 oh
 it detects it as one touch (single finger)
[02:12] <hallyn> oh noes - android apps are not supported on my little nexus 4?
[02:13] <hallyn> oh well libertine is more interesting anyway
[02:34] <hallyn> hm, https://maliit.github.io/   "based on the *abandoned* ubuntu keyboard".  wonder if there are plans to move ubports to maliit2?
[02:35] <hallyn> course no updates to it in 2years
 i dunno if two isn't maintained what benefits would that have?
 Hmm some features perhaps?
 @hallyn [hm, https://maliit.github.io/   "based on the *abandoned* ubuntu keyboard".  won …], Eh? Maliit is the gnome osk too. So not sure where the confusion us here
[03:26] <hallyn> Yeah I'm just looking for a cheap way to get swype, but not finding it.  Unless I can build okboard.
 you can closer with flick?
[03:30] <hallyn> ooh, skeyer?
[03:31] <hallyn> flick?  need to google that
[03:33] <hallyn> .... i dunno, https://jollafr.org/skeyer-un-clavier-de-type-swipe-en-cours-de-developpement-pour-sailfish-osskeyer-un-clavier-de-type-swype-en-cours-de-developpement-pour-sailfish-os/   it's demo'd on ubuntu touch, but that's all i can find
 @TotalSonic [the OnePlus One works excellently with UT - it was my daily driver for many mont …], Thanks, Steven. I bought it. Hope to try it soon.
 @FinlayDaG33k [Does this only happen with 16.04 devel? because that sounds like something *migh …], I now it sounds like a worn out port, but the cable sits snugly and secure, and tbe indicator flickered even when the phone and cable were perfectly still.
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/ydmY9pP0.png
 The graph is quite odd as well. From that first lowest point i started charging, and it jumped and got stuck on 38%, then the next jump is where i shut down, pulled tbe battery and rebooted. It jumped to 58% but wouldnt charge properly. It seems to drop back down to that 38% point, then decides to charge for a bit, then decides to do t
[05:27] <ubptgbot> hat weird parabolic shape and then jumps to 100% but instead of staying there, it is a bit of a jagged line.
 @YougoChats [The graph is quite odd as well. From that first lowest point i started charging, …], Perhaps the battery needs recalibration?
 This looks like an interesting tablet for potential UT support.  Are there any particular barriers towards getting UT going on a Raspberry Pi platform - or would something like this be something that UT could be viably ported onto? … https://liliputing.com/2019/08/cutiepi-is-an-open-source-raspberry-pi-based-tablet-coming-in-late-2019.
[05:46] <ubptgbot> html
 @TotalSonic [This looks like an interesting tablet for potential UT support.  Are there any p …], There is a room for Raspberry Pi, which concerns porting to that platform.  I'm not keeping an eye on it but success there would bode well for this tablet (and similar).
 @YougoChats [I now it sounds like a worn out port, but the cable sits snugly and secure, and …], Can be still a hardware issue. You might want to try to reseat the usb port module and clean the contacts etc
 Fairphone 3 is coming! Will there be support for Ubuntu touch? :))))
[07:15] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Flohack [Can be still a hardware issue. You might want to try to reseat the usb port modu …], I've sometimes had to use a pin or needle to remove pocket lint from the usb port.
 @demone011 [Fairphone 3 is coming! Will there be support for Ubuntu touch? :))))], We were surprised by them, so current state is: We dont know. Also its Android 9, for which we have no support yet in general
 @demone011 [Fairphone 3 is coming! Will there be support for Ubuntu touch? :))))], https://www.fairphone.com/en/2019/08/27/launching-fairphone-3/   … Very coming :) … (but i'm surprised like Florian)
 @John (Marlin) [I've sometimes had to use a pin or needle to remove pocket lint from the usb por …], port looks clean to me, but i'll take my phone apart and clean it where i can. never hurts to do that :-)
 @John (Marlin) [I've sometimes had to use a pin or needle to remove pocket lint from the usb por …], [Edit] port looks clean to me, but i'll take my phone apart and clean whatever can can find in the port and elswhere. never hurts to do that :-)
 @John (Marlin) [I've sometimes had to use a pin or needle to remove pocket lint from the usb por …], [Edit] port looks clean to me, but i'll take my phone apart and clean whatever i can find in the port and elswhere. never hurts to do that :-)
 Does anyone know which was the most recent Dekko 2 build for 15.04? And do you happen to have a click for it? I don't recall seeing onr last time I searched Telegram.
