[00:01] <sarnold> Night_Elf: it might be worth putting some time into openssl s_client to try to reproduce the problem
[00:03] <Night_Elf> sarnold: I will see to find what I can. Need to get me familiar with the openssl utilities and check. I'd think that Ubuntu and Mint use the same. While Debian probably has something slightly different, regardless of the same version number.
[00:04] <matzy_> found this issue.  fucking hp: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2392797
[00:05] <Night_Elf> It is worth mentioning that I have noticed this even 2 years ago. Last I tried was these last few days, thinking that it might have been fixed. To what I remember, it could as well be some parameters in the hashing algorithms, regrding sizes.
[00:06] <sarnold> matzy_: woooooow that sucks
[00:08] <Night_Elf> I have started to avoid HP laptops for years now. I have seen that the best to use with any linux, are Lenovo and also Fujitsu.
[00:10] <jeremy31> Night_Elf: I bought a HP laptop in December and the only issue was having to change OS boot manager to ubuntu for it to boot into ubuntu
[00:25] <abclove> if battery of laptop inflated then it is dangerous like explosion?
[00:25] <sarnold> yes
[00:26] <abclove> but i have no money to buy battery now :( i can’t close my laptop cover now :(
[00:26] <abclove> i want to cry now :(
[00:26] <OerHeks> sure, dangerous, firehazard.
[00:26] <abclove> firehazard?
[00:26] <abclove> :(
[00:27] <abclove> i use macbook pro 13 inch now
[00:27] <abclove> i use it without back cover, it is ok? OerHeks  and sarnold  ?
[00:27] <OerHeks> oke, good luck
[00:28] <sarnold> abclove: do not use it. do not charge it.
[00:28] <OerHeks> that question is not for ubuntu, maybe ##hardware will anser otherwise than dangerous and firehazard
[00:28] <sarnold> dang i was too slow to pass along https://www.ifixit.com/Wiki/What_to_do_with_a_swollen_battery
[00:29] <Betal> he will find out somehour
[00:44] <parak0vsky> how do you tune mouse wheel scroll speed?
[00:45] <sarnold> if you're using the standard ubuntu install there's something in the control panels for that
[00:47] <OerHeks> and gnome-tweaks-tool hase some more
[00:47] <OerHeks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[00:48] <s0rcerer> is there a xfce tweak tool? ;o
[00:50] <OerHeks> nope, there is a theme manager
[00:50] <OerHeks> and tons of guides with tweaks and tips
[00:54] <coffeecow> Hi, what are some tips for power and temperature management? Is there a tool that will allow me to put my laptop in low power/temperature mode (underclock on-the-fly)?
[00:57] <OerHeks> !info laptop-mode-tools
[00:57] <sarnold> coffeecow: I don't recall seeing a way to flip from high-power to low-power, but this may help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagement/ThermalIssues
[00:57] <OerHeks> !info tlp
[00:57] <OerHeks> use one of the 2, tlp is an old project, laptop-mode-tools is preferred
[01:00] <coffeecow> thanks
[01:08] <devslash> My desktop is running Ubuntu 19.04. The other day I installed the updates and nothing else and now I can't log into the UI (I can still log in at a terminal shell prompt). When I try to log in, the screen goes black for about 20 seconds then takes me back to the login screen
[01:11] <Night_Elf> devslash: I have seen that behaviour too. I have no idea what it might be. My resolve to that was to just install another login manager and desktop environment altogether.
[01:12] <Bashing-om> devslash: 'Nother thought - broken graphic's driver - what shows ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[01:15] <devslash> let me check
[01:15] <gambl0re> hello?
[01:17] <Bray90820> So when my bluetooth keyboard connects it thinks it's a number pad until I plugin a wired keyboard and manually hit numlock
[01:17] <Night_Elf> Bashing-om: for me that option seemed improbable. I was using an external driver for my graphic card, one I got from nvidia and installed manually. So the update didn't change the driver.
[01:18] <gambl0re> hello?
[01:19] <Night_Elf> yes we read you gambl0re. Please keep the random greetings to a minimum, to reduce the chit-chat and keep a 1130 member channel tidy and efficient.
[01:19] <gambl0re> Night_Elf, hey
[01:19] <gambl0re> anyone know how or have a guide how to install wine on xubuntu/ubuntu?
[01:20] <devslash> Bashing-om, https://termbin.com/1xwn
[01:20] <Night_Elf> gambl0re: sudo apt-get install wine does not do it?
[01:20] <gambl0re> i didnt try but i read a whole bunch of articles and they want you to do enter all these commands and not sure if it's even necessary
[01:20] <gambl0re> Night_Elf, is that it?
[01:21] <Night_Elf> gambl0re: Most probably you want  "sudo apt-get install wine64"
[01:22] <gambl0re> whats the diff between wine and playonlinux?
[01:22] <Night_Elf> you can check what you have with "apt-get search wine
[01:22] <Night_Elf> A front end for wine.
[01:22] <devslash> Bashing-om, I also did apt list | grep nvidia and I see packages for nvidia with different versions not sure if that matters
[01:22] <gambl0re> is it better to install playonlinux instead?
[01:22] <Betal> apt-cache* search ?
[01:23] <Night_Elf> What you can do, is install synaptic (if it is not there already) and then use that to install stuff.
[01:23] <Bashing-om> devslash: Well not a driver issue "configuration: driver=nvidia" nvidia module did load. Next in my process of elimination is authority - what shows ' ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ' ?
[01:23] <OerHeks> wine + winetricks scripts = playonlinux
[01:24] <Night_Elf> Betal: yes. apt-cache search <nameofwhatyouneedhere>
[01:24] <OerHeks> and there is wine 4.01 out https://tecadmin.net/install-wine-on-ubuntu/
[01:24] <devslash> Bashing-om, ahh i fixed it it was a perm issue
[01:24] <Night_Elf> ah yah... I wrote it wrong abobe. Sorry for that everyone. Seems like tiredness has kicked in
[01:25] <Bashing-om> devslash: :D .. and to see what nvidia installes ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' :)
[01:27] <gambl0re> Night_Elf, i need to use photoshop on linux
[01:29] <Night_Elf> gambl0re: I think you have a bit of a bumpy road ahead. There might be libraries you need more that what wine provides for using complex software such as photoshop.
[01:30] <gambl0re> Night_Elf, https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/install-adobe-photoshop-linux/
[01:30] <OerHeks> application help in #winehq
[01:30] <OerHeks> !wine
[01:31] <gambl0re> Night_Elf, :)
[01:31] <OerHeks> darktable is much better
[01:36] <devslash> Bashing-om, i rebooted and the problem came back
[01:38] <devslash> same issue. terminal login works. ui crashes
[01:38] <devslash> back to login
[01:39] <juanonymous> hi, this question is kind of an off-topic but do you know where i can get a detailed information on how to setup e-mail server?
[01:39] <sarnold> juanonymous: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/email-services.html
[01:39] <devslash> i have a GTX 750 TI graphics card. which nvidia card should i be using
[01:41] <OerHeks> devslash, 334 and up .. https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/73666/en-us
[01:42] <devslash> i have multiple versions apparently
[01:42] <devslash> 331-430
[01:42] <devslash> at least 5 different versions
[01:43] <OerHeks> sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall # picks the right one IIRC
[01:43] <devslash> what about all of the other versions that i have installed
[01:43] <juanonymous> sarnold: thanks
[01:44] <Bashing-om> devslash: Also purge all the old drivers - and the config file if the purge does not get the config file .
[01:46] <devslash> Bashing-om, https://termbin.com/p75sw
[01:46] <devslash> should i remove all 252 of those packages
[01:47] <Bashing-om> devslash: What command did you run to get that generic output ^ ? show us ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' instead.
[01:48] <devslash> i did
[01:48] <devslash> apt list | grep nvidia
[01:49] <sarnold> that's not a useful list :) any of us can generate that one, it doesn't tell us anything about *your* system
[01:49] <devslash> so ubuntu-packages list shows 340,430,390 and 415
[01:49] <Bashing-om> devslash: ^ that shows you all that the repo contains for nvidia :P not what is on your install.
