| * duflu spies Intel 10th gen CPUs in bug reports from OEM people and gets excited | 02:46 | |
| duflu | Jet lagged jamesh? | 04:17 |
|---|---|---|
| duflu | Or flying out soon? | 04:17 |
| jamesh | flying home later today | 04:23 |
| jamesh | and apparently with a 7.5 hour layover in Doha :-( | 04:24 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 05:38 |
| duflu | Morning oSoMoN | 05:39 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 05:42 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:46 |
| jibel | hi didrocks | 05:53 |
| duflu | Morning didrocks | 05:53 |
| duflu | and good morning jibel | 05:53 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks, jibel | 05:53 |
| jibel | hi all | 05:53 |
| didrocks | hey jibel, duflu, oSoMoN | 05:55 |
| clobrano | good morning 0/ | 06:25 |
| didrocks | hey clobrano | 06:31 |
| ricotz | good morning desktoppers | 06:31 |
| oSoMoN | good morning clobrano, ricotz | 06:31 |
| didrocks | hey ricotz | 06:31 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, didrocks, hey | 06:31 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, hi, is there some reasoning for switching to clang for ff69? | 06:33 |
| oSoMoN | ricotz, yes, the ppc64el builds would fail or fail to run in all sorts of ways with gcc | 06:34 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, does this correspond to the build policy between mozilla and canonical? | 06:34 |
| oSoMoN | I would have preferred to anticipate that and do the switch in the beta branches | 06:34 |
| oSoMoN | ricotz, also clang is used by upstream to produce official builds, so this better aligns with them | 06:35 |
| ricotz | I see, and yes, switching it now it quite something | 06:35 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, still the changelog must provide some information about why doing this | 06:37 |
| ricotz | or some bug report | 06:37 |
| ricotz | did you try to build it with llvm-9 on eaon yet? | 06:37 |
| oSoMoN | not yet, no | 06:38 |
| oSoMoN | ricotz, your help is welcome if you want to test that | 06:39 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, hmm, I can follow this with 70, but as you said it is a quite late invasive change for 69 | 06:39 |
| duflu | Morning ricotz | 06:45 |
| ricotz | hey duflu | 06:45 |
| Wimpress | Morning o/ | 06:55 |
| oSoMoN | hey Wimpress | 06:56 |
| === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski | ||
| jibel | is night mode gone from gnome-shell? | 07:04 |
| jibel | I'm stuck with a red-ish display | 07:04 |
| duflu | jibel, sometimes colour profiles stick. Try just toggling the colour profile in settings | 07:06 |
| jibel | duflu, I've no color profile | 07:06 |
| duflu | And if you don't need one then delete the default, which fixes a bug | 07:06 |
| jibel | duflu, there use to be a mode to shift to red based on time of the day | 07:07 |
| jibel | duflu, and I'm block in night mode | 07:07 |
| seb128 | goood morning desktopers | 07:07 |
| duflu | Morning seb128 | 07:07 |
| oSoMoN | good morning seb128 | 07:07 |
| seb128 | the night mode is in the display settings panel | 07:08 |
| duflu | jibel, I can't find the setting. Might just be gnome-control-center though. To fix it you might need to hack gsettings | 07:08 |
| seb128 | it's in the control center yes | 07:08 |
| duflu | seb128, not in 3.33 | 07:08 |
| seb128 | it's a page in display | 07:09 |
| duflu | For at least two of us | 07:09 |
| duflu | Nope | 07:09 |
| seb128 | well it is | 07:10 |
| seb128 | maybe it's not working for you | 07:10 |
| seb128 | but by design/code that's where it's supposed to be | 07:10 |
| duflu | Probably the feature still exists, but the GUI is strangely gone | 07:10 |
| seb128 | it was moved in https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/commit/50be7b13c | 07:10 |
