[00:01] Night_Elf: it might be worth putting some time into openssl s_client to try to reproduce the problem [00:03] sarnold: I will see to find what I can. Need to get me familiar with the openssl utilities and check. I'd think that Ubuntu and Mint use the same. While Debian probably has something slightly different, regardless of the same version number. [00:04] found this issue. fucking hp: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2392797 [00:05] It is worth mentioning that I have noticed this even 2 years ago. Last I tried was these last few days, thinking that it might have been fixed. To what I remember, it could as well be some parameters in the hashing algorithms, regrding sizes. [00:06] matzy_: woooooow that sucks [00:08] I have started to avoid HP laptops for years now. I have seen that the best to use with any linux, are Lenovo and also Fujitsu. [00:10] Night_Elf: I bought a HP laptop in December and the only issue was having to change OS boot manager to ubuntu for it to boot into ubuntu [00:25] if battery of laptop inflated then it is dangerous like explosion? [00:25] yes [00:26] but i have no money to buy battery now :( i can’t close my laptop cover now :( [00:26] i want to cry now :( [00:26] sure, dangerous, firehazard. [00:26] firehazard? [00:26] :( [00:27] i use macbook pro 13 inch now [00:27] i use it without back cover, it is ok? OerHeks and sarnold ? [00:27] oke, good luck [00:28] abclove: do not use it. do not charge it. [00:28] that question is not for ubuntu, maybe ##hardware will anser otherwise than dangerous and firehazard [00:28] dang i was too slow to pass along https://www.ifixit.com/Wiki/What_to_do_with_a_swollen_battery [00:29] he will find out somehour [00:44] how do you tune mouse wheel scroll speed? [00:45] if you're using the standard ubuntu install there's something in the control panels for that [00:47] and gnome-tweaks-tool hase some more [00:47] !info gnome-tweak-tool [00:47] gnome-tweak-tool (source: gnome-tweaks): adjust advanced settings for GNOME - transitional package. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.28.1-1 (bionic), package size 1 kB, installed size 12 kB [00:48] is there a xfce tweak tool? ;o [00:50] nope, there is a theme manager [00:50] and tons of guides with tweaks and tips [00:54] Hi, what are some tips for power and temperature management? Is there a tool that will allow me to put my laptop in low power/temperature mode (underclock on-the-fly)? [00:57] !info laptop-mode-tools [00:57] laptop-mode-tools (source: laptop-mode-tools): Tools for Power Savings based on battery/AC status. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.71-2ubuntu1 (bionic), package size 83 kB, installed size 378 kB [00:57] coffeecow: I don't recall seeing a way to flip from high-power to low-power, but this may help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagement/ThermalIssues [00:57] !info tlp [00:57] tlp (source: tlp): Save battery power on laptops. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1-2ubuntu1 (bionic), package size 55 kB, installed size 284 kB [00:57] use one of the 2, tlp is an old project, laptop-mode-tools is preferred [01:00] thanks [01:08] My desktop is running Ubuntu 19.04. The other day I installed the updates and nothing else and now I can't log into the UI (I can still log in at a terminal shell prompt). When I try to log in, the screen goes black for about 20 seconds then takes me back to the login screen [01:11] devslash: I have seen that behaviour too. I have no idea what it might be. My resolve to that was to just install another login manager and desktop environment altogether. [01:12] devslash: 'Nother thought - broken graphic's driver - what shows ' sudo lshw -C display ' ? [01:15] let me check [01:15] hello? [01:17] So when my bluetooth keyboard connects it thinks it's a number pad until I plugin a wired keyboard and manually hit numlock [01:17] Bashing-om: for me that option seemed improbable. I was using an external driver for my graphic card, one I got from nvidia and installed manually. So the update didn't change the driver. === mIk3_09 is now known as mIk3_08 [01:18] hello? [01:19] yes we read you gambl0re. Please keep the random greetings to a minimum, to reduce the chit-chat and keep a 1130 member channel tidy and efficient. === zbenjamin is now known as Guest2029 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [01:19] Night_Elf, hey [01:19] anyone know how or have a guide how to install wine on xubuntu/ubuntu? [01:20] Bashing-om, https://termbin.com/1xwn [01:20] gambl0re: sudo apt-get install wine