[06:03] <jibel> duflu, the broken combo bug could be a regression of bug 1822075
[06:05] <duflu> jibel, yes, or just similar
[06:06] <duflu> jibel, I guess using Wayland might work around it?
[06:06] <jibel> IDK I cannot test right now
[06:14] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:19] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:21] <Laney> hey
[06:22] <duflu> Hey hey Laney
[06:22] <duflu> Where be you?
[06:22] <Laney> moin duflu
[06:22] <Laney> I'm in the conference accommodation
[06:22] <Laney> most other people have gone to the beach or to museums
[06:22] <Laney> but my flight is soon
[06:23] <duflu> Win some and lose some
[06:23] <duflu> That's odd. The new Yaru theme is making the temporal dithering in my monitor more visible
[06:24] <duflu> Kind of annoying
[06:24] <duflu> Because it's fading a white menu over a light blue background. The colours are so close you notice the in-between colours
[06:30] <oSoMoN> good morning duflu, Laney
[06:34] <Laney> hey oSoMoN
[06:34] <Laney> are you well?
[06:41] <Laney> duflu: are you sure that the duplicating of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1841661 was right or did you mean a different bug maybe?
[06:41] <duflu> Laney, it looks like the right bug since the behaviour is apparently the same and they are related generations of CPU
[06:42] <Laney> Jonas told me that one is a regression in 5.1/5.2 and the reporter of the one you duped to was on 4.15
[06:42] <duflu> Laney, feel free to separate it
[06:42] <Laney> IOW it is a regression in eoan
[06:43] <Laney> OK, thanks
[06:43] <duflu> That doesn't mean they're really separate bugs but I'm not bothered either way
[06:43] <duflu> Don't care to find out right now
[06:44] <Laney> Sure, but I'd like to not accidentally fix one bug and leave the other one existing because we thought they were the same when they weren't
[06:44] <Laney> if that makes sense
[06:44] <duflu> Laney, well that happens and it doesn't hurt generally. Just un-duplicate after verifying that
[06:48] <oSoMoN> Laney, I'm good, how are you yourself?
[06:49] <Laney> nice, but we just had our last Eklektik breakfast :(
[06:49] <oSoMoN> that place is awesome
[07:03] <didrocks> good morning
[07:07] <Laney> hey didrocks
[07:08] <Laney> you good?
[07:08] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:09] <oSoMoN> good morning didrocks
[07:10] <didrocks> hey Laney, I'm fine, thanks, you? Last day of Bof?
[07:11] <Laney> no bof today, there's a beach and a museum trip
[07:11] <Laney> but I'm going home!
[07:14] <didrocks> hey duflu, oSoMoN
[07:15] <didrocks> oh, safe travel Laney!
[07:23] <seb128> goooood morning desktopers
[07:33] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:33] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you today?
[07:34] <duflu> seb128, good and bad. Sad the top performance fix in 3.34 got reverted because of bugs in the Wayland backend. But I understand because I haven't yet offered a complete fix for that
[07:34] <duflu> How are you seb128?
[07:35] <seb128> it did? :(
[07:35] <seb128> I'm good
[07:35] <seb128> they didn't want to wait for a fix?
[07:36] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:36] <duflu> No. I understand though. It's the stable solution
[07:37] <seb128> they might commit it back if a fix comes in time?
[07:38] <duflu> seb128, I'm looking into it. Unfortunately it mostly involves rewriting that 1.5 years of work that was discarded in mutter!73
[07:38] <duflu> So I really need to find a solution that avoids that
[07:38] <seb128> :(
[07:38] <duflu> Or rewrite that (which will be less than 1.5 years the second time)
[07:39] <duflu> I also have myself to blame for not finishing that. Although my excuse is that we deprioritised Wayland
[07:39] <duflu> But now that's hurting Xorg
[07:41] <seb128> we could perhaps distro patch that back?
[07:43] <duflu> seb128, no forget that -- I stopped working on it because Jonas rewrote everything and the conflicts became overwhelming
[07:43] <duflu> It also would not be mature if I had a replacement soon
[07:43] <seb128> I meant the commit they reverted
[07:43] <duflu> seb128, it hurts Wayland too much right now, which still affects some of our users
[07:44] <duflu> -hurts +crashes
[07:44] <seb128> ah, crash :/
[07:44] <seb128> k then
[07:45] <duflu> seb128, that email I sent today is unrelated to all this. We can go ahead with that
[07:47] <seb128> right
[08:06] <seb128> brb, changing location
[08:10] <willcooke> Morning all
[08:11] <lis> good morning :)
[08:11] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:11] <didrocks> morning lis
[08:12] <lis> hey didrocks :)
[08:12] <lis> did you go to guadec?
