[00:27] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: application data bag state changes: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10539
[00:43] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: why do we need Role in relationApplicationSettingsKey? isn't "r#123#mysql" enough?
[00:44] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: I wasn't sure it was guaranteed to be unique - can you ever relate an application to itself?
[00:45] <wallyworld> no, that's what peer relations are for
[00:47] <babbageclunk> well, peer relations are for relations that can only be for this application. I mean, could you have an application that has a require and provide endpoint with the same interface, where the other end could be a different application, but could also be the same application
[00:47] <babbageclunk> ?
[00:48] <babbageclunk> It just seemed like including the role avoids that question
[00:48] <wallyworld> technically but i would hope we disallow that
[00:48] <wallyworld> now you've made me want to check
[00:48]  * babbageclunk makes a charm to see
[00:48] <babbageclunk> ha
[00:50] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: doesn't seem possible, i get "no relations found"
[00:50] <wallyworld> which is reassuring
[00:54] <babbageclunk> well still, there's nothing in the data model that prevents it - if anything it would make more sense to remove application, but that seems a bit weird.
[01:04] <wallyworld> but it is something juju disallows and doesn't make sense semantically
[01:11] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: lgtm modulo the role in the id
[01:39] <thumper> ugh...
[01:39] <thumper> while looking at one intermittent failure in TestCharmProfilingInfoError I found another
[01:39] <thumper> perhaps it is the same problem in a different guise
[01:39]  * thumper digs more
[02:03] <thumper> quick review for someone: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10570
[02:05] <wallyworld> thumper: lgtm
[02:06] <thumper> wallyworld: cheers
[02:06] <thumper> anastasiamac: speak of the devil
[02:06] <thumper> anastasiamac: I was wanting to hand you a nice PR, but wallyworld just looked at it instead
[02:06] <thumper> anastasiamac: was this one... https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10570
[02:08] <anastasiamac> thumper: devil!! DEVIL! maybe at least d'evil :D ?
[02:08] <thumper> heh
[02:08] <thumper> Dr Evil?
[02:08] <anastasiamac> niiice! thnx wallyworld  - so delighted u  r holding the fort :D
[02:08] <anastasiamac> nuh.. not a dr and dont want to b one...
[02:09] <thumper> I had thought about studying for a PhD
[02:09] <anastasiamac> thumper: but since u r in the talking mood, do u have a sec to talk about that test i mentioned yesterday
[02:09] <thumper> but I couldn't think of anything that I really wanted to study that badly for three years
[02:09] <thumper> anastasiamac: sure
[02:09] <anastasiamac> 1:1?
[02:09] <thumper> omw
[04:34] <timClicks> thumper: could you create the hello-juju repo and authorise juju hackers to push to it?
[04:34] <thumper> timClicks: in a minute
[04:34] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: loved 'show-action' PR btw :) thank you !
[04:34] <thumper> otp
[04:35] <wallyworld> thanks for reviewing
[04:35] <anastasiamac> anytime :D
[04:35] <wallyworld> i have another almost ready, pending tests
[04:35] <anastasiamac> \o/
[04:35] <wallyworld> all part of actions v2
[04:36] <anastasiamac> i have one to go too.. jsut doing live tests now to fill out details.. 'll b epic
[04:37] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: i didn't change the existing test infrastructure for show cmd, as i neede to use what we had already for list action tests
[04:37] <timClicks> thumper: oh also hello-juju-charm
[04:38] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: yeah it's fine.. m more curious if u r keen to change to use cmd.Output :)
[04:38] <wallyworld> probs, otp, will look properly in a bit
[04:38] <anastasiamac> nws
[05:14] <thumper> anastasiamac: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10571
[05:14] <thumper> anastasiamac: a very simple fix in the end
[05:33] <thumper> jam: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10571 for what we talked about before
[05:45]  * thumper opens up the PR for any takers
[05:45] <thumper> hpidcock, kelvinliu, wallyworld, babbageclunk: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10571
[05:47] <kelvinliu> thumper: lgtm ,thanks!
[05:47] <thumper> kelvinliu: thanks
[05:50] <anastasiamac> thumper: \o/ how did i miss the ping?  :(
[05:50] <anastasiamac> well done!!!
[05:50] <thumper> anastasiamac: no idea
[05:50] <thumper> I thought you were just ignoring me :-P
[05:51] <anastasiamac> i would not dare :P
[06:05] <kelvinliu> np
[06:12]  * thumper is done
[06:12] <thumper> later peeps
[06:22] <babbageclunk> hey jam, the application data bag prs we were talking about are https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10539 (state changes) and https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10572 (apiserver)
[11:42] <parlos> Good Morning Juju!
[15:36] <stickupkid> anyone around for a CR https://github.com/juju/os/pull/11
[15:41] <hml> stickupkid: looking
[15:48] <stickupkid> hml, yeah, good shout, i'll do that now
[15:49] <hml> stickupkid: i’m not parsing the comments around DefaultSupportedLTS().  …
[15:49] <hml> stickupkid: the example reads to be what juju 2.3.x shouldn’t have for a defaul tto me
[15:50] <hml> stickupkid: done
[15:51] <stickupkid> hml, that was copy and pasted from juju source code
[15:51] <hml> ha
[15:52] <hml> stickupkid: from < 2015
[15:52] <hml> ?
[15:52] <stickupkid> yeah
[16:02] <stickupkid> hml, done
[16:04] <hml> stickupkid: looking
[16:05] <hml> stickupkid: approved