 @Flohack [We were surprised by them, so current state is: We dont know. Also its Android 9 …], I'm close getting Mir to render on 9, but may need help for properly integrating mir-android-platform changes later
 @Flohack [We were surprised by them, so current state is: We dont know. Also its Android 9 …], [Edit] I'm close to getting Mir to render on 9, but may need help for properly integrating mir-android-platform changes later
[10:37] <ubptgbot> Vincent was added by: Vincent
 Hi i have a question concerning an Aquaris M10 FHD. I bricked it while accidentally interrupting the flashing of the tablet. (I thought the installation of u Ubuntu did not happen. Very slow I guess?) … Has anyone had this before and what can I do? :’(
 @Vincent [Hi i have a question concerning an Aquaris M10 FHD. I bricked it while accidenta …], Does it show any sign of life? If you power on the device while holding Power+VolUp, do you get a boot menu?
 No nothing, no sign of life
 (Thanks for replying)
 (I’ve been looking at a bq aquaris m10 stock firmware (flash file) reinstallation package on firmwarefile.com. But I have no clue if it will work in my case. … It’s for windows so I am preparing my windows but problem installing android gadget CDC driver. It says there is no digital signature.)
 you can use Linux version of SP FlashTool to do full flash
 Hi Vincent, did you use SP flash tool to flash the old ubuntu image first? if you went straight from android to the latest UT using the ubports installer the install would fail indeed.  … you can probably use SP flash tool to flash either android or the old ubuntu image and start over.
 SP flash tool is a powerful tool though. so do be careful
 and make sure the device is well charged
 in theory it doesn't matter for flash tool as in that mode it will draw power from USB and it *should* be enough
[11:12] <ubptgbot> Jacob Dunn was added by: Jacob Dunn
[11:13] <ubptgbot> <Jacob Dunn> (Photo, 200x200) https://irc.ubports.com/SCMZC2dP.png v mjpy g
[11:13] <ubptgbot> <Jacob Dunn> (Photo, 800x491) https://irc.ubports.com/Dmgd53WO.png
 I don't get the point of those spambots, does anyone really believe it?
 @YougoChats [Hi Vincent, did you use SP flash tool to flash the old ubuntu image first? if yo …], Hi Hugo, yes i used The sp flash tool as instructed.
 you can try that again
 @YougoChats [you can try that again], It didn’t pass the “DA” (download all ?) status. A red bar. And it took very long so I disconnected to start over.. now it is dead and when retrying nothing happens.
 Also we should better move this conversation to our Welcome & install room https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 (Photo, 1000x750) https://irc.ubports.com/3472BpTr.png
 This notification father one night of waiting
 (Photo, 1000x750) https://irc.ubports.com/86T9BQ7h.png
 is it possible to disconnect battery, then try again?
 or maybe long power press
 [Edit] is it possible to disconnect battery, reconnect, then try again?
 (Can speak in Dutch, Hugo, by the way, it’s easier for me because I’m not really experienced. But I guess it’s not allowed here)
 @NotKit [is it possible to disconnect battery, reconnect, then try again?], No, it is built in. Should I open it? Would it really help? ;)
 @NotKit [or maybe long power press], No, won’t help
 when you plug the device in, how is it detected in dmesg?
 @YougoChats [Also we should better move this conversation to our Welcome & install room https …], I’m sorry missed this message
 should be something like "MediaTek preloaded"
 [Edit] should be something like "MediaTek preloader"
 Don’t know
 I’ll move the conversation
[11:45] <ubptgbot> d4rM_Official was added by: d4rM_Official
 finally got my hands on a nexus 5.. anything to keep in mind when installing ubp touch?
 @Taekky [finally got my hands on a nexus 5.. anything to keep in mind when installing ubp …], We got an installer update in progress you might want to test latest version. And fully charge your device :)
 thanks! also happy to say I became a patron. 👍 awesome work.