| duflu | Ah! Bad design | 07:11 |
| seb128 | it's supposed to be a row on the page | 07:11 |
| duflu | jibel, it was moved to a button in the titlebar | 07:11 |
| duflu | No wonder we couldn't find it | 07:11 |
| seb128 | that | 07:12 |
| RAOF | Oooooh. | 07:12 |
| RAOF | My screen blanks each time the AMD gpu gets (temporarily) turned on! | 07:12 |
| seb128 | hey RAOF | 07:12 |
| * RAOF notices this because opening the Display tab causes the discrete GPU to be turned on. | 07:12 | |
| RAOF | Hey seb128! | 07:12 |
| duflu | I don't consider the titlebar "in a page" | 07:13 |
| duflu | Plus the colour makes it less obvious | 07:13 |
| seb128 | is it better in Adwaita? | 07:14 |
| seb128 | could be a theme problem... | 07:14 |
| duflu | Not sure, but that wouldn't move it | 07:14 |
| seb128 | right, but that is not a new problem | 07:14 |
| seb128 | even fileselector widgets have actions in the tittlebar | 07:14 |
| seb128 | I don't like that design decision of GNOME either... | 07:15 |
| duflu | seb128, I think the problem is more g-c-c-specific. If you select a panel then you don't expect the contents of that panel to be outside of it | 07:27 |
| seb128 | duflu, you should open a bug on gitlab as design feedback | 07:28 |
| duflu | seb128, design bugs are hard and slow, but more to the point I already had a heated discussion with its author yesterday | 07:28 |
| duflu | So no more comments for a while | 07:28 |
| seb128 | :( | 07:29 |
| seb128 | George again? | 07:29 |
| seb128 | was it on gitlab/about the revert? | 07:29 |
| duflu | No, not related | 07:29 |
| duflu | They are keen to land geometric-picking but apparently intend to rewrite it. Just never said so in the MR | 07:29 |
| duflu | And still haven't said so publically | 07:29 |
| duflu | So I just ended up saying, yeah fine | 07:30 |
| duflu | Or publicly | 07:30 |
| duflu | In better news, mutter 3.33.91 brings one frame lower output latency to Xorg, as well as lower input latency for touchpad scrolling | 07:35 |
| duflu | Feels good, but there's more yet to land for smoother rendering | 07:36 |
| seb128 | lut oSoMoN, désolé j'ai oublié de répondre avec les discussions, en forme ? :) | 07:37 |
| seb128 | duflu, getting there! slow, but still :) | 07:37 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, ça va, hâte d’être en vacances et encore 10000 trucs à faire avant | 07:42 |
| oSoMoN | et toi? | 07:42 |
| seb128 | un peu pareil :) | 07:42 |
| jibel | duflu, thanks. I didn't see it at all. buttons in the title bar are really a bad choice | 07:46 |
| jibel | however the feature is broken somehow. enabling/disabling it doesn't change the color and my display is still red | 07:47 |
| jibel | août 29 09:48:01 sark gsd-color[21255]: could not find device: property match 'XRANDR_name'='HDMI-0' does not exist | 07:48 |
| jibel | août 29 09:48:01 sark gsd-color[21255]: could not find device: property match 'XRANDR_name'='HDMI-0' does not exist | 07:48 |
| jibel | I suppose this is why | 07:48 |
| * jibel files a bug | 07:48 | |
| seb128 | file it upstream please | 07:49 |
| seb128 | we don't have anyone downstream to deal with that atm I think | 07:49 |
| jibel | I cannot adjust the system volume in gnome-control-center, there is no cursor on the slider. Is anyone else seeing that? | 07:56 |
| duflu | jibel, yeah it's broken. Needs a bug. Though the shell menu works | 07:57 |
| jibel | I'll file a bug for that too | 07:58 |
| willcooke | morning | 07:58 |
| duflu | jibel, actually for me that's because sound isn't working | 07:59 |
| duflu | I can select the device though | 07:59 |
| duflu | Morning willcooke | 07:59 |
| Laney | hello | 08:00 |
| duflu | Hi Laney | 08:01 |
| Laney | hi duflu | 08:06 |
| Laney | seb128: did you see https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg ? | 08:07 |