does not do it? [01:20] i didnt try but i read a whole bunch of articles and they want you to do enter all these commands and not sure if it's even necessary [01:20] Night_Elf, is that it? [01:21] gambl0re: Most probably you want "sudo apt-get install wine64" [01:22] whats the diff between wine and playonlinux? [01:22] you can check what you have with "apt-get search wine [01:22] A front end for wine. [01:22] Bashing-om, I also did apt list | grep nvidia and I see packages for nvidia with different versions not sure if that matters [01:22] is it better to install playonlinux instead? [01:22] apt-cache* search ? [01:23] What you can do, is install synaptic (if it is not there already) and then use that to install stuff. [01:23] devslash: Well not a driver issue "configuration: driver=nvidia" nvidia module did load. Next in my process of elimination is authority - what shows ' ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ' ? [01:23] wine + winetricks scripts = playonlinux [01:24] Betal: yes. apt-cache search [01:24] and there is wine 4.01 out https://tecadmin.net/install-wine-on-ubuntu/ [01:24] Bashing-om, ahh i fixed it it was a perm issue [01:24] ah yah... I wrote it wrong abobe. Sorry for that everyone. Seems like tiredness has kicked in [01:25] devslash: :D .. and to see what nvidia installes ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' :) [01:27] Night_Elf, i need to use photoshop on linux [01:29] gambl0re: I think you have a bit of a bumpy road ahead. There might be libraries you need more that what wine provides for using complex software such as photoshop. [01:30] Night_Elf, https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/install-adobe-photoshop-linux/ [01:30] application help in #winehq [01:30] !wine [01:30] WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu [01:31] Night_Elf, :) [01:31] darktable is much better [01:36] Bashing-om, i rebooted and the problem came back [01:38] same issue. terminal login works. ui crashes [01:38] back to login [01:39] hi, this question is kind of an off-topic but do you know where i can get a detailed information on how to setup e-mail server? [01:39] juanonymous: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/email-services.html [01:39] i have a GTX 750 TI graphics card. which nvidia card should i be using [01:41] devslash, 334 and up .. https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/73666/en-us [01:42] i have multiple versions apparently [01:42] 331-430 [01:42] at least 5 different versions [01:43] sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall # picks the right one IIRC [01:43] what about all of the other versions that i have installed [01:43] sarnold: thanks [01:44] devslash: Also purge all the old drivers - and the config file if the purge does not get the config file . [01:46] Bashing-om, https://termbin.com/p75sw [01:46] should i remove all 252 of those packages [01:47] devslash: What command did you run to get that generic output ^ ? show us ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' instead. [01:48] i did [01:48] apt list | grep nvidia [01:49] that's not a useful list :) any of us can generate that one, it doesn't tell us anything about *your* system [01:49] so ubuntu-packages list shows 340,430,390 and 415 [01:49] devslash: ^ that shows you all that the repo contains for nvidia :P not what is on your install. [01:49] i thought that apt-cache search does that [01:50] devslash: "apt search" is a refinement. [01:50] ok so whcih ones should i remove [01:53] devslash: show us -zar3- the output of ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' whicj shows the nvidia files installed to the system. to see the modules run ' lsmod | grep nvidia '. [01:54] Bashing-om, https://termbin.com/kpwe [01:55] zar3? [01:56] Hi all. I've installed a fresh version of Ubuntu 18.04 and nvidia-driver-430, and I can't figure out how to get my nvidia driver settings to persist across reboot. I change something in the layout, and then go "Save to Configuration File", and save it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and then I reboot, but it doesn't load the changes from that config file. I [01:56] 've also tried putting it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/xorg.conf, etc/X11/Xsession.