[01:49] <devslash> i thought that apt-cache search does that
[01:50] <Bashing-om> devslash: "apt search" is a refinement.
[01:50] <devslash> ok so whcih ones should i remove
[01:53] <Bashing-om> devslash: show us -zar3- the output of ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' whicj shows the nvidia files installed to the system. to see the modules run ' lsmod | grep nvidia '.
[01:54] <devslash> Bashing-om, https://termbin.com/kpwe
[01:55] <sarnold> zar3?
[01:56] <thelast> Hi all. I've installed a fresh version of Ubuntu 18.04 and nvidia-driver-430, and I can't figure out how to get my nvidia driver settings to persist across reboot. I change something in the layout, and then go "Save to Configuration File", and save it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and then I reboot, but it doesn't load the changes from that config file. I
[01:56] <thelast> 've also tried putting it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/xorg.conf, etc/X11/Xsession.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf, nothing seems to work. Any tips? Thanks.
[01:56] <devslash> i dunno what else to do
[01:56] <devslash> im also ready to reformat
[01:57] <devslash> almost
[01:57] <Bashing-om> sarnold: radio talk for repeated request :P
[01:57] <sarnold> Bashing-om: aha! :D thanks
[01:58] <Bashing-om> devslash: mir ? What Gives ? Show us ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' .
[01:58] <devslash> hjow so you list the actual packages installed when i do dpkg -l it shows packages that arent installed because apt-get remove says that'
[01:58] <devslash> blank
[01:59] <sarnold> devslash: dpkg -l | grep ^ii
[01:59] <devslash> thats not correct
[01:59] <sarnold> in what way?
[01:59] <devslash> it lists packages that arent installed
[01:59] <sarnold> try it
[01:59] <devslash> i did
[01:59] <devslash> thats what i am trying to explain
[02:00] <devslash> it lists packages that apt-get remove says arent installed
[02:00] <sarnold> then please show us what happens when you try to apt-get purge a package that is in state ii
[02:00] <Bashing-om> devslash: Why would you think your package manager would lie to you ?
[02:00] <devslash> i dunno its not working right
[02:00] <devslash> any package i rtry to remove it says its not installed
[02:01] <Bashing-om> devslash: You came here for help - and we are trying .. but if you go off somewhere we do not know about ,,, we can not follow and help.
[02:02] <devslash> i havent
[02:02] <devslash> i did dpkg -l | grep i nvidia
[02:02] <sarnold> grep i
[02:02] <sarnold> is not the same as
[02:02] <sarnold> grep ^ii
[02:02] <devslash> it lists for example nvidia-headless-390 if i apt-get remove it its not installed
[02:02] <devslash> no -i
[02:02] <devslash> grep -i
[02:03] <sarnold> I'm done. good luck,
[02:03] <Bashing-om> devslash: we need to see that output in a pastebin . It shows what parts of the nvidia driver is installed.
[02:03] <devslash> which command
[02:03] <devslash> the echo command ?
[02:04] <Bashing-om> devslash: ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' will work for my present purposes :)
[02:05] <devslash> Bashing-om, https://termbin.com/maee
[02:06] <devslash> i think im just gonna reformat. this thing is hosed
[02:07] <Bashing-om> devslash: well ,, that is one option :) .. but we may be able to fix this install . Still curiois how mor and wayland play here .. as nvidia and wayland is still a work in progress. what shows ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' ?
[02:08] <devslash> nothing
[02:08] <devslash> that is blank
[02:08] <Bashing-om> mor/Mir*
[02:08] <devslash> dont use it i dont think
[02:11] <Bashing-om> devslash: Let's try this -pastebin ' loginctl session-status ' . see here if we can figure out the environment you are in.
[02:12] <devslash> im currently in a term session
[02:12] <devslash> does that matter
[02:14] <Bashing-om> devslash: You do show "i  mir-platform-graphics-eglstream-kms16:amd64" which makes me consider that you are attempting to run Wayland with proprietary driver . That is still under development.
[02:15] <devslash> i dont want to mess up what youre trying to do to help me but i removed all nvidia drivers because i had 4 different versions
[02:16] <devslash> when i try to log in it says Unity (default)
[02:16] <Bashing-om> devslash: Maybe .. are you aware the the "rc" means - (R)emoved but (C)onfig files remain ?
[02:16] <devslash> no
[02:16] <devslash> where do you see that
[02:17] <Bashing-om> devslash: Your https://termbin.com/maee :)
[02:17] <devslash> ok
[02:18] <devslash> what should i do
[02:18] <devslash> i still cant log in
[02:20] <devslash> i purged all nvidia drivers. dpkg -l | grep nvidia shows nothing
[02:21] <devslash> and rebooted
[02:21] <Bashing-om> devslash: Well - we still need to know the environment for the desktop that you have - then see if we are to purge the Nvidia driver or whatever. 1st is to know the environment. By the way unity ? what release is this ? post back ' lsb-release -a ' .
[02:21] <devslash> 19.04
[02:21] <devslash> was working fine earlier
[02:21] <devslash> rebooted then it started up again
[02:22] <bray90820>  So when my bluetooth keyboard connects it thinks it's a number pad until I plugin a wired keyboard and manually hit numlock
[02:24] <Bashing-om> devslash: As you have removed Nvidia, then nouveau should have loaded - did it ? show ; ' lsmod | grep nouveau ' .
[02:31] <devslash> shows that its loaded
[02:35] <Bashing-om> devslash: And looks like this: https://termbin.com/y34q ?
[02:36] <devslash> yes. just a sec ive made some progress
[02:38] <devslash> so i was able to log in without nvidia
[02:38] <devslash> i installed 384 and the problem returned
[02:39] <Bashing-om> devslash: Pastebin ' sudo lshw -C display '.
[02:39] <devslash> doo you want to see that with or without nvidia drivers installed
[02:40] <Bashing-om> devslash: As the system is now :)
[02:42] <devslash> Bashing-om, https://termbin.com/x4n5
[02:42] <devslash> no nvidia drivers installed
[02:43] <Bashing-om> devslash: Yup - " latency=0
[02:44] <devslash> my cpu fan spins up for a few seconds every minute or so when i use ubuntu without nvidia drivers
[02:44] <Bashing-om> devslash: Opps on that last ; Yup "onfiguration: driver=nouveau latency=0" where the nouveau driver is loaded .
[02:46] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-driver-430 disco | dev
[02:47] <devslash> i just thought of something else
[02:47] <devslash> secure boot must be disabled in the bios in order for nvidia drivers to load
[02:47] <Bashing-om> devslash: Well, nvidia reommends the 430 version driver for that GeForce GTX 750 Ti card.
[02:48] <Bashing-om> devslash: Yup . agreed .. secure boot disbaled .
[02:48] <devslash> not in my repo
[02:48] <devslash> im trying 384
[02:49] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-driver-384 disco
[02:49] <devslash> which iirc worked well in the past
[02:50] <Bashing-om> devslash: Ya know this is not Windows ? .. what shows ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' to see what drivers are presently available with what the system has to choose from.
[02:51] <devslash> ahh shit
[02:51] <devslash> it boots into emergency mode now
[02:52] <devslash> just a sec let me see if i can figure out whats going on
[02:54] <devslash> i did dpkg --configure -a because i guess dpkg was interrupted and now im stuck on the purple ubuntu screen
[02:55] <devslash> i think this pc is screwed up
[02:56] <devslash> Bashing-om, do you have any other suggestions
[02:57] <devslash> it boots to initramfs prompt now
[02:57] <Bashing-om> devslash: Could be - you are the best judge of that circunstance - consider - only takes 30 minutes to RE-install and copy backups back in place - I can do it in 15 as I have had practice :P
[02:57] <devslash> well im gonna do it on a new ssd if i go that route
[02:58] <devslash> this pos is f*cked beyound repair
[02:58] <nshire> apparently my ubuntu 18.04 LTS install is on kernel version 5? is that right? I though LTS version 18.xx would only get kernel 4.xx
[02:58] <Bashing-om> devslash: Can you boot a recovery console from the grub boot menu ?