| Laney | umm https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg | 08:07 |
| seb128 | Laney, yes, doko commented about it on the rygel MIR, thx | 08:08 |
| Laney | cool | 08:08 |
| ricotz | seb128, hi :), how is it going with vala 0.46? | 08:15 |
| ricotz | Laney, hey | 08:15 |
| Laney | hi ricotz | 08:17 |
| seb128 | ricotz, hey, we got busy getting the main part of the desktop updated and missed feature freeze, we would need a ffe now | 08:17 |
| seb128 | also I'm on holidays tonight for a week so probably not something I'm going to be able to help with until I'm back | 08:17 |
| ricotz | seb128, I see, too bad, I am hoping for it getting into eoan | 08:18 |
| seb128 | you could file the ffe :) | 08:18 |
| ricotz | seb128, this would lead to a lot of work :( | 08:21 |
| seb128 | the ffe bug? it's only a few lines of rational, you have a test rebuild ppa ready | 08:22 |
| ricotz | time which is better invested upstream | 08:22 |
| seb128 | k, as you prefer | 08:22 |
| ricotz | the ppa is outdated already, I guess | 08:22 |
| seb128 | we will likely not have 0.46 this cycle is no-one is wanting to help with it though | 08:22 |
| seb128 | right but it gives an indication | 08:22 |
| ricotz | with work, I mean fixing those those failures for ancient packages | 08:23 |
| seb128 | yeah, well it's the deal if we want to update | 08:24 |
| ricotz | correct | 08:26 |
| ginggs | did something break unity desktop yesterday? | 09:30 |
| seb128 | specifics? | 09:31 |
| willcooke | On E? L_aney commented on discourse that it's likely related to the systemd work | 09:51 |
| ginggs | yes, on eoan. k_alam asked yesterday "There is some issue with recent gnome-session update, if I try to update, it tries to uninstall unity-session ?" | 10:06 |
| ginggs | my unity-session didn't get removed, but whenever I try to log in, the screen goes blank, and after a few seconds I end up at the login screen again | 10:07 |
| seb128 | ginggs, see https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/testing-unity-session-in-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/10690/64 | 10:10 |
| seb128 | L_aney uploaded a fix now it | 10:10 |
| ginggs | seb128: thank you! | 10:11 |
| seb128 | Laney, no upload on eoan-changes/launchpad, in case it failed to upload and you didn't notice | 10:11 |
| seb128 | (worked now) | 10:22 |
| Laney | I'm having some connection issues with the Canonical network | 10:23 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: hey, did you try to new Shell with the "autohide" behavior for the dock? I wonder if this is what is making it crashing | 10:56 |
| didrocks | I have weird "push here" behavior (like the dock is hiding/showing/hiding/showing very quickly) | 10:56 |
| didrocks | so, there is at least this bug | 10:57 |
| didrocks | and I'm unsure if the crash is related or not yet | 10:57 |
| didrocks | (apport is collecting the trace) | 10:57 |
| seb128 | let me try to turn that on, I've been on the new stack since before GUADEC and got 0 crash here | 10:57 |
| didrocks | seb128: not 100% hit | 10:57 |
| seb128 | (but also intel where I expect you have nvidia?) | 10:57 |
| didrocks | yep | 10:57 |
| didrocks | at least the "autohide bug" shouldn't be (or would it?) card-specific | 10:58 |
| didrocks | but right now, the dock is showing up properly :/ | 10:58 |
| didrocks | oh, I have 2 monitors now that I'm back home | 10:58 |
| didrocks | and the dock is between the 2 monitors | 10:58 |
| didrocks | maybe that's what triggering the issue | 10:58 |
| didrocks | (but again, can't get back the "show" bug that I already got 3 times) | 10:59 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: seb128: I subscribed you both on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1841921, let's see once retraced | 11:02 |
