 what was this one word that means "short term-solution" more like a patch than a solution
 ?
 anwered myself, workaround
[01:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T116:  vpn connection does not ask for password ] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T116
 Hey guiverc (or someone): could you please check to make sure today's 19.10 daily doesn't boot to GNOME Shell by default? I have it on good authority that Ubuntu MATE does at least. :P
[13:46] <guiverc> ack
 Much appreciated :)
[13:47] <guiverc> (I already have ISO, just writing to media...)
 @tsimonq2 guiverc we have gnome-shell blacklisted because it happened on frbraury https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED9644dc44033391213807ea3b024353d52c4bdb9d
 so, If we don't have this problem you could tell mate to do the same.
 @HMollerCl [@tsimonq2 guiverc we have gnome-shell blacklisted because it happened on frbraur …], That's a good point
 A spot check for wackiness doesn't hurt though :P
 There could be other stuff pulled in that messes with expected behavior
[14:01] <guiverc> no gnome shell on BIOS boot; gnome-keyring, gnome-icon-theme, gnome-accessibility-themes, gnome-themes-extra etc only appear on dpkg -l |grep gnome
 and network-manager-gnome ??
[14:05] <guiverc> yeah .. I got bored typing them in... boots fine on UEFI too.
 good, nm-gnome is important.
[14:08] <Guest20506> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DFytxz9bZ8/  (19.10 live .. dpkg -l |grep gnome |pastebinit)
 (Photo, 1280x729) https://i.imgur.com/4WNU68j.jpg
 ubuntu-mate iso ^^
[14:11] <guiverc> i remember clearly the 19.04 [lubuntu] daily having it..  ~2 weeks as i recall
 yes, that's why we decided blacklist it.
[14:21] <guiverc> (wasn't two weeks, 2019-02-13 to 2019-02-17  #1815837)
[18:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf6a2c9de02e1: Add screenshot for ScreenGrab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf6a2c9de02e1
[18:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALad68609d8df3: Start customizing section of ScreenGrab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALad68609d8df3
[18:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL05c62ebc7f0d: Add Default file to save as] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL05c62ebc7f0d
[18:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1e433754e90d: Add copy to clipboard when saving field] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1e433754e90d
[18:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcdfe376de39b: Add bottom buttons] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcdfe376de39b
[19:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc7a8e90a762e: Add ScreenGrab-Main screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc7a8e90a762e
[19:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8a7013549f44: Switch screengrab into toctree] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8a7013549f44
[19:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4ab0d7ba125c: Remove old screenshot as this is no longer default] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4ab0d7ba125c
[19:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEEDe15f012c84ee: Drop fwupdate in favor of fwupd (LP: #1841744)] Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@dell.com> committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEEDe15f012c84ee
 do we have meeting now?
 or in 40 more minutes?
 Oh shoot, you're right
 Who's here?
 o/
 Can someone trigger !standup from IRC?
 I can't right now
 I can
[21:22] <kc2bez> !standup
 Hans goes first :)
[21:23] <kc2bez> I can't stay however
 Okay
 ok, not much on my side apart from ubuconla
[21:24] <lynorian> \o
[21:24] <guiverc> o/
 some small changes in update-notifier
 and this issue with nm-tray and vpn that ask for passwd https://phab.lubuntu.me/T116
[21:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] vpn connection does not ask for password: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T116
 here is upstream issue https://github.com/palinek/nm-tray/issues/44
 EOF
 Nice work!
 aa and with @The_LoudSpeaker and wxl where trying to find out this shortcut behaivour
 Right
 Okay, cool :)
 @kc2bez do you have anything since you have to go?
 Here, let me know when your like me to start
 *you'd
 @SamuelBanya [Here, let me know when your like me to start], Will do
 I'll let Dan go whenever he's ready
 lynorian: gogogo :)
[21:27] <lynorian> Ok I spellchecked the whole manual 
 NICE
[21:27] <lynorian> and then started writing most of screengrab
[21:28] <lynorian> well did spellcheck whole thing now that featherpad has spellchecking
[21:28] <lynorian> well am still on starting the customizing section of screengrab
[21:29] <lynorian> oh and on eoan wrote more things that will need updating for 19.10
 Are we going to be good to make a 19.10 branch from master on release day and switch prod over?
 How do you want that to work?
 Otherwise we were talking about a version switcher at one point, yeah?
[21:30] <lynorian> prod right now is based of 19.04
 Right
[21:30] <lynorian> branch
[21:30] <lynorian> I am making 19.10
 That's currently on the master branch, correct?
[21:30] <lynorian> yes
[21:32] <lynorian> so please don't merge master to 19.04 now
 Okay, how about I do this... I can set it up so all requests are redirected to https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/ - we can host the 19.04 branch there. We can then do https://manual.lubuntu.me/dev/ which has master and once we release 20.04 we can do https://manual.lubuntu.me/lts/
 The only thing then becomes how we do version switching
[21:32] <lynorian> ok undertood and that sounds nice
[21:33] <kc2bez> I am back for a few minutes. 
