problem is that way
[21:01] <ali1234> or try bios update lol
[21:02] <feodoran> ali1234: I already updated the bios
[21:02] <ali1234> ok
[21:02] <ali1234> i was joking anyway :)
[21:02] <feodoran> ali1234: what do you mean by "grub console"?
[21:03] <feodoran> "grub rescue" or something else?
[21:03] <ali1234> grub has like a text shell where you can manually type in the boot command
[21:03] <ali1234> you can also do thins like list the disks available in the system, which might give you a clue what is going on
[21:03] <ali1234> you could also just back up all your files and re-install
[21:04] <feodoran> grub rescue? there ls outputs "(hd0) (hd1) (hd2) (hd3)", 3 disks, 1 usb
[21:04] <ali1234> it's a pain but it might be quicker than spending several hours debugging
[21:05] <ali1234> you can ls into the disks
[21:05] <ali1234> to see what is on them
[21:05] <ali1234> and try to figure out where your kernel is
[21:06] <ali1234> https://www.linux.com/tutorials/how-rescue-non-booting-grub-2-linux/ has a full example
[21:06] <feodoran> ali1234: no I can't, this only shows "Filesystem is unkown."
[21:06] <ali1234> well, there's you're problem
[21:08] <feodoran> ali1234: well, I reported that from the very beginning ... any suggestions?
[21:08] <ali1234> and you can mount the disks okay from a live cd?
[21:08] <feodoran> ali1234: yes
[21:09] <ali1234> are you using grub rescue from your hard drive or from the live cd?
[21:10] <feodoran> not sure, I guess the hard drive
[21:10] <feodoran> because it should not boot from usb unless explicitly told to
[21:10] <ali1234> try booting from usb and entering grub that way, and then doing the ls
[21:10] <feodoran> how do I enter this grub console?
[21:11] <ali1234> there should be an option on the live cd boot menu to do this
[21:11] <ali1234> but i have not used it for a while
[21:11] <feodoran> ok let me check
[21:11] <ali1234> try holding down left shift while booting
[21:12] <feodoran> I am at the UNetbootin screen
[21:12] <ali1234> oh, that's not grub :(
[21:12] <ali1234> tbh this is so weird, i would just reinstall at this point
[21:12] <feodoran> no, but can I get there by selection "start kubuntu"?
[21:13] <feodoran> ali1234: not again :(
[21:13] <ali1234> why do you have three hard drives?
[21:14] <ali1234> can you remove the ones that aren't the boot drive?
[21:16] <feodoran> ali1234: 1 old with win7 (just in case), 1 for data, 1 for linux
[21:16] <ali1234> you might need to fully re-install grub, ie with grub-install
[21:17] <ali1234> or you could try the boot-repair tool on the livecd, if it is still there
[21:17] <ali1234> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:18] <ali1234> oh, it isn't on the livecd, you have to install it
[21:18] <ali1234> no idea if those instructions still work
[21:20] <feodoran> so that win7 disk is still booting (if that info helps in any way)
[21:36] <feodoran> if I do "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair", why do I get "Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~yannubuntu/ubuntu/boot-repair'." that is not what I entered ...
[21:38] <ali1234> feodoran: because what you types is just a shortcut
[21:38] <feodoran> ali1234: I see. also internet did not work.
[21:39] <ali1234> the ppa definitely still exists so that is something
[21:40] <ali1234> you need to be running a currently supported live cd as well
[21:40] <feodoran> yes I got it now
[21:40] <OerHeks> run sudo apt update first, then add ppa
[21:47] <feodoran> is it possible for some NTFS to have grub in its MBR, possibly from some previous linux install?
[21:52] <feodoran> because if I only connect the storage disk I get that grub rescue, but there is (currently) no OS installed on it
[22:05] <brenster21> So great news I got my two drives working again. bad new now the one drive that was working is saying that it is exclusively opened and wont remount.
[22:09] <brenster21> So right now one of my drives wont mount to ubuntu stating that it is already exclusively mounted somewhere. fuser returns I/O error on both the drive and mount points.
[22:10] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Remind us what file system is on that problematic drive.
[22:10] <brenster21> ntfs
[22:10] <brenster21> Bashin-om windows fixed two drives (one of which i thought i was going to have to chuck)
[22:12] <WoC> is it possible to low level format a sata hdd ? if so, how ?