| ubot5 | Error: launchpad bug 1841921 not found | 11:02 |
| didrocks | "503 (Service Unavailable). Failed to subscribe Marco Trevisan (Treviño)." I see how some people are doing on their bug strategy :p | 11:02 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thx, autohide on single screen and no segfault so far here | 11:03 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, didn't get a new one either, but 3 in a raw is concerning | 11:04 |
| didrocks | and my setup didn't change: 2 monitors, dock in between since the crash :p | 11:04 |
| didrocks | at least, we have a stracktrace, let's see once retraced | 11:04 |
| didrocks | and once launchpad will let me subcribe Trevinho to the bug… | 11:05 |
| Trevinho | Ahahaha.... Bugwalled! | 11:07 |
| * didrocks checks launchpad commits from Trevinho | 11:08 | |
| didrocks | ahhhhhhhhhhhh, you are now subscribed, mwahahahahaha | 11:10 |
| seb128 | hey Trevinho, did you have a safe trip back? | 11:10 |
| didrocks | lalala, crash again :/ | 11:13 |
| didrocks | seems definitively related to revealing the dock | 11:14 |
| Trevinho | seb128: yes, got home quite late (3am) as there was half hour delay and I had to drive one hour to get home (and thank God I took the car or I would have been stuck in the airport or forced to taxi to an hotel) | 11:14 |
| * didrocks turns autohide off for now | 11:14 | |
| Trevinho | so I swapped today to help dayana in her last full day here | 11:14 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: waow, 3am, was it scheduled like that or you got delayed? | 11:15 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, stop being on the computer then :) | 11:16 |
| didrocks | so, duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1841794 | 11:18 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1841794 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in g_log_default_handler() ... from ObjectInstance::~ObjectInstance() [usually logging "Finalizing wrapper for an already freed object of type: Clutter.PropertyTransition"]" [Medium,Confirmed] | 11:18 |
| didrocks | (and already 3 duplicates) | 11:18 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: was 00.35, then luggage, delay + car home from Bologna to Florence | 11:18 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: ah, from Bologna… yeah, that explains | 11:18 |
| didrocks | take some rest! :) | 11:18 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: yeah direct flights were only by Ryanair in Italy so I preferred to move to get the fight than doing changes and pay a flight to Greece 500€ | 11:25 |
| didrocks | make sense | 11:29 |
| didrocks | hum, no more repeated key with my integrated volume up/down key on my keyboard | 11:30 |
| didrocks | (long press -> only one tick) | 11:30 |
| didrocks | seb128: do you reproduce this as well? ^ (keep volume up pressed for instance, I just have one volume increase) | 11:31 |
| Laney | nope, works for me | 11:32 |
| didrocks | doesn't on my internal & external keyboard (only for volume, works for brightness) | 11:32 |
| seb128 | didrocks, key repeat doesn't work for me either | 11:34 |
| seb128 | Laney, you and your wayland session :p | 11:34 |
| didrocks | cking: thanks for answering! That was my bet, but I preferred getting an authoritative answer | 11:34 |
| cking | didrocks, no problem :-) | 11:35 |
| Laney | could be | 11:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, Laney, key repeat works (and play sounds which I think it didn't do before) when under wayland | 11:36 |
| seb128 | also I got the segfault playing a bit with the dock on autohide between monitors | 11:36 |
| didrocks | ok, so xorg-specific, let me file a bug | 11:36 |
| seb128 | so no nvidia specific | 11:36 |
| seb128 | upstream please :) | 11:36 |
| didrocks | sure | 11:36 |