 Long term we could even make https://manual.lubuntu.me redirect to a page under lubuntu.me which would just have a simple version list that the user could select
[21:33] <lynorian> yes
 At the end of the day lynorian this is your baby, and whatever you'd like to implement I'll go with :)
 Do you want to write up some sort of actionable plan that Lubuntu sysadmin can work on? Take my words as suggestions because you have the final decision :)
[21:34] <lynorian> the landing page with version select sounds good 
[21:34] <lynorian> I do like these suggestions
 Okay, cool. Let's coordinate after the meeting
 @kc2bez: Do you want to go real quick since I know you have a time constraint?
[21:35] <kc2bez> Not much to add other than I sent out a tweet re: wallpaper contest. We have been getting a few submissions following that. 
[21:35] <wxl> o/
 Okay, nice! Anything else Dan?
[21:36] <kc2bez> Hopefully back at it later this week or weekend. 
[21:36] <kc2bez> that is it for me. thanks. 
 Sounds good, take your time. We aren't going anywhere :)
 Thanks for your work, both Dan and Lyn :)
 I think guiverc was next?
[21:37] <guiverc> Only thing to report is i'm having bad pain problems which impact concenentration so achieving little.  In 3rd week of this so i'll be more forgetful, and this may remain awhile.  I'm good for 5-15 min tasks, but longer quality drops, and returning to tasks I tend not to remember much & have to start again.
[21:37] <wxl> feel better, guiverc 
 I wish you the best guiverc
 Thanks for your testing work recently
 @SamuelBanya did you want to go?
[21:39] <lynorian> I hope you feel better guiverc
 BRB, getting my Yubikey so I can hop on IRC...
 uff, take care guiverc
 o/
 Let me know when you'd like me to speak. Don't have much tho. Been mostly ill.
[21:42] <tsimonq2> Okay.
[21:42] <tsimonq2> I think wxl goes now.
[21:43] <tsimonq2> wxl: Bueller?
[21:44] <tsimonq2> Let's let @The_LoudSpeaker go then.
 Oh missed my spot. Yeah ping me again later sorry about that
 Yeah. So: … Tasks: Reopened T59.  … I think we have a fix. Thanks to wxl . He came in like a knight in shining armour that day and noticed the /usr/ config file.
 Will close the task this weekend.
 phab.lubunut.me
 Oops!
 Anyways. Other than that, I haven't been able to understand what wxl said about xscreensaver. Gotta read again and ask him again.
 About the grub-theme. Reading grub 2 documentation to understand how to put a script in /etc/default/grub.d
 Will have to add it via rDEFAULTSETTINGS.
 A new folder will be created.
 It's okay right to add it via rDEFAULTSETTINGS?
[21:49] <tsimonq2> With the GRUB theme, I'd argue that it should go in the artwork repository.
 While the config goes there. The original theme would go to rARTWORK.
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> With the GRUB theme, I'd argue that it should go in the artwork repos …], Yeah. The theme files would go to artwork. But the config script which exits the /etc/default/grub will go to rDEFAULTSETTINGS.
 Makes sense?
 phab.lubuntu.me/T30
 Also, shoot me up with next tasks. Like T99.
[21:52] <tsimonq2> We can discuss after the meeting, but the config should be associated with the files it's installing. :P
 Miscellaneous: … Got a couple of friends sign up for the wallpaper theme. Hope they send entries before 4th. Some of them already did.
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> We can discuss after the meeting, but the config should be associated …], Sure!
 That's all from me.
[21:54] <tsimonq2> Okay, cool.
[21:54] <tsimonq2> Anyone else?
 @SamuelBanya
 Hey thanks man
 It's been a while since I have had stomach surgery three weeks ago and am super out of the loop. I remember trying the iso tester but not really getting far with it. If there are some basic support level tickets that need to be handled or something easy, let me know and I'd like to work on something to help out the team.
[21:56] <tsimonq2> Okay, sounds good, thanks for your interest.
[21:56] <tsimonq2> Get well soon!
[21:57] <tsimonq2> I'll paste my stuff now.
[21:57] <tsimonq2>  - I start school this upcoming Tuesday. This means that you will see me more spontaneously, and at times I might get my phone taken away when I'm at school. I have one semester left of this hell^M^Mhigh school before I get to college, so it'll be the last point at which I'll really be completely spontaneous.
[21:57] <tsimonq2>  - Worked on getting Qt 4 axed, the plan is to get it out of the archive by 20.04's release at the very latest. Last I heard from @RikMills, KDE 4 is now out of the archive, now it's just a matter of thwacking the rest.
[21:57] <tsimonq2>  - Recovering 2FA on my end since Authy decided to not let me into my account after I reflashed my phone. Sigh. I'll have to follow up with their support team.
[21:57] <tsimonq2>  - I sponsored the update notifier, but it was rejected because of license issues. Hans said he fixed them, I'll have to take a look again.