[22:12]  * brenster21 does owe bashing-om a cold beer or whiskey 
[22:13] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Well, same same as last. Windows file system fixes for Windows operating system - small issues ubuntu's 'ntfsfix' night address.
[22:13] <brenster21> will give it a quick try.
[22:13] <Bashing-om> might*
[22:13] <brenster21> not leaving my house till they are all running
[22:14] <genii> WoC: Not usually. Some manufactureres which produce same models in SCSI or SAS sometimes have low-level formatting utilities for those models, but not usually for regular SATA
[22:14] <apekatten> I have desktop (disco) and a server (bionic), both with the same timezone and synced with the same WDC. Still the server is 1 hour to fast. Any ideas?
[22:14] <WoC> k ty genii
[22:15] <OerHeks> sounds like daylight saving time issue
[22:16] <apekatten> yes, but is that not defined in the timezone?
[22:17] <apekatten> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HZ696ktZq5/
[22:18] <apekatten> correct time in timezone is 00:18
[22:19] <OerHeks> timedatectl
[22:20] <WoC> apekatten, you in Central European Time (CEST Currently) ?
[22:20] <apekatten> WoC: no, Europe/Oslo
[22:20] <WoC> oh, akkurat
[22:21] <sarnold> Tue Aug 27 01:14:36 CEST 2019
[22:21] <sarnold> ti. 27. aug. 00:16:00 +0200 2019
[22:21] <sarnold> are you *sure* the TZ or /etc/timezone on those is identical?
[22:21] <apekatten> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Fqxv3F2T4H/
[22:22] <apekatten> sarnold: yes! I have set it multiple times now
[22:22] <apekatten> cat /etc/timezone says Europe/Oslo on both
[22:22] <brenster21> bashing-om second dumb question so i am running ubuntu on my laptop i use it as a server for some reason it has started to go to sleep when lid closes. I set system settings for it to do nothing anything else i can change running 16.04
[22:23] <apekatten> I tried both "tzconfigure" and "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata"
[22:24] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Have to ask of others - No idea on that one :( - You are aware however that running a server on a lap top is a bad idea - right ?
[22:24] <brenster21> yes it is an old gaming laptop, I only keep it for running plex
[22:25] <brenster21> the battery died a few years ago
[22:25] <sarnold> apekatten: hmm, it's *weird* that they report different UTC time
[22:25] <sarnold> apekatten: what's chronyc sources  report?
[22:27] <apekatten> vhrony is not installed on desktop, but on server it says 210 number of sources = 0
[22:27] <apekatten> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XCQkq2Hyhg/ here is a more complete paste
[22:28] <genii> brenster21: Look for HandleLidSwitch in /etc/systemd/logind.conf ..uncomment and change default value from suspend to ignore
[22:30] <sarnold> apekatten: hah, I'm not sure if it's better or worse, but now they are *both* wrong :)
[22:30] <brenster21> genii looking right now, it is strange since this is a recent change.
[22:31] <apekatten> sarnold: can it be related to the question similar to "is hardware clock UTC?" during installation? it is possible I made the wrong choice, but I did expect it to correct itself when syncing  :P
[22:31] <genii> brenster21: Before systemd it was done by a shell script in /etc/acpi but it's changed for a while now
[22:32] <sarnold> apekatten: maybe; if one of the systems runs windows, windows may sync the "local time" to the hardware clock, screwing you up good..
[22:32] <brenster21> genii awe that makes sense. could it be lidswitchignoreinhibited?
[22:32] <sarnold> apekatten: but timedatectl on both reports "RTC in local TZ: no
[22:32] <apekatten> nope, Ubuntu only. the desktop was upgraded from cosmic a few weeks ago, but that is the correct one
[22:33] <sarnold> apekatten: I'm surprised your server has 0 sources available; the default config ought to be able to find several :(
[22:33] <apekatten> sarnold: that mighjt be because I limit NTP traffic in the firewwall. they are only allowed to talk NTP to my domain controller
[22:34] <sarnold> apekatten: hmm. are they configured correctly?