 @hallyn [Yeah I'm just looking for a cheap way to get swype, but not finding it.  Unless …], since swype is patented, we're not likely to get it. there was some work in a branch of ubuntu-keyboard back in the day to start on something similar, but it's incomplete and never landed.
[13:08] <hallyn> dohbee - i wonder how it's implemented in okboards then.  did they just do it ever so slightly different, or say "to hell with patents" ?
[13:09] <hallyn> There was a guy in 2015 working on an implementation for maliik, but he dropped off pretty quickly.  wonder if i can incentivice him t oshare the patches he has
 @hallyn [dohbee - i wonder how it's implemented in okboards then.  did they just do it ev …], no idea what they did. never heard of it until you just mentioned it
 @hallyn [There was a guy in 2015 working on an implementation for maliik, but he dropped …], yeah, ellio? that's the incomplete work on ubuntu-keyboard/maliit i mentioned
[13:12] <hallyn> no this was called 'skeyer'.
[13:15]  * hallyn needs to yell at kirkland
[13:16] <hallyn> now, nuance announced no more supported versions didn't they?  I wonder if they'd be open to a grant.  Might be worth emailing them.
 there are many swype-like keyboard nowadays right? I wonder how they don't violate the patent....or perhaps they're just rebranded and has official permission?
 I think glide-typing is from Google?
[13:19] <hallyn> https://www.osnews.com/story/27822/sailfish-to-get-3rd-party-swipe-keyboard-despite-patents/   they do
[13:19] <hallyn> IBM used to have the patent on swype, sold it to nuance :(  If they'd held onto it mayb eit would have been given away with some of their other liberated ones
[13:20] <hallyn> anyway, screw it - sent them a 'contact us'.  doubt i'll hear back but can't hurt
 i think nuance bought Swype for other associated technology
 anyway, when most people say "i want swype" they aren't actually talking about swype
[13:25] <hallyn> they're not?
[13:38] <MCMiic> I want messagease :-O
 so on this topic, i remember i contacted ... can't remember first name .. Sheldon maybe was last name.  He had started work on a 'swype-like' keyboard input.  I believe it has made some progress already and just needs someone to finish. Not sure if this information is helpful.
 @hallyn [they're not?], most people just mean "glide" typing in general, as pretty much every android phone has a keyboard by default which does it. Swype itself was last released in 2014 in play store, and was a paid app iirc, and taken down last year.
 @wayneoutthere [so on this topic, i remember i contacted ... can't remember first name .. Sheldo …], yes, ellio was one of the main ubuntu-keyboard developers before canonical dropped unity and phones and laid off most everyone working on it
 yeah - him! I think he made Podbird, too (yay Mike)
 I searched and I think this is the package for the project he started for this keyboard stuff: … https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/ubuntu-keyboard/skeyer-prototype
 This is actually quite important.  My mom is unable to switch (80+ years old) because with arthritis she needs this kind of keyboard input :(
 [Edit] This is actually quite important.  My mom is unable to switch (80+ years old) from Android because with arthritis she needs this kind of keyboard input :(
[13:51] <hallyn> dohbee: i'll have to look at the other glide kbds, but basically anything that is like swype, gliding over the letters of the word, should fall under kirkland's patent (unfortunately).  when i say 'swype' i mean that, not the product.  pretty sure that was his original name, but maybe i'm wrong about that
[13:52] <hallyn> but anyway on this tiny screen hunt and peck is going to give me a headache :)
 you're welcome to finish off ellio's work :)
[14:02] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @YougoChats [port looks clean to me, but i'll take my phone apart and clean whatever i can fi …], If you're going to take it that far apart, you can clean the contacts on the ribbon cable as well. Some have said that these legacy devices have had bad wear and tear on the usb ports though, so a new port may be needed in some cases.
[14:04] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Vincent [(I’ve been looking at a bq aquaris m10 stock firmware (flash file) reinstallatio …], You have to go into Windows settings to enable unsigned drivers. I think it's in the special recovery menu, not regular settings or control panel.