[02:58] <devslash> how
[02:58] <devslash> i tried booting into single mode and it boots to initramfs prompt
[02:58] <Bashing-om> !hwe | nshire
[02:58] <devslash> i added single after quiet splash at the grub prompt
[03:00] <nshire> interesting. didn't expect to get kernel 5 on 18.xx lts
[03:00] <sarnold> nshire: the HWE stack is "rolling" these days https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack
[03:00] <sarnold> nshire: so you'll get the disco kernel shortly after disco comes out, the eoan kernel shortly after eoan comes out, etc
[03:01] <devslash> Bashing-om, i chose recovery but when i get to an initramfs i cant type
[03:02] <Bashing-om> nshire: ^^ now if it is your desire to remain on the 4.15.0-58-generic kernel series, then one installs the 18.04.1 release.
[03:02] <nshire> its a vm so it seems fine. I'll see how my laptop goes, not sure if its updated yet
[03:03] <devslash> i think my ssd might be bad
[03:03] <sarnold> nshirelaptop: what'd you find? :)
[03:04] <Bashing-om> devslash: In the event of "bad ssd" thoughts - one runs a SMART test for a status.
[03:04] <devslash> i dunno just a guess
[03:04] <devslash> but now my fricking kb doesnt work at an initramfs prompt
[03:26] <user__>  /exit
[03:36] <mmarconm> how i can specify domain name using netplan ?
[04:02] <bray90820>  So when my bluetooth keyboard connects it thinks it's a number pad until I plugin a wired keyboard and manually hit numlock
[07:06] <sam_wong> I successfully installed Windows10 a few minutes ago on top of Ubuntu 19.04 by VM virtual box. Nevertheless, the speed of Win10 was extremely low that the new OS is almost unusable. Does anyone have any idea?
[07:32] <tomreyn> sam_wong: maybe you did not assign much RAM to it, or you have some virtualization supporting CPU flags disabled in your BIOS setup
[07:33] <tomreyn> generally, any virtualization will consume an amount of resources, so don't ever expect things to be as fast as they would be when running natively.
[07:34] <sam_wong> tomreyn: Actually, I have assigned 4G of Ram for the new OS.
[07:35] <tomreyn> sam_wong: which hardware do you have there?
[07:35] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:'
[07:35] <sam_wong> tomreyn: How to enable those cpu flags
[07:36] <sam_wong> Asrock H55 LGA1156 with 10G of DDR3
[07:37] <tomreyn> grep vmx /proc/cpuinfo | head -n1
[07:37] <sam_wong> tomreyn: i3@2.93Ghz cpu
[07:38] <tomreyn> but does it report vmx?
[07:38] <sam_wong> tomreyn: no
[07:39] <tomreyn> then you should enable "VT-X" in bios
[07:40] <sam_wong> tomreyn: Do all motherboards have this function (VT-X) in bios?
[07:41] <tomreyn> any that are slightly recent
[07:41] <tomreyn> like, the past 10 years or so
[07:41] <tomreyn> that's on intel platforms, but you have that
[07:41] <tomreyn> you should also see VT-d, enable this too.
[07:42] <sam_wong> tomreyn: My motherboard was bought 8 years ago so it should have this function too, I think
[07:42] <tomreyn> i would think all intel core CPUs have it
[07:42] <tomreyn> at least VT-x
[07:43] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization#Intel_virtualization_(VT-x)
[07:43] <ricks_> there are cases of cpus having vt-x but the mb not supporting it
[07:44] <sam_wong> ricks_: If my board doesn't support this function, do you mean there is nothing I can do?
[07:44] <tomreyn> "Asrock H55" does not actually exist, but there are many other similarily named ones
[07:45] <ricks_> if you're certain you have it you can install refind as your bootloader; it has an option to force it
[07:45] <ricks_> http://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Activating_the_Intel_VT_Virtualization_Feature
[08:09] <FMan> howdy
[08:19] <mystic> when is ubuntu 20 out?   19 is too unstable
[08:19] <rud0lf> in 2020?
[08:19] <M_aD> mystic: you're kidding?
[08:20] <M_aD> April 2020
[08:20] <rud0lf> mystic: the release number comes from the year of release
[08:20] <mystic> kidding?  no.  lots of stuff wouldnt work for me.
[08:20] <mystic> oh i see... definately 2020 then lol. good.  look forward to it
[08:21] <M_aD> first up is 19.10
[08:21] <mystic> probly be rubbish too
[08:21] <mystic> i'll avoid it
[08:21] <mystic> 18 is fine , then jump to 20.    19 is more for testers
[08:21] <M_aD> stick with LTS releases then
[08:22] <mystic> Yes sir
[08:24] <abclove> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2144619      <—i can’t install ubuntu 
[08:25] <mystic> ubuntu installer is very good.. easy gui.   i was trying to install mx linux but gave up due to havign to choose your own partition tables /swap etc...
[08:28] <jeremy31> abclove: What computer?
[08:28] <abclove> is is made in 2005 with 500mb ram
[08:28] <abclove> jeremy31:
[08:28] <mystic> probly 32 bit then...
[08:28] <abclove> yeah correct
[08:29] <jeremy31> Isn't minimum ram for Ubuntu about 2GB?
[08:29] <M_aD> 500MB RAM? forget it
[08:29] <mystic> u might be better trying lubuntu or something smaller
[08:29] <abclove> i will upgrade ram soon
[08:29] <mystic> then install ubuntu soon, not before lol
[08:29] <abclove> i tried to install lubuntu
[08:30] <M_aD> even with 2GB RAM Ubuntu won't run that great, go with Xubuntu instead
[08:30] <tomreyn> ubuntu alternative server installer may work
[08:30] <abclove> xubuntu
[08:30] <abclove> anyway i can’t install linux on laptop?
[08:30] <abclove> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2144619
[08:31] <FMan> I've still got 14.04 on one system
[08:31] <M_aD> nope, upgrade the RAM first if it's possible
[08:31] <mystic> thats naughty FMan
[08:31] <FMan> lol
[08:31] <abclove> M_aD: i think that it is not related with ram, because 44 mb is enough to install ubuntu
[08:32] <mystic> lol
[08:32] <M_aD> what a stupidity this morning
[08:32]  * M_aD heads out
[08:33] <mystic> yea. 44mb and 12 kb hdd space
[08:34] <mystic> even linux isnt that magic... well some of them tiny distros almost are lol
[08:34] <abclove> xubuntu don’t have 32bit?
[08:35] <mystic> i usually sound like a blundering idiot in here abc,   thanks for taking that awayfrom me lol
[08:37] <M_aD> abclove: 18.04 LTS is 32bit  https://xubuntu.org/download
[08:37] <M_aD> or if you want 19.04 then download the netinstall/mini iso
[08:38] <M_aD> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/disco/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[08:38] <abclove> M_aD: ?
[08:39] <abclove> what do you mean of link?
[08:39] <M_aD> read what i said
[08:40] <M_aD> anyway, chat later, gotta go
[08:44] <abclove> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2144619    i can’t slove this problem?
[08:44] <abclove> no one know it?
[08:45] <jeremy31> abclove: That post is about Ubuntu 13.04, been unsupported forever
[08:46] <abclove> but it is same for 18 or 19
[08:46] <abclove> :( jeremy31 :(
[08:46] <jeremy31> abclove: how much hard drive space?
[08:46] <abclove> 64gb or more
[08:46] <abclove> 512 mb
[08:46] <abclove> ram
[08:47] <jeremy31> abclove: It could be that your video card isn't supported
[08:48] <abclove> :(
[08:48] <sylario> I am looking for a tool to backup postgresDBs and a few folders.  any idea ?
[08:48] <abclove> then i can’t install ubuntu finall?