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf, nothing seems to work. Any tips? Thanks. [01:56] i dunno what else to do [01:56] im also ready to reformat [01:57] almost [01:57] sarnold: radio talk for repeated request :P [01:57] Bashing-om: aha! :D thanks [01:58] devslash: mir ? What Gives ? Show us ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' . [01:58] hjow so you list the actual packages installed when i do dpkg -l it shows packages that arent installed because apt-get remove says that' [01:58] blank [01:59] devslash: dpkg -l | grep ^ii [01:59] thats not correct [01:59] in what way? [01:59] it lists packages that arent installed [01:59] try it [01:59] i did [01:59] thats what i am trying to explain [02:00] it lists packages that apt-get remove says arent installed [02:00] then please show us what happens when you try to apt-get purge a package that is in state ii [02:00] devslash: Why would you think your package manager would lie to you ? [02:00] i dunno its not working right [02:00] any package i rtry to remove it says its not installed [02:01] devslash: You came here for help - and we are trying .. but if you go off somewhere we do not know about ,,, we can not follow and help. [02:02] i havent [02:02] i did dpkg -l | grep i nvidia [02:02] grep i [02:02] is not the same as [02:02] grep ^ii [02:02] it lists for example nvidia-headless-390 if i apt-get remove it its not installed [02:02] no -i [02:02] grep -i [02:03] I'm done. good luck, [02:03] devslash: we need to see that output in a pastebin . It shows what parts of the nvidia driver is installed. [02:03] which command [02:03] the echo command ? [02:04] devslash: ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' will work for my present purposes :) [02:05] Bashing-om, https://termbin.com/maee [02:06] i think im just gonna reformat. this thing is hosed [02:07] devslash: well ,, that is one option :) .. but we may be able to fix this install . Still curiois how mor and wayland play here .. as nvidia and wayland is still a work in progress. what shows ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' ? [02:08] nothing [02:08] that is blank [02:08] mor/Mir* [02:08] dont use it i dont think [02:11] devslash: Let's try this -pastebin ' loginctl session-status ' . see here if we can figure out the environment you are in. [02:12] im currently in a term session [02:12] does that matter [02:14] devslash: You do show "i mir-platform-graphics-eglstream-kms16:amd64" which makes me consider that you are attempting to run Wayland with proprietary driver . That is still under development. [02:15] i dont want to mess up what youre trying to do to help me but i removed all nvidia drivers because i had 4 different versions [02:16] when i try to log in it says Unity (default) [02:16] devslash: Maybe .. are you aware the the "rc" means - (R)emoved but (C)onfig files remain ? [02:16] no [02:16] where do you see that [02:17] devslash: Your https://termbin.com/maee :) [02:17] ok [02:18] what should i do [02:18] i still cant log in [02:20] i purged all nvidia drivers. dpkg -l | grep nvidia shows nothing [02:21] and rebooted [02:21] devslash: Well - we still need to know the environment for the desktop that you have - then see if we are to purge the Nvidia driver or whatever. 1st is to know the environment. By the way unity ? what release is this ? post back ' lsb-release -a ' . [02:21] 19.04 [02:21] was working fine earlier [02:21] rebooted then it started up again [02:22] So when my bluetooth keyboard connects it thinks it's a number pad until I plugin a wired keyboard and manually hit numlock [02:24] devslash: As you have removed Nvidia, then nouveau should have loaded - did it ? show ; ' lsmod | grep nouveau ' . [02:31] shows that its loaded [02:35] devslash: And looks like this: https://termbin.com/y34q ? [02:36] yes. just a sec ive made some progress [02:38] so i was able to log in without nvidia [02:38] i installed 384 and the problem returned [02:39] devslash: Pastebin ' sudo lshw -C display '. [02:39] doo you want to see that with or without nvidia drivers installed [02:40] devslash: As the system is now :) [02:42] Bashing-om, https://termbin.com/x4n5 [02:42] no nvidia drivers installed [02:43] devslash: Yup - " latency=0 [02:44] my cpu fan spins up for a few seconds every minute or so when i use ubuntu without nvidia drivers [02:44] devslash: Opps on that last ; Yup "onfiguration: driver=nouveau latency=0" where the nouveau driver is loaded . [02:46] !info nvidia-driver-430 disco | dev [02:46] dev: Package nvidia-driver-430 does not exist in disco [02:47] i just thought of something else [02:47] secure boot must be disabled in the bios in order for nvidia drivers to load [02:47] devslash: Well, nvidia reommends the 430 version driver for that GeForce GTX 750 Ti card. [02:48] devslash: Yup . agreed .. secure boot disbaled . [02:48] not in my repo [02:48] im trying 