[22:34] <apekatten> check the "rdate -n 192.168.123.11" command
[22:35] <brenster21> bashing-OM well one of the drives got disconnectted
[22:35] <genii> brenster21: I'm not sure exactky what that one is for, but I have my lid switch ignored with the value I said earlier,  HandleLidSwitch set to ignore
[22:35] <sarnold> apekatten: sure, but that doesn't say that the chrony of the one and the systemd-timesyncd of the other are both configured to query *that* server
[22:36] <apekatten> nah, thats true, but I have not expected them to sync either
[22:36] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Wel ! That will cause issues every time :P ... locking SATA cables are good things :D
[22:37] <sarnold> apekatten: heh, and are you sure your firewall rules allow your internal ntp server to sync to the internet? or do you have a gps source?
[22:37] <brenster21> no i mean i got the not authorized to mount disk error. and after checking that drive mount still says exclusively opened
[22:38] <apekatten> yes, the domain controller 192.168.123.11 is the only host allowed to NTP the internet, and it is working
[22:38] <brenster21> bashing-om this is fstab file with those drives https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/MHzKqxYgbG/
[22:39] <apekatten> the problem is not the DC or sync. it is the desktop and server not using the data similarly
[22:40] <sarnold> apekatten: are you sure? in this paste the only problem I see is that both systems are one hour wrong: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XCQkq2Hyhg/ -- it'
[22:40] <sarnold> iut's now Mon Aug 26 22:40:07 UTC 2019
[22:40] <apekatten> sarnold: I'll make another, I start doubting that paste myself .p
[22:41] <WoC> genii, know anything about amd graphics ?
[22:41] <sarnold> apekatten: I suggest starting with date -u output and making sure that both are either one hour fast or on time or whatever with what their kernel knows of the time..
[22:41] <sarnold> apekatten: once that's sorted out, then dealing with the timezones will be a lot easier
[22:42] <genii> WoC: Not much these days, I've switched all my systems over to NVidias
[22:43] <apekatten> sarnold: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yCBbZCg8Td/
[22:43] <apekatten> how would I set UTC time?
[22:43] <apekatten> UTC differs by one hour on the two computers
[22:44] <sarnold> it's best to just let an ntpd do it -- either chrony or systemd-timesycd, take your pick; picking the same thing for both systems will make it easier to change your internal NTP server if you need to
[22:44] <mobb_solo> Howdy, All
[22:44] <sarnold> hello mobb_solo
[22:45] <apekatten> sarnold: see the last paste line 32, 34 and 46
[22:45] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Pretty skimpy - have a read: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1604251.
[22:45] <apekatten> I pasted the commands to be similar, but it seem to be set correctly, and then changed afterward
[22:46] <sarnold> apekatten: oh *curious*, so running timedatectl doesn't just *emit* data, but it also SCREWS UP the time on the system???
[22:47] <brenster21> bashing-om thank you, reading it now
[22:50] <brenster21> so I should change auto to ntfs-3g, auto, uid=1000, gid=1000, umoast002, 0 0.
[22:51] <WoC> genii, ty, appreciated... as would i
[22:52] <Bashing-om> brenster21: "something" like that .. what you want to allow for access is your decision, only you can make that determination.
[22:52] <brenster21> well it is mostly for plex so I think I want the drives to be owned by my user and freely accessible by plex
[22:53] <apekatten> sarnold: something is changing the time within 0.1 seconds. it is not the command timedatectl - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GVQqKfpS8r/
[22:54] <apekatten> line 26 is correct, and line 28 it is wrong again
[22:55] <Bashing-om> brenster21: That is the function of "groups" .. see: ' man groups 'to get an idea of where to begin.
[22:55] <brenster21> I was just reading it
[22:55] <brenster21> i got plex in the same group as my main user
[22:56] <Bashing-om> brMe thinks ya got it backwards .. but I can be wrong .. ya want ":
[22:56] <sarnold> apekatten: I wonder how many ntp-alike services you're running at once..
[22:57] <apekatten> sarnold: sorry, this was the desktop, the server is not changing... what would change it on the desktop, that is not present on server?
[22:57] <apekatten> yeah, me too
[22:57] <brenster21> Bashing-om woops, i probably do have it backwards gonna go fix that
[22:57] <OerHeks> sarnold, thinking the same, timedatectl gives different output
[22:57] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Yuk ! Pay attention Bashing-om ! ..ya want "you" in the plex's group, no ?
[22:58] <brenster21> no I want plex in my user's group since my user should ideally own external drives
[22:58] <OerHeks> sudo timedatectl set-ntp on # should put all in place
[22:59] <Bashing-om> brenster21: :) that too should work.