[08:50] <vlt> sylario: There's pg_dump to export the databse in a consistent state. Then there's rsync. Another solution is having your database data on something like LVM and to take a snapshot.
[08:50] <abclove> jeremy31: ?
[08:50] <jeremy31> abclove: can you even boot Ubuntu ISO?
[08:51] <abclove> yeah using usb. jeremy31
[08:51] <jeremy31> abclove: Where does it quit working?
[08:53] <abclove> graphic initialization failed Error setting up gfxboot boot:  Loading bootlogo...
[08:54] <abclove> jeremy31:
[08:54] <mystic> I just sewed on a button
[08:54] <jeremy31> abclove: what graphics card
[08:54] <abclove> i don’t know it
[08:54] <abclove> :(
[08:56] <sylario> vlt : I was hoping for some tool with logs and scheduling. I do not really know how rsync works
[08:56] <abclove> jeremy31: no idea?
[08:57] <jeremy31> abclove: I have no clue what video card you have
[08:57] <abclove> wait i will search it now
[08:57] <vlt> sylario: Scheduling can be done via cron. What info do you want to log?
[08:58] <vlt> sylario: rsync (like most other tools) has a man page: `man rsync`.
[08:58] <sylario> I was using the backup ruby gem to backup a few big rails app
[08:59] <sylario> but the gem stopped and they support up to ruby 2.3
[09:03] <abclove> jeremy31: no idea i can’t know it
[09:03] <abclove> :(
[09:12] <bqq> could not startx : http://termbin.com/zmx0
[09:12] <bqq> it worked before.
[09:13] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release is this?
[09:15] <spinningCat> is there a software for making bootable windows 2012 server iso ?
[09:15] <tomreyn> probably woeusb
[09:18] <spinningCat> hope woeusb have capacity to consist windows server bootable usb
[09:19] <hsn> is there www browseable content of package https://packages.ubuntu.com/en/xenial/lrzsz ?
[09:19] <hsn> I am interested in debian patch set
[09:22] <tomreyn> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/lrzsz/lrzsz_0.12.21-10~build0.16.04.1.debian.tar.xz contains the patches
[09:22] <bqq> aha no space left on root device
[09:23] <tomreyn> !crosspost | bqq
[09:29] <tomreyn> spinningCat: please don't crosspost either, thanks.
[09:30] <spinningCat> sure sorry
[09:31] <bqq> tomreyn: sorry I only asked in linux and this ubuntu. no other channels. I asked in linux channel first with no reply, guess i asked wrong channel then asked here
[09:32] <bqq> tomreyn:  then i found the issue myself.
[09:36] <tomreyn> it's still peculiar, since /tmp is usually a tmpfs on ubuntu, and current ubuntu releases would store those files in /run/... rather than in /tmp
[09:38] <tomreyn> bqq: ^ this said, i'm glad you were able to solve your issue there.
[09:52] <sylario> I do not understand the incremental copy of rsync, it's only useful if keep all the backup?
[09:56] <lapion> I am wondering why linux-source relies heavily on linux-source-4.15.0 and not on the latest 5.0.0
[09:56] <lapion> Because certain other programs require the original kernel of 18.04 to be compiled
[10:11] <BlackDalek> I am looking at an Asus laptop with an RTL8821CE wifi card and no physical ehernet port. As all solutions to get WiFi working seem to assume an ethernet interface being present, how do I get around that and install this RTL8821CE card working in Ubuntu?
[10:12] <jeremy31> BlackDalek: Can you tether to a smart phone for internet?
[10:13] <BlackDalek> jeremy31, not sure. Bluetooth is working, but there's no wifi. I will see if my phone supports tethering through bluetooh
[10:13] <jeremy31> BlackDalek: If it android, you should be able to USB tether
[10:16] <BlackDalek> jeremy31, ok it has boh usb and bluetooth... I will try usb since it seems less troublesome\
[10:17] <jeremy31> BlackDalek: If you have any issues, I would replace the realtek card with a Intel 8000 series wifi
[10:18] <BlackDalek> jeremy31, ok. I have a network connection now. If I can't get wifi card working I will just replace the card. I have many spares.
[10:18] <BlackDalek> thanks... bye
[11:50] <abclove> lubuntu == xubuntu?
[11:51] <abclove> or which is better for old laptop?
[11:51] <ioria> both are ok; i'd go with lubu (18.04)
[11:51] <abclove> ah
[11:51] <abclove> thanks :)
[11:52] <abclove> xubuntu sound better than lubuntu
[11:52] <ioria> nope
[11:52] <abclove> like mable super hero or xman
[11:56] <abclove> ioria: you can fix this problem? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2144619
[11:56] <abclove> so i can’t install ubuntu now :(
[11:57] <abclove> ioria: ?
[11:58] <ioria> abclove, do you have a Toshiba NB255-250 ?
[11:58] <abclove> nope
[11:59] <abclove> another
[11:59] <ioria> abclove, what is ?
[11:59] <abclove> laptop made in 2005
[12:00] <ioria> abclove, what 's the brand ?
[12:00] <abclove> LG
[12:00] <abclove> Y
[12:00] <abclove> LG xnote
[12:02] <abclove> no idea? ioria ?
[12:02] <ioria> abclove, read the  sticker
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:02] <abclove> what sticker?
[12:02] <ioria> abclove, there are a lot of LG xnote; you need to know thew exact model
[12:02] <svendre> I'm creating a bootable barebones ubuntu system, and I've got it processing commands in init, but I have a question about libraries.  I noticed some libraries in /lib64 appear to be symlinks to gnu stuff inside /lib/..  I'm puzzled how this works.  I mounted my project and copied files into /lib64 and it's fine, I also created symlinks to the libraries in /lib/.. and it still works with both chroot and booting.  How is
[12:02] <svendre> this possible?
[12:03] <abclove> ioria: wait a min
[12:07] <svendre> if the symlinks in /mnt/lib64 point to /lib/.. shouldn't they fail when I reboot and /mnt/lib64 becomes just /lib64 and the original filesystem is gone, or is it just pointing to a different copy of libraries in /lib when I reboot (the path changes relative to root, and doens't link to any inode)
[12:07] <trackball> how do i allow users in a chrooted environment to change their passwords with passwd? i've already copied the files shown with ldd /usr/bin/passwd to <CHROOTDIR>/usr/bin. but when i try to use passwd in chroot i get the error: "passwd: Cannot determine your user name."
[12:09] <svendre> trackball: well my guess would be that you need more infrastructure than simply the libraries needed to run passwd
[12:12] <svendre> trackball: just a thought, perhaps you should pull up some references on passwd and see everything that it tries to do when you execute it (what files it looks for, etc.) then start recreating those
[12:13] <trackball> svendre: ok
[12:25] <svendre> this is the link I'm puzzled about: /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2  - it appears that it'll work to change file permissions even if you remove the chmod binary, what the heck.
[12:27] <svendre> it seems required to even boot, so how in the world is it created as a symlink pointing to only a specific file in the first place...
[12:41] <abclove>  Bodhi Linux is good?
[12:54] <pragmaticenigma> abclove: This channel focuses its attention to Official Ubuntu flavors only. Bodhi Linux is not supported here.
[12:55] <abclove> ah yeah
[12:56] <abclove> i can’t install lubuntu to old laptop, so i want to try others
[12:56] <abclove> :(
[12:56] <pragmaticenigma> abclove: If you want to talk about other linux distributions and derivatives, you're welcome to join the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[12:58] <abclove> ok
[13:14] <Peanut> Hi, I'm looking for a way to get Unicode U+26C5 (Sun behind cloud) on Ubuntu. Is there a way to see which fonts have it?
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> Peanut: It's not a font that provides that. The Operating itself has to support the glyph, which depending on your version of Ubuntu may not be available yet
[13:26] <Peanut> pragmaticenigma: It seems to work in my browser, and I found "http://design.ubuntu.com/font" which seems to support it. Switched my terminal to that font, still no luck - so I guess you're right there. Btw., I'm on 19.04.