384 [02:49] !info nvidia-driver-384 disco [02:49] Package nvidia-driver-384 does not exist in disco [02:49] which iirc worked well in the past [02:50] devslash: Ya know this is not Windows ? .. what shows ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' to see what drivers are presently available with what the system has to choose from. [02:51] ahh shit [02:51] it boots into emergency mode now [02:52] just a sec let me see if i can figure out whats going on [02:54] i did dpkg --configure -a because i guess dpkg was interrupted and now im stuck on the purple ubuntu screen [02:55] i think this pc is screwed up [02:56] Bashing-om, do you have any other suggestions [02:57] it boots to initramfs prompt now [02:57] devslash: Could be - you are the best judge of that circunstance - consider - only takes 30 minutes to RE-install and copy backups back in place - I can do it in 15 as I have had practice :P [02:57] well im gonna do it on a new ssd if i go that route [02:58] this pos is f*cked beyound repair [02:58] apparently my ubuntu 18.04 LTS install is on kernel version 5? is that right? I though LTS version 18.xx would only get kernel 4.xx [02:58] devslash: Can you boot a recovery console from the grub boot menu ? [02:58] how [02:58] i tried booting into single mode and it boots to initramfs prompt [02:58] !hwe | nshire [02:58] nshire: The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [02:58] i added single after quiet splash at the grub prompt [03:00] interesting. didn't expect to get kernel 5 on 18.xx lts [03:00] nshire: the HWE stack is "rolling" these days https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack [03:00] nshire: so you'll get the disco kernel shortly after disco comes out, the eoan kernel shortly after eoan comes out, etc [03:01] Bashing-om, i chose recovery but when i get to an initramfs i cant type [03:02] nshire: ^^ now if it is your desire to remain on the 4.15.0-58-generic kernel series, then one installs the 18.04.1 release. [03:02] its a vm so it seems fine. I'll see how my laptop goes, not sure if its updated yet [03:03] i think my ssd might be bad [03:03] nshirelaptop: what'd you find? :) [03:04] devslash: In the event of "bad ssd" thoughts - one runs a SMART test for a status. [03:04] i dunno just a guess [03:04] but now my fricking kb doesnt work at an initramfs prompt [03:26] /exit [03:36] how i can specify domain name using netplan ? [04:02] So when my bluetooth keyboard connects it thinks it's a number pad until I plugin a wired keyboard and manually hit numlock === SysGhost is now known as SysGhzst === SysGhzst is now known as SysGhost [07:06] I successfully installed Windows10 a few minutes ago on top of Ubuntu 19.04 by VM virtual box. Nevertheless, the speed of Win10 was extremely low that the new OS is almost unusable. Does anyone have any idea? [07:32] sam_wong: maybe you did not assign much RAM to it, or you have some virtualization supporting CPU flags disabled in your BIOS setup [07:33] generally, any virtualization will consume an amount of resources, so don't ever expect things to be as fast as they would be when running natively. [07:34] tomreyn: Actually, I have assigned 4G of Ram for the new OS. [07:35] sam_wong: which hardware do you have there? [07:35] journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:' [07:35] tomreyn: How to enable those cpu flags [07:36] Asrock H55 LGA1156 with 10G of DDR3 [07:37] grep vmx /proc/cpuinfo | head -n1 [07:37] tomreyn: i3@2.93Ghz cpu [07:38] but does it report vmx? [07:38] tomreyn: no [07:39] then you should enable "VT-X" in bios [07:40] tomreyn: Do all motherboards have this function (VT-X) in bios? [07:41] any that are slightly recent [07:41] like, the past 10 years or so [07:41] that's on intel platforms, but you have that [07:41] you should also see VT-d, enable this too. [07:42] tomreyn: My motherboard was bought 8 years ago so it should have this function too, I think [07:42] i would think all intel core CPUs have it [07:42] at least VT-x [07:43] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization#Intel_virtualization_(VT-x) [07:43] there are cases of cpus having vt-x but the mb not supporting it [07:44] ricks_: If my board doesn't support this function, do you mean there is nothing I can do? [07:44] "Asrock H55" does not actually exist, but there are many other similarily named ones [07:45] if you're certain you have it you can install refind as your bootloader; it has an option to force it [07:45] http://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Activating_the_Intel_VT_Virtualization_Feature === jmcgnh_ is now known as jmcgnh === jmcgnh is now known as jmcgnh_ === jmcgnh_ is now known as jmcgnh [08:09] howdy [08:19] when is ubuntu 20 out? 19 is too unstable [08:19] in 2020? [08:19] mystic: you're kidding? [08:20] April 2020 [08:20] mystic: the release number comes from the year of release [08:20] kidding? no. lots of stuff wouldnt work for me. [08:20] oh i see... definately 2020 then lol. good. look forward to it [08:21] first up is 19.10 [08:21] probly be rubbish too [08:21] i'll avoid it [08:21] 18 is fine , then jump to 20. 