 @John (Marlin) [If you're going to take it that far apart, you can clean the contacts on the rib …], It’s a Fairphone so I can take the bottom module out. I’m not going to risk breaking things by opening the modules
[14:29] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @hallyn [dohbee: i'll have to look at the other glide kbds, but basically anything that i …], Swype is a trade name. Swipe is the generic English language term. I would think that since Google ASOP and Gboard use swipe technology, the patent doesn't cover look alike products.
 @John (Marlin) [You have to go into Windows settings to enable unsigned drivers. I think it's in …], Thanks, I did that before.
 @John (Marlin) [Swype is a trade name. Swipe is the generic English language term. I would think …], pretty sure the patent covers it, but there are multiple conflicting  patents too. but anyway, we don't have it, and you can't install alternate keyboards on UT.
[14:40] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @dohbee [you're welcome to finish off ellio's work :)], This is the best pathway.
 Hello everyone. Has anyone here had problems askingthe device to forget Bluetooth connections in OTA-10? N5.
[15:04] <ubptgbot> tio_im was added by: tio_im
[15:04] <ubptgbot> <Umang Vanani> is redmi note 6 pro supported by Ubuntu touch?
 no, only https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
[15:28] <hallyn> where's the code for ellio's work?
 @anime_ted [Hello everyone. Has anyone here had problems askingthe device to forget Bluetoot …], I tried on N4 and it works. But only when Bluetooth is active..
[15:58] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @hallyn [where's the code for ellio's work?], Is this the same? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard
[16:16] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> Anything useful here? … https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/maliit-keyboard
 @hallyn [where's the code for ellio's work?], https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/ubuntu-keyboard/skeyer-prototype/+merge/254008
 would need to be converted to git and rebased on https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component to start
 does anyone know how to change the hour format? i can't find the option for 24hour format
 @JonRG [does anyone know how to change the hour format? i can't find the option for 24ho …], you can only set it by changing language to a locale with 24-hour time by default, for now. see https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/863
[16:48] <gitbot> ubports issue 863 in ubuntu-touch "Date & Time Format settings independent from display language" [Enhancement, Help Wanted, Open]
 hmm, I remember there was something with changing the indicator settings too I think
 Not sure though
 it doesn't work for some reason, and would only affect the indicator anyway, so lock screen and clock would still not be 24 hr
 hmm okay, thnx
[17:05] <hallyn> dohbee - thanks , i've also been pointed at some history, looks like i dn't need to worry about the patent (which is owned by lenovo and hasn't been enforced)
[17:06] <hallyn> i'll look at finishing it
[17:06] <hallyn> but only if i can get some scripts to improve the network on this thing.  i need it to auto-rejoin the 3G network when wifi goes down
[17:07] <hallyn> don't see a gui way, so maybe i just do a while ping loop and nmcli up the broadband
 it should switch automatically, but there may be some bugs with networkmanager/ofono interaction there still
 @hallyn [don't see a gui way, so maybe i just do a while ping loop and nmcli up the broad …], if you switch airplane mode on, wait a couple seconds, and switch it back off, it should "force" a sort of reset, since it kills the radio
 hi
 I think a crucial concern with glide/swipe typing on UT is that it would conflict with the down swipe gesture of the OSK
 When the new dash going to land in dev chanel?
 @mpnegro [When the new dash going to land in dev chanel?], when the critical regressions are solved, and we've agreed to ship it in the next OTA
 ok
 thks
[17:32] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Javacookies [I think a crucial concern with glide/swipe typing on UT is that it would conflic …], I have the same gestures on my Android keyboard and they don't conflict.
[18:49] <hallyn> is there a better terminal?  bc scrolling etc on this one is driving me mad
 no, but you're welcome to report bugs and submit PRs :)
[18:57] <hallyn> yeah i need to work on a list
[18:57] <hallyn> but i just need to get far enough that i can rely on this thing so i can get $dayjob done :)
[18:57] <hallyn> i think my 3g problem is with the sim , it just won't connect at all right now,
[18:57] <hallyn> 'nmcli con' shows 3 GSM connections...  that doesn't seem right
 curious:  has anyone tested whether Launcher Modular works correctly to replace the App Drawer in Edge?
 @dohbee [when the critical regressions are solved, and we've agreed to ship it in the nex …], wow - really going to happen in OTA-11?  We're really that close?