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> Peanut: Looking up the history, the glyph was added to unicode in 2015, so it is supported. Though you are going to find that terminal fonts, since they are monospace, many not render all the glyphs due to limitations on size.
[13:38] <Peanut> pragmaticenigma: thanks. I found a tool to show my fonts, and indeed the monospace fonts don't have it.
[13:40] <Peanut> Ah well, back to work it is ;-)
[14:59] <gimmel> Anyone here with enough docker knowledge to know why I'm getting "ERROR: write /var/lib/docker/tmp/GetImageBlob148623335: no space left on device" ? This is a brand new Ubunut Server install on a 120Gb ssd. There appears to be plenty of space on the partition.
[15:10] <pragmaticenigma> gimmel: That sounds like a question better suited for a Docker forum
[15:16] <gimmel> pragmaticenigma: Yes and no, I'm chatting to them too, but it seems that my root filesystem isn't using the full partition.
[15:17] <leftyfb> gimmel: sounds like whoever installed it didn't install it properly
[15:17] <leftyfb> gimmel: I thought you said it had plenty of space?
[15:18] <lordcirth_> gimmel, do 'df -h /var/lib/docker/tmp/GetImageBlob148623335' to find out what partition it's actually on
[15:18] <lordcirth_> or possibly just /var/lib/docker/tmp/
[15:18] <gimmel> Here's some of the diagnostic info - https://pastebin.com/zDetBgC1
[15:19] <gimmel> I can't see / understand where the 110Gb partition is being factored into the df -h output.
[15:20] <leftyfb> "/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv  3.9G  2.9G  856M  78% /"
[15:20] <leftyfb> you only made it 4G in size
[15:20] <leftyfb> less than 1G left
[15:21] <gimmel> leftyfb: Granted, that's what I figuured from the output - but I don't see how I managed to do that. During install I used the whole disk didn't change any defaults. Why and when did it specify the 4Gb?
[15:22] <gimmel> Given it's lvm, I can resize that, right?
[15:22] <leftyfb> gimmel: you setup lvms/encrpytion. Somewhere in that process you didn't specify the whole disk for the root partition
[15:24] <gimmel> leftyfb: Ok, I won't deny it, but I thought I was looking out for that. It was my first server install and the installer is somewhat different. Am I right that I can extend it?
[15:24] <leftyfb> gimmel: yes. Though I don't have that procedure for you at the moment
[15:26] <lordcirth_> gimmel, can you pastebin 'pvdisplay'?
[15:29] <gimmel> lordcirth_: https://pastebin.com/LZ5qvVKs < pvdisplay
[15:29] <lordcirth_> gimmel, ok, that's good. your 110 GB partition is the PV. So you should be able to easily expand the / LV.
[15:31] <lordcirth_> gimmel, look at the manpage for 'lvextend'
[15:34] <gimmel> lordcirth_: $ sudo lvextend -L 100G /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv
[15:34] <gimmel> lordcirth_: is that looking right?
[15:34] <lordcirth_> gimmel, seems good to me
[15:35] <tds> I missed the start of this, but often you'll want to do this with --resizefs to resize the filesystem for you at the same time
[15:35] <tds> though you can always do that by hand with a resize2fs or whatever after anyway
[15:35] <gimmel> lordcirth_: and then $ sudo resize2fs /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv ?
[15:36] <gimmel> tds: haha, snap!
[15:36] <gimmel> Well that's done it - thanks guys! Still have no idea what question / dialogue I misread in the server install.
[15:40] <nrtriana> Hello friends!
[15:40] <nrtriana> I need help with GDM3
[15:41] <lordcirth_> Ah, I forgot that lvextend had a --resizefs flag to do it for you.
[15:41] <nrtriana> Can anybody help me please?
[15:41] <EoflaOE> !ask
[15:43] <nrtriana> My full username has accents and hyphens but they are not show in gdm3 login screen
[15:45] <leftyfb> nrtriana: don't put accents in your username?
[15:45] <nrtriana> How I can use Unicode characters in gdm3?
[16:02] <nrtriana> My username is nrtriana but my fullname is Néstor Rodríguez-Triana
[16:03] <nrtriana> I want to show my fullname in the gdm3 login screen
[16:03] <nrtriana> How can I do that?
[16:04] <jhutchins_wk> nrtriana: Maybe you can't.  Do you have your locale set properly?
[16:05] <nrtriana> Yes I have my locale set properly to es_ES.UTF8
[16:05] <nrtriana> I mean es_ES.UTF-8
[16:08] <EoflaOE> Both on login screen and the desktop? Did you apply it systemwide?
[16:08] <EoflaOE> nrtriana ^
[16:09] <nrtriana> I apply the locale systemwide... but does not work in gdm3
[16:10] <nrtriana> It's okay in my terminal and all my GNOME applications
[16:11] <EoflaOE> nrtriana: On the login and the desktop? Mine displays Arabic dates when set to ar_SY.UTF-8.
[16:11] <nrtriana> in the login screen appear only my username
[16:12] <nrtriana> in the login screen appear only my username not my fullname
[16:12] <EoflaOE> nrtriana: OK. before looking, which Ubuntu version are you using?
[16:13] <nrtriana> if I change my fullname to Nestor Rodriguez Triana then it appear
[16:13] <nrtriana> I use Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[16:14] <EoflaOE> nrtriana: OK. If there are no solution, then you might have to open a bug report to GDM with screenshot.
[16:15] <nrtriana> Ok EoflaOE thanks you
[16:15] <EoflaOE> You are welcome nrtriana
[16:17] <mystic> what is the ubuntu tool to create bootable iso ?
[16:17] <mystic> gui tool, like rufus
[16:17] <saor> Startup disk creator
[16:17] <saor> or etcher
[16:18] <mystic> 'make startup disk' is greyed out
[16:18] <saor> Try this: https://www.balena.io/etcher/
[16:18] <mystic> why wont it let me select the iso ...  wwhen i select it it wont appear
[16:19] <saor> Is it an ubuntu iso?
[16:19] <mystic> mx linux
[16:20] <EriC^^> mystic: startup disk creator is just for ubuntu is
[16:20] <EriC^^> *iso
[16:20] <mystic> jeez..  thats not very efficient
[16:20] <EriC^^> there's unetbootin for other iso, personally nothing beats dd
[16:20] <mystic> looks like i have to go back to windows yet again to do stuff :/
[16:21] <saor> or you could read and learn
[16:21] <mystic> when windows is so easy?  why?
[16:21] <EriC^^> mystic: just dd the iso, it's 1 simple command
[16:22] <EoflaOE> nrtriana: Pastebin the output of "locale" to see what is wrong.
[16:22] <tieinv> insert a usb for it to show in startup disk creator
[16:23] <EriC^^> mystic: you can actually just "sudo cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX"
[16:23] <nrtriana> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2hBMB5W8vr/
[16:24] <mystic> i get too confused abotu the path
[16:24] <mystic> no gui = no good for me
[16:24] <thechitowncubs> use tab completion
[16:25] <thechitowncubs>  /home/<TAB>
[16:25] <thechitowncubs> will show you directories
[16:25] <mystic> too complex and bothersome
[16:25] <thechitowncubs> not really
[16:25] <mystic> rufus will do it in seconds with mouse
[16:25] <mystic> for me it is
[16:25] <thechitowncubs> lol i understand
[16:25] <thechitowncubs> is rufus a good file manager
[16:26] <mystic> so.. off i go over to windows again...  cheers & ciao
[16:26] <thechitowncubs> so sad
[16:26] <thechitowncubs> have fun in the windows store
[16:27] <nrtriana> EoflaOE https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2hBMB5W8vr/
[16:28] <EoflaOE> nrtriana: OK. Is GDM3 on the latest version? It's 3.28.3.
[16:28] <lordcirth_> thechitowncubs, rufus is specifically for making bootable USBs, it's not a file manager.