[08:12] <didrocks> lis: I didn't, was on holidays also avoiding travelling right now (planes)
[08:12] <didrocks> you?
[08:13] <lis> no :(
[08:13] <lis> had a family vacation in the middle of the main part.  thought about coming for the couple of days of bofs, but decided not to
[08:29] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke, lis
[08:30] <duflu> Morning willcooke and lis
[08:34] <seb128> hey oSoMoN willcooke, how are you?
[08:36] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'm good, how are you?
[08:37] <oSoMoN> you made it home safely?
[08:37] <seb128> yeah, easy trip
[08:38] <seb128> the bus stressed me a bit, I installed that GUADEC recommended map which told me to take 28B at :23
[08:38] <seb128> but another bus arrived at :20
[08:38] <seb128> with a plane sign on the screen, so I walked in
[08:39] <seb128> but couldn't read any of the greek signs at all then
[08:39] <seb128> so I was unsure for a while if I was on the right bus
[08:39] <seb128> then the rest was easy :)
[09:08] <popey> Hello desktoppers!
[09:08] <popey> Where is the source for ubuntu firstrun application used in 18.04.3?
[09:09] <Laney> gnome-initial-setup
[09:09] <popey> thanks
[09:10] <Laney> some desktop and ex-desktop things in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-August/040787.html
[09:11] <popey> That doesn't look like the source for the Ubuntu firstrun thing.
[09:12] <popey> Is there some plugin we use or something that does all the livepatch and "You're ready to go" recommended software?
[09:13] <Laney> it is
[09:13] <Laney> laney@nightingale> grep "You're ready to go" **/*.ui                                                                                                                                              ~/temp/gnome-initial-setup-3.28.0
[09:13] <Laney> gnome-initial-setup/pages/apps/gis-apps-page.ui:            <property name="label" translatable="yes">You're ready to go!</property>
[09:13] <popey> oh, i cloned master
[09:14] <Laney> the Ubuntu modifications are done via distro patches, so you'll need to get the source from the fork on Gitlab or from the archive
[09:14] <Laney> s/patches/changes/? not sure if they are actual debian/patches
[09:15] <popey> https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-initial-setup
[09:15] <popey> ?
[09:15] <Laney> https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-initial-setup/tree/ubuntu-welcome-bionic this one I think for bionic
[09:15] <Laney> ICBW
[09:15] <popey> ta
[09:15] <Laney> got to go through a passport gate now, be back if I get the chance
[09:15] <popey> o/
[09:15]  * Laney mutters about schengen
[09:15] <seb128> popey, hey, what are you trying to change there?
[09:15] <popey> Not change, investigate.
[09:15] <seb128> Laney, good luck :)
[09:16] <popey> I watched a video where someone did an install, and the final page which shows software, showed the wrong applications (IMO)
[09:16] <Laney> nosy128 :P
[09:16] <seb128> haha
[09:16] <popey> It showed the current featured list, not the firstrun featured list specifcally made for the firstrun wizard
[09:16] <willcooke> popey, remember that it hides apps you already have installed
[09:17] <popey> not what I'm concerned about willcooke
[09:17] <popey> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zZAPIIXa/This%20list%20is%20wrong
[09:17] <popey> It's a clean install so it won't be hiding anything
[09:17] <seb128> popey, https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gnome-initial-setup/tree/debian/patches/0001-Add-Ubuntu-mode-with-special-pages.patch#n909
[09:17] <willcooke> got ya
[09:18] <seb128> popey, that's the call it's doing
[09:18] <popey> so it's looking for the ubuntu-firstrun section in the store
[09:18] <seb128> yes
[09:18] <popey> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/viSLoQGQ/
[09:19] <seb128> store changed without telling us?
[09:19] <popey> perhaps
[09:19] <popey> I'll poke them
[09:19] <popey> thanks!
[09:19] <seb128> thx, let us know
[09:19] <popey> (not your bug by the look of it) :D
[09:19] <seb128> :-)
[11:42] <popey> seb128: started a thread on the forum, looks like snapd or snapd-glib to blame, maybe? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/ubuntu-firstrun-hidden-section-not-showing-in-ubuntu-initial-setup/12966
[11:56] <seb128> popey, thx, probably one for robert_ancell but he might not be much around in the next days, travelling back from GUADEC
[11:56] <popey> I thought so. It's not a catastrophe, but just a weird bug I guess.
[12:01] <seb128> popey, trying maybe sending Robert an email to make sure he doesn't miss it
[12:01] <popey> will do
[12:12] <duflu> Phew. seb128 I just reproposed the optimization, with built-in fixes for those side-effects.
[12:12] <duflu> And now good night
[12:12] <seb128> duflu, woot, well done
[12:12] <seb128> night!