| seb128 | thx | 11:37 |
| didrocks | but still one on our side for tracking? | 11:37 |
| seb128 | if you believe it's rls-ee material sure, otherwise unsure it's very useful | 11:38 |
| seb128 | but doesn't hurt either | 11:38 |
| seb128 | the segfault seems to happen easily when playing with the dock and doing some dnd of icons when e.g nautilus is over it | 11:39 |
| didrocks | yeah, seeing that we got 1 bug + 3 duplicates in one day, sounds like it will be popular | 11:40 |
| seb128 | it's a real bug, I can't trigger it in single monitor | 11:41 |
| didrocks | which explains why I didn't see it either before getting back home | 11:42 |
| seb128 | likely one for Trevinho once he's back to work, tomorrow or next week | 11:43 |
| seb128 | Laney, thx for upstreaming that gcc sound issue :-) | 12:18 |
| Laney | np | 12:19 |
| Wimpress | Afternoon Laney. | 13:04 |
| Wimpress | Th Ubuntu MATE 19.10 daily image is exhibiting an interesting feature. | 13:04 |
| Wimpress | It boots GNOME Shell. | 13:04 |
| seb128 | wooot | 13:05 |
| seb128 | is it loading in french at least? ;) | 13:06 |
| Wimpress | I know you've all just been to GUADEC and are feeling super enthusiatic, but... ;-) | 13:06 |
| Laney | have you done some investigation that led you to ping me? | 13:06 |
| seb128 | give it at least a few days before jugging if you like it or not! | 13:07 |
| Laney | Probably some dependency change | 13:09 |
| Wimpress | GNOME Shell is being pulled in via update-notifier, which is seeded by Ubuntu MATE. | 13:09 |
| Wimpress | update-notifier Recommends: gnome-shell | notification-daemon | 13:10 |
| Wimpress | mate-notification-daemon Provides: notification-daemon. | 13:10 |
| Wimpress | It's been that way for years. | 13:10 |
| Laney | Something must have changed. | 13:11 |
| Wimpress | in the last 24 hours, GNOME Shell is now pulled in to Ubuntu MATE. | 13:11 |
| Laney | There are multiple chains, that's not going to be the oen. | 13:11 |
| Laney | one. | 13:11 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, does 'aptitude why gnome-shell' is helpful? | 13:12 |
| Wimpress | Yeah, that ^ is what led me to update-notifier. | 13:13 |
| Wimpress | I was just asking in case it prompted anything regarding system and user session. | 13:13 |
| Wimpress | Clearly not, I'll go hunting... | 13:13 |
| Wimpress | *systemd and user session | 13:14 |
| Laney | You shouldn't have gnome-shell on the ISO, that's orthogonal to the systemd stuff | 13:14 |
| Laney | it'll be a packaging level thing | 13:14 |
| RikMills | Wimpress: kylin mentioned the same thing the other day. i.e. gnome-shell getting pulled in | 13:14 |
| seb128 | update-notifier didn't change since aug 1st | 13:15 |
| seb128 | so not likely it | 13:15 |
| RikMills | * Chose ubuntu-session to satisfy gnome-shell | 13:16 |
| RikMills | * Chose gnome-shell to satisfy libnotify4 | 13:16 |
| RikMills | ^^ from kylins germninate | 13:16 |
| Wimpress | RikMills: Thanks. I'll take a look. | 13:22 |
| Laney | Good luck /o\ | 13:25 |
| Laney | Wimpress: had a look and I can't immediately see what's going on | 14:12 |
| Laney | it does look like it's pulling gnome-shell due to libnotify4, but mate-notification-daemon ought to be satisfying that recommends too, so I'm not quite sure | 14:14 |
| Wimpress | Laney: Yeah, I'm just testing what happends if I add libnotify4 to the Ubuntu MATE core seed and meta packages. | 14:49 |
| Wimpress | This germinate output is also "interesting" | 14:50 |
| Wimpress | * Chose gnome-shell to satisfy screen-resolution-extra | 14:50 |
| * oSoMoN logs off for 10 days, see ya all in a while! | 16:14 | |
| didrocks | see you oSoMoN | 16:15 |
| === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|afk | ||
| willcooke | night all | 18:17 |
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