[16:30] <nrtriana> gdm3/bionic-updates,bionic-security,now 3.28.3-0ubuntu18.04.4 amd64
[16:32] <nrtriana> EoflaOE: gdm3/bionic-updates,bionic-security,now 3.28.3-0ubuntu18.04.4 amd64
[16:32] <EoflaOE> nrtriana: Nice. You have found a bug, since nobody has experienced the full username rendering issue, and there is no solution yet.
[16:33] <thechitowncubs> lordcirth, oh ya thanks
[16:34] <nrtriana> EoflaOE: Ok, I'll report that bug
[16:35] <EoflaOE> nrtriana: Thanks. It's even better with screenshot and detailed description. You can run ubuntu-bug gdm3
[16:50] <nrtriana> EoflaOE: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1841810
[16:50] <EoflaOE> nrtriana: Saw the report in #ubuntu-bugs-announce
[16:53] <EoflaOE> nrtriana: Hopefully the developers will look at it. Thanks for reporting.
[16:53] <nrtriana> I hope it is solved EoflaOE
[16:54] <EoflaOE> nrtriana: Yes. When I have time, I will check it in 19.10 and see if it still has your issue.
[16:55] <nrtriana> Thank you EoflaOE!
[16:55] <EoflaOE> nrtriana: You are welcome
[17:27] <mystic> managed to make an mx linux os on usb.   but it messed up my boot menu. can only boot if i select usb.  if usb not plugged in i get some grub error.  how to fix my grub menu?  i have windows 10 and ubuntu 18 on there
[17:28] <mystic> im installing 'boot repair'   might work
[17:29] <tonyt> grubrescue is another option mystic
[17:30] <tomreyn> boot to ubuntu, install grub to where it should be installed
[17:30] <tomreyn> !yy.mm
[17:30] <mystic> well, i followed the online guide but 'ubable to locate package boot-loader...
[17:30] <mystic> i dont mind what I use but it would be nice to use one  that i CAN use?
[17:31] <lordcirth_> mystic, what guide? "boot-loader" isn't a package.
[17:31] <Blade> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ uname -a
[17:31] <Blade> Linux ubuntu-ivan 5.3.0-050300rc6-generic #201908252033 SMP Sun Aug 25 20:35:26 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:31] <Blade> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$
[17:31] <mystic> https://windowsreport.com/windows-10-bootloader-linux/
[17:31] <tomreyn> !paste | Blade
[17:31] <tomreyn> mystic: are you currently unable to boot ubuntu?
[17:32] <mystic> see, t yhats the problem.. people always tell me to google it and follow guides.. adn this is what happens. i look at some incorrect garbage, bit ive no idea whats wrongor right
[17:32] <lordcirth_> mystic, ah, ok. Did you add the repo like it said?
[17:32] <mystic> yea.. i can boot into it when i select usb but
[17:32] <mystic> i copied and pasted the commands yea
[17:33] <lordcirth_> mystic, and did it succeed in adding the repo?
[17:33] <mystic> i dont know
[17:33] <mystic> Reading package lists... Done
[17:33] <mystic> Building dependency tree
[17:33] <mystic> Reading state information... Done
[17:33] <mystic> E: Unable to locate package boot-loader
[17:33] <lordcirth_> mystic, well, you should have read it's output, then.
[17:33] <tomreyn> personally i'd usually trust current recommendations from ubuntu.com, wiki.ubuntu.com, help.ubuntu.com, and high scoring answers on askubuntu.com
[17:33] <tomreyn> (if current)
[17:34] <mystic> i can only boot into my ubuntu or windows if my mx liinux usb stick is in..
[17:34] <mystic> otherwise the grub is broken
 boot to ubuntu, install grub to where it should be installed
[17:34] <mystic> so now i haev booted into ubuntu, i can remove the mx linux usb.. andtry to fix the grub
[17:34] <mystic> but how
[17:35] <tomreyn> where was grub installed before you overwrote it?
[17:35] <mystic> i dont know.. on my system i guess
[17:35] <mystic> sdd inside laptop
[17:35] <tomreyn> sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[17:36] <tomreyn> post this ^
[17:36] <mystic> got no result
[17:37] <tomreyn> you need to run these commands in a !terminal
[17:37] <mystic> worked without the line at the end
[17:37] <mystic> god i really dont like this...
[17:38] <mystic> https://pastebin.com/0PjX7TYR
[17:38] <tomreyn> that you overwrote your grub installation? that's understandable.
[17:38] <mystic> inevitable, its too hard to understand the mx linux installer
[17:38] <tomreyn> can't comment on that, we only support ubuntu here
[17:38] <mystic> but the grub menu works only if i have usb plugged in and boot from it. so i guess its been moved to my usb mx linux
[17:39] <mystic> so if i unplug the stick, i can maybe fix the grub
[17:39] <mystic> then both with work
[17:39] <mystic> but the guide i saw didnt work
[17:39] <tomreyn> apt install os-prober
[17:40] <tomreyn> mystic: ^ run this.
[17:40] <tomreyn> you have /dev/sda, a 465.8 GiB disk which seems to contain windows and linux file systems as well as an EFI system partition.
[17:41] <tomreyn> this is apparently the only installed disk
[17:41] <mystic> boot repair installed no i used a different guide
[17:41] <tomreyn> do you want to boot from this disk?
[17:41] <EoflaOE> mystic: Does boot repair start?
[17:41] <mystic> yes.. as i said.. the mx linux is on a usb.. which i unplged.. so the boot repair will fix what i need to be fixed only
[17:42] <mystic> YEA
[17:42] <mystic> but i cant select next 'grub still present'
[17:43] <EoflaOE> mystic: Are there no options to reinstall GRUB?
[17:44] <mystic> i resterted it.. seems to bo doing it now
[17:45] <mystic> keeps telling me to copy and paste stuff in terminal.. am doing
[17:46] <tomreyn> i have little experience with "boot-repair", and it's not in Ubuntu. Personally I would use standard utilities provided by Ubuntu to install a boot loader if the system is still bootable.
[17:46] <mystic> i would have just triple booted on the same disk, windows 10 ubuntu, and mx, but too difficult for mw
[17:47] <mystic> me*
[17:47] <tomreyn> EoflaOE seems to have more experience with it, so i suggest you continue working with him now.
[17:47] <mystic> i want to try mx and linux for a few weeks ,see what ia prefer.. but running mx only on usb isnt a fair comparison
[17:48] <mystic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fNm6KRVpRw/
[17:48] <mystic> thats the summary... brb will try a reboot
[17:54] <mystic> worked like a charm.. am now using grub customiser to clear up the pointless boot entries
[17:54] <lordcirth_> mystic, great
[17:54] <EoflaOE> mystic: Nice. Make sure you don't remoe something important.
[17:54] <EoflaOE> remove*
[17:55] <mystic> will remove adnvaced options for ubuntu, the windows eufi stuff, and just leave ubuntu, windows 10, and system setup on there
[17:56] <EoflaOE> mystic: Do you mean Windows Boot manager?
[17:56] <mystic> yea. kept that..  i will restart and see if its all tidy
[17:59] <mystic> brillaint, all tidy, and my mx linux doesnt interfere with boot up even when its plugged in.  only boots from usb if i hit f11 and select it
[18:02] <EoflaOE> mystic: Nice, so is that what you want?
[18:02] <mystic> ideally triple boot but i geuss thats asking too much.. i think this is ok thanks
[18:02] <mystic> cant put mx linux through its paces via usb
[18:03] <mystic> and leave windows 10/ubuntu well alone on my main sdd
[18:03] <EoflaOE> You are welcome.
[18:04] <mystic> Cheers   again,  back later
[18:50] <makr8100> on a recent update of xserver-xorg-video-intel it seems that i915 drivers are broken on E6xxx CPU's but is working on E8xxx CPU's on 16.04, anyone else having this issue?