[12:15] <seb128> tjaalton, there is a newer libinput point release, do you want to do the update or should I? ;)
[12:41] <GunnarHj> cyphermox: Can you please take a look at what I did here:
[12:41] <GunnarHj> https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/usb-modeswitch/+packages
[12:41] <GunnarHj> It depends on tcl8.6, which is in main, and the dispatcher is a shell script run via tclsh8.6.
[12:58] <tjaalton> seb128: I'll push it to debian
[13:01] <seb128> tjaalton, thx
[13:01] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, do you still plan to look at the gnome-getting-started-docs and gnome-user-docs updates?
[13:09] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes.. But they are still on 3.33.90, and since they are not affecting anything else, I feel I'd better wait for 3.34.0 (at least). Am I missing anything by thinking so?
[13:11] <seb128> GunnarHj, we updated all the other GNOME components, and technical it's a new serie and we missed feature freeze and need a ffe now (though maybe less true for documentation)
[13:11] <seb128> GunnarHj, I would expect it to go with the rest of GNOME
[13:13] <GunnarHj> seb128: Doing it in Ubuntu is easy, and I could do that later today, if you like. Updating Debian's repos is more work, and it would be good to only need to do that once IMO.
[13:13] <seb128> GunnarHj, if you could update for Ubuntu for now that would be nice
[13:14] <seb128> we can do Debian once 3.34 is out
[13:15] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, will do. Btw, as regards Debian, would it be possible that you give me write access to those repos? Would be a bit inconvenient to handle new upstream via merge requests.
[13:16] <seb128> GunnarHj, I don't think I can ask, maybe check L_aney (he's travelling today though) if he remembers what is needed to be added
[13:18] <seb128> tjaalton, also do you think we could update libxkbcommon through Debian?
[13:19] <GunnarHj> seb128: Sure, I can ask him. I just created an own repo, and noticed that there is a setting for inviting additional members.
[13:21] <seb128> tjaalton, also libx11?
[13:48] <cyphermox> GunnarHj: no; this is exactly what we don't want (a tcl script in the boot path)
[13:49] <cyphermox> tcl8.6 isn't currently part of the boot path, nothing needs it, so loading yet another interpreter to run a single script is really not great for boot speed and performance
[13:49] <GunnarHj> cyphermox: That's what I feared you should say, so I'm about to fix the patch instead. ;)
[13:50] <cyphermox> GunnarHj: if you think this is no longer an issue, best would be to pitch it to vorlon; he was the original requester for fixing usb-modeswitch :)
[13:50] <cyphermox> tbh, I understand the concerns, but I'm not sure how much of an effect it has on boot speed, compared to the sustained effort of maintaining that patch
[13:51] <cyphermox> otoh, by now usb-modeswitch strikes me as pretty much a dead thing, used less and less
[13:51] <GunnarHj> cyphermox: I'm not skilled enough to argue with any of you on that topic.
[13:51] <cyphermox> GunnarHj: please don't think like that, that's just not true
[13:51] <GunnarHj> cyphermox: And yes, not much happens upstream with usb-modeswitch nowadays.
[13:52] <cyphermox> we all start from somewhere, I expect fixing the patch is also weirdish
[13:52] <GunnarHj> cyphermox: It is, but it's done now. :)
[13:52] <cyphermox> it was a very crude patch using just C and as few things as possible
[13:52] <cyphermox> oh, cool
[13:53] <cyphermox> GunnarHj: if you noticed, it's like a third-grader did a word-for-word translation of some bad essay from one language to another ;)
[13:54] <GunnarHj> cyphermox: Haha, TBH i haven't looked much at the code. The OP pointed to the problem, so I just removed a trailing newline from a string.
[13:54] <cyphermox> ah, cool
[14:04] <tjaalton> seb128: eventually es
[14:04] <tjaalton> yes
[14:05] <tjaalton> there's bunch of janitorial things to finish acrosse the whole stack
[14:05] <tjaalton> -e
[14:05] <seb128> tjaalton, sorry for the nags, I'm still trying to get on top of https://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/desktop-packages.html, we are getting there :)
[14:05] <seb128> tjaalton, unsure if you saw but I updated a good stack of the xthings which were a minor behind for eoan
[14:05] <tjaalton> there hasn't been anyone else doing updates in the past 6mo or so
[14:06] <tjaalton> on debian side
[14:06] <seb128> is the stack in lowNMU? ;)
[14:07] <tjaalton> dunno
[14:07] <seb128> I can maybe upload those to Debian at the start of the next Ubuntu cycle if they still haven't got updated
[14:07] <tjaalton> should land in git too
[14:07] <seb128> right
[17:12] <willcooke> night all
[17:17] <k_alam> Laney: Hi, u there ?
[17:21] <k_alam> Laney: There is some issue with recent gnome-session update, if I try to update, it tries to uninstall unity-session ?