 @dohbee [when the critical regressions are solved, and we've agreed to ship it in the nex …], [Edit] wow - really going to happen in OTA-11?  We're really that close?  Is that for the dev channel only - or for the stable release?
 @TotalSonic [curious:  has anyone tested whether Launcher Modular works correctly to replace …], of course it doesn't, because one cannot replace the app drawer. that it 'replaces' the dash for scopes is an extremely ugly hack
 @TotalSonic [wow - really going to happen in OTA-11?  We're really that close?  Is that for t …], no, unity8 update won't be in ota 11
 @dohbee [of course it doesn't, because one cannot replace the app drawer. that it 'replac …], ok - thanks.  Was curious.  I really like many aspects of the Launcher Modular, although I am not using it as default because it is currently missing support for apps in Libertine, as well as displays "favorites" in a way I that is clumsy to m
[19:40] <ubptgbot> e.
 @dohbee [no, unity8 update won't be in ota 11], ok, thanks - so App Drawer as default is just coming to devel in OTA-11?
 favorites is what you pin to the launcher. the top apps in the scope were never "favorites"
 @TotalSonic [ok, thanks - so App Drawer as default is just coming to devel in OTA-11?], no, it will land in devel when ota 12 opens, if it is ready to land then
 @dohbee [favorites is what you pin to the launcher. the top apps in the scope were never …], "Favorites"very much exist in two ways for me in daily use on UT.
 @dohbee [no, it will land in devel when ota 12 opens, if it is ready to land then], ok - got it.
 because it's such a huge change, it needs to land at the beginning of an OTA cycle, not near the end
 so that it can get sufficient testing from people on devel/rc
 makes sense
[19:54] <hallyn> oh, i'd noticed that .  favs being separate fro mwhat's pinned to launcher.
[19:54] <hallyn> intersting
 @hallyn [oh, i'd noticed that .  favs being separate fro mwhat's pinned to launcher.], if you mean the 6-8 apps "pinned" at the top of the apps scope, they are not favorites
 (you can change the gsettings key, so that they are your favorites but the implementation of that is not to be favored apps)
[19:58] <hallyn> btw, i noticed there are some experimental launchers out there.  The current default is *not* slated to be replaced, right?  There's no concrete plans?
 @hallyn [btw, i noticed there are some experimental launchers out there.  The current def …], the dash is being replaced. none of the alternatives replace the launcher (sidebar).
 IRC can't see formatting btw
 @UniversalSuperBox [IRC can't see formatting btw], i know. it strips the markdown. but it's useful for people in TG to see it :)
[20:01] <hallyn> dash is being replaced by that thing in the appstore that says it may be the new dash?
 no
 dash is being replaced by app drawer, which is internal to unity8. it is usable on the edge channel currently. hopefully will be in devel once ota12 development opens up (ie, ota11 is released)
[20:04] <hallyn> cool.  well i'm on stable right now :)  interested to see waht it looks like
 @hallyn [cool.  well i'm on stable right now :)  interested to see waht it looks like], https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2682/new-launcher-edge-channel
[20:08] <hallyn> i should join the forums
[20:09] <hallyn> looks nice
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 @wayneoutthere [I searched and I think this is the package for the project he started for this k …], funny, that code has the entire book of The Picture of Dorian Grey in it
 https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/ubuntu-keyboard/skeyer-prototype/view/head:/plugins/en/src/the_picture_of_dorian_gray.txt
 Ughh, I cannot seem to get Dekko2 to work on my OPO, I chose to try to link my Outlook account, entered my log in details and I get to a screen that shows imap info, etc. I assumed it was all correct and tried to move forward, but it keeps going back to that screen. … Anywhere I can find how to set that up?
 that's a good question. we have a Dekko2 group, but is that the best place to do 'setup stuff'? I think maybe
 @wayneoutthere [that's a good question. we have a Dekko2 group, but is that the best place to do …], Can you send me the link?
 Dekko is 'special' so.. yeah.  we all have high hopes for Mr Dekko...
 sure
 https://t.me/DekkoApp
 @wayneoutthere [Dekko is 'special' so.. yeah.  we all have high hopes for Mr Dekko...], Thank you 👍🏻☺️