[22:59] <OerHeks> plex .. not all functions work in the free version, like extended drives IIRC
[22:59] <brenster21> i got paid :)
[23:00] <OerHeks> oke, just checking
[23:00] <brenster21> I am running some updates I posted poned for way to long, then i am going to start it and pray that this thing works properly
[23:01] <mobb_solo> I have a quick question..
[23:01] <mobb_solo> Will editing my server's HOSTNAME effect my HTTPS certificates?
[23:02] <mobb_solo> Like, would I have to regenerate them with letsencrypt or something?
[23:02] <mobb_solo> same domain + ip address
[23:02] <apekatten> sarnold: thank you for your help! I will check out what ntp sources I have :)
[23:03] <sarnold> mobb_solo: that should be fine so long as your apache knows the certificate to use with which Hostname: from https requests
[23:03] <sarnold> apekatten: once you track this thing down, can you report back? :) I'm really curious..
[23:03] <sarnold> apekatten: (and if you're completely lost I've got some auditd rules I can share that track time changes, I *think* they would do the job)
[23:03] <apekatten> sarnold: will do :)
[23:04] <sarnold> apekatten: cool, thanks! :)
[23:04] <mobb_solo> @sarnold, Thank you. Thats sort of what I figured.
[23:09] <apekatten> sarnold: I think I've fixed it, but dont know why...
[23:10] <apekatten> it turns out my WDC had not corrected the time based on daylight savings and was 1 hour wrong
[23:10] <sarnold> oh that's *so* frustrating..
[23:10] <sarnold> windows has some funny ideas on what time should be
[23:10] <apekatten> it works like a charm now, however, when setting the wrong time again it still works with that time
[23:11] <sarnold> I *really* prefer unix's idea of just tracking seconds since the epoch and handliong daylight saving in *display* code
[23:11] <apekatten> I cannot reproduce the error anymore
[23:11] <sarnold> so if you can use a unix system for your ntp source you'll probably be happier
[23:11] <apekatten> all windows clients are based on the WDC, cannot change that
[23:12] <sarnold> well, at least they're all crazy together. :)
[23:12] <apekatten> but I really dont understand why it is not "correcting" the wrong time anymore. I changed the WDC to 1 hour wroing again, now all machines are 1 hour wrong :P
[23:13] <apekatten> well I am going to sleep on that. cause correct time is 01 :P have a good night sarnold, and thank you very much
[23:14] <sarnold> apekatten: heh, it's harder to overlook that isn't it? :)
[23:14] <sarnold> apekatten: gnight, good luck
[23:22] <brenster21> well fuck me, after the reboot ubuntu is now emergency mode. :(
[23:27] <brenster21> bashing-om so now i am in recovery mode. I think the hdaudio heaudioicc1d0 is giving me the error.
[23:39] <Bashing-om> brenster21: can not imagine that an audio codex thingy could push one to emergency mode. What does the boot log say ' journalctl -b -0 ' for the current boot.
[23:40] <brenster21> bashing-om pulling it up now
[23:43] <brenster21> I found two acpi errors no handler for region, region embedded control, parse execution fail, core temperature rose above thersolder cpu throttled. no caching mode found
[23:43] <brenster21> failed to mount drives
[23:44] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Cleaned the lap top air ways lately .. overheating is not a good thing !
[23:44] <brenster21> HD audioic no afg or msg node found
[23:44] <brenster21> havent cleaned them in a while
[23:45] <Bashing-om> brenster21: If it is running hot - no telling what the power supply is doing :(
[23:46] <brenster21> I guess I will go look up a teardown menu
[23:48] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Heat issues is the number one reason why one should not run a server on a lap top.
[23:48] <brenster21> I keep it elevated and use the gamer fans. though I do see what you mean
[23:51] <Bashing-om> brenster21: :) .. depending on what the ACPI issues are .. might want to change that DSDT - http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html .
[23:52] <brenster21> bashing-om noted, but first i need to find a teardown guide and a screwdriver.
[23:52] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Yup :P .. one thing and a step at the time . Got to be cool :P
[23:53] <brenster21> bashing-om i got a can of dust remover spray, but i lost the straw :(
[23:54] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Pretty handy to have that straw .. hard to work-a-round without it :(
[23:57] <brenster21> :(