[18:51] <makr8100> I'm comparing core 2 duos - E6550 and E8500
[18:52] <makr8100> I can't find it again, but something made it seem like the gpu was running in 32 bit on the 6550
[18:52] <sarnold> makr8100: hm, do you have older kernel packages still installed? I'm curious if rebooting into an older kernel may help
[18:53] <makr8100> I'm not sure
[18:54] <makr8100> 1 more note on this, it was found because the process [hromium-browser --type=gpu-process ...] is spiked ~100% nonstop
[18:55] <makr8100> these machines are updated on a script at boot time, and I've got ~100 to manage
[18:56] <makr8100> thinking about disabling hw accel in chromium as an easier fix
[18:57] <makr8100> can't run glxinfo from ssh >.< not that I'm surprised, just annoyingly reminded of it lol
[18:57] <IkoIko> hi, i'm trying to install the latest me-tv 1.3.7 on ubuntu 19.04 and i get dependency error, anyone know a fix?
[18:58] <sarnold> IkoIko: pastebin the errors?
[18:58] <sarnold> makr8100: annoying :(
[18:58] <sarnold> makr8100: did you report the chrome thing earlier? that sounds ever so vaguely familiar
[18:58] <IkoIko> sarnold, how can i do that?
[18:59] <makr8100> I have to put on steel toes and ear/eye protection and leave irc to physically go to these machines so the more I can ssh the better lol
[18:59] <sarnold> IkoIko: copy and paste the command you ran and the output you got to https://paste.ubuntu.com/ and then give us the url
[18:59] <sarnold> makr8100: cripes
[18:59] <makr8100> and no I didn't report the chrome thing
[18:59] <sarnold> makr8100: I'd defintely go to some length to avoid them too :)
[18:59] <IkoIko> i dont know the command sarnold
[19:00] <makr8100> IkoIko: go to pastebin.com or something of the like and paste your terminal output there, then paste the link it gives you into here
[19:00] <sarnold> IkoIko: ahhh.. how about a screenshot? can you take a screenshot and upload it to imgur.com or something similar?
[19:00] <makr8100> that way we can read your errors without flooding the channel
[19:00] <IkoIko> what is the command for terminal to get the error list?
[19:01] <makr8100> the output of the terminal command apt should suffice
[19:01] <IkoIko> apt what?
[19:02] <IkoIko> full command please
[19:02] <ioria> IkoIko, do you know that me-tv is no more available (from xenial+ ) ?
[19:02] <IkoIko> im on disco
[19:02] <sarnold> that's kind of why we wanted the screenshot or output of *somnething*, so we can suggest what package to try to install with apt :)
[19:02] <ioria> !info me-tv disco
[19:02] <ioria> !info me-tv xenial
[19:03] <IkoIko> sie, thnx, i hope its updated cause i love me-tv
[19:04] <makr8100> IkoIko: you can always seek out the .deb package and install it manually, or search for it in other/unofficial repos
[19:04] <IkoIko> i guess all use kaffine for now
[19:04] <Pici> IkoIko: Looks like it was removed from debian because it was unmaintained and thus removed from Ubuntu, see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755451
[19:05] <IkoIko> makr8100 been there done that. :)
[19:05] <IkoIko> oh, thnx Pici
[19:05] <makr8100> vlc maybe?  that's what I run
[19:05] <makr8100> depends on what you're trying to accomplish with said media player
[19:05] <IkoIko> i havent figured out how to use tv tuner with vlc yet LOL
[19:06] <makr8100> oof, that limits things
[19:07] <IkoIko> i need a totorial
[19:09] <IkoIko> me-tv is orphaned
[19:09] <IkoIko> oh well
[19:23] <B|ack0p> hi
[19:23] <mystic> what is the default hexchat server when using ubuntu?
[19:23] <mystic> im on mx linux, but the hexchat defualt is different and some rooms are missing
[19:24] <mystic> want to use the same one as ubuntu
[19:24] <ioria> mystic,  try  irc.ubuntu.com/8001
[19:25] <mystic> thanks. i'll try to find it on the list
[19:25] <mystic> its not on the list
[19:26] <mystic> list*
[19:27] <ioria> mystic,  Add ?
[19:27] <mystic> dont know what you myean sorr
[19:27] <mystic> im just looking at the hexchat network list
[19:27] <ioria> mystic,  yo can add a new server in network List
[19:27] <sarnold> mystic: you may find this useful too https://netsplit.de/
[19:28] <mystic> didnt work, unknown
[19:29] <mystic> nobody else using hexchat here?
[19:30] <makr8100> sarnold: the older kernel version didn't fix it
[19:30] <sarnold> makr8100: dang :( thanks for giving it a try
[19:30] <makr8100> 4.4.0-93-generic vs 4.4.0-96-generic
[19:31] <ioria> mystic,  try chat.freenode.net
[19:31] <makr8100> perhaps an even older version might, but that seems too involved to be jumping kernel versions around all willy-nilly
[19:32] <mystic> dont think im doing it right. dont understand how to add
[19:32] <ioria> mystic,  press Add ?
[19:33] <ioria> mystic,  and then Edit
[19:34] <sarnold> makr8100: oh wow.. there's a *bunch* of i915 entries in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/linux/+changelog -- I'm getting the impression the newer 4.4.0 kernels should be around 159: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux  -- are you missing updates?
[19:35] <mystic> ahh,, one worked, but no mx r room... other one didnt work
[19:39] <ubone> about network namespaces, i did 'ip netns add ffox' and 'ip link set dev ppp0 netns ffox', how to assign address is what i'm supposed to do next?
[19:43] <mystic> got a tar file here, how to install ?   last time i tried my self i messed up my os
[19:44] <sarnold> ubone: ip -n ffox ...
[19:47] <mystic> thats far to hard, you have to know the exact paths etc.  what a ridiculous system.  a mouse click to install is too simple?
[19:48] <ubone> usually it's make install, depends
[19:48] <mystic> yea, but wherem how... its ridiculous
[19:48] <mystic> 'depends'  also... dammit no wonder windows is so popular
[19:49] <mystic> im just staring at the 'guide' clueless.  cant do it
[19:51] <mystic> plus on different linux os's there are different rules and commands
[19:52] <mystic> no way i can do that. giving up
[19:52] <bprompt> heheh
[19:53] <bprompt> mystic:   why did you get the tar anyway?   I mean, some packages come with an installer like .debs or .rpms and you can install those in a cinch, a tar will mean most likely a source code, and thus it'd need compiling, the same is true in windows btw if you're compiling from source, as opposed to installing an .msi or .exe
[19:55] <bprompt> mystic:   maybe you simply got the wrong installation package, now if there isn't an installer provided by the package developer, then you get what's available
[19:55] <mystic> software pacakge manager didnt install it, some error
[19:55] <ubone> how to know what ip to assign to a namespace?
[19:56] <mystic> linux is ridiculous for anyone but hobbyists
[19:56] <mystic> tired of running into problem after problem
[19:57] <lordcirth_> mystic, that is both false, and off-topic.
[19:58] <makr8100> sarnold: I have 159 available for install
[19:58] <mystic> i follwed terminal commands, they all 'worked'  and ran. yet the software is not installed or is not showing in my app drawer
[19:59] <mystic> had enough.. logging out of the dam thing
[19:59] <mystic> ciao
[20:00] <sarnold> makr8100: give it a try?
[20:01] <makr8100> best idea I've heard yet lol
[20:03] <cow0w> Hi, trying to download entire website, but seems somes files are skipped, any idea why?
[20:03] <makr8100> 4.4.92: drm/i915/bios: ignore HDMI on port A
[20:04] <makr8100> I've tried 4.4.93 after starting on 4.4.96, will try upgrade first but possibly try to downgrade if that fails
[20:04] <makr8100> ignore HDMI?  D:
[20:04] <makr8100> but you weren't kidding about "lots" of i915 changes
[20:35] <makr8100> sarnold: -159 fixed it
[20:36] <tomreyn> so installing updates helps, doh!
[20:36] <tomreyn> ;-P
[20:46] <sarnold> makr8100: woot! :D thanks
[20:48] <antlong> has anyone encountered the situation where pressing > makes < appear and you can't get < to work under any circumstance
[20:55] <tomreyn> antlong: please don't cross-post
[21:18] <mystic> why kik me
[21:27] <mystic> can linux run on a commodore 64?