[21:57] <tsimonq2>  - Coming up: September 12th is UI freeze, September 19th is Documentation String freeze, September 26th is the Beta, October 3rd is the translation deadline, October 10th is the RC, and October 17th is release day. Let's keep it going and get what we need to get in done! https://phab.lubuntu.me/T41 is the master task, please try to get your stuff done ASAP. Remember, a quiet release week is a 
[21:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Wishlist, Open] Lubuntu 19.10: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T41
[21:57] <tsimonq2> good release week. Test early and often. :)
[21:57] <tsimonq2> Not much else from me.
[21:58] <tsimonq2> Let's see, @The_LoudSpeaker, @kc2bez, guiverc, @Guephren, and wxl all have blocker tasks open. Let's get 'er done. :)
[21:59] <tsimonq2> If you have any questions, let me know.
[21:59] <tsimonq2> AOB?
[21:59] <lynorian> oh wow new version of noblenote in eoan
[21:59] <tsimonq2> Isn't that Qt 4? hmm
[21:59] <tsimonq2> Do we still ship that??
[21:59] <lynorian> doesn't seem like it
[22:00] <lynorian> yes we still do
[22:00] <lynorian> not qt4
[22:00] <tsimonq2> Oh yeah? Interesting.
[22:00] <tsimonq2> Cool.
[22:00] <lynorian> was qt4 in 19.04
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> Let's see, @The_LoudSpeaker, @kc2bez, guiverc, @Guephren, and wxl all …], What are blocker tasks?
[22:01] <lynorian> and now it is not ugly
[22:01] <tsimonq2> Nice to see it was ported.
[22:01] <tsimonq2> XD
 @Guephren [What are blocker tasks?], All subtasks of https://phab.lubuntu.me/T41
[22:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Wishlist, Open] Lubuntu 19.10: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T41
 Looks like your task is https://phab.lubuntu.me/T75
[22:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] need new Lenny!: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T75
 Looks like we have two potential Lenny designs. Looks like you and @JyotiGomes will have to battle XD
[22:02] <tsimonq2> Anyway, I think that's all.
[22:02] <tsimonq2> Great work everyone, as always. :)
[22:03] <tsimonq2> Of course, if you want to follow up with anything from the meeting, you're more than welcome to.
[22:03] <tsimonq2> OH, and we're starting to package Qt 6.
[22:03] <tsimonq2> I have PPAs ready to go with the CI.
[22:04] <tsimonq2> With the goal being "sometime around the first Qt 6 release" I'd like to see if we can work on porting LXQt. I've heard that Qt 5 -> Qt 6 porting will be much, much easier than Qt 4 -> Qt 5.
[22:05] <tsimonq2> I'll admit it's ambitious, but we'll see how it looks.
 @tsimonq2 [Looks like we have two potential Lenny designs. Looks like you and @JyotiGomes w …], I don't battle! I am ok with both his and my option, so y'all can choose whichever you want.
[22:05] <tsimonq2> I was joking :D
 Forgive me my little activity, but I am with the family far from home, when September arrives I will possibly return to my normal activity.  I was testing fcitx configurations with some languages
 *Hides swords*
[22:06] <tsimonq2> Sounds good @N0um3n0, thanks for your work!
 Thanks and sorry ;)
[22:07] <tsimonq2> It's okay :)
[22:07] <tsimonq2> We're all volunteers.
[22:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rART6cd79f1519e3: Fix version number to be consistent with the release name.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rART6cd79f1519e3
[22:11] <lynorian> tsimonq2 I also will not be around this weekend am taking a few days off after a few contigous months 
[22:12] <tsimonq2> Well deserved lynorian :)
[22:12] <tsimonq2> Let me know if you need anything.
[22:12] <tsimonq2> We really do appreciate your work.
[22:12] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Did you want to tackle this versioning scheme before or after your vac?
[22:13] <lynorian> I kind of want after if that is ok with you
[22:13] <tsimonq2> Sounds good to me. When do you plan on returning?
 @tsimonq2 I would like that you have a look at lubuntu-grub-theme package from the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~theloudspeaker/+archive/ubuntu/lubuntu-grub-theme-devel
 If you notice, there's a postinst
 File
 Which edits the /etc/default/grub file.
 And runs update-grub
 But since during installation, grub is Installed the last, and there's no /etc/default/grub available when theme is Installed, the installation of theme here should be done in two parts. First copy the required files to /boot/grub/themes/  … Second, add a script under /etc/default/grub.d/ … The second step's where rDEFAULTSETT
 But wait. I have an idea. What if I added that script in the package itself? We won't have to add anything to artwork or defaultsettings, just have to install the package normally. Do you think you can add the package from my ppa to default repos? If only installing the package during installation does the job?
 Whatever changes I have to make to rDEFAULTSETTINGS can be done via the postinst file I am speaking about.
 ^ @tsimonq2  wxl:
[22:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T30: Theme GRUB] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30#2270
[23:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> I just tested what I wanted to test. voila! plan works. but I have an exam today so won't be able to update to the ppa. will do by the weekend.
[23:53] <wxl> sorry everyone. it's been super busy both at home and at work, so i've been out of the loop entirely, really.
[23:58] <kc2bez> same here wxl