[00:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: ack
[16:21] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I'm leaning toward invalidating bug 1841746 since it very much seems like a support request, and it's nearly impossible for a metapackage to have a bug like that being described. Basically, it needs to be narrowed-down, since the meta is too broad.
[16:22] <Eickmeyer> As for bug 1839182, perhaps that's a bug in tk/tcl?
 > division by zero
 can we somehow blame Simon for this 😜
[17:04] <Eickmeyer> @teward001 Absolutely. Only tsimonq2 can cause the universe to implode like that.
[17:06] <OvenWerks> yup bug... three of them actually.
[17:07] <OvenWerks> well maybe only two
[17:12] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: So, what are we looking at for 1841746?
[17:14] <OvenWerks> I have asked for more information
[17:15] <OvenWerks> until the user answers I don't know
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> And for 1839182, should we reassign to tk/tcl or is it definitely an issue with -installer?
[17:16] <OvenWerks> he did say that the fix button wasn't available meaning jack was correctly installed.
[17:18] <OvenWerks> 182 is an installer problem. the possibility of that being zero should be checked for. both in the place listed and a few lines up? (or is that down?)
[17:18] <OvenWerks> anyway there are two of them
[17:19] <OvenWerks> I have to first figgure out what they are doing because they down't look right logically either... but because they work I probably just don't know what they are trying to do. The problem would likely be there no matter of it was tcl, python, perl or c++
[17:20] <Eickmeyer> Ok, so definitely a bug in -installler. Then I'll leave it as-is.
[17:20] <OvenWerks> From a first glance it looks like the progress bar should be going down instead of up :P
[17:21] <Eickmeyer> He did respond in 1841746, and I reiterated the question you asked about running ubuntustudio-controls again. No response so far to that.
[17:22] <OvenWerks> So obviously I don't know what the numbers are. I thought they were *% numbers but that doesn't make sense
[17:23] <OvenWerks> yes but he had answered or at least given me the information I had hoped to get the questions I asked
[17:28] <OvenWerks> There was no "fix" button to press, so it did not need it.
[17:37] <Eickmeyer> Ok
[17:39] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: do you remember when running installer if the process bar stops after downloading and then jumps when it start setting the packages up and then sits till the end?
[17:39] <Eickmeyer> I don't remember that clearly. I'd have to play with it.
[17:39] <OvenWerks> (thats what the code looks like)
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: With your latest comment on bug 1841746, I'm guessing that bug is a support request more than anything else. Agree?
[19:50] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: if there is one of our packages either by installing or by running that causes this problem, it is a bug.
[19:51] <OvenWerks> IE if installing ubuntustudio-performance-tweaks without lowlatency causes a problem then depends needs to change
[19:52] <OvenWerks> if running jack, zita-ajbridge, etc. causes the DE to stall or not start we need to know.
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> Here's the seed for -audio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gXJGrVtk85/ 
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> There is absolutely nothing there that can cause this.
[20:06] <Eickmeyer> The only thing in -performance-tweaks could be the timer perms.
[20:07] <OvenWerks> Oh, the actual package the bug belongs to is not yet established
[20:07] <OvenWerks> it could also be the extra codecs from audio-core for all I know (or their lack?)
[20:08] <OvenWerks> none of those things are running at session start
[20:08] <OvenWerks> and things in */autostart should not be starting till after the DE has already started
[20:09] <OvenWerks> Normally if the DE has started and then part of it dies, the crash box comes up and asks if you want to send a bug
[20:10] <OvenWerks> if that doesn't happen, it would seem it should be the WM that didn't start
[20:11] <OvenWerks> if the WM doesn't start, I would expect the user to end up back in the login screen
[20:11] <OvenWerks> unless... systemd changes this
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> No, systemd doesn't manage that at all. That's all the DM.
[20:20] <OvenWerks> So we have the problem, we need the relevent logfiles from a prooer bug report but the user can't provide such a bug report because the system hangs
[20:20] <OvenWerks> So we have to trouble shoot the old fashioned way :P
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yes, we need to get them into the proper support channel. Problem is, this is not a bug until it is determined to actually be a bug, whether perceived or not. Right now, the bug report is invalid since he didn't even have -performance-tweaks installed.
[20:44] <Eickmeyer> It's a support request until it's determined to be a bug, which is not how Launchpad works. Bug reports should only be bug reports once they are determined to actually be a bug.
[20:46] <Eickmeyer> So, after all the troubleshooting steps have been done and the bug is found, then it needs to be a bug report, not before.
[20:48] <Eickmeyer> Also, considering the thousands of people running Ubuntu (and our metas) on Dell XPS 13s without issue, I'm inclined to believe this is a home directory configuration problem.
[21:26] <OvenWerks> Ga, the math is all wrong in installer. What was I thinking?
[21:29] <Eickmeyer> At least we're at a good time in the cycle for bug fixes.
[21:44] <OvenWerks> It is uploaded but I can't test it without first installing another flavour to test it on :)
[21:44] <OvenWerks> so don't release it till I test.
[21:45] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ^
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ack
[21:46]  * OvenWerks is zsyncing kubuntu...
[21:47] <OvenWerks> 74.4% :P
[21:56] <Eickmeyer> I've seen worse (had 50% the other day on the seed file).
[22:00]  * tsimonq2 salts Eickmeyer 
[22:37]  * Eickmeyer peppers tsimonq2