[21:32] <OerHeks> mystic, please troll elsewhere, thanks.
[21:33] <mystic> i was genuine curious.  why is everything trolling to you
[21:44] <fabulaztika> u can probably run netbsd on it
[21:47] <tomreyn> !ot
[21:47] <Habbie> fabulaztika, feeding the troll is not useful :)
[22:01] <mystic> wonderd when you'd chime in habbie... the only troll here is you
[22:04] <naftilos76> Hi, my vps is a trusty box and the sources list off course do not work - what should i do in this case? Change them to subdomain old-releases.ubuntu.com ?
[22:04] <cluelessperson> naftilos76  What doesn't work?  What's the result?  What's the command you run?
[22:05] <mystic> and why did you do it
[22:05] <naftilos76> sudo apt update gets stuck
[22:05] <tomreyn> naftilos76: upgrade it to a supported release or reinstall using a supported release
[22:05] <naftilos76> when trying to connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com
[22:06] <naftilos76> i just need access to the packages even if they are old
[22:06] <Bashing-om> !14.04 | naftilos76 ^^
[22:06] <OerHeks> naftilos76, a vps and trusty, are you really using that? no right on support here, ask your vps vendor for an upgrade
[22:07] <OerHeks> or support with getting files back
[22:07] <naftilos76> for god's sake - people - i do not want to upgrade because i would have to set up a million things in there - all i asked was about the sources list file...
[22:08] <mystic> ever considered upgrading nat?
[22:08] <OerHeks> your vps is heavily tweaked, i am sure we can not help
[22:09] <naftilos76> off course you can't
[22:09] <sudoISS> Hey all, I hope everyone is doing well. I've got a Hyper-V Ubuntu Server 18.04 machine that doesn't connect to our network at boot. This is an easy enough problem to fix, thanks to that Hyper-V console window, buuuut... I'd like to know how to set it right, to do it automatically.
[22:09] <saor> Upgrading once support ends is what you are supposed to do, i wouldnt be so supprised when thats th advise you are given
[22:10] <mystic> or pay up naft....
[22:12] <naftilos76> unbelievable...
[22:12] <saor> Or that, jsut make a good backup spinup a dev enviorment get all you stuff setup then turn off the 14.04 box.
[22:12] <mystic> lol.. im just kidding naft... sometimes ite helpful in here.. sometimes not.  im sure you noticed
[22:14] <OerHeks> mystic, you have been asked to troll elsewhere..
[22:14] <OerHeks> !ops
[22:14] <mystic> and i kindly aasked you to minf your own business
[22:15] <tomreyn> sudoISS: how do you mean "doesn't connect to our network at boot", what exactly does it not do? why do you expect it to do this? and how were you abe to fix it outside of this system ("Hyper-V console window")?
[22:16] <OerHeks> an no PM, thanks.
[22:18] <cow0w> how do I download all files without any subdirs from a website, im trying with -r -l 1 -np, but for some reason it still downloading everything
[22:18] <tomreyn> cow0w: are thosae options to the "download" command then?
[22:19] <cow0w> sorry  fogot to mation using wget;p
[22:20] <OerHeks> -l1: depth = 1 .. so it is not copying everything, just 1 level deep
[22:20] <sudoISS> @tomreyn: It doesn't pick up an IP address via DHCP. I'm playing with it now, but, basically all I have to do is `sudo dhclient` as my first command. Then I can use it.
[22:20] <cow0w> yeah.. but it is:( it download subdirs and stuff
[22:21] <sudoISS> @tomreyn: If you configure Ubuntu WITH a network at the beginning, it will do this automatically - however at setup, I deliberately told it not to, and now it just... doesn't pick up DHCP unless you tell it to. I suppose I could do an "at boot, immediately run `sudo dhclient`" cron job, but I'm not sure if that's the "best practice" method, or if there's a system service that does this that I should enable so it runs at boot.
[22:21] <cow0w> any idea why its ignoring my -l 1 ?
[22:22] <mystic> virus?
[22:23] <tomreyn> mystic: please just leave now.
[22:23] <mystic> it could be a virus.. ok, i wont 'help'
[22:25] <tomreyn> sudoISS: how did you install ubuntu 18.04 server? which version exactly, which installer exactly?
[22:26] <tomreyn> sudoISS: generally, ubuntu 18.04 server will use systemd-networkd for nework configuration, with the option of managing this using netplan.
[22:26] <tomreyn> all you probably need to do to make the system use dhcp automatically is to edit the network configuration.
[22:27] <tomreyn> !server
[22:29] <cow0w> tomreyn, Im using: wget -r -np -l1 https://updates.jenkins.io/ -> But it keep downloading all subdirectories.. any idea why?;x
[22:31] <OerHeks> maybe change to https://updates.jenkins.io/current/
[22:32] <KOLANICH> https://gitlab.com/KOLANICH/AptSourcesHardener.py
[22:32] <cow0w> but thats a different url;x?
[22:34] <tomreyn> KOLANICH: this can be a fine script, but please don't advertise it on this support channel.
[22:34] <OerHeks> if i look in the https://updates.jenkins.io/ folder, there are multiple versions and updates and such
[22:34] <cow0w> yeah, I just wanna download the htmls and the jsons.. without any subdir
[22:35] <tomreyn> cow0w: i do not know off the top of my head, would need to read the manual and test as well
[22:38] <KOLANICH> tomreyn: OK. BTW why isn't signed-by used by default in Ubuntu?
[22:39] <mystic> keep it on topic kolanchi
[22:40] <KOLANICH> mystic: why is APT in Ubuntu considered offtop?
[22:40] <mystic> i dont know i dont understand it, but i saw toms warning earlier
[22:42] <OerHeks> KOLANICH, not sure what your script does, but our repo packages are signed, just https is not enabled, install apt-transport-https for that
[22:43] <KOLANICH> OerHeks: I know, but why are sources not tied to specific public keys, as Debian manual recommends?
[22:44] <el> mystic: if you can't stop being a smart alec then please remove yourself from the temptation to behave like that. you can rejoin if and when you need to ask another support question.
[22:44] <el> oh lol i'm still opped from the netsplit
[22:45] <KOLANICH> In fact I feel like we should do even more and also restrict which packages can be installed from which repo.
[22:45] <mystic> i can remove myself from the temptation.. i will be silent
[22:46] <KOLANICH> ... and probably sandbox some packages installation.
[22:47] <OerHeks> does debian use different keys for universe, main an so on?
[22:48] <OerHeks> sudo apt-key list # gives all current keys, and the key to the ubuntu repos, and iso. pretty neat and safe, if you ask me
[22:49] <KOLANICH> OerHeks: it is not about official, it is about unofficial ones. Though I don't think it improves security greatly, just reduced counts of possible attacks a bit. The main vulnr that apt is run from root and runs scripts and that any repo can overwrite everything is still the worst one.
[22:50] <OerHeks> well, talk to them, it is not an ubuntu issue, as 'unofficial' 3rd party ppas do have a key too
[22:51] <OerHeks> google chrome deb on their site is in fact the ppa rule, and key. so no problem there
[22:55] <KOLANICH> OerHeks: the problem the script solves is the following. Let's assumme there are several repos added into sources.lists and several keys. Let's assume that some repos are accessed via an insecure channel and/or hosted on a rogue hosting (but signing InRelease is beyond adversary access because he doesn't know private key). Let's assume that adversary has managed to get access to private key of some other repo installed into system. If all the repâ
[22:55] <KOLANICH> …os are not bound to public keys he can combine compromised key with compromised connection and get RCE. If they are bound, he cannot.
[22:56] <KOLANICH> So I wonder why doesn't Ubuntu bind keys to sources by default. It is a trivial to do, I don't see any good reason not to do that.
[22:57] <OerHeks> i see
[22:59] <tomreyn> !discuss | KOLANICH