19 is more for testers [08:21] stick with LTS releases then [08:22] Yes sir [08:24] https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2144619 <—i can’t install ubuntu [08:25] ubuntu installer is very good.. easy gui. i was trying to install mx linux but gave up due to havign to choose your own partition tables /swap etc... [08:28] abclove: What computer? [08:28] is is made in 2005 with 500mb ram [08:28] jeremy31: [08:28] probly 32 bit then... [08:28] yeah correct [08:29] Isn't minimum ram for Ubuntu about 2GB? [08:29] 500MB RAM? forget it [08:29] u might be better trying lubuntu or something smaller [08:29] i will upgrade ram soon [08:29] then install ubuntu soon, not before lol [08:29] i tried to install lubuntu [08:30] even with 2GB RAM Ubuntu won't run that great, go with Xubuntu instead [08:30] ubuntu alternative server installer may work [08:30] xubuntu [08:30] anyway i can’t install linux on laptop? [08:30] https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2144619 [08:31] I've still got 14.04 on one system [08:31] nope, upgrade the RAM first if it's possible [08:31] thats naughty FMan [08:31] lol [08:31] M_aD: i think that it is not related with ram, because 44 mb is enough to install ubuntu [08:32] lol [08:32] what a stupidity this morning [08:32] * M_aD heads out [08:33] yea. 44mb and 12 kb hdd space [08:34] even linux isnt that magic... well some of them tiny distros almost are lol [08:34] xubuntu don’t have 32bit? [08:35] i usually sound like a blundering idiot in here abc, thanks for taking that awayfrom me lol [08:37] abclove: 18.04 LTS is 32bit https://xubuntu.org/download [08:37] or if you want 19.04 then download the netinstall/mini iso [08:38] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/disco/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ [08:38] M_aD: ? [08:39] what do you mean of link? [08:39] read what i said [08:40] anyway, chat later, gotta go [08:44] https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2144619 i can’t slove this problem? [08:44] no one know it? [08:45] abclove: That post is about Ubuntu 13.04, been unsupported forever [08:46] but it is same for 18 or 19 [08:46] :( jeremy31 :( [08:46] abclove: how much hard drive space? [08:46] 64gb or more [08:46] 512 mb [08:46] ram [08:47] abclove: It could be that your video card isn't supported [08:48] :( [08:48] I am looking for a tool to backup postgresDBs and a few folders. any idea ? [08:48] then i can’t install ubuntu finall? [08:50] sylario: There's pg_dump to export the databse in a consistent state. Then there's rsync. Another solution is having your database data on something like LVM and to take a snapshot. [08:50] jeremy31: ? [08:50] abclove: can you even boot Ubuntu ISO? [08:51] yeah using usb. jeremy31 [08:51] abclove: Where does it quit working? [08:53] graphic initialization failed Error setting up gfxboot boot: Loading bootlogo... [08:54] jeremy31: [08:54] I just sewed on a button [08:54] abclove: what graphics card [08:54] i don’t know it [08:54] :( [08:56] vlt : I was hoping for some tool with logs and scheduling. I do not really know how rsync works [08:56] jeremy31: no idea? [08:57] abclove: I have no clue what video card you have [08:57] wait i will search it now [08:57] sylario: Scheduling can be done via cron. What info do you want to log? [08:58] sylario: rsync (like most other tools) has a man page: `man rsync`. [08:58] I was using the backup ruby gem to backup a few big rails app [08:59] but the gem stopped and they support up to ruby 2.3 [09:03] jeremy31: no idea i can’t know it [09:03] :( [09:12] could not startx : http://termbin.com/zmx0 [09:12] it worked before. [09:13] which ubuntu release is this? [09:15] is there a software for making bootable windows 2012 server iso ? [09:15] probably woeusb [09:18] hope woeusb have capacity to consist windows server bootable usb [09:19] is there www browseable content of package https://packages.ubuntu.com/en/xenial/lrzsz ? [09:19] I am interested in debian patch set [09:22] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/lrzsz/lrzsz_0.12.21-10~build0.16.04.1.debian.tar.xz contains the patches [09:22] aha no space left on root device [09:23] !crosspost | bqq [09:23] bqq: Please don't ask the same question in multiple Ubuntu channels at the same time. Many helpers are in more than one channel and it's not fair to them or the other people seeking support. [09:29] spinningCat: please don't crosspost either, thanks. [09:30] sure sorry [09:31] tomreyn: sorry I only asked in linux and this ubuntu. no other channels. I asked in linux channel first with no reply, guess i asked wrong channel then asked here [09:32] tomreyn: then i found the issue myself. [09:36] it's still peculiar, since /tmp is usually a tmpfs on ubuntu, and current ubuntu releases would store those files in /run/... rather than in /tmp [09:38] bqq: ^ this said, i'm glad you were able to solve your issue there. [09:52] I do not understand the incremental copy of rsync, it's only useful if keep all the backup? [09:56] I am wondering why linux-source relies heavily on linux-source-4.15.0 and not on the latest 5.0.0 [09:56] Because certain other programs require the original kernel of 18.04 to be compiled [10:11] I am looking at an Asus laptop with an RTL8821CE wifi card and no physical ehernet port. As all solutions to get WiFi working seem to assume an ethernet interface being present, how do I get around that and install this RTL8821CE card working in Ubuntu? [10:12] BlackDalek: Can you tether to a smart phone for internet? [10:13] jeremy31, not sure. Bluetooth is working, but there's no wifi. I will see if my phone supports tethering through bluetooh [10:13] BlackDalek: If it android, you should be able to USB tether [10:16] jeremy31, ok it has boh usb and bluetooth... I will try usb since it seems less troublesome\ [10:17] BlackDalek: If you have any issues, I would replace the realtek card with a Intel 8000 series wifi [10:18] jeremy31, ok. I have a network connection now. If I can't get wifi card working I will just replace the card. I have many spares. [10:18] thanks... bye [11:50] lubuntu == xubuntu? [11:51] or which is better for old laptop? [11:51] both are ok; i'd go with lubu (18.04) [11:51] ah [11:51] thanks :) [11:52] xubuntu sound better than lubuntu [11:52] nope [11:52] like mable super hero or xman [11:56] ioria: you can fix this problem? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2144619 [11:56] so i can’t install ubuntu now :( [11:57] ioria: ? [11:58] abclove, do you have a Toshiba NB255-250 ? [11:58] nope [11:59] another [11:59] abclove, what is ? [11:59] laptop made in 2005 [12:00] abclove, what 's the brand ? [12:00] LG [12:00] Y [12:00] LG xnote [12:02] no idea? ioria ? [12:02] abclove, read the sticker [12:02] Hey folks [12:02] what sticker? [12:02] abclove, there are a lot of LG xnote; you need to know thew exact model [12:02] I'm creating a bootable barebones ubuntu system, and I've got it processing commands in init, but I have a question about libraries. I noticed some libraries in /lib64 appear to be symlinks to gnu stuff inside /lib/.. I'm puzzled how this works. I mounted my project and copied files into /lib64 and it's fine, I also created symlinks to the libraries in /lib/.. and it still works with both chroot and booting. How is [12:02] this possible? [12:03] ioria: wait a min [12:07] if the symlinks in /mnt/lib64 point to /lib/.. shouldn't they fail when I reboot and /mnt/lib64 becomes just /lib64 and the original filesystem is gone, or is it just pointing to a different copy of libraries in /lib when I reboot (the path changes relative to root, and doens't link to any inode) [12:07] how do i allow users in a chrooted environment to change their passwords with passwd? i've already copied the files shown with ldd /usr/bin/passwd to /usr/bin. but when i try to use passwd in chroot i get the error: "passwd: Cannot determine your user name." [12:09] trackball: well my guess would be that you need more infrastructure than simply the libraries needed to run passwd [12:12] trackball: just a thought, perhaps you should pull up some references on passwd and see everything that it tries to do when you execute it (what files it looks for, etc.) then start recreating those [12:13] svendre: ok [12:25] this is the link I'm puzzled about: /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 - it appears that it'll work to change file permissions even if you remove the chmod binary, what the heck. [12:27] it seems required to even boot, so how in the world is it created as a symlink pointing to only a specific file